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Dear Motorola: “Late 2011” Is Approaching Fast, We Should Make the DROID RAZR Your First Unlocked Phone

As we move later and later into 2011, we arrive closer and closer to Motorola’s self-imposed timeline for bootloader unlocking. They have said on numerous occasions now that in “late 2011” they would start to unlock phones “where operator and channel partners will allow it.” I’d say it’s time for us all to revisit this situation again, especially with the DROID RAZR only days from being unveiled.  

Can you imagine a better time than now for Moto to decide to unlock their first bootloader? With the RAZR having to compete directly with the Galaxy Nexus…scratch that – can it compete with the G-Nex? We ran a poll just last week asking if readers were going to make Google’s new phone their next and the response was an emphatic, “YES.” Out of almost 10,000 votes, more than half said that they had planned to get it with another 3,000 leaning towards pulling the trigger. Less than 1% actually said no. And you know why the G-Nex is going to be huge? Because it’s unlocked, runs Ice Cream Sandwich and is on Verizon.

The RAZR currently only matches one of those 3 selling points: the Verizon part. Now I would put money on the idea that if they chose to unlock this phone, that it would have a chance to be as big or bigger than any of their previous phones. I’m sure they will toss a huge marketing campaign behind it since they are bringing back the RAZR name, but the ever growing developer community – who helped bring them back from the dead by supporting the original DROID for years – is going to continue to have a hard time looking anywhere near it. You unlock that bootloader though, and you have a completely different situation on your hands.

I see at times, people trying to discredit the amount of influence that developers of ROMs, themes and other root-only smartphone works have on things like sales numbers. Why though? Look at the original DROID, the EVO, the Incredible and now Thunderbolt. These were all nice phones to begin with, but they were made even more special by the support they received from a talented group of enthusiasts. If there is a way to create long-lasting buzz, you give the Android world a phone that is easily unlocked and we will flock to it. While there may be little way to track that kind of importance, I can tell you first hand that my inbox and our comments certainly tell quite the story.

So Moto, here is the community asking that you give back. It’s time to revisit your bootloader policy starting with the DROID RAZR.

  • Anonymous

    Hopefully, with the stockholders voting on the Google merger soon, this’ll happen within the next couple of phones.

  • Anonymous

    here, here!

  • Guest

    Why don’t you write your letter to Google?  Derp.

  • Derkk

     “where operator and channel partners will allow it.”  This is the big key here. Bootloaders weren’t locked until Verizon came around. I would be shocked if Verizon gets a motorola unlocked bootloader ever again.  The droid was the only one that I know of that got it. I have since moved on from Big Red and enjoying unlocked bootloader <3.

  • Me

    Dear verizon I don’t need an unlocked bootloader what I needed verizon stop puttin s*** where on my phone

  • Me

    99 percent of smartphone owners could care less about locked bootloaders

  • Me

    Ha ha people here think their in the majority when in reality they are minorities and have no effect on sales

  • Anonymous

    … moto = false promising = poor sales of somewhat cool phones (atrix)

  • “where operator and channel partners will allow it.”VZW is never one of those partners. I still wonder how the GN’s bootloader is going to play out.

  • ok so according to statements moto has made in the past, wouldn’t they unblock earlier devices first? like x2, bionic, etc?

  • Anonymous

    Motorola is going to blow this opportunity to bring to market THE Android phone that everyone can love. Weather you liked the phone or not everybody either had a Razr, or knew someone who did. This could be the phone that resurrects Motorola again if marketed correctly. 3 simple things slim design, latest software, every carrier, not just Verizon. It wouldn’t hurt to be unlocked and pure on top of that. I’m sure this Won’t happen so the razr will be another smartphone amung many that will be enjoyed by few while Samsung and Apple continue to sell millions of their GS11’s and IPhones’s.

  • Anonymous

    /agree

  • Justin Kos

    motorola lost my buisness once i picked up a samsung device

  • Anonymous

    I love articles like these Kellex. I like I nice mix of news and editorials. Keep the great journalism coming out of the Droid Life crew. And yes I think Motorola needs to return the favor and unlock their phones. What is the big downside for them? 

  • Anonymous

    tiny.cc/qcfnd

  • Anonymous

    How can you tell from that low resolution picture? It just looks blurry to me. The pentile complaining is overblown, RGBG even looks better than RGBW.

  • Anonymous

    al.ly/SVZ

  • Anonymous

    I doubt Motorola will ever unlock bootloaders in any significant way. “Where operator and channel partners allow” is code for “Probably not going to happen, and if it does it will almost definitely not be for Verizon phones (thus who cares?) and if it does by some miracle come to Verizon phones it will not be to all of them, or won’t be for phones still under contract”

    HTC by and large just went ahead and did it, just unlocked the phones.

  • Anonymous

    Why do 9 out 10 Moto phones look so ugly, you know, like a shoe box? 

  • Follow Operation Motorola BootLoader Freedom #OMBF http://twitter.com/#!/MotoBootLoader 

  • Anonymous

    If you want high quality pictures you don’t use a camera phone, none of them compare to a dslr. You might want to wait for the device to actually come out before proclaiming it as being bad as well. The Bionic takes good shots for the most part, buggy camera software doesn’t mean its a bad camera.

  • Anonymous

    Because prime isn’t silly at all, everyone loves that goofball transformers series.

  • Anonymous

    The droid brand is going to killed by Motorola.

  • SamIam

    HTC said they would start unlocking phones pretty much immediately.  That was ~6 months ago.  How they doing with that?

    My point is, neither HTC or Motorola are in control of this situation…the carriers are.  The geeks are just pissed that Motorola has the engineers knowledgeable enough to actually lock down their device properly…HTC, not so much.  Samsung?  They’re too busy shoehorning the latest & greatest components into something that resembles a smartphone & pushing it out the door before anyone else, no matter how many problems it has.

    • SamIam

      I just looked it up:  http://htcdev.com/bootloader

      Since they announced their plan to unlock their phones all of 1 model available in the US has been unlocked by HTC.  At least Motorola has been honest about the situation.  HTC came out saying they would unlock everything then in small prints admitted that it was really up to the carriers.

  • Ray

    Im so over motorola I had the OGD, D2G,DX, XOOM and now its just time to move on.

  • Anonymous

    Huh, just noticed that the headline should probably read: “you should make…” or “we think you should…” ?

  • Thesaber2000

    Well said kellex. And couldn’t agree more

  • RW-1

     “where operator and channel partners will allow it.”

    VZ allowing anything lately?

    Like I keep on saying, Moto will say anything to get you to buy the stuff, then wait for a promise unkept.

    Only now are some seeing 4G upgrades to their Xoom’s …

    • SamIam

      What?  Motorola admitted from the start that they would try, but that it was really up to the carriers.  It was HTC that put on a big show about unlocking all their phones & then later admitted it was really up to the carriers.

      So how is HTC doing with that?  Here in the US they’ve managed to unlock 1 model.  

      See for yourself:  http://htcdev.com/bootloader

  • It’s no longer the big deal it was. With 2nd init, it’s no longer the obstacle it was, as Cyanogenmod booting on the Bionic shows. Do I want unlocked bootloaders? Heck yes, it means that more people will be able to easily work with it.

    And honestly, it’s Nexus or bust for me at this point. Motorola had their chance with me. I was a pretty loyal customer, but I just don’t understand them anymore.

    I will say that unlocking the bootloader will only help them at this point. They need all the help they can get.

  • Anonymous

    I have only owned Motorola devices (OG and X) thus far and been mostly pleased. Build quality is quite good, updates are timely, and dev support is solid. I was fully anticipating buying the Nexus on release day, but now I’m not so sure. If Samsung’s beast has a skin or bloatware, it’s anyones game. If that happens AND Motorola listens and gives us what we want (unlocked bootloader), then that may sway me back into Moto’s arms. The RAZR is a great looking phone and sounds like they’ve learned a lot from the Bionic.

  • shootAngelsface77

    When angelface gets here anyone who has insulted Moto is in biiig trouble. He will call you names, tell u to go back to some midwest state, and remind you to take your cialis!

    • LiterofCola

      lol, I was thinking the same thing. Don’t forget that he consistently butchers the English language.

  • Anonymous

    I will be utterly elated if in response to the impending purchase of Moto Mobility that it runs stock gingerbread with the upgrade to ICS rolling out in time for CES. Yeah I know wishful thinking huh

  • My phone is better than your phone ;P

  • If this was unlocked I would buy it over the nexus. Better screen and battery life. I also kind of like its odd looks.

    • EC8CH

      homely phones try harder 😉

    • How is it a better screen?

      • superAMOLED vs SuperAMOLED+ is what I heard

        • But I thought prime will be HD while the rzor will be qhd?

          • Anonymous

            pentile < RGB stripe, even if the former has a higher resolution.

  • Anonymous

    That was written very well and spot on!

    I owned the D1 and loved it. But trying to continue my enjoyment with the D2 and DX left me very unhappy so I had to leave Motorola. Sadly I can’t come back till the policy of encryption has ended.

    Motorola crashed what could have been an amazing wave.

  • Anonymous

    If they unlocked this phone and it runs ICS, I wouldnt even be considering the G-Nex to replace my OG Droid. I have always been happy with Moto’s hardware, and my Droid is still going strong 2 years later!  As it stands reight now, I am leaning toward the G-Nax. You hear that Motorola? A long time Motorola owner is looking at switching to another company because you all have your phones on lockdown!

  • perhaps by that they simply meant that they won’t plug the exploit that’s been found but aren’t going to just give it to us.

  • Anonymous

    Amen.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t really think Moto will unlock bootloaders….ever. They just made that statement to calm consumers.

  • Anonymous

    But the difference between the RAZR and the Nexus…
    The RAZR will actually be released sometime within the next century!

    #butthurt

  • Anonymous

    I really don’t feel like these companies care about our communities and rightly so.  We don’t make them any money in comparison to the average consumer.  The average consumer has no clue about ROMS, themes, rooting, it’s just such a small percentage of people that they just don’t care about letting our community down. 

    It will not affect their sales, so they just aren’t going to put any money/time/research behind unlocking devices.

    • Anonymous

      I totally disagree. You get blogs like this excited about a phone, we help get communities excited and then things snowball.

      • Anonymous

        Hypebeastin lol jjk

      • true but what percentage does this community make up?

        • EC8CH

          OVER 9000!

      • Anonymous

        I completely agree.  I am the main person most of the non-tech people I know go to for electronics advice and I am pretty sure I’m not an exception.  While our community may be small, our influence to the “normal consumer” is quite large.  

      • Anonymous

        Kellex, hopefully I didn’t insult you personally, I highly respect what you do and this site.  I am a writer myself(film), I was more pointing out that these big corporations, like many, don’t see the importance of these websites and their communities. 

    • Anonymous

       I disagree.  Samsung is the one company that has embraced the dev community.  Not only did it give the CM team SGS II phones for free to start developing CM, they also hired some of their devs to work for them.  Now granted, those guys aren’t going to be cooking roms while working for Samsung, but it does show that Samsung recognizes what the dev community can do. 

      If you look over at XDA, the Sammy phones seem to be the most popular and most developed.  HTC has a good following, but it largely falls off for Moto due to the locked boot loaders.  I know one prominent dev at XDA chucked the Atrix and went back to the Captivate since the Atrix was such a pain to work with.

  • Jason Purp

    I don’t notice any significant difference in terms of developer work/support for devices with locked bootloaders vs devices with unlocked ones, and I see that many others agree. I guess the IDEA of having an unlocked one is nice, but I don’t see the importance.

    Anyway, I’m looking at the Galaxy Nexus and nothing else. The RAZR will have physical buttons, and I want the most out of ICS, so the Nexus is the obvious choice.

    • Scott

      The idea of an unlocked one is essential.  Quite frankly, if there wasn’t awesome communities and developers that made ROMS and rooting methods, I would most likely get an Iphone.  My OG Droid was terrible for the most part until I put CM7 on it.  Prior to that, it was slow, laggy, and had useless bloatware on it.  Had it not been for that, this would have been my last Android phone.

      • Jason Purp

        lol, I don’t see how that explains why unlocked bootloaders are favorable to a normal root user. I can install CM7 and MIUI and everything else just fine on my locked Droid Incredible 2.

        • Anonymous

           Most users may not realize it until shown.  My parents had Captivates and saw that mine was so much smoother than theirs.  They asked why and I explained the benefits of using custom roms.  Next think you know, I’m rooting both of their phones and loading Cognition on them.  They were much happier afterwards.

          The dev/hacking community is increasing.  I know a lot of people who wouldn’t even have thought about rooting their phones a year ago now really getting into it.  I wouldn’t be so dismissive of the average user.  It’s not that they don’t care about it (though there are those that don’t).  It’s that many don’t know what they’re capable of.

      • so was the iPhone 3gs which had the same internals

  • Interstellarmind

    well, done, Kellex.

    MOTO listen up!! You lost me to HTC (and now maybe samsung)… don’t lost any more customers.

    Android Smartphones I’ve owned: Droid (OG), Droid X (custom ROMed), HTC Thunderbolt (custom ROMed), Droid Charge…
    Phones I will probably own: Galaxy Nexus/ HTC Vigor (Rezound??)

    • Interstellarmind

      lost=lose*

  • I’ll believe it when I see it with my own eyes. Until then, I have no faith in Motorola following through with this, nor Verizon actually allowing it.

  • In the past, I was pro-unlocked bootloader, but I am giving it a second thought after Google announced its plan to acquire Motorola. Now, I will be satisfied if the new “Motorola” does the following:

    1) Release all its future phone with stock Android — there’s really no excuse. I mean, if Google doesn’t believe in its own stock UI, how can it convince other handset makers not to create custom skin.

    2) Google takes up the responsibility to update all Motorola released Android phones. Again, there should not be any excuse. Google would have control both the hardware and software, if it can’t update its OWN phones in a timely manner, how can it expect other handset makers to do the same.

    If the new Google/Motorola can do the 2 things above, I am ok with an locked bootloader. Of course, it’d be better if they also let us unlock their phones.

    • I like Motorola always was one of the first with updates with that said why would you buy a Motorola product when the nexus is coming out

  • I just bought a 32 GB micro Sd card and my friend just informed me that the Nexus Prime won’t have a SD slot? WTF !!??!?!

    Where am I to put all my HD videos to watch on that beautiful 4.65 in. screen when about 2 GB of memory is partitioned for the operating system, 16 GB of music is stored on my phone (that used to be on an SD card), and a lot of apps and games that can’t be moved to the SD card? Come on Google, It’s 2011 almost 2012. Include a micro SD slot for crying out loud!!!

    • Interstellarmind

      is this true? no SD Card slot on g-nex?

      where the hell is the htc vigor!?!?!

    • I don’t think it has been confirmed…people are rumoring that it won’t have it because the nexcus s did not have one…but I haven’t heard anything relating to the droid prime

    • Jstew182

      I will take your 32gb micro SD for my Xoom since you wont be needing it then! 🙂

    • Anonymous

      If that is actually true, blame Samsung, not Google. Samsung designed the phone.

      • Vaporware

         Nope. Blame Google. Google has wanted to drop SD card support starting with 3.0. Hence the debacle with getting SD card support on the Xoom.

        • Anonymous

          I don’t think they want to drop it, it just hasn’t been a priority to re-add it.

    • EC8CH

      I’ll give you 5 bucks for it 🙂

    • it’s all about the cloud

  • Boblevel

    Well written Kellex, thanks for bringing this to the forefront again. I, for one, will not buy another Moto product that is locked down, the X will be my last. EVER! And I’m not a dev, just an ordinary tech enthusiast. The Samsung Nexus line will have my money for now, until Moto finally comes to it’s senses… 

  • How many comments to we get a day on these new phones stating: “Looks awesome!  I think I’m going to wait and see if it will have a decent dev community before switching though.”

    The DEVS are important.
    They help us decide if we even want the phone or not!

    • Definitely. If my original Droid wasn’t able to do custom ROMs, I would have moved on a long time ago from it. I upgrade nightlies occasionally when I see a new setting that I feel like playing with. Without the development community, I wouldn’t be as happy with android based on having to deal with company-skinned roms. Ick.

      • Anonymous

        With custom launchers and metamorph/theming you don’t have to deal with the stock skin, at least on non HTC phones since Sense modifies practically everything.

    • I’m totally with you on this.. but nexus will have a dev community behind it.. 

      both from the open source sector and google itself.. how much better of a dev crew can you ask for?

  • JP

    You tell ’em, SteveDave!

  • Anonymous

    Now all that’s left is to send this to Moto/Google. 

  • Dave

    I think the key phrase here is ““where operator and channel partners will allow it.” I wonder if they are going to pull a lame excuse like Verizon opting not to allowing them to unlock their bootloaders…even though the G-Nex will more than likely be unlockable.

  • Anonymous

    “Dear Google: ‘Nov. 3rd’ is approaching fast, you should make an announcement about the Galaxy Nexus being Verizon’s first Nexus phone.”

  • JRummy16

    amen

  • Jak_341

    The bigger question is: does anyone really care that the RAZR is coming out? With the Prime nearing arrival, I can’t see any reason that anyone would push out a phone now.

    • Anonymous

      Exactly! I still don’t get why there’s so much coverage of this crap on DL. It’s just a different shell on a bionic, with a slightly better processor and a stupid name. Who the hell cares?

      • Keith Sumner

        The same could be said for any of the phones and technology we discuss here. 

      • Anonymous

        Its called Droid Life.  Go make a site called Nexus Life or something and complain over there that you have an outdated phone already!!!  I am so sick of all this Nexus crap.  The phone WILL be locked down on Verizon.  It may run vanilla but TouchWiz is soon to follow.  Verizon will never allow it to be vanilla or no bloat.  As for the Moto hate, guess what its a phone that I need to make calls, so better call quality and better radios trump anything over processor and screen.  And guess what??  Nexus WILL be Pentile so your screen won’t be much better.

        • EC8CH

          Well… I think you’re wrong… :-)~

          • Anonymous

            Really??  Which part?  Wait lets look at the facts that are currently present:
            1)  Amount of phones on Verizon that are unlocked….zero2)  Moto is faster at pushing updates then any other manufacturer… Galaxy S and Thunderbolt update debacles to name a few.3)  Moto has better battery life then most and currently has the best LTE battery life.

            4)  Moto call quality and signal strength better then Samsung and HTC combined.

            etc……
            All the Galaxy Nexus….or Nexus Prime….or Galaxy Prime….or whatever is just rumors as what it is or what it has going for it.  I mean they can’t even get a name picked!!!!

            Everyone has their opinions but the bashing that goes on here is just appalling anymore.

          • Some Random Dude

            u mad?

          • EC8CH

            1. lots of phones on Verizon with non-encrypted bootloaders (those with are all post OGD Motos)
            2. Google is faster
            3. Guess we’ll see if G-Nex is better
            4. Ok I guess I don’t care

            You sound mad and silly.

          • Anonymous

            1) Well there is a difference between non-encrypted and unlocked.
            2) Google has never pushed through Verizon, so we shall see about that.
            3) Reports are saying the battery life is not that good on the G-Nex
            4) You do realize it is a phone, right?  A phone is used to make phone calls.  So it is kind of important.

            I wouldn’t say mad, just more irritated at everyone going off the deep end with this Nexus assumption when everyone will soon be complaining that it isn’t a quad core just like everyone complained that the Nexus S didn’t have dual core.

          • The google nexus and the razoor will both be great phones don’t understand all the hate

          • EC8CH

            You’re claiming that if the G-Nex is coming to Verizon, Google will somehow compromise everything that it means to be a Nexus Device…

            that’s what I think you’re wrong about.

            Kellex and zepfloyd have been pretty clear the Galaxy Nexus is coming to Verizon and it will be a true Nexus device. This fact alone is what is exciting to many readers here.

          • Vaporware

             I agree with most of your post. It will be vanilla ICS but it WILL have Verizon bloatware, that is not going to change. The only device Verizon will leave their bloatware off of is the iDevice because it will sell millions where the G-Nex will sell thousands.

          • EC8CH
          • Vaporware

            That list is meaningless until the device is in final form.

          • EC8CH

            while it’s not a guarantee that it will be bloat free, it’s not exactly meaningless. 

          • Anonymous

            Bloatware is one of the last things to be added before the phone is shipped.

          • Anonymous

            Nowhere in the Verizon system does it call out nexus. It does call out Samsung prime, so will there be a phone that is good specs with ics…yes…..will it be a nexus we will have to see. And if its not…..bloat!

          • Anonymous

            One thing you said that I agree with…. soon everyone will be complaining about something. Not that it’s not quad core, but it will be something.  There always has to be someone to rain on everyone’s parade.  

            At the moment it seems to be you. 

          • Anonymous

            Its called being a realist. Don’t get me wrong, it would be awesome if a true nexus came out but I don’t see it happening. And as for raining on everyone’s parade, just stating the obvious since everyone one this site seems to only care about the uber-nerd specs that the average consumer doesn’t care about.

          • Anonymous

            You came to the wrong site if you’re looking for opinions based on average user.

          • Anonymous

            And that is the other part of the problem. The site used to be informative and had some industry I site and now it has turned into an iAndroid nerd site that just says if it isn’t unlocked, then it is gay and a piece of crap and don’t buy. Even the average power user with programing knowledge doesn’t care about this erroneous stuff.

          • Anonymous

            I agree the bootloader isn’t everything like some say. However this device is getting so much hype as its a combo of nexus device, new os and a great form factor. Once the vigor and razr get officially announced it’ll return to normal new phone hype.

          • LiterofCola

            Yeah, tell that to your fellow Moto fanboy Angelface

          • Anonymous

            That’s hitting below the belt….lol

          • Anonymous

            Samsung Fascinate, Droid Charge, XOOM, Galaxy TAb10.1, Droid Incredible, Thunderbolt, OG Droid, Droid Eris, and the XPeria Play all have unlockable bootloaders. The only encrypted bootloaders are Motorola’s Droid2, DROID2 global, Droid X, Droidx2, Droid3, and Droid Bionic.

          • Vaporware

             Don’t forget about the Xoom. It has an unlockable bootloader because it is a Google Experience Device. ANY device that Google labels a GED will have an unlockable bootloader regardless of carrier.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t think Verizon cares about tablets being unlocked. But I hope your theory is correct or there will be a lot of angry people. And when I say people I mean the uber-nerds on here because the general public could care less because they don’t know what a bootloader is…

          • Vaporware

            Agree for the most part. 

        • Kianjudah

          I hope you’re not serious with those outlandish claims. Seriously. 

        • trumpet444

          I highly doubt it. The only way it’ll be locked down is if it is NOT called a Nexus. RAZR very well may be locked down though. 

        • Anonymous

          We are on the same boat. Only geeks care about unlock bootloader. Moto has what all devices should have, good radios, sound quality.

      • yea don’t be stupid some people don’t want the nexus and the rzor is shaping up to be a damn good phone

        • Anonymous

          You’re right, I’m so stupid. The Nexus is a piece of crap, and the RAZR will be the greatest phone of all time. Also, the name “Droid RAZR” isn’t in the least bit silly or 90s-esque.

          • Anonymous

            Because prime isn’t silly at all, everyone loves that goofball transformers series.

      • Anonymous

        Not sure how this phone can be considered “crap.” It’ll be thinner and have better battery life than the Nexus, a new Super AMOLED screen (no more pentile), a new camera, and likely the same exact processor.

        Don’t get me wrong, the Nexus is the device I have been waiting two years for and may by 15 just because I can’t believe VZW is finally getting one, but the RAZR is going to be a stellar device.

        • EC8CH

          exactly… it looks like Moto is taking a couple of small steps in the right direction (screen, cam) with the RAZR….

          Now they just need to make that one big leap and unlock their bootloader!

          • Anonymous

            Not that I care THAT much about phone cameras, but I’m still gonna be wary about the RAZR’s camera till it comes out. Pretty much every moto phone since the OGD has been lauded as having an “improved camera,” yet has ended up worse than the competition. Again, reserving judgement, but I’m wary at this point.

          • Anonymous

            If you want high quality pictures you don’t use a camera phone, none of them compare to a dslr. You might want to wait for the device to actually come out before proclaiming it as being bad as well. The Bionic takes good shots for the most part, buggy camera software doesn’t mean its a bad camera.

          • Anonymous

            Hey, thanks for ignoring everything I just said. I’ll be sure to return the favor from now on.

          • Anonymous

            Maybe you should read your own comment.  Don’t make stupid comments if you don’t like the responses.

          • Anonymous

            I said I don’t “care that much about phone cameras,” and that I was “reserving judgement, but wary at this point” about the RAZR’s camera. What about that says I want DSLR-quality cameras? What about that is a proclamation of the RAZR’s camera as crap? You are an idiot and a troll. Get off of this site.

          • Anonymous

            You also said “every moto phone since the OGD has been lauded as having an “improved camera,” yet has ended up worse than the competition.”  If you don’t care then why are you whining about it?  Especially when the Bionic doesn’t take crappy pictures, contrary to what moron’s parrot who don’t actually own the phone.  As I’ve said a thousand f*cking times, a focus bug under certain lighting conditions is a software issue NOT A SHITTY CAMERA!  The Bionic’s camera is infinitely better than the Droid’s.

            Now why don’t you go play in the street like a good little boy.

          • Anonymous

            Listen kid, all I said was that moto phones tend to have camera problems. I don’t care if they’re software or hardware; at the end of the day the camera ends up being shittier. I barely use my phone’s camera at all, and wouldn’t use it all that more often if/when I get a better one. Shitty camera software/hardware has little bearing on my opinion of the phone overall. I know that your mom worked hard to buy you that phone, but don’t feel like my comment makes your purchase a waste. It’s just, like, my opinion man. You don’t have to cry about it.

            Sheesh, where’s Mctypesomething when you need him?

          • Anonymous

            LOL a mom insult, how original. Keep crying about the camera that you claim not to care about, I’ll just keep laughing at the sheer stupidity you people invent to spew your hatred of all things Motorola. I mean why are you even here since you think the Spyder is crap and a waste of coverage? Save the dismissive rhetoric for someone who cares.

        • Vaporware

           Do we know for sure if this will see the Droid branding? If so, shouldn’t we be calling it the D-Raze :).

          • Anonymous

            it will be DROID branded.

        • Anonymous

          Ah, thank you for clarifying. I’m sorry if I sounded obnoxious before, I was just uninformed, which made me frustrated. The Super AMOLED is surprising, and intriguing, but other than that and the battery I’m not that stoked. I was never someone who cared that much about thickness or cameras (I’ve put up with an OG droid camera for two years, so anything’s good at this point). I agree, it sounds good, but I still find it a little lame next to the Nexus.

          Also, I stand by my opinion of the name.

        • Anonymous

          Could be better than the nexus out of the box 🙂

      • Anonymous

        The nexus prime is just a gs2 in a different shell, who the hell cares?

        • Anonymous

          It’s got a 720p screen and stock Ice Cream Sandwich.

          • Anonymous

            ICS is nice but all high end phones will be updated to it eventually or get a rom.

            I’ve said it a million times, these super high PPI displays are nothing more than a marketing bullet point for fanboys and tech geeks to argue over with zoomed in pictures.  I dare you to compare one of these 720p pentile screens to a nonpentile qHD screen like the Spyder is rumored to have.

          • Anonymous

            Cool story bro. You keep talking, I’ll just buy the Nexus and enjoy 720p videos.

          • Anonymous

            You mad bro?

      • Anonymous

        The device that you have is crappy.

        • Anonymous

          Well that’s an appropriate response, since I called the device that you have crap.

          Oh, wait…

          • Anonymous

            I have the great Bionic and DROIDX 2 🙂

          • Anonymous

            Okay, so
            1. I didn’t call either of them crap.
            2. Why? Why would you get a DX2 only to replace it with a Bionic so soon after?

          • Anonymous

            They gave it to me for the x. I have 2 lines. I might get the razor or nexus if it looks like the tmobile gs2. For some reason the gs2 in tmobile the colors are not saturate

          • Anonymous

            Really? Is this a problem on the AT&T one, too? My friend is getting it.

          • Anonymous

            People in here know that i have been putting samsung devices down because of the plastic and the saturate colors. The gs2 on tmobile is very nice fast, good front facing cam and it takes good pictures. If you are on tmobile go for it. The sg2 for sprint is not good, the colors of the front facing camera are oversaturate.

          • Anonymous

            I’m on vzw and hell bent on the nexus. However, I have a friend on AT&T. Do you know if the color problems extend to that version as well? He plans on getting it shortly, and may have already ordered it.

          • Anonymous

            I have not checked on at& t. I feel it has to do with the software that the carriers use. Maybe, the one on at& t will be good as well.

          • Anonymous

            Alright, thank you for the tip.

          • Anonymous

            Always bro

    • EC8CH

      I would maybe care if it the bootloader wasn’t encrypted and it was released running ICS with no buttons.

    • Anonymous

      It does when the Nexus battery life is going to be pretty bad.

      • Uh oh.  Thanks for the tip =]

      • EC8CH

        Heyyyy… Heyyyy… stop that!

        • Anonymous

          Not hearing great things about battery life from a couple of people. Blame LTE!

          • EC8CH

            Oh well… then sell a good charging dock and we’ll call it even.

          • Anonymous

            I’m not sure how much of a problem this really is though.  The LTE radio can be shut off for most of the day and turned on when required.  Wouldn’t be surprised if you could automate that based on usage.  

          • Anonymous

            Any word on NFC for the Droid RAZR? 

            Besides getting updates direct from Google and vanilla/unlocked Android, it’s the main reason I’d go with the Galaxy Nexus… thanks in advance!

          • KRSwon

            Kellex, have you heard any more of the Bullet you reported back in April? *fingers crossed for quad-core.”
            Maybe the “jet” will be the Droid 4- kal-el, lte, nfc, 720hd, 1.5 ram, 12mp shooter (or 8 with better optics)… oh yeah, shipped with ICS 🙂 Motorola should have this ready for January consumption, lol.

            After the Galaxy Prime is released, everyone will just be concerned with who will have the first quad core with ICS anyways. So here’s a poll:
            What would people rather have- nexus with dual core or a locked bootloader quad core? After hearing. Everyone complain whether or not it would have the omap or Schnieder, just got me curious..

          • KRSwon

            *omap or exynos …. stupid auto correct.

          • I’m waiting for the Schnieder

          • Anonymous

            its spelled Schneider

          • Anonymous

            Another grammar nazi lol.

          • brick

            You mean spelling.

          • Anonymous

            Both 🙂

          • Selling point for the G-Nex for me is purely that updates come from Google, not a slow-ass skinned version. Blur will be the death of me…

          • Anonymous

            Nexus dual core over locked anything. I left Motorola for just this reason even though I like their phones.

        • Anonymous

          What if I told you there’s also definitely another Exynos LTE device in the pipe too?

          • EC8CH

            I can handle it 🙂

            The Galaxy S train needs to keep moving into the future.

          • Anonymous

            There always will be something better in the pipe. I can deal with another phone with faster specs, just not new tech within a month or two. Plus I’m sure it’ll be a touchwiz device. Want nexus.

          • Anonymous

            It’s gonna have to be the Nexus for me.  Unless that pipe is shallow enough to squirt that other phone out in November.

          • KRSwon

            Pipe and a crepe? What about a cigar and a waffle?

          • Anonymous

            a flapjack und a shigarette? No? Shigar und a waffle?

          • KRSwon

            Bong and a blintz? No?
            ICS and Unlocked Bootloader?
            Oh, then there is no pleasing you

      • DroidzFX

        So we are taking one report from some unknown guy as facts?

        • EC8CH

          zepfloyd had a track record better than the average “unknown guy”

          • the only person that said it was black man x…he stated it last night but no one knows if he was serious…all he said was that it had bad battery life and that he uses 4gb in one day and his battery lasts 4 hrs…check it out he tweeted it.

          • Skynet

            Here is the quote: black_man_x The Panda King 
            Let me further clarify my battery statement.. I use about 4gb a day in data so I kill a bionic battery in 4 hours so to get 6 will be great

          • OG Droid

            Yeah id like to know if it compares to a bionic then I think were good. But a thunderbolt…. big problem

          • Anonymous

            Lol

        • Anonymous
          • what does that article have to do with battery life?

          • Anonymous

            From the article:

            “Lining up with earlier reports, the battery life of the Nexus Prime is said to be rather disappointing. This comes with the caveat that the phone was seeing heavy use with the screen set at full brightness, inevitably making battery life a concern when considering the massive 4.6-inch 720p display size.”

          • DroidzFX

             This comes with the caveat that the phone was seeing heavy use with the
            screen set at full brightness, inevitably making battery life a concern
            when considering the massive 4.6-inch 720p display size.

            I would not call that normal usage and again from a mystery man. Not saying its not true but I would not go around making comments like they are fact based on this information.

            Despite that I will still be buying the phone with an extended battery if need be.

          • DroidzFX

            I will carry a battery fanny pack for a Nexus on Verizon.

          • Anonymous

            LOL count me in. 

          • Anonymous

            I hope that moto go back to the build quality of the droidx. They went backwards with the bionic.

          • Still is speculation no pictures or anything on how the phone was used….I don’t think it will have good battery life but I tend to notice that people use their phones a lot more than i do so i don’t make judgment until I have it in my hand and use it the way I do…then i will give a judgment about battery life until then tho it means nothing to me

          • Anonymous

            I really don’t think you have to put in terms of speculations, as it is more or less common sense (no offense)

            1. This phone will still have the first generation LTE chip from Verizon, no 4G phone on verizon, perhaps maybe the Charge has good battery life. So even by chance the SGS 2 came to Verizon as an LTE phone, I would put my money that the phone will be as good as the battery life as the Charge. (maybe slightly better)

            2. The screen alone is running 720P, but has a massive real-estate that is 4.65″ 

            So to me you got winning combination that this thing will be quite the battery drainer. Then again, mileage does vary, so but I’m not putting a lot stock that during a normal day for me at least, this thing will last a day. 

          • No offense taken but that is what I said originally that the phone wont have better battery….but coming from testers is different than a normal user….all i am saying is battery life is different for every use and I believe the bionic has the best battery life out of all lte phones

          • Sporttster

            Don’t set mine at full brightness unless it’s in a cradle plugged in in the car. Moot point. With ROMS will come improved batt life. Not to mention extended batts if need be….

          • Vaporware

             Wow. Look at the battery icon in that picture. Same damn blocky pixels as all PenTile screens. Looks like 720p doesnt help :(.

          • Anonymous

            Why are you so upset?

        • FortitudineVincimus

          sure… happens everyday around here. they also call them “trusted sources” …wink wink

        • Anonymous

          No, any statement I share without a source is my own or my own direct contact. I don’t regurgitate crap from twitter or baseless rumors elsewhere. I have been flat out told the battery life is not great, and that so far in testing, the Spyder does much better. 

          And, IMO now, how can you be surprised? You’ve got a bigger screen at 720p, faster processor, (still) 1st gen LTE radio and a shiny new OS.

          What I’m trying to ascertain is if the Sypder is using the same radio the Bionic is, because given the phone’s profile and internal hype (yet lack of good leaking info) something about it must be very good. (Also the next run of Bionics has been cancelled, so must be fairly close to release)

          • Anonymous

            Could it be that they have ditched Blur? A skinless, unlocked Moto device.. now THAT would be something to hype.

          • Anonymous

            It’s not gone, but it is even lighter/less noticeable. Still murmurings of being unlockable, but keep it in the baseless rumor list for now.

          • Anonymous

            The leaked picture shows the same ui as the bionic but with more of a black theme then the blue.

          • Anonymous

            Then, it will be boring.

          • I have to say zepfloyd is always on point with his information. When I look at the comments I either look for his icon or for Kellex’s icon. By the way Zepfloyd, what’s your opinion on November 3rd as launch for the Nexus?

          • Vaporware

            Correct me if I am wrong please but didn’t Motorola develop its own LTE chip for the Bionic/Xoom? Isn’t that what took so long for the release of the Bionic/Xoom upgrade? Is it possible their solution is smaller and more efficient than the Qualcomm LTE chips the others manufacturers are using?

          • Jondormer

            its their own chip and its outdated hahaha moto lte chip is LTE v2 and everyone else is LTE v3

          • Anonymous

            No.

          • Anonymous

            Yes

          • KRSwon

            Maybe moto has been working on its CS fallback to save some battery?

          • OG Droid

            Would you say its on par with the bionic as far as battery or more thunderbolt? Need to know what pretty bad relates to as comparable phones please.

          • SamIam

            Battery life of Spyder should be just a bit better than Bionic…depending on your usage patterns, of course.

          • Anonymous

            I don’t belive

          • Anonymous

            It depends on the individual settings.

          • Anonymous

            It depends on the colors displayed for AMOLED, white draws the most power.

          • Anonymous

            The bionic has a good battery life. Let’s see if they improve the battery in this device.

          • DroidzFX

            I am not surprised as I stated in my comment posted below and my original comment was not directed towards you but to the phandroid article. Now if you have been flat out told that’s great but I don’t know you any better than the next guy on the internet. 

            I just don’t trust everything on the web and choose to make my own assessment once the device is actually released. 

          • Anonymous

            The spider will have good specs, thin and good radios.

        • You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about…….. Nuff said

          • DroidzFX

            and you use your real name on the internet…..Nuff said

      • Anonymous

        do we actually have any idea about this? I’d have to imagine google isn’t going to release the first ICS phone with shitty battery life

        • Anonymous

          Of course they can lol….they are releasing a phone that has a 720P display that encompass 4.65″ I don’t think give a rats ass, than to tell us not use it as much or get an extended battery. 

        • Ads

          We do in fact from people already using them on the network. I’ve gotten feedback from a few sources that say the battery life is pretty bad, IE worse then the Bionic is currently which is piss poor to say the least. That said the best I have seen from the screen shots I’ve gotten is about 6hrs from full charge to 5% left. 

          • Mannysaurus

            I doubt that what you said is true but just to put this out there…
            black_man_x said that the battery is BETTER than the Droid Bionic. If my math is correct, he goes 6 hours on the Nexus while he does 4 hours on the Bionic. Therefore, there is a 50% usage time increase. That doesn’t sound too bad. I’m not a heavy phone user and I definitely won’t be using 4GB/day.

          • no u got what he said wrong…he said he would be happy if the bionic would get 6hrs instead of 4 but I think he wasn’t talking about the bionic at all

      • Anonymous

        How specific can you be here?  4 hours bad or 10 hours bad?

        • Anonymous

          Tbolt -> Revolution  -> Charge  -> Vigor -> Nexus -> Bionic -> Spyder

          • Anonymous

            OUCH.

          • OG Droid

            I had a bionic for a few weeks; I would have to charge it once a day. Is it pretty comparable to it than I’d be happy.

          • Anonymous

            Thanks. That helps. 

          • Anonymous

            Can you confirm the Spyder has an AMOLED screen?  If so that’s pretty surprising that it would have better battery life than the Bionic, especially being thinner. Then again Android reports that the radio draws the most power on the Bionic so if they’ve optimized it better on the Spyder that would make sense.

          • Anonymous

            Great post as always. Is your bionic giving you problems? Mine works perfectly.

          • Anonymous

            No problems, just ok battery life.  Cell standby always has about 40-50% of the power draw whereas the display only uses about 10% or less. A friend’s Charge shows the display drawing about 60% or more of its power.

          • Anonymous

            Verizon need to enhance their lte so we can get better battery life.

      • Anonymous

        What are the numbers compared to something like the Bionic?  And if you turn off LTE how big of a difference does it make?

        • Anonymous

          Turning LTE off doesn’t seem to make a huge difference while idling, LTE sucks down the battery while it’s actually downloading though.

      • Justin Kos

        everyone says that about every phone

    • Anonymous

      I was wondering the same thing… honestly, I think moto has to do something special with this phone with the vigor and nexus waiting to come out.

    • Sporttster

      Exactly. To release this now would be suicide on Moto’s part. Who wants it? Locked down tight. Forget that. Going with freedom to update and control it how I choose. RAZR is a non-starter….

    • I would if I thought there were a chance that the bootloader would be unlocked. Moto has very good build quality and I’m turned off by the all but confirmed 4.65″ screen on the Nexus. If I knew I could get ICS as soon as devs could make it available, I’d probably buy it.

    • Jdbailey18

      call me stupid, but yes, I care that the razr is coming. The Prime is going to be unbelievable I’m sure, but….it’s a samsung and that just doesn’t work for me. I don’t even have a good reason, but i have to have a motorola phone.

      • Anonymous

        You took the words out of my mouth. Nobody cant compete with moto.

        • angelface for president

          You do know that the way you worded your statement means that every manufacturer can compete with Motorola and not the opposite, but I’m sure you knew that genius.

          • Anonymous

            You know moto is better :).

          • Adam Elghor

            fanboy…..

          • Anonymous

            I’m a fan of good products.

      • KRSwon

        Give it a smaller 4″ screen with on screen buttons a la ICS (a la mode?) and a keyboard call it a DROID StarTac and I’ll take it.

        • Anonymous

          Liked just for the “Droid StarTac” name. Moto should totally use that.

      • I’ve always been partial to HTC but lately I’ve been leaning towards Samsung.  They are undeniably the most sleek, and their screens blow everything else on the market outta the water.

        • Anonymous

          They feel so _plasticky_ though… I want to like them (the screens _are_ awesome), but I just can’t. Here’s hoping Moto comes out with something Verizon, OMAP4, 720p, and unlocked soon. I’d like to see a “Droid Classic” or something.

    • Anonymous

      i happen to care quite a bit…as i’ve said numerous times, samsung is junk

    • CaptM

      Here we go again, this is the exact same thing that happened with the Bionic, except it was the SGII and not the Prime that was going to kill the Moto phone.
      Are you people all about hating Moto or are you just always going to climb on the next “Big Release” that’s not out yet?

    • Anonymous

      Personally I prefer MOTO devices because of their radios and ability to get better connectivity. This is unique to where I live but compared to several other brands, I always have superior data speeds and voice clarity. You can add all the specs you want but if I can’t connect or the voice is dropping calls, who cares.

  • Jak_341

    The bigger question is: does anyone really care that the RAZR is coming out? With the Prime nearing arrival, I can’t see any reason that anyone would push out a phone now.

  • Anonymous

    Some of those people may have said no because they are not eligible for an upgrade yet or are waiting for something else that still doesn’t mean they would pick up the RAZR.

  • GotSka81

    Fat chance…I won’t hold my breath for moto to ever decrypt a bootloader on any of their phones, especially Verizon.  Ignore the Atrix, that was a fluke.

  • FortitudineVincimus

    where is the Galaxy Nexus?

  • Still waiting on an official unlock for my ATRIX.

    • Anonymous

      The atrix has been unlocked for awhile.

  • Anonymous

    Pitting the RAZR against the G-Nex assumes there will actually be a G-Nex. It sure has taken Google/Sammy a long time to announce a rescheduled time to actually announce this device. I’m starting to wonder….But ignore me, this is just my fear of growing old(er) with my already broken OG talking.

    • EC8CH

      After this there with be G-Nex….

      The G-Nex is a lie……… 

      OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I think we are already IN late 2011. They will prob push it down to the wire though. 12/31/11 11:59:59 pm.

    •  It’s early October?  We have plenty of time left in 2011 for them to unlock it.  That doesn’t mean I think they will, but they certainly haven’t run out of time with almost three months left.