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Verizon Makes 4G LTE a “Hard” Requirement for All Future Smartphones

The chances of anyone seeing a newly released smartphone on Verizon going forward without a 4G LTE radio inside are slim. According to Big Red, they have made LTE a “hard” requirement for “all” smartphones, other than push-to-talk devices which will remain 3G-only for the time being.

VZW also said that they are on schedule to complete their nationwide LTE infrastructure by the end of 2013.

Via:  CNET

  • Anonymous

    dumbphones included I would expect as well….

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  • Anonymous

    Does this also mean every verizon smartphone will be a 4.3″ or 4.5″ behemoth? Cause that’s not necessarily a good thing.

    • Deltaechoe

      I honestly love the big screens, it’s easier for my horrible computer eyes to handle

  • PSU_DI

    Verizon is only doing this because the last round of 3G smartphones that were released failed to sell well.  The Inc2, the rhyme, Xperia Play, & droid 3 all had poor sales records and proved very hard to move, mainly because they were looked at by consumers as second rate devices.   The only 3g phone that has sold well recently is the iphone 4 & 4s 

    • http://twitter.com/chqueed charles rogers

      Play would have had a shot with me, if it hadn’t had such mediocre (at best) specs. I’m still sad about it.

      • Josh Groff

        Pairing a sixaxis works just as well if not better.

    • Michael Forte

      Yeah because half the people buying iPhones actually think they’re 4G…

    • Anonymous

      They spend all their marketing dollars on 4g phones. I don’t ever remember ever seeing an ad for the Inc 2 anywhere. Naturally they won’t sell as many.

    • http://twitter.com/starnovsky Stan Tarnovsky

      No, I think Verizon is just planning to gradually phase out EVDO in favor of LTE. I think EVDO will live for another few years, but I don’t see why Verizon would be supporting two networks in parallel in a long run.

  • Glen E Ston

    LTE is fast, new tech but i believe its somewhat un-needed and going to be just as much a problem for customers as CDMA currently is. We should be able to grab an unlocked phone and use it on any network in the US. HSPA+ gets really nice network speeds, Just adopt that as standard.

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think Verizon will adopt HSPA+ when other companies are adopting LTE. Just out of curiosity, do you have a 4G phone? While I don’t think that 40 Mbs is completely necessary it really helps for a seamless experience and really enhances the cloud services and streaming that the market is leaning towards.

      • Josh Groff

        Yeah, because 3G can’t stream music almost effortlessly…

        I will agree that faster up/download would be beast for clouding. Especially cloud gaming.

    • Josh Groff

      HSPA+ has decent battery life, and since service in my area is just a tad over 3G anyway, it’s pretty good.

      • Anonymous

        HSPA+ and AT&T in general has failed to impress me ever with there service. My friend has the latest, greatest Skyrocket and still has to stand in certain places in his house to get service. His house is less than a mile from the biggest highway in America and about 15 minutes outside America’s 4th largest city. I get a great LTE signal in the same house.

        • Josh Groff

          I have t-mobile, use WiFi more than anything else because I have dual band N routers at home and work. Since I rarely travel, the WiFi calling is a great option for me, and a $70 bill after taxes doesn’t hurt. :)

    • PSU_DI

      Almost every major carrier in the world is moving toward LTE and LTE-Advanced.  Right now LTE is strictly used for Data but after VZW finishes building the LTE network out fully, they will be move voice over to it using VOIP, which will save them a ton of spectrum and money, then they will slowly retire CDMA completely.  
      The major problem with LTE right now is that every carrier is choosing there own incompatible frequency to operate at which is why we end up with limited choices to the phones available.  Hopefully companies like Qualcomm will end up creating cell chips that will work on all bands of LTE, if that happens then we’ll slowly be able to get out of carrier locked phones in the US.

    • Anonymous

      HSPA+ is not 4G.

      • Anonymous

        Neither is LTE.

        • Anonymous

          LTE is a step closer.  It is on the path to “true 4G” which once verizon gets LTE covered, and working all the time…lol, they will push it to Advanced-LTE which has VOLTE (VOIP) service and the bandwidth to handle “true 4G”.  HSPA+ is not on a path to “true 4G”.  But this probably won’t happen until 2020.

        • Deltaechoe

          Incorrect, the standards for 4g were revised last year or late 2010 I believe.  LTE does meet the revised standards and the wikipedia page about 4g is out of date

    • http://twitter.com/starnovsky Stan Tarnovsky

      HSPA+ is yesterday’s tech and even AT&T is moving away from it and starting to adopt LTE.
      In my understanding HSPA+ theoretical speeds are high, but throughput is a way lower than LTE, so when you have many phones connecting to the same tower the speed degrades.

  • Anthony Palumbo

    you know i had a thought today….i think we should be able to order phones like a laptop or car… pick you own options type deal… it couldnt be that hard in the future… and like those manufacturers pay more for vanilla os. how great would it be to pair a nexus with a keyboard any screen we wanted GLOBAL capabilities and a nfc chip

    • http://twitter.com/shaneplawson Shane Lawson

      Amen +1

    • Anonymous

      +1. wanted that since the OG

    • http://twitter.com/havens1515 Randy

      The only problem with that idea is FCC regulations. All of these phones have to pass through the FCC before being released, so I doubt you could make one on the fly like that. It’s a GREAT idea though!

      • Anthony Palumbo

        i dont see why the radio’s and the other components would just be fcc certified, i mean i am sure there is a way that they could make this happen, it cant be that tuff, they would just have to pass several variations, mostly i was just considering selecting a few different processors your choice of radio internal memory and screen to be honest i dont know how much of that would require huge fcc leaps and bounds. but i do see your point

  • Anonymous

    edit: stupid disqus

  • Tdpolo26

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  • Anonymous

    Hopefully those 2nd Gen LTE radios come out on the next batch of phones.

    mmmmm… Maybe a 2nd Gen quad core LTE Nexus with JellyBean will come out at the end of this year.

    • Anonymous

      2nd gen isn’t going to help battery like as much as you would think though. The only thing that will really fix it is VoLTE. Until that gets delivered you’ll have to be connected to both networks so a phone call can actually work.

      • Anonymous

        The G-Nexus is capable of VoLTE….

  • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

    All I have to say is DUH.  After being in a location with 4G and having to come back home (where I only have 3G) I would agree with this requirements.  3G is to 4G what dialup is to broadband, there’s no reason 3G should exist anymore.  I’m pissed Verizon has not put 4G in my city yet.

    • Josh Groff

      3G is a fallback, 1/2G still need to die first ;)

    • Anonymous

      yeah leaving a 4g area sucks.  it’s like the world slows down.  i get so excited when i come back and see that signal light up.  or not sometimes.  haha.

  • Tom Burgee

    what about their precious IPhone – will they have 4G?

    • Josh Groff

      I was surprised this one didn’t, it’s pretty much becoming the standard.

    • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

      Yes, the next iPhone will, for sure, have 4G.  The question is, how will Apple keep their good battery life.  I suspect they will be designing their own 4G chip and will test the crap out of it.

      • Anonymous

        Do they actually design any complex hardware? I’m pretty sure they just purchase it all from other companies and assemble everything in a designed shell. If they plan to increase the screen size they’ll have even more problems.

        • http://twitter.com/humancyborg Human Cyborg

          Huh. The entire A5 SoC is designed by Apple. This is how they are able to have unusual (and far ahead of TI, Qualcomm, etc) combinations of components, like dual Cortex A9 CPU’s with a SGX543MP2.

          • Josh Groff

            Apple is good at full integration of software and hardware, that’s the only thing I like about them being in total control of the devices. Although, I would prefer rooted android to jailbroken iOS any day (but that’s mainly because of widgets and flashing between 5 or so ROMs just to see what’s up.)

          • NotRelevant

            Nothing there (save for the GPU) is any different than what TI and Qualcomm are doing.

          • http://twitter.com/humancyborg Human Cyborg

            Good job the GPU isn’t that important.

      • http://twitter.com/starnovsky Stan Tarnovsky

        Or use a next gen LTE chips from Qualcomm (they are coming)

  • Anonymous

    A hard requirement… until Apple decides LTE still consumes too much battery and releases yet another 3g iphone… and BlackBerry can’t get their shiznit together and releases another 3g Curve threatening thwir Enterprise agreements.

    • Jon

      the requirement is for smartphones so blackberrys wont be affcted

      • Josh Groff

        I get it, it’s funny because they’re dumb.

      • Anonymous

        Hilarious =D!!!

    • Anonymous

      With the new, 28mm die process for 4G radios, the battery consumption will go down. Then Apple fans will talk about how Apple “did it right” while I’ll continue to enjoy my 4G that I had 10 months before them.

    • Jarred Sutherland

      I don’t think Apple will have much of a choice in the matter. Verizon will drop their CDMA network once LTE covers their current area, 3G devices will then do what for service? 

      Verizon told Apple no before, they can do it again.

      • Anonymous

        They aren’t canning CDMA until 2018 at the earliest… and even then, they’ve made overtones that it’ll be the EVDO end dropped, not 1x.

    • http://twitter.com/jdrch Judah Richardson

       FTA: “that includes Windows Phone and BlackBerry devices, too”

      • Anonymous

        I don’t doubt that Windows Phones will… since they already have LTE…

        …However, I was doubting BlackBerry’s ability to get it together. Yes. Regardless what the article says – this is a company that isn’t exactly delivering on promises the past several years.

    • Anonymous

      I was just thinking the same thing about Apple, but good point about RIM.

  • http://twitter.com/michaelaburnham Michael Burnham

    This was bound to happen. its a WIP none the less, and having the option to turn off LTE for 3g is still available, until the day that part goes off but that wont be for a few years which will improve the LTE battery life since won’t be switching between networks

  • http://twitter.com/LucasNJohnson Lucas Johnson

    we need moar batteries instead of teh 4geez

  • Anonymous

    Hey Kellex, did Verizon unveil the LTE market expansion plans for 2012 yet like they did for 2011 with the huge USA map showing the areas they were targeting?

  • Anonymous

    And maybe Verizon should construct a backup 4g network for when the other inevitably doesn’t work. 

    • Anonymous

      hahaha

    • Anonymous

      That would ‘fail’ too since it’s actually the technology that enables CDMA and LTE to work together that is going down. All they need to do is work on that, and each failure point has been fixed after the bug pops up.

      • Anonymous

        Well honestly I have not been all that impressed with the Verizon 4g network from day 1. 3g is much more solid and reliable.

        If my phone was only 4g I would not be able to stay with Verizon since much of the time the phone wouldn’t work.

        I think Verizon would be better off setting up wifi across the nation and rent bandwidth from the cable companies…. lol

    • Deltaechoe

      To be fair to verizon, this is still a fairly new network technology, bugs that are not foreseen are bound to pop up under the stress that verizon’s network handles.  There is no such thing as released perfect technology, there is always a way to break it and everytime it happens verizon fixes that error and makes the network a bit more resillient

  • http://twitter.com/mfg68 MFG

    Cool, now I just need LTE in more of northern NJ. I’m missing it by >10 miles!

  • David Hussey

    So, this virtually guarantees that the next iPhone will have Verizon LTE at the least.  But we already knew that.

    • http://www.JWesCampbell.com/ Wes Campbell

      Y U NO KNOW THAT THIS IS DROID-LIFE??

      • Josh Groff

        So an android enthusiast is not allowed to know about the only viable competition to their favorite platform (considering blackberry is kind of a joke now.)

        • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

          Blackberry has been a joke for years.

          • Josh Groff

            I was referring to them trying to seem relevant with outdated hardware, like some other tech company, gosh, the name slipped my mind.

      • EC8CH

        THIS IS DROID-LIFE!

      • Anonymous

        Chill!, This is discussion about 4g, not your non-rooted phone! :-)

    • Anonymous

      First thing I thought of, too. There should be an LTE iPhone (late to the party, as usual; they were probably waiting on the 28mm die process for LTE radios), LTE WP7 (that no one will buy), and an LTE BB (which is like putting 22″ aluminum rims on a Pinto).

      I’d be curious to see what Verizon does if any of the aforementioned continue to make old tech phones. Apple’s known for being a late adopter (and then claiming that they’re the first to use the tech “right;” smug bastards), Microsoft is known for being irrelevant in the mobile space, and RIM is known for being the phone you thought was cool back in 2003. I could see each of them violating this credo of Verizon’s, and I can’t really see Verizon dropping any of those products (iPhone for it’s popularity, WP7 because MS would probably pay them off, and BB because it’s like that mentally challenged kid that you just can’t bear to tell that no one wants him on their baseball team, so he plays outfield and spends the whole time talking to a caterpillar).

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully they also make reliability a requirement as well.

    • John

      b’adun-ching

    • Anonymous

      This is not good. When 4G goes down, we are going to have a sh!t fit!

      • Corey Buckner

        uh, 4G phones still can connect to 3G…

        • mikeym0p

          He could be referring to the data connectivity issues that Verizon confessed are cause by a failure in their authentication system. This has bothered be a few times even on my Nexus. A situation where I would have only 1x and I couldn’t get directions home.

          • Anonymous

            I had the exact same thing happen to me, I had to call my friend and have them pull up google maps and read it to me =(

          • TC Infantino

            Heh, usually if I get that drunk I just call a friend to come pick me up, or if my friends are getting drunk with me we just call a cab.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=75200646 Stephen Cox

          Not if the authentication system is down. 3G in 4G phones still rely on it, but  3G-only phones use the old EvDo authentication and are unaffected.

        • Anonymous

          I think they should unlock the full speed that 3g can offer and give us that. At least the 3g network is working most of the time and we can rely on it. 

          If we had to rely on their 4g network we would be in bad shape.

      • Anonymous

        For what I can see they are making LTE a requirement but they didn’t mention anything about 3G been completely out of the equation……

      • Anonymous

        We’ll have 5G by then…and iPhones will still be on 4G (if not 3G) at that time :).

  • http://twitter.com/havens1515 Randy

    Awesome, so my next phone has low battery life and occasional network failure being a requirement. Can’t wait!

    • Jeff

      Or you could simply turn the 4G off and use 3G……

      • http://profiles.google.com/adamtruelove Adam Truelove

        I agree.  No one is making you use 4G.

        • Glen E Ston

          With data caps, No one will be able too make much use of it.

        • WAldenIV

          But they will make you pay for it.  They should figure out a way to allow users the option to pay for 3G only or to pay the higher cost for 4G.

          • Anonymous

            Unlimited customers actually aren’t paying for it.

          • Deltaechoe

            Its kind of nice to have unlimited data, I think I’m going to hold onto that for awhile >.>

      • http://twitter.com/havens1515 Randy

        Actually, from what I’ve read, most of these 4G phones have pretty bad battery life even when running on 3G. And I know for a fact that when these 4G outages have happened, all reports have said that 3G AND 4G were rendered useless on 4G phones for the duration of the outage. So no, turning off 4G is not a solution. Fixing their network and finding a more power friendly way to do 4G are the solutions.

        • Anonymous

          I agree that I have seen outages on 4G phones period (3g access included), but I have a 4G phone and the battery life is nearly doubled when it’s turned off and running 3G only.

          • Deltaechoe

            If I really need the battery to last long, I will turn off the 4g and sometimes mobile data completely and the idle current drops to about 19 mAh.  However, this usually isn’t necessary because I always carry a mini usb and an AC to USB adapter in my jacket pocket along with a small extension cord and the AC adapter for my transformer prime.  If you really care enough you can get around less than stellar battery life, even though i take it a bit extreme

    • Josh Groff

      *Points out the word new*

      Also, extended battery/RAZR MAXX?

      • http://twitter.com/havens1515 Randy

        Yeah, as I said… my next phone. My next phone will be a *new* phone. My upgrade isn’t until May, I’m not going to buy an OLD phone.

        • Josh Groff

          Extended battery or use 3G network toggle. ;)