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Motorola Confirms Our Suspicions, DROID RAZR Will Have A Locked Bootloader

After Motorola’s DROID RAZR announcement this morning, users took to Twitter with a pocketful of questions. A user by the name of @Eldorath reached out to Moto about the RAZR’s bootloader and was lucky enough to get a response. Unfortunately, as we suspected the RAZR will indeed have a locked bootloader at the request of Verizon.

While the phone is definitely slick and sleek – will this change your attitude towards it?

Via: Twitter

  • Anonymous

    I’m not surprised, everyone knew that Motorola would not be unlocking bootloaders in any significant way.  I’m betting that Motorola didn’t try very hard to get Verizon to let their unlocked bootloader on.

    At least there’s the Galaxy Nexus. There’s no way that won’t be unlocked.

  • Anonymous

    im not even surprised. nexus bootloaders are always unlocked.

  • Vaporware

    Everyone here is jumping the gun IMO. Saying the bootloader is locked doesnt really tell us much. The Xoom has a locked bootloader at purchase. HTC has locked bootloaders at purchase. Those devices can be unlocked by agreeing to void your warranty if you unlock them. The fact that the Razr has a locked bootloader DOES NOT mean it cant be unlocked.  We simply dont know yet. We will not know anything of substance until we learn if the bootloader is encrypted or if they will provide a way to unlock similar to how we unlock the Xoom. If its locked but not encrypted the devs will have it unlocked inside a week.

  • Anonymous

    This doesnt surprise me one bit.

  • Anonymous

    Doesn’t change my opinion. I didn’t want the Blur POS to begin with.

    • Anonymous

      exactly how i felt. stock ftw.

  • Sp4rxx

    Who cares?  Though it causes a *little* extra work to get it to root, it will still be eventually rootable.  You guys hang too much on petty stuff.

    The OG was unlocked, and every DROID afterwards was locked … oh! guess what!?!? they are all rootable now…. geesh you guys are impatient.

  • guest01

    meh, who cares, waiting on the g-nex

  • Anonymous

    YES, 100%.

    It also confirms my gut feeling that I’ll be ditching VZW as soon as other carriers offer LTE in my city, and time is running out for MOTO & VZW.

  • Anonymous

    Ok, my 7 moto device run is officially over. Gnex here I come.

  • Anonymous

    change my attitude? Yes, most definitely.

  • Anonymous

    Locked Bootloader = EPIC FAIL.

    Especially when the Prime will likely continue Samsung’s tradition of being unlocked, PLUS have ICS on it.  So what does the RAZR have to stand on?  That it’s what the Bionic should have been?

  • Anonymous

    Damn you Verizon!!!!

  • wtf? what regulatory and saftey guideline. that is total bullshit. vzw wants it locked and this is why it is locked f-u moto and f-u google because i am pretty sure at this point even though the purchase of moto is pending, you have a lot of say on how these phones should be released

    • Anonymous

      They do have control, but it is up to the carrier to let it on the network or not. VZW says no….a phone that can’t make phone calls or 3G/4G is pretty useless, hence locked…

  • I really do not understand why you people act like its a big deal. Those who actually do things to their phone that require an unlocked bootloader will eventually be able to do so locked or not. The rest of you who complain about it being locked and avoid the phone or do nothing but complain about it while owning the phone yet don’t explore any methods that go around the locked bootloader have no business having one in the first place.

    • Anonymous

      And people who want to buy marijuana will eventually buy it, legal or not. Might as well capitalize on legalizing it. The point is, people who want to do it will do it, and the people who don’t, won’t. Why make it more difficult and more dangerous unnecessarily? Unlock the boot loader, let people do with it what they like, and maybe… just maybe, developers will be able to focus on developing cool stuff instead of spending massive amounts of time trying to crack a locked boot loader. That would benefit the entire industry.

  • Alexander Garcia

    Locked Bootloader!? Who the f..ck cares!? At least the hacker community will have something to do now.

  • GotSka81

    Once again, let us all remember the difference between “locked” and “encrypted”.

  • J Dub

    Also…Moto blames VZW on not being unlocked. Who thinks there might just end up being some kind of “leaked” engineering build for this come out that lets the devs really get in there and mess around? Who also thinks that Moto is full of it when they said unlocked bootloaders in Q4?

  • Bioniccommando4231

    Lets call this the Bionic v1.5 then

    Better screen, but mostly the same and non-removable batt.

    Dont feel too bad now and have got to get all the Nfl this season.

  • J Dub

    I see this phone doing pretty well. It will have a huge marketing budget.

    I see me NOT owning this phone.

  • Disappointed

    I can deal with a locked bootloader, but the inability to remove/change the battery is a deal breaker.

    Time to see if the budget camera rumors on the Nexus are true.

    • 5 mp doesn’t equal budget camera.  If sensor is crappy then it is a budget camera.

  • nexus on the brain

    I get that Kellex started this site a year and a half plus ago, and when the OG was the schizzle, the title “Droid-Life” made sense…..I am thinking a name change is in order to Nexus-Life, based on the not so strong Driod showings lately.  Anyone with me in petitioning Kellex to change the name?  Nexus dash life dot com

    • No

      • nexus on the brain

        Sorry you feel that way, but I get the sense that MOST of the readers on this website are leaving DROID for Nexus (when they can, due to contracts, etc), anyone else feel the same???, Nexus dash Life dot com!

  • This was obviously requrested by Verizon, which makes me scared that the Galaxy Nexus will also be locked down.

    • Anonymous

      If it is,then it’s off to T-Mobile for me. I’m not playing the locked game with them. My contract is up in Nov with Verizon. They’ll lose me….

  • Msdynamite

    I don’t know about you guys, but I wouldn’t think of buying a phone that might run afoul of any “regulatory guidelines”! Seriously though, I was almost willing to forego ICS for a while just to get an SD card and Gorilla Glass, two things I believe the Nexus will lack. But the locked bootloader and irremovable battery are deal breakers. (Although I expect the Nexus battery will also be irremovable.)

  • Motorola Fails As Always!

    Ahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa I knew it moto fail, they never keep their word only to blame it on Verizon when at the same time the nexus will be unlocked on the same damn carrier which just so happens to be who, oh that would be Verizon! Lame asses you can’t fool us any longer, moto is down the drain, nexus ftw.

  • Rob Meyer

    Ok… So now lets leave moto alone and spam vzw to allow their carriers (other than nexus devices) to unlock the fkking bootloader! God I hate these assholes.

  • Anonymous

    Go F yourself Motorola. I have a Droid X and you updates suck. First gingerbread update was horrible.

  • Davros

    With Verizon’s control issues (Motorola’s excuse) I have serious concerns whether the Sammy Nexus will actually be unlocked. How disappointed would we be if our “Developer Phone” had a locked bootloader? 🙁

    • Anonymous

      Well if this is the case,then the Dev community will have to come up with ways to force them open….

  • Dc3mech

    And no removable battery… have fun rooting and needing to pull the battery.

    • Volume up and power will reboot

  • Anonymous

    They most likely say it is because of netflix that they can’t unlock the bootloaders since the device needs to be “secure” for hd streaminghttp://phandroid.com/2011/10/18/first-look-motorola-droid-razr-for-verizon-video/

    • Anonymous

      How can they even say that since it is available on the other Nexus phones? Have I missed something there?

      • Anonymous

        One it is moto and two do the others have hd streaming? Moto always uses some bs excuse as why they won’t unlock boot loaders or at least not encrypt them when others aren’t doing that and offering the same features.

        • Fallacies

          sound’s get apple-ish

  • Anonymous

    Well sorry Motorola, better luck next time…Nexus goodness here I come.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly. Glad to see Motorola keeping their word about how they’re going to start unlocking bootloaders. Claim it’s VZW’s fault if you want. An unlocked bootloader (i.e., a way to put Cyanogenmod on this sexy hardware) was basically the only thing that was going to make me give Motorola another chance after going through four Droid 2s in a year.

      Goodbye Motorola, hello Samsung (by way of the Galaxy Nexus). A bit more than seven hours until my next phone is officially announced.

  • Anonymous

    Just so I’m clear (as I’ve been out of the ROM / tinkering hobby for awhile), a locked bootloader simply means you can’t do the whole ROM / flashing thing?  Assuming this phone is as solid a performer as it appears to be I’m not sure I care.  Nor will the other 90% of people who buy phones from VZW.

    • J Dub

      You can put ROM’s on there. They will just use the stock kernel which limits what can truly be baked into the ROM.

    • That is correct, it’s for ROM’s etc.
      And again you are correct 90-95% of people don’t give a shit the bootloader is locked.

    • principled fellow

       the ability to flash ROMS will come with time. the community that’s going to be trying to hack this phone is much smarter and larger than the people who locked it down. for me, its a matter of principle. by encrypting the bootloader, Motorola is saying they own your device, not you. if wanted to buy a phone from a company who thought like that, i would buy an iPhone.

  • Bryan Williams

    I’m afraid some people are not fully understanding the difference between a “locked” bootloader and an “encrypted” bootloader.

    I’m not aware of any phone that came with an unlocked bootloader(I’m sure there were, so correct me if I’m wrong), just some that are easier to unlock than others.  Unfortunately Motorola is known for encrypting theirs and makes it 10 times more difficult for the devs to develop for.  In turn, that makes it less attractive for someone who wants lots of options.

    • Good point, but for the sake of the android community, people generally just refer to it as ‘locking’ the bootloader. Because it’s closed with a key (encrypted). Still hats off to many of the developers that HAVE managed to move forward despite those (encrypted) bootloaders. Look at cvpcs, Rev, P3, etc.. they all continue to do amazing work with what they have 🙂

  • No one is ever happy with Motorola? This phone is great and the thinness is sexy wouldn’t mind giving this a go

  • MOTO burn in hell for lying to us.

  • Yup.. so glad I asked, TBH.. the specs and size of the device were looking like it was going to be a nice phone for my wife (the 4.3″ I’m not too sold on, tbh), but based on the fact that Moto told their customer base they would start unlocking bootloaders, and have yet to do so… places the device on my ‘No sale’ list. If they change their mind later on down the road, I might re-consider, but now it’s just the sake of lying to their customers.

  • Bross138

    I see Eric Schmidt and Co. having a “come- to- Jesus” meeting with Jha and Co. about this, or at least i hope. Locking is one thing, but the real question is will it have Moto’s eleventy milliion bit encryption to protect their precious blur crap.

  • OG Droid owner… I will not accept anything less then an unlocked Bootloader…
    I like moto build quality but none of their current phones appeal to me since they all come with bloatware and locked boootloader.

    Samsung Galaxy Nexus here I come. (would have been better if they kept it as the Nexus Prime)

    • Tyczj

      you do realize that the OG Droid did have somewhat of a locked bootloader right….

  • Jake

    The locked bootloader is the reason I can’t get CM7 with GB kernel to work perfectly on my DX. For that reason, no more locked bootloaders for me. Whether that also means no more Moto for me is up to Moto.

  • Anonymous

    Droid RAZR + Locked Bootloader = Nexus 4 Me

    I like the ability to fully customize my android experience. The line about “Locked per the carrier,…” really scares me though.

  • so stupid, first droid not locked, htc not blocked, yet still they keep doing this crap. Really though what harm does this cause really? Oh right, absolutely nothing.

  • Josh

    Motorola just keeps shooting themselves in the foot

  • Anonymous

    As per carrier request… while verizon may wish it locked, there is no reason it needs to be encrypted…

  • Mikedeamicis

    occupy verizon!!!!! demand unlock able boot loaders by choice!!

  • Anonymous

    By show of hands.. Who is suprised by this?

    • EC8CH

      cherp cherp cherp

  • Ray

    And it looks like the phone will be Global

  • Anonymous

    Bye bye Moto. There’s literally no reason to buy this phone.

    • No reason? Oh the thinnest, dual core, 1gb ram, LTE, super amoled screen qhd, but your right there is no reason to buy this?

      • Anonymous

        Not when the Prime will offer all that and more.

  • I’m running a custom rom on my locked Droid 3. Just saying

    • babadush

      They also have roms for the bionic

  • nexus on the brain

    Yeppers, locked bootloader, no NFC, motoblur, and a who the heck knows when update to ICS……Nexus, please make my day!

  • Anonymous

    Why is anyone surprised? trololol

  • Bhazard451

    Vote with your wallet. If they don’t want to provide us with a feature we want (unlockable bootloader), then I won’t be buying your product. $$ talks.

  • Anonymous

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    • if your best friends brother is making that, HOW ABOUT YOU GO DO IT AND STOP SPAMMING

  • Locked Bootloader, no NFC.  I’ll pass

  • hatethanet

    Anyone have any ideas whether it will be easy to root or not? Forgive me for being such a noob when it comes to rooting lol.

    • Anonymous

      I imagine it will be rooted no problem. So you should be able to do some things with it, but being unlocked would have been much better.

  • Moto, please chomp on this. *grabs crotch*

    If Verizon somehow manages to lock the Galaxy Nexus bootloader, I will definitely be purchasing it on another carrier.

    • KniteLyf

      As funny as this was, I’m not angry at Moto.  They chose to go this direction.  It will be interesting to see with all these phones coming out around the same time how important a locked bootloader is to non-DLers.

      • I have no doubt that it won’t put much of a dent into their sales.  I’ll be the first to admit that Motorola makes some amazing hardware, so much so that my past two smartphones have been made by Motorola (OG and DX).  My problem arises from the fact that they told us they were going to unlock their bootloaders before the end of the year.  Now they obviously have plenty of time left, but it sure seems like the Bionic and now the Razr would have been perfect opportunities to do it if they truly have intentions to.

  • Anonymous

    Okey dokey, Moto!  Well, let me know how that RAZR sells up against the Nexus.

  • Rubenalifuenmayor

    Let the boycott begin.

  • Anonymous

    All Aboard the fail train! I was getting a G-Nexus anyways, but this did stir my interest until this lil bit came out. 

  • EC8CH

    When did the FCC start to require encrypted bootloaders?

  • Bryan Williams

    Locked Bootloader, non-removable battery, Blur, No NFC, no ICS.

    Yeah, I’ll pass.

    • rick

      yupt. nothing more to see here.  moving on . . . . 

  • Anonymous

    I’ve been heavily leaning towards the Galaxy Nexus…this just confirms my choice.

    Thank You Motorola for validating my choice…Galaxy Nexus it is!!!

  • Wuffpack99

    No NFC, no open bootloader, no ICS, no removeable battery.  What does that equal?  No win.

    • Bryan Williams

      You forgot that it has Blur on it too.  🙂

  • Kierra

    I dont care about bootloarders…

  • Fyrenzy

    nope, didnt want it in the first place and the locked bootloader is just confirming this phones UNappealing looks,software and programming. ill  get the nexus or even wait til something better. my personal opinion that i dont like this phone.

  • Guessa

    I don’t get why they say ‘per carrier request’ when Verizon has various Samsung and HTC phones with unlocked bootloaders. Why would Verizon discriminate?

  • Kind of a toss up between the Galaxy Nexus and the Droid Razr…

  • babadush

    As I’ve said it before. Motorola is the Apple of Android.

  • ChrisI

    A locked bootloader on Verizon?!?!?!?!? Never saw that coming…..

    • EC8CH

      From Motorola no less….

  • It’s not a bad phone, but with all these easily anticipated ‘cons,’ it still seems like Motorola has become the ugly stepchild of Android hardware makers.

  • OG DROID owner here. I don’t trust motorola to update this phone in a timely fashion so i guess ill be jumping ship.To bad this phone is a really nice piece of hardware.

  • Keith Norris

    Well when ever at&t gets LTE I’m switching from Verizon.

  • BOOOOOOOO

  • Tony Allen

    Way to play the blame game Moto. I love my Bionic, but I’m jumping ship to the Nexus if all goes well after the end of the year. Tired of not having my phone the way I want it. YOU locked the bootloader, not Verizon.

  • Anonymous

    So is the Rezound still coming this year?  Despite the leaked release date I’m amazed there’s no good leaks for something coming out around the same time as these two phones.

  • Anonymous

    You’re right, number one priority for me when buying a phone is playing frisbee with it and skipping down the sidewalk.

  • Anonymous

    What a sham and a shame. And then to blame Verizon. I think we’ll see tonight that Big Red allows unlocked phones.
    **** I almost wanted this phone.

  • rick

    The possibility of an unlocked bootloader was the only thing keeping me remotely interested in this phone. Now that a locked bootloader is confirmed … Step right this way Nexus. The OG has served me well, but it is time to move on. see ya moto. 

  • Anonymous

    Honestly, the locked boot loader doesn’t bother me that much.  I think what bothers me is that the design is very awkward and they still haven’t gotten rid of that camera hump.  They make this amazingly thin phone and shoot themselves in the foot with the same camera hump and bad screen. 

    It’s like, the Bionic was pretty thin already, improve on what is bad: your camera, your screen, your stupid hump.

    Also, going with capacitive buttons and no time table for ICS is pretty disastrous in itself.

    • Tony Allen

      There is nothing wrong with the camera on the Bionic, there is however a problem with the factory Bionic software for the camera, its slow and shitty. Using other camera apps, I get snappy quick performance. 

      The screen is ” taken care of ” here even though there isn’t anything wrong with my Pentile QHd display, it works well, saves battery life, and doesn’t look bad like the bullshit that’s been flying around tech blogs for months. 

      The design of the hump is nice IMO, it allows the phone to rest on my finger when I’m holding it with one hand.

      As for ICS, it isn’t released yet, and capacitive buttons or not, doesn’t have anything to do with this phone getting or not getting it. We already know that phones without the on-screen buttons will be getting it as well. Don’t be stupid. This phone will sell well for those who want an LTE device that is very thin and very attractive with the SAMOLED screen.

      • Anonymous

        “The screen is ” taken care of ” here even though there isn’t anything
        wrong with my Pentile QHd display, it works well, saves battery life,
        and doesn’t look bad like the bullshit that’s been flying around tech
        blogs for months.”

        Opinion.  There are many that bought the phone and took it back because they couldn’t get used to the screen.  I was one of them.  To me, the PentileMatrix screen looking bad wasn’t bullshit.  It was reality.

        It doesn’t bother some people, and some people can get used to it.  Others can’t can’t get used to it.  For me, I shouldn’t have to pay $300 (or full retail) and get used to anything major like that.

  • PyroHoltz

    After the D3’s development delays am officially boycotting locked bootloaders.

  • Livin4Freedom

    Any you guys are shocked by this? No surprise whatsoever besides there nice little BS stab at VZW on why it is locked.

    Hey Moto stop passing blame you lying a%*hats. VZW DOES NOT force you to lock it up that is a hogwash excuse plain and simple. Get off your darn high horse and give us our freedom back like we are suppose to have with Android.

    At this rate I sure hope they start dieing a slow death like a few yrs back as you deserve it at this point seeing as you’ve lied to us all anyways saying we’d have options to unlock things. FAIL FAIL FAIL!!!!

  • Spencer 0030

    Locked no custom ROMs they just lost My money

  • Anonymous

    motorola is catering to the enterprise user, that’s no secret.  to do this, they have to stick with a more secure environment, which is why i’m over moto.  they’re trying to take over the BB space, and it looks like it’s working.  but for how long?  i think the enterprise market is a dangerous game.  if you’re they’re too long, you stop innovating and become stagnant…and then utterly fail.

    i can’t wait for the samsung even tonight…can’t freaking wait.

  • Dear Verizon & Motorola.  I buy the phone.  I pay for service. If I opt to void my warranty, that’s my choice.  If you choose to tell me “told you so” if I brick my phone, that’s your right.  Can you treat us like adults now?

    • And VZW will say dear customer you didn’t actually read the contract that you signed that says you cannot tether or use a wifi hotspot or about 30 other things on their network without paying extra.  This is why they require the manufacturer to lock the bootloader.  If you want freedom go find and already unlocked device that is not subsidized and only run it on WiFi.  That is really the only option in the USA.  Its not like other countries where all phones are unlocked and there are no contracts.

      Why is concept of a locked bootloader so hard to grasp.  Better yet why does everyone think they are “entitled” to so much.  Its not your network you don’t get to make the rules.  Its honestly as simple as that.  They provide a service either take it or leave it.  No one is holding a gun to your head about it.  I work in corporate IT and there is a ton of crap our end users cannot do on their computers.  We even restrict what you can do when you bring in your own device an put it on our WiFi.  Why? because its ours.

      • Anonymous

        Because locking the bootloader stops me from using WiFi Tether.

        • Anonymous

          They blocked usage on the DX kernal update. So yeah.

          • Anonymous

            I’m fairly certain it’s already been cracked since when I was running liberty 0.9 GB it was working fine (on CM7 now).

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, I know I ran .9 before CM7 as well, but just saying: if they do it right, it could easily cause problems.

        • No its doesn’t stop you completely. But it stops you from using an app that they didn’t put on the phone that is harder to track.

          • Anonymous

            WiFi Tether is the app…. not 3G Hotspot.

      • Eric Elliott

        It’s your network, ultimately bankrolled by us, either the consumers or the employees.  I hate corporate IT – go plug in a router or something.

      • Jake

        You’re right that it’s Verizon’s network and they make the rules about what you can and can’t do on their network. Not everyone who is looking for an unlocked bootloader feels a sense of “entitlement” as you say. They’re stating their preference and if they ultimately will speak with their wallets. The analogy of your corporate network isn’t spot-on, because most of the computers belong to the company, not the individuals, so the company can do what it wants to is own computers. As for users’ own personal devices on your company’s Wifi, the company does that by limiting the network access, not by locking down the users’ perosnal computers and taking away their admin privaleges on their own devices.

      • Mikedeamicis

        um, corporate? who cares, we are not talking about company property here. they already throttle webhogs so get over that angle. this is a matter of doing as you wish with what you paid for. they subsidize phones because most people will not pay 600 or 700 dollars for a phone and this gets them lots of dollars on data plans and accessories. do you really think they take that hugs a hit on subsidizing your purchase? how naive a point of view you have. verizon is making money hand over fist just like all the other people in the chain along the way. not everyone wants to unlock their phone and go all apeshit with it. but that is a choice that should not be stigmatized by the carrier. i took my droid in to get it looked at by the stare and they were like this phone warranty is voided and we will not touch it? i asked why and they said i hacked it. i just have launcher pro, lockscreen and widgetsoid running, all of which are market aps and i loudly threw it in their face and called them out for not even knowing jack shit about their own products. they apologized and tried to do a reset on my phone and again got yelled at. i made them do the troubleshooting and it was a local network issue and they ended up sending out a notice to field support about a tower proble.  verizon has not the slightest clue as to the true potential of android, they seldom know anything about their own products, they lack technical proficiency, and they think their customers are stupid. if they did not have the best physical network i would have left them 3 years ago. if any other carrier gets a competitive network i am kissing these losers good bye. they are not even a shadow of the model of customer service they were ten years ago.

        • Anonymous

          You wrote a novel lol. This post is so long and it doesn’t make sense.

          • Fallacies

            made sense to me.
            then, again, your name is “aAaNnNgGgEeElLlFfFaAaCcCeEe…”

          • Anonymous

            Im an angel 🙂

      • Anonymous

        As I was reading this post I was thinking to myself “Why is this guy posting such a pissy, grumpy, self important comment?” Then I read “I work in corporate IT” and it all made sense. 

        • Bioniccommando4231

          I swear its part of their training. Think they are the most important people in the company, but really they are the same as the facilities people maintaining the elec and hvac.

      • Anonymous

        And if I pay full retail, then what?  Oh, and BTW, I don’t have a contract with Verizon. :p

        And you’re aware that Samsung doesn’t lock their bootloaders, right?  There are plenty of options here in the US.

        Subsidy is there just to get people to buy a phone who otherwise wouldn’t pay $600 for one.  It’s not Verizon’s phone.  It’s mine when I buy it.

      • I don’t tether.  I don’t need to. vive la wifi! I prefer to root my device to overclock my cpu, use alternate themes, try ROMs that have been tweaked to run more smoothly and are updated more often and at a rate faster than Verizon could ever possibly imagine rolling out updates to their devices. 

        I think because most people pay at least around $2000 a year for a cellular device and service makes them question why anyone would make them feel as if they’re asking for too much to get the most from their device and their experience.
        You’re right, no one has to do business with Verizon.  It’s just a shame that phones are locked to specific carriers.  While it would be more expensive, I really wish all phones were sold unlocked so customers could get the device they wish on the network they choose. While some devices come locked, it’s not the case for every device.  Verizon would probably hemorrhage customers until they figured out that people don’t like being limited and are not fond of double dipping for merely extending a service their customers pay for and they would adjust accordingly!  It would be a more level and competitive playing field if all phones were sold unlocked and carrier free.  Charging to tether. to me, is like varying the price of a bottle of water based on if you chose to drink it by yourself or share it with another. Especially if you’re locked into capped usage. In the case of capped usage, I think it’s their wet dream that customers run over their quota so they can get charged a premium for making that mistake. And working corporate IT isn’t a parallel reference for this scenario.  I don’t work for Verizon.  I pay them, they work for me.  I am the consumer and when I hand my money over, make no illusions that what I ask for comes from a false sense of entitlement. Not at all. I pay for a premium device I should be able to use it as I see fit. When you make computers available as a corporate IT guy, you and the end users of that company are paid to use those computers to do what you’re paid to do! Apples and oranges, dude.

        • P.S.  You’re right concerning “contracts”, not everyone reads them. But there’s so much more to having an unlocked boot loader than tethering. 

      • trumpet444

        While you make valid points, unlocked bootloader does not = tethering. Rooting = tethering. So its not about controlling what we do on their network, it’s telling the guy that probably dropped retail $ on a phone that he’s limited to what he can do with something he owns and may or may not even plan to use vzw’s network.

  • Anonymous

    I expect the same types of comments tonight after the Samsung event…for me, its impossible to choose until the HTC device is announced.

    • KniteLyf

      With HTC’s history of horrible battery life, and the fact that Samsung’s is a Nexus phone, HTC will be in a similar boat as Moto for this holiday season.

  • Anonymous

    Phone is still possible good for a normal user.  For advanced users who want root, fail.  I have sprint, and want to switch to verizon..but they do so many stupid things.  Was looking for nexus the entire time, but they really need to stop. 

  • Billy Gardiner

    I don’t think you guys know what kind of security exploits there are when a phone is unlocked (and then rooted).  If the target of this phone is Businesses and the Corporate world at all, then the bootloader MUST be locked.  It is a high security risk to company information when an unlocked bootloader/rooted phone is passing their information.

  • Rob Becker

    My finger is pointed squarely at Verizon. Google where’s the free whitespace wifi plz?

    • Tony Allen

      Then your finger is pointed in the wrong direction, this is Motorola’s call, not Verizon’s.. they decided on the locked down bootloaders and they’ve been off and running with them since.

  • Davidukfl

    locked bootloader definitely sucks. However if a 2nd init solution is available like for the X this phone may still be able to run CM7, MIUI etc

  • This is what Cellzealot over at HF had to say about the Nexus…I think the issues he is referring to is in regards to Verizon and it being unlocked. He’s a well known member over there at HF.
    “I hear the Prime is having some serious issues…can’t really say much more than that though, sorry.It could mean delays in the announcement and/or any proposed release date, and give the RAZR an edge…so to speak!”

  • Gregory Pickering

    I am done with Motorola phones.  They are pretty good phones and a lot better than most but I am just not sold on them any longer. I have had the Droid, Droid X and Droid X2. All of that is fine except I had my OG Droid replaced 3 times, the Droid X replaced 2 times and the X2 replaced once. All for hardware / software type stuff like rebooting because the phone apparently felt unloved and lonely. I am moving to the Samsung Nexus and won’t be coming back for a while. I mean, considering my brother is a big wig with Samsung mobile… it is long overdue.

    • Anonymous

      I’m in the same boat.

      Had the Droid X replaced 3 times.

      Plus, I own a Xoom.  Enough said.

  • OG Droid

    Well now that we got that out of the way we can move on to PRIME TIME!!!! (Insert your time zone)

  • I’m really surprised with this phone. Verizon is offering me an early upgrade for some reason (my NE2 is supposed to be in March). I think the Nexus will be too big. I’m seriously considering this phone.

  • Anonymous

    Pass

  • Locker per the Carrier…..

    Will VZW lock the galaxy nexus????

    • Anonymous

      We will see shortly but I sure hope the hell not.

  • Anonymous

    Galaxy Nexus it is!

  • This is what I expected to happen.  For myself, I will likely try to get the Nexus because I like the stock and unlocked features.  For others, e.g. my family and friends who aren’t technical, I think this is a GREAT phone and will recommend it highly.

  • Anonymous

    Am i the only who senses BS, other 4g phones have unlocked Bootloaders, any who this throws out me getting a RAZR (if the nexus was a disappointment or not on verizon).

    • Anonymous

      None that are Motorola… that is the issue. They are the only ones who pull this crap now and then blame it on Verizon.

      • Anonymous

        The OG can be unlocked. The XOOM can be unlocked. Weak excuse by Moto.

  • B

    If this came with Ice Cream Sandwich, I would accept the locked bootloader.

    Having to wait for 6 months or more for the latest updates will be frustrating.

  • Donnydon

    huge disapointment. Im gonna pass.

  • Yiannis

    You can thank those who tether 100+ GB/mo. VZW jdoes not want to risk their network’s integrity.

    • Anonymous

      The locked boot loader on my DX has rarely prevented me from using WiFi Tether.

    • Fyrenzy

      there are dozens of non rooted apps that allow you to tether. next reasoning?

  • kep

    probably wouldn’t make a difference either way for me b/c I don’t plan on running custom roms.  That said with the Galaxy Nexus coming out there is very little chance I’d buy the Razr.  As I’d like to actually get OS updates.  My guess is Razr is months away from ICS.  With all that stuff they’ve added to android it’s probably going to take awhile to make it all work on ICS and every other update to Android going forward.

  • Rob W.

    UGH it’s such a sexy phone, great specs, and some great features. But why does Motorola continually ignore their customers and pull this crap. Who effin cares about big red. All we want is an unlocked bootloader. Don’t sit there scratching your heads when you see the Nexus destroying your RAZR in sales. 

  • Murphy

    DOA.

  • Anonymous

    They try to say its locked because of a carrier requirement? Why does Verizon allow Samsung devices that are unlocked to be released. Or the xoom which is clearly known to be unlockable. I find that to be dishonest. They need to come out and confess “we have put so much effort and money into our awful skin called blur, and we want to be sure you’re using it.” They have some magical fantasy about blur being really popular and sought after. Its garbage. Anyone who would consider paying money for this is NOT a true android fanatic, as this does not follow the spirit of openness that android encompasses.

    • Anonymous

      The Blur Dialer is 50000000000x better than the stock one.

  • No change. I was leaning towards Nexus anyway.

  • No thanks to any more Moto locked shenanigans.  As I’ve been saying on the DROID3 forums for some time…Nexus for me from here on out!

    I’ll take the latest version of Android, frequent updates, and no bugs swarming all over the phone. I had the DROID3 on launch day. Camera was supposed to be “advanced.” Maybe the hardware was…who knows? The fact is that Moto sucks so horribly at programming software that there was no hope for it’s hardware to shine. Moto, when immersing their hands in code, can’t help but to completely ruin the experience. And then locks the bootloader on top of that, so you can’t get out of their ruinous programming.

    No sir from me to any future Moto device, unless it is a Nexus…then we’ll talk. But at this point, there is no future with anything but Nexus phones. HTC’s update track record is positively brutal. Samsung’s has not been good. I remember galaxy S’s being on Eclair when Gingerbread came out. Seriously? Nexus, NEXUS NEXUS.

    Say it with me now….

    NEXUS FOR US FROM HERE ON OUT!!!

  • Murphy

    DOA.

  • Antivanity

    #EPICFAIL

  • Anonymous

    I could care less about the locked bootloader.

    • Keith Sumner

      Couldn’t care less would be the correct phrase.

  • DavinFelth

    No ICS is by far the biggest problem I see.  If they don’t announce intentions to upgrade to it before release, it’s just another reason I’ll be buying the Galaxy Nexus instead.

  • Noble Four

    In other news, the sky is blue.

  • Bionicman

    if this is true and Verizon made them lock it, makes you wonder about the verizon version of the GNex and if thats going to be locked as well….

  • hmmm a locked phone running gingerbread…or a developer device running ice cream. what to do, what to do.

    • Keith Sumner

      Who said the Nexus would be unlocked?

      • Anonymous

        We will soon find out and man there will be screaming if it is.  But if it is I won’t buy it and I’ll go with the Rezound since HTC stated they will no longer encrypt a bootloader.

      • Google did.  Its a requirement for Dev devices.  Look at the OG, the XOOM and the Nexus S 4G.  Two on VZW that came unlocked and one that is from Sprint.  I mean all of the Nexus/Experience devices to date have come unlocked.  Google tells the carrier either take it how it is or you don’t get one.  So many people want a Nexus device and make it sound like Verizon has never gotten anything that is Dev Friendly but the OG was the phone that started the revolution if you will.  The locked bootloader doesn’t bother me nearly as bad as no NFC in this thing.  Moto needs to get on that fast.

      • Tom

        I said this before earlier… Nexus is a GOOGLE device. If it bears the Nexus name, it will be unlocked. They are developer phones. If they even DARE to lock it, they are losing a whole slew of customers. Besides… they are other phones on Google that are unlocked, why would they do something as stupid as lock a Nexus phone on a network that is known to have unlocked bootloaders. Especially since there are plenty of OG Droid users at the end of their contracts who were waiting for a phone like this, and won’t accept anything less.

  • Goincarcrazy

    Well at least we all know who to point the finger at… Big Red, ball’s in your court!

  • Anonymous

    Moto announced a new phone today???????

  • Greg Abbate

    The bootloader could cook me dinner, wash my clothes and massage my back and I still would not get this phone. Galaxy Nexus is a far superior device.

    • Keith Sumner

      I love how so many people like you are passing these judgements on phones that are not even released yet, have you tried both of these phones?

  • JohnPA2006

    Locked or not, this and the Bionic are awesome phones no matter how you look at it.

  • People, get over yourselves. V will not allow a unlocked Moto bootloader. Move on with your lives.

  • Anonymous

    if this is locked because of Verizon, what about the galaxy nexus, did big red lock that down too

  • this was never really an option for me with the nexus coming… but any chance has been lost with the locked bootloader… bloatware… blur… not to mention the fact that it will probably we a really long time before it sees ICS…

  • QQMore

    By Moto, I’m going back to Samsung.

  • With the g-nex coming out, locked bootloader = out of consideration

  • Anonymous

    I think I speak for everyone here when I say, THIS IS BULLSHIT

  • Adf

    That is a bullshit excuse.  Verizon carries both Samsung and HTC phones which are unlocked…

    • I assume you mean the Thunderbolt.. which has a locked bootloader, but there exists an unlocked leaked version.

      • Anonymous

        They originally tried to lock the thunderbolt yes, but since stated they will no longer lock any HTC devices in the future…  Meaning encrypt.

        It is only Motorola that does this now.

        • Anonymous

          We shall see. HTC has been locking their phones down as well, they only said they would start unlocking them; so did Moto and look how that’s gone.

          • Anonymous

            Yes we will see. I don’t care if they lock them as long as they are not encrypted. Soon enough we will see what happens with the Nexus and the Rezound.  Out of 3 new devices I hope at least one of them will be unlockable.

        • Imns

          Hopefully that will change once the “merger” with Google goes through.

          • Anonymous

            We can hold out hope… and that would sure be nice.

  • Scrub175

    This was expected… Locked per the carrier. what about the Verizon Nexus? Xoom is unlocked, here’s hoping the same for Nexus.

  • Worm

    Yes, that’s why I won’t own a Motorola device. I want my Android rooted and s-off, period.

    • Noble Four

      S-Off is a term that applies only to HTC devices.

      THE MORE YOU KNOW

  • So by end of the year… what did they mean? Guess they took the HTC route with the Thunderbolt…. We Promise 3rd Quarter 2.3 update…. Hello 4th Quarter and still no Ginger bread.. losing faith fast

  • Maniko (Meister_Li)

    Yes. The Droid Razr is completely out of the question now. No thanks.

  • Anonymous

    Edit: any mods out there that can remove this post?

    • Anonymous

      That ascii doesn’t show right?  Facepalm or its a trap?

      • Anonymous

        An epicly failed facepalm lol

  • Anonymous

    And now everyone turns to the Galaxy Nexus. 

    • Now?  hahaha never turned away from it.  So Moto, whatever happened to “late 2011” hahahaha

      • Anonymous

        Some of us did. I can assure you that there is not one phone coming from Samsung built like the RAZR. Not even your Galaxy Nexus.

        • OG Droid

          Well have fun with your locked bootloader and non-removable battery.

          • Anonymous

            Who said I was getting one of these? All I said was that this is going to be a better built phone than anything on the market.

          • Anonymous

            I’ll come out and say it then. I think the Nexus will be junk. Things Samsung is known for: Poor poor build quality, crappy radios and gps. I am not happy about Moto’s locked bootloader, etc. but this phone will have better built hardware than the Nexus.

          • Anonymous

            We are on the same boat.

          • Guest

            I’m with you guys on this one. Moto Build Quality has been second to none for years IMO.

          • Anonymous

            Moto devices has the most useful things radios, call quality etc.

          • Anonymous

            I am glad I am not the only one who thinks so. The radio thing is spot on. Fascinate did not get nearly as good service as my OG Droid and the Inc2 is only slightly better than the Fascinate.

        • Anonymous

          You are correct. You’ll get your Nexus on Verizon but that’s about where it ends, there’s lots of caveats. It still won’t touch Droid RAZR in terms of build quality or battery life. And what good is a phone running first to running Android 37.2 if it’s dead when I need to make a phone call?

      • shdowman

        They did say “late 2011” BUT, they also put a nice disclaimer on it saying “as carriers allow”.

        How many carriers are going to allow an unlocked bootloader I wonder?

        It will be a cold day in hell before VZW allows one voluntarily…

        • Considering they have already allowed 2 they must be playing Ice Hockey in hell tonight.

          • shdowman

            “voluntarily…”

            As in:

            Moto: Hey Verizon, we were toying with the idea of unlocking the bootloader on this new phone, that cool with you guys?

            VZW: Do we have an option here?

            Moto: Of course! We really don’t want to, but kind of tweeted that we would do it sometime this year with the caveat that we would “leave it up to you”.

            VZW: Cool. I get it. Then No. Lock that bitch down.

            Moto: Already did. We all good?

            VZW: Indeed.

          • Anonymous

            Win.

        • All the Samsung phones are unlocked, as are the LG.

          Must be pretty damn cold down there right now.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t see what the fuss is, I’ve got a thunderbolt and its locked, didn’t take the devs too long to figure out how to crack through. I’ve been running Gingerbread (CM7) since late July. 

            I understand its an extra hoop to jump through but having quite a bit of experience with VZW I can’t imagine they would ever intentionally allow an unlocked device on their network (yeah, they had a few early on leak through but its not common now that the process is understood).

    • Justin Kos

      the way you phrased that got me to think i wasnt already turned in the direction of the gnex

  • Anonymous

    Pass

  • Anonymous

    safety? its a bootloader not a chainsaw

    • palomosan

      Those are just excuses by Moto, they’re not Devs friendly.

      • Anonymous

        Totally agreee with you on that point.  What happened to Moto saying they will unlock their devices at the end of 2011???

        Maybe they were talking about unlocking their new Fat Burning Calorie Counter device they just presented LOL!!! This is Mobile not a fitness convention 😛

      • PSU_DI

        I don’t think it’s just Moto… Its Verizon that isn’t dev friendly.  I doubt we’ll ever see an unlocked HTC either on Verizon.   

    • Anonymous

      I, for one, can appreciate the safety aspect. I was carrying a phone with an unlocked boot loader and got attacked by a pack of rabid wolves. Never again, thanks Motorola!

      • Eric Elliott

        I just laughed out loud.  Thanks for that Timoh.

      • Anonymous

        This looked like a decent phone… this is a shame.

      • Anonymous

        Your comment reminded me of a Far Side comic called Luposlipaphobia: the fear of being pursued by timber wolves around a kitchen table while wearing socks on a newly waxed floor…google it…the illustration is priceless!

    • Anonymous

      This pretty just made this phone an impossible sell.

      • Anonymous

        There are more normal people than geeks, so let’s see about that.

      • Anonymous

        you do realize that probably 90 percent or more of the people that buy phones don’t care about CM, MIUI, Rooting or bootloaders.

        • Anonymous

          except you can have CM, MIUI and rooting still with a locked bootloader thanks to 2nd-int.

          • Anonymous

            Great for those phones. But did you not understand what I wrote?? I said most people don’t care about CM, MIUI, ROMs, rooting or bootloaders. Not that you can’t get CM, MIUI, ROMs, root with a locked bootloader. This phone will sell because it is fast, thin and looks nice.

          • Anonymous

            No question. My point is that a locked bootloader (and really it’s not about locked, it’s about being encrypted) is becoming less and less relevant. 

          • Crazymofoster

             correct,but the devs don’t stay with it. You get an initial port and then support is abandoned. It’s not as smooth. (MIUI on droid x). screw verizon and motorola for listening to them. I will never get another motorola, unless google makes them unlock the bootloader on one

        •  But those 90% ask asking us 10% which phone to buy. And I, for one, will be saying “not the motorola”.

          • Then you would be giving those 90% bad advice since they have no business messing around with an unlocked bootloader anyway

          • TexasHorns88

            That’s not my problem, that’s for Motorola to consider.  When it comes to technology, I’m self-interested first and foremost.  The person who has no business messing around with an unlocked bootloader likely has no ability or appreciation for the hardware they’re handling, so what’s the difference if I were to tell them to get a Galaxy Nexus or HTC Rezound?  Either way they’re probably getting a phone with much more horsepower than they’ll ever put into use and will still be able to do everything they likely need it to.

            Word-of-mouth is one of the most sought after and coveted aspects any retail seller of a product could hope to garner.  Motorola/Verizon have made the conscious decision that they would rather ignore the requests and desires of the most interested, knowledgeable, and informed users of their products in the belief that they’ll make more money by trying to nickel and dime the larger, less knowledgeable users.

            Refusing to pimp the products of that company and/or avidly diverting people’s business elsewhere is a reaction to their conscious decision–not vice versa.

          • Anonymous

            I agree with Jake. Why would you tell them no to a phone that is clearly superior to everything else on the market right now. You are giving them horrible advice. If they are one of those 90%, they don’t care about bootloaders. That’s like telling someone not to get BMW cause you can’t do some aftermarket mod to it that most people would never do to begin with.

          • Anonymous

            So getting advice from you is a dumb idea.

            Oh, and it is more like 99.9% don’t care.  There are 1M Android phones activated daily, and how many will downloaded CM7 or another custom ROM?  What, 300-400k tops in total?  Do the math.

        • Anonymous

          You also realize that 90% or more of people looking to get a new phone are going to choose a 6 month old phone that’s only $99 vs. a brand new phone that’s $299 if they can’t tell the difference between them.

          If the i*hone is cheaper, the masses will pick it up anyway unless there’s something spectacular about it.

    • Eddie

       rommer’s gonna rom. and if you’re already installing a rom, you are less likely to brick your device if you have an unencrypted bootloader you can actually modify. i never had to SBF my droid, but my droid 2 I’ve had to SBF a few times due to kernel incompatibilities. Thanks for protecting me, motorola!

    • Nemesis15

      No it’s a Razr

  • Firelight

    #FAIL

  • droidify

    so will the Galaxy Nexus be locked? Same carrier.

  • Jmechy

    A droid razr running CM would have been a killer device.  Without the unlocked bootloader I have no reason to choose it over the Galaxy Nexus.

  • Gerrard8199

    There go the sales!!!!

  • 2nd-init.

    • Anonymous

      Is that even a sure thing for this hardware?

  • shdowman

    Did ANY of you really expect anything different???

    • EC8CH

      nope

  • Locked per the request of the carrier? Uhoh…. hopefully this isn’t a sign of things to come tonight for the Galaxy Nexus…

    thanks for the heads up Dan!

    • Tom

      I doubt that will be the case… Nexus phones are controlled by Google, not the carrier. It will be the biggest mistake of Verizon to lock that down, because that will cause people to jump ship.

      • not to mention that the nexus line is targeted at being a dev phone.

      • bigrob60

        Which is why I’m waiting until Kellex gets his hands on it. He has hinted that the VZW one might not be a “true” nexus device like the others. 

      • Anonymous

        It will be lock.

  • Wow the one chance for Motorola to really redeem themselves with many people here down the drain. At least unlock the Bionic after releasing the RAZR only 2 months later.

    • HD

      Bionic= who cares: bad screen, too thick, no Kevlar, not water resistant, slow 1 Ghz, etc.
      You wasted your $ bro.

      • Anonymous

        stfu

        • Anonymous

          Would you happen to be mad, broski?

          • Anonymous

            Yup, stupid people anger me.

    • Jeff

      it’s not motorola, it’s verizon.

      • kurttrail

        The Xoom is on Verizon, and it’s unlockable, so I’m not buying that excuse.

  • You have to ask?

  • Anonymous

    Nexus Prime, come to me, now

  • Anonymous

    Does this mean that the international version will not be locked?

  • John

    Yes.  I’m not interested in a phone with a locked bootloader.

  • Not sure, based on the lower screen resolution, blur, and locked bootloader, why anyone would consider buying this over the Nexus.

    Maybe that’s just me though.

  • TheAndroid1

    Imagine if this was the nexus device (stock android and updated by google with an unlocked bootloader)

    It would have been perfect

    Lets hope tonight doesn’t lead to the same disappointment.

  • Anonymous

    RAZR -= 1;
    G-Nexus++;