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Verizon Looks to End 3G Service, Go All 4G LTE By 2013?

Let’s hope they plan on investing in some battery technology as well then. Earlier today, Tony Melone, the man responsible for the roll out of Verizons LTE network held a Q&A with reporters in Texas at the TIA conference. A few important things were said by Verizon’s CTO of Communications, the most important to us is that he is nudging at the end of 3G service altogether by the year 2013. Stating that all devices should have LTE capability by the end of 2012, and that in 2013 some devices might not even come with 3G radios depending on how the consumer market responds to the LTE deployment. Verizon has already told us that they want 4G across 2/3 of the US by 2013, so this makes sense. This also brings on the continued development of voLTE (voice over LTE). Back in February was the worlds first ever voLTE call and now we are nearing a time of nothing but.

How do you feel about the dawn of a new LTE era? No more 3G. Optimistic about the future?

Via:  GigaOM

  • Misterburns81

    Im glad im with cricket. I pay only 30 bucks a month while the rest is paying over a hundred bucks with contract services. And everything is unlimited!!!! People with Verizon and AT&T are getting ripped off!!!

    • ben7337

      Which plan on cricket has unlimited smartphone data, texting, and minutes for $30 a month? All I see is $50 and $60 a month for muve crap phones. They don’t even have a proper phone like a nexus device, or a high end android phone, or the iphone, and they don’t have 4g at the moment, and their 3g is mostly sprint’s coverage so you will likely see dial-up to super slow dsl speeds, streaming videos is probably not possible for you, not that you have a phone that can even do that if you’re only paying that much a month. I’m happier paying $30 a month to verizon for 700 mins and unlimited text and unlimited 4g lte data on a family plan, and if I ever lost it, I would go with voyager mobile who has unlimited everything for $39 a month, or tmobile’s $30 plan with 100 mins but 5GB of 4g data and unlimited texting, or maybe a straight talk plan if I got desperate.

  • Tyfighter15

    That would be great i would enjoy that only if verizon brought back their unlimited data plan.  Bc 4g is better than any home dsl package u can get.  But that is why they won’t get unlimited bc consumers like us could save on our monthly bill.  just get a phone to get on the internet and save 30 bucks to have dsl.  dsl speeds are in the 1Mb-10Mb range for download and upload.  4G has that nearly doubled in some instances.

  • One

    Why would I want to change my unlimited 3g plan for a restrictive 4g plan in the first place?!

  • Get the Droid 3 with 4G soon please!!!

  • end 3g i never even seen it i’m still on 1x in bloomington, md

  •  Verizon is being a bit to “optimistic” in regards to 4G.  One major issue with 4G is that it doesn’t have coverage density.  It won’t reach out to those that don’t live near major cities, or a tower in general.  Unless Verizon can figure out a way to blanket the country with towers, it won’t fly to well.

  • Chris

     how about getting 4g to work properly first? my 4g thunderbolt has been stuck on 1x for a while. not even 3g but 1x. I’m actually starting to miss my OG Droid. Even my moto razr or w/e phone i had before that would be acceptable right now.

  • Anonymous

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  • I don’t think that’s being too optimistic. It wasn’t long before 1xRTT only devices were eventually phased out, and included EV-DO support.
    In my opinion, EV-DO is the battery drain on LTE devices. Try downloading LTE on/off and if you’re in a 4G area set your device to LTE only. On the road to work, there’s a spot where I do lose 4G cover and revert to 1xRTT. I drive past a lot, and I’ve been getting 8 hours of heavy use (display on 3 hours, voice calls at around 3.5 hours) a day. It’s obviously not great, but usable. Remember when EV-DO was first launched, phones were getting really bad battery life as well. Not to mention EV-DO operates on higher frequency meaning less wall penetration.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing most devices supporting LTE by 2013. That just means a faster expansion of their network, and better developed radios (eliminating the requirement for a separate radio for 1xRTT/EV-DO and LTE).

  • I don’t think that’s being too optimistic. It wasn’t long before 1xRTT only devices were eventually phased out, and included EV-DO support.
    In my opinion, EV-DO is the battery drain on LTE devices. Try downloading LTE on/off and if you’re in a 4G area set your device to LTE only. On the road to work, there’s a spot where I do lose 4G cover and revert to 1xRTT. I drive past a lot, and I’ve been getting 8 hours of heavy use (display on 3 hours, voice calls at around 3.5 hours) a day. It’s obviously not great, but usable. Remember when EV-DO was first launched, phones were getting really bad battery life as well. Not to mention EV-DO operates on higher frequency meaning less wall penetration.

    I wouldn’t mind seeing most devices supporting LTE by 2013. That just means a faster expansion of their network, and better developed radios (eliminating the requirement for a separate radio for 1xRTT/EV-DO and LTE).

  • JMD

    Hmm, why try to fix somehting that isn’t broken!  Why not drop 2G,…keep 3G and continue to massage 4G? 

  • Well then they better start releasing more LTE phones now. {{-_-}}

  •  Does anyone even bother to read anymore. they are not stopping 3G service, just stop selling phones that support it. It prob wouldnt be till the 2nd half of the decade before they can consider shutting down their CDMA network…

  • Anonymous

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  • AnimateDroid

     anyway…

    this is important news?
    i cant believe this was actually a seriously article abt it rather than an article laughing at vzw’s claims. 

  • this is all rediculous. I just got my first smartphone a little ways back and 3G is new to me…now they are getting rid of unlimited data and going for more expensive services?

    screw this im not going to have a cell phone too many more years. I just signed a new contract with verizon for 2 years…it will be my last. Going to Cricket or Boost, unlimited for cheaper…

  • Anonymous

    Give us a free annual upgrade to people who won’t have 4g phones by that time then it would fair and square and it would be totally unacceptable if they don’t do that.

  • how stupid is that!!!

  • Anonymous

     Hey is it true the Tegra 2 dual core processors don’t play nice with LTE? Is this why Verizon has yet to have a dual core phone?

    • Anonymous

       Droid x2 is dual core. Do u mean dual core and lte?

      • Anonymous

        i’m sorry you’re right Big red does have a dual core, I’m mean a dual core with LTE combined,  

      • Anonymous

        i’m sorry you’re right Big red does have a dual core, I’m mean a dual core with LTE combined,  

  • Mr.Joe

    This is mosts likely how it will happen.

    In 2013 vzw will say “We’re shutting down our 3G service in 2015”.  That will give people 2 years to get a new phone.

    It’s pretty much what Sprint is doing to iDen. 

  •  well I guess this is 1 way for Verizon to get rid of unlimited data plan users…

  • Tyler Piercy

     AT&T says wtf we are still adding 3G!

    • Mr.Joe

      I like the way you think! 

  • slappynutz

    not unless verzion ramps up deploying its not going to get done.

    4G across 2/3 of the US by 2013,? ok when i guess 1/3 goes dark? please.

    3g will be here till 2014 or maybe 2015.
     

    • Anonymous

       They have been turning on new networks every few weeks so i could see this happening.

  • Rain_king

    I guess they had better stop releasing new 3G phones then… Verizon, are you trying to make sure the dx2 fails? If so great job!

  • Stephen D

     Then they better give everyone upgrade to 4G phones.

  • Chris

    all verizon phones will b 4g by 2013 AND we have to pay per mb in the next few months? looks like i’ll b going back to using my motorola razr. good thing i still have it somewhere.

    • Guest

       That’s my concern as well…4G would be nice but NOT with the new data plans I’ve been hearing about Verizon going to.  I’m pissed about that!

    • yeah but too bad verizon already thought of that. if you read their new data policy almost all phones will soon require AT LEAST the $9.99 a month data plan and you only get 25mb per month…so they will be losing A LOT of people soon i imagine.

      • Anonymous

        That’s not even remotely close to being true.  Besides, their $10 data plan gives you 75mb per month.  

  • TheRealAustin.com

    Never going to happen since there are nothing but 2 year contracts or buy out right.

  • Anonymous

     How about a plan to have Nexus phones on Verizon. I’ve had enough of the manufacturer/carrier bloatware!

    • Anonymous

       Agree. Otherwise I may be switching carriers if they continue to release locked down phones and don’t grandfather those of us with unlimited data in.

  • Anonymous

    Seems a bit premature. they barely have LTE up and running right.. wasn’t it just a free weeks ago they had the network crash? Is nice to have a outlook for the future, but if this is indeed going to be the case, they had better stop offering 3g devices right now. Things fade out by demand not by forcing it on consumers.. example: cassette to cd to mp3 or VHS to DVD.. you have to offer something that makes it so people

  • Anonymous

    Seems a bit premature. they barely have LTE up and running right.. wasn’t it just a free weeks ago they had the network crash? Is nice to have a outlook for the future, but if this is indeed going to be the case, they had better stop offering 3g devices right now. Things fade out by demand not by forcing it on consumers.. example: cassette to cd to mp3 or VHS to DVD.. you have to offer something that makes it so people

  • Anonymous

     Hmm, and what if I don’t want a 4G phone? 

    FU VZ

    SPRINT FTW

    • Timmah

      Why wouldnt you? Thats like saying you want dial up instead of high-speed internet. 

      • DBK

        More like DSL to Cable. Although the way the 4G network has been behaving, it’s more like the other way around.

        There are those of us out there who could care less for 4G and actually like 3G (and probably just started using it).

  • Anonymous

     Droid X2 phones won’t work after 3g is gone?

  • Mtoomaj

     This announcement means that the new iPhone that is to be released this fall will be LTE capable.  But since no one reading on Droid-life cares about iPhone products…….

    • joe.

      not gonna happen. still have next years iPhone.. 

      • slappynutz

         Who cares about the iphone? Steve is out to make a quick buck. He could care less.

  • CaptainHowdy

    Ya I get 1X all the time in SW Portland… If any signal at all…

  • Raptor007

    They need to improve batteries, prices, coverage, prices, product selection, prices, prices, prices.

  • Fallsgable

    2013???  The world is ending TOMORROW!!   WHO CARES about LTE in 2013!!

    • Famouzstarzz

       no kidding i didnt even get to enjoy effin 4g for one day 🙁

  • Juan_ortega92

    They better give me a free upgrade to a 4g phone then, that’s all I’m saying

    • ben7337

      Why? They stopped selling 3g phones in 2011. 2012 has seen nothing but 4g phones. Maybe a few straggling 3g phones for the first few months, but before 2013 ends you would be ready for a subsidized upgrade.

  • Wes Campbell

     don’t like the idea because what if you’re not in a 4G area? will it go into “1X”? I’d personally rather have it go into 3G instead of 1X.

    • Anonymous

       1x is still 3g

  • ;-)

    Sounds like they are just doing what AT&T should have done (more or less) in their move from 2G to 3G, and get people off of 3G onto 4G by making sure most new users and soon after all New users start moving to 4G instead of staying on 3G so they can free up spectrum later on… 
    Does not appear they are shutting down 3G at all, but soon/sometime after may free up spectrum to partially shut it down to expand 4G into 850/1900 spectrum.

     “…He stressed that Verizon wouldn’t push people off the 3G network, nor did it have capacity problems there, but still the move is pretty aggressive. That’s either Verizon being confident in VoLTE or it’s eager to clear folks off the 3G spectrum– or maybe a little of both….”

  • Anonymous

     This won’t happen in that timetable. voLTE is in it’s infancy, but it’s still promising. The only other thing I see are people who won’t have access because they like their phone/don’t want to renew a contract. They also don’t want to pay an arm and a leg for a new phone too.

    Seems like this will be a circus and I don’t envy the Verizon employees that have to deal with this mess when 2013 comes a callin’.

  •  That seems impossible. 2014, maybe. 2015, I can kind of see. But they’re still selling 3G devices on contract. 

  • rradamsster

    Then why are they pushing all these 3g devices out, like Xperia Play, Droid Incredible 2, Droid X2, Droid 3, HTC Merge? Should be pushing out 4G for all of these, because anyone getting these phones will be signing 2-year contracts taking them into 2013 with 3g only phones…

    • FortitudineVincimus

       easy answer… so they can get you to pay more activation fees and buy more accessories and what not

      • Darren B

        False. Rather than explain it again, here’s part of my reply from another post:

        I’ve been following the D3 release thread over on Howard Forums…basically it comes down to the first generation of LTE radios just notbeing that great. Having an engineer’s perspective, you don’t just wavea wand and a phone becomes LTE capable. There are a lot of factors thatinstalling that chip effects. For me, I would much rather have a niceslim phone with a 5 row keyboard, dual core, and all the other nice D3 features than LTE… and that’s coming from someone in the heart of an LTE city. The D3 is shaping up to be one damn nice looking phone, and honestly the only thing I’ve really been excited about since the release of the OG Droid back in the day. Sure I’ll want an LTE phone someday… when the technology improves. But in the meantime, I’m going to be perfectly happy with what should otherwise be a very solid device.

        They aren’t going to stop releasing phones to wait for 4G radio technology to catch up to everything else, nor are they going to release a bunch of mediocre 4G devices in lieu of some very, very nice 3G options. Nobody is telling the engineers “hey, make sure you don’t integrate LTE into these new phones so we can make more money later on.” The fact that so many people don’t understand this is kind of concerning

        • Anonymous

          It’s very concerning.

          However, FortitudineVincimus does have a point; if Verizon plans to cut off 3G entirely in only two years they will essentially be requiring smartphone users to “upgrade” their plans for the more expensive, tiered 4G plans which is very disappointing.

  • FortitudineVincimus

    I will care in 2013,  don’t care now. LOTS to be done before 2013.

  • Calculatorwatch

    Hmm, sounds like a good solution for all those pesky people that don’t want to pay whatever the premium is that they try to charge for 4G service and would rather just stick with 3G instead.

    • ben7337

      That’s sprint your thinking of who had a 4g premium price of $10. They eventually added that fee on to everyone last I heard. Verizon never charged extra for their 4G LTE, and they don’t now. You could go put a used 4g lte phone on your plan right now, and keep your current data plan at exactly the same rate. Obviously you would need a smartphone though, but if you don’t have a smartphone, why do you even care about 3g?

  • Average_taxpayer

    I just keep the 4G data radio turned off using the mobile widget on my Thunderbolt until I need it. Went all day today from 5:00AM to 5:PM battery is still all the way on full.

    • Famouzstarzz

       i can get 4days out of mine using airplane mode then again i like to use the device as intended so i see a full day at 30-50% batt life

  • I’m not sure how they can just ‘end’ 3G service that quickly.  I can seem them phasing out 3G ‘sales’, but not service.

    • Calculatorwatch

      True, if they’re still selling 3G phones in the middle of 2012 then they can’t just shut off those people’s internet connection 1 year into their contracts. 

  •  My phone still switches to 2G on VZW from time to time.  Maybe dump that first?

    • Verizon doesnt have 2G?  

      •  Well, I meant their 2G equivalent — 1xRTT, I think.

        • Mr.Joe

          Actually I think it’s 3G.

          http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-1xrtt.htm 

          •  i know AT&T still has 2G but they are required to keep it by the government so….as for verizon…i don’t know

        • Chris

          yea. my thunderbolt has been stuck on 1x for the past half hour. i’ll give it another 3 hours and if 3g doesn’t come back on im probably going to just turn the power to my phone off switch my phone number over to my OG Droid or to my moto razr. and then cancel my verizon account asap. since they suck in almost every way

          • Cory

            Sometimes the thunderbolt does that. I usually just restart it and it works again. I’m pretty sure they’re working on it though

          • I found that if you switch the phone to airplane mode, and then turn airplane mode off, it usually connects to 3g right away

        • Bullet Tooth Tony

           yeah… 1x is 3G…. it’s the EDGE of the CDMA world… EDGE was technically 3G until they scrapped GSM for W-CDMA…

  • MikeD

    I really doubt this as only 2 VZW phones are currently LTE and they are still selling tons of 3G phones. What are they going to do? Cut off service to all 3G phones and force everyone to upgrade to LTE phones. Doubtful it will be that soon. 

  • Anonymous

     How can they continue to sell 3G-only phones if they are getting rid of 3G? For instance, DX2; 3G could be done by the time you can upgrade. Right?

  • Pffft! All? I’m s 4G by 2013? I’m Sure we’ll have 6G by then! 

  • Scsd139

    No wait …… tomorrow

  • LightNfluffy

    So what happens to old people and their flip phones, like my parents?  And 2/3 of America? Are we talking by area or by population coverage? I would hope the former.

  •  How about a plan to lower the Verizon bill by 2/3 cause it’s expensive!

    • Ron Paul 2012

       They met 3.5G. 4G is a gimmick, so they could charge you more in the future.

      • Ron Kurkowski

        YEAH! Because 15mb down and 10mb up with LTE is so close to 3g performance. “Facepalm”

        • Joze

          4G is defined a 100mbps down and 50 Up so…verizon isn’t so close either

          • Ron Kurkowski

            We don’t need 100mb down and 50mb up.

          • Ron Paul 2012

            You don’t need 15mb down and 10mb up either. What apps use that much speed?

          • instead of waiting 8 seconds for a webpage to load, it’ll load in under a second. You can stream movies, quickly download mp3’s in seconds, etc. 3G is nice but 4G LTE is pretty amazing. Honestly I think it’ll be a long time before anyone will want anything faster.

          • No, that’s 5G. 

  • Scsd139

    But the world ends in 2012? So why not say that

  • Lukebyman

    They better be cranking out the towers then… if they lose coverage they’ll lose customers.

  • As long as the 4G phones are as easily hackable as my OG Droid, I’m all for this.

    • joe.

      not gonna happen. 

    • Mr.Joe

      This made me LOL so hard.  I don’t even know why. 

    •  considering the fact that the phone being hackable has nothing to do with it being 3G or 4G then yes they will be

  • 123

    There are currently only 2 VZW LTE phones on the market today. They expected by the end of 2013 to eliminate 3G? That’s a stretch! 

  • Jim Dandy

    Next season’s phones better bring the pain.

    • Anonymous

       I’m sure they will.  I mentioned in another post that Verizon is in transition right now and that’s the only reason they aren’t getting the latest and greatest phones.

      Verizon is going to be ahead of the game come next year and by 2013 I think everyone else will be playing catch up.  AT&T claims they are going with LTE, but I’ve yet to see any movement on that front.  They better get going… unless they are just hoping to use the T-Mobile merger and their HSPA+ network and scrap LTE all together.

      • hkklife

        Bring the pain?  Sure, Verizon will certainly be bringing plenty of pain but it will be all pain inflicted upon their customer base:

        No more 1yr upgrades, no more NE2, no more early upgrade promos, glacially slow (or just non-existant) Android OS updates, tiered data, an overload of bloatware, exhorbitantly priced tethering plans, power-sucking bulky 4G phones, and a general push of all things Apple. 

        Yup, plenty of pain to go around!

      • Bullet Tooth Tony

        I have a feeling they plan to use the T-Mobile merger to scrap their HSPA network… since it’s on AWS spectrum… the crown jewel of LTE spectrum….