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CyanogenMod Installer App Removed From Google Play, Violates Developer Terms (Updated)

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After a pretty short stint on Google Play, the CyanogenMod Installer app has been completely removed voluntarily by the CM team, after being told by the Google Play team that the app was in violation of certain developer terms. While the app is essentially harmless, Google’s issue is that it directs users to void device warranties by unlocking bootloaders and flashing third-party software, which is apparently shunned by Android’s maker. This was an issue that was brought up by users when the app first launched, but apparently nothing was done about it.

CyanogenMod published a full post on what happened exactly with the Google Play team, but here’s the most important part from what they said.

After reaching out to the Play team, their feedback was that though application itself is harmless, and not actually in violation of their Terms of Service, since it ‘encourages users to void their warranty’, it would not be allowed to remain in the store.

According to the team, they are now reaching out to Amazon and Samsung to publish their Installer app to the companies’ respective app markets.

Update: Cyanogen Inc. has updated the original post on their blog and it is has been made clear that they were in direct violation of Google Play’s Terms of Service, not just minor developers terms.

The question is, do we think Google is doing the right thing? With thousands upon thousands of downloads, it’s clear people want the app. Should Google have let this slide? How successful can Cyanogen Inc be without Google Play support? Let’s hear your opinion down below.

Via: CyanogenMod
  • John Smith

    Um, aren’t all apps that require Root access destroying your warranty as well?

    • John Malin

      No. You would have already had to have voided your warranty to use them. Also some devices that connect to the store do not have a warranty, such as older used phones. This app specifically points you to a program to void the warranty.

      Wasn’t Z4Root removed from the Play Store as well for pretty much the same thing?

  • John Smith

    I love the CM Installer app. I was always afraid of taking the leap to CM because it was like physics to follow the scary install steps. I ran the CM Installer and BOOM, I’ve dumped the bloated Samsung/T-Mobile stuff.

  • GTIguy

    “Should Google have let this slide?” Are you serious? If they are in direct violation of the terms of service then the app needs to be taken down.

  • NemaCystX

    The app got too much press and you can pretty much assume something like this would happen rather than Google letting it slide. If other root required apps did the same and got as much press as this did, you can pretty much expect the same thing to happen. I personally think carriers might have something to do with this too

    • Sporttster

      Yep, Verizon doesn’t want rooting to become ‘too popular’ so they don’t have to change their extremely ridiculously restrictive policy……

  • Dylan

    What about Motorola developer phones in which unlocking your boot loader no longer voids your warranty?

  • Pat Leck

    I think google, should work it out with them, if google is smart they will see the potential in this app.

    http://68e1509c.theseforums.com

  • GT247

    CM can just go away as far as I’m concerned. , but more on topic to this article, there have been other apps on play that were banned eventually for doing similarly what cm installer does, The fact cm changed the story on what they did shows they’re scammers…anyways. OMNIROM is what peiple should want…cm can go away.. OMNIROM FOREVER!!

  • CensoredByU

    Come one google this is evil..

  • http://www.kizijogos.co/ Kizi jogos

    Actually, it’s not worth much attention. Anyway Google Play will give a different version than the old fashioned great.

  • the-one
  • in2android

    I don’t think Google is out of line because they haven’t taken away anything that we couldn’t do before the app arrived, or after the app was removed. What they have done is hopefully prevented some possible circumstances where uninformed users (which we know are probably the large majority) may do permanent damage to their device or unknowingly void their warranty from lack of reading into what they’re doing. I don’t think a bit of browsing XDA, googling, or at the very least watching a YouTube video or two, is an unreasonable prerequisite for someone wanting to alter their $600 devices software. If the one click installer is in fact the safest and easiest way to do so, then it will still be just as effective and useful if it’s kept a Google search away from those that are inquiring. It’s my opinion that having it available in the Play Store only gives someone the opportunity to point the finger at Google for any consequences that may arise from misuse. unfortunately it seems a nessecary precaution for large corporations to take the potential stupidity of others into account. We’re in a world where idiots that don’t test the tempature of their coffe before they drink it are rewarded by their lack of common sense with million dollar settlements! It must be nice to be so ignorant that accountability is no longer expected of you?

    • needa

      i totally agree. and i think there is more to it. having an app like that on the play store is more or less a ‘middle finger’ to the oems that put their own skin on android.where samsung has so many services built in… an app like this would make it too easy for people to get rid of their apps and software. while i am sure that google could care less… i dont think they want to be the ones making an app like that so easily accessible. i could have worded that better and expanded… but ill just leave it as it is.

  • JoeTi

    That’s too bad. Honestly, I understand the move. CM installer puts Google in an awkward position by being offered on the Play Store. Leaving it there, Google has to be the steward between the carriers and a forked version of Android that voids the carrier’s warranty. Tough call. I’m still more critical of Google of taking off ad blocking applications because it interferes with their profit centers. CyanogenMod does not directly take money away from them. I wish they could all play nice.

  • rthvk

    I don’t think any person I know would use this solution in the first place.

    They either:
    A) Don’t know what root/ROMs mean and could care less
    B) Want more flexibility so they do it themselves

  • KaoriCamellia

    It won’t stop people putting CM on their phones. Didn’t need it for our S3. Did it take longer? Sure. But it was more fun.

    • needa

      i dont think stopping people from putting cm on their phones is the reason its gone.

  • http://www.deathbycone.com Jared Kotoff

    I thought that was one of the beauties of android. Why make it open source and not encourage forking?

  • FormerFatBoys

    Do evil.

  • valkyrie743

    how is this a big deal?? just download the apk off their website??

  • Scott Wood

    Warranty! We don’t need no stinking warranty!

  • http://twitter.com/jdrch jdrch

    Of course Google doesn’t want CM Installer in the app store. That might actually allow people to get more than 18 months out of their phones, which would dent their hardware sales. The Android OS update/support cycle is engineered to force users to buy new phones every 2 years at the least. Now that Google has its own lines of hardware with Motorola and Nexus devices, CM Installer is a threat to that model. Pure and simple.

    • http://aidan.info.tm/ Zack Casey

      You do realize Google Play is on more then they just those line of devices, right?

      • http://twitter.com/jdrch jdrch

        That actually helps my point.

  • Brett Inman

    Cm installer is still available in my play store. With so many apps that promote rooting, cm should be made available. Google should want people to have near stock android, before oem’s crap on it…

    • S2556

      It’s about tech idiots effing up their phone and voiding warranty all in the play store.

      • Brett Inman

        With the cm installer, they could minimiza that. I have rooted and installed countless roms on many different phones. Never betas and never nightlies. I have never bricked a phone. If someone is that careless and inexperienced, they deserve a brick. I think this is a good way to bridge the gap and minimize idiotic mistakes. Just my opinion. I do agree with you on that point, but, they can get it under control and serve people the way they want to be served. When people tamper, it’s an indication of what people want. Companies should listen.

  • NBM

    I installed CM on my Nexus 4 (secondary device) via the Play Store App… then had an iffy time removing it earlier today… then again, it’s not something I do regularly. If I owned a skinned phone, I’d see more value in CM. My Nexus 5 stay stock with GLE.

  • Luke Mattson

    It is the users device so why shouldn’t the user be able to do what they want.

    • zurginator

      They still can. This is just Google saying “do what you want, but don’t expect us to provide it”.

  • Ray Pastore, Ph.D.

    as long as the user is warned, i dont see the issue.

  • Chris James

    Why would Google allow an app on the Play Store that helps you install a version of Android that isn’t approved by Google?

  • fish1552

    All I know is, I tried the app this morning to see how it worked. Yes, I can root and flash using the command line, using a Nexus Toolkit, and other methods, but I wanted to see how this one worked. And I must say, it was flawless. They really are onto something. I say just post the apk on their site and let users get it from there like they have the downloads from day one.

  • joejoe5709

    Eh… Sure, their reasoning is somewhat weak. It’s like Google execs sat in a boardroom and decided what trumped up reason they could come up with to take CM Installer down. In the end though, I blame CM. They put a giant target on their back over all the other ROMs, themes, installers, mods, etc. For goodness sake they codenamed the project “Nemesis” and started releasing a few of their own version of Gapps like the Focal camera. If you were Google, wouldn’t you want to knock these guys down a peg or two?

    That said, I don’t understand why it’s so important to be on Google Play anyway. Those that are looking for Cyanogenmod know how to install apk’s and such without the store. The common consumer isn’t going to know what to do with Cyanogenmod and therefore being on Google Play is kind of redundant. Personally? I didn’t like the installer. It’s much quicker and easier just to install it manually.

  • imthebishop

    Who cares about a warranty as it’s bs anyway. Yeah they will replace my phone for a year with a reconduitioned POS with only $100 copay while I am under contract. I bought a Brand new in the box S3 today on CL for $150, loaded CM10.2 on it and it will outperform anything out there not to mention it functions as a hotspot for no extra charge AND I have access to any apps I want on or off Google Play.

    • Adrynalyne

      Uh…LOL.

      Warranties don’t charge copays. Insurance does. Two very different services.

  • SpoorthyVemula

    No way. It should just be very clear that warranties will get destroyed. After that the consumer should get to decide. Don’t be like apple and make decisions for me.

  • Adrynalyne

    CM has a way around this. All they have to do is let their supported (from the manufacturer) phones hit the market, and then make the app only for them. Then they could uh…accidentally leave a way to trick your phone into installing it from the market.

  • Jeremy Wray

    Why not just package it with Cyanogenmod. Also what happened to rom manager, is that still on the play store?

    • Adrynalyne

      Thats another one that should go. Of course, that one is only usable after you already voided your warranty, right?

  • George264

    I also love how Root Explorer and Titanium Backup are 2 of the most sold apps on the Play Store and it literally requires voiding your warranty to use.

    • Pedro

      Not requires.
      Required. Past tense. Decision has already been made by the user.

      • George264

        Well, if you see Titanium on Play and you wanted to backup, you would have to go root. If you already rooted then it’s not encouraging. I’m saying that Titanium and Root Explorer and really enticing apps for people without root and encourages them to void. I’m pretty sure I got that right.

        • Adrynalyne

          Those apps don’t show you how to void your warranty.

        • S2556

          Asking for root access isn’t against terms. Google doesn’t care if you have root or run cm. They just don’t want technology impaired ppl blindly ruining their device then being hung to dry because they voided warranty all from an app in the plays tore. This needed to go, but root access apps are not a liability.

          • HarvesterX

            That’s why people should have insurance. To protect against their ignorance. We don’t need Google holding our hands. We own the damn things and they make money off us.people need to stop being so indifferent and being proactive. (Indifference can have it’s place don’t get me wrong but not when companies are trying to dictate the products YOU buy as a courtesy to them so they can profit )

        • HarvesterX

          Root Explorer is a fully file explorer…It’s a tool I recommend to ALL my Androidees (just coined the term). Even without root it has a TON of functionality such as supporting archives and creating them and easy method of sharing any file via Bluetooth (any file in /data/media that is if not rooted)

          Either way, neither all encourages violating any warranties which shouldn’t matter in the first place BECAUSE we own (well I do) my device and have every right to have root access. “Here’s your brand new Windows Dell, but you can only log in as User..have fun)”.. Yeah…

      • Droidzilla

        Incorrect. This is an active clause citing the app’s requirements, thus the present tense is correct. If he had used the past tense, it would seem as though the requirement is no longer active but used to be. That would make for a very confusing sentence. Or, if you prefer the conditional perfect tense over the conditional simple tense, that would have made for a very confusing sentence.

      • redbar0n11

        English lessons from “Pedro”. I’m sorry that’s just funny and ironic, since you’re wrong.

    • Johnny Bravo

      shhhhh…do you want them to remove those too

    • 4n1m4L

      I use root explorer without root. Works fine

  • George264

    I think the better thing to do is to just put the apk on the front page of CM. Rather than put it on Samsung and Amazon appstores which little to no people use, especially Samsung, I mean let’s do a count here, who actually uses Samsung App Store. If people are actually interested in installing CM, and do fully understand the responsibility they’re taking on, they would have the knowledge to go to the site and how to install the apk.

  • gtg465x

    As long as the app clearly warns users that installing CM voids their warranty, I don’t see what the problem is. Google should allow it.

    • gtg465x

      Also, by their logic, should apps like XDA be taken down too? The XDA app is basically an encyclopedia of different ways to void your warranty. It’s not like the CM app actually installed the ROM. It was just a helper to point users in the right direction, which is basically what apps like XDA do. So… put it back up in the Play Store say I.

      • Adrynalyne

        A forum reader app does not void your warranty.

        Installing that app does not walk you through romming your phone. The info you read through it might, but that is hardly its sole purpose.

        • gtg465x

          There are many threads shown in the XDA app that walk you through romming your phone. Yes, it’s not the sole purpose, but does that make a difference? If so, CM should add a calculator to their app. That way walking a user through romming isn’t the sole purpose of the app.

          • Adrynalyne

            It makes all of the difference. They decided to follow those directions that they read online, that is not associated with Google in any way. When its on the play store, it gets associated with Google. I doubt Google cares if people void their warranties, but they do not want to be associated with it.

            Using their services to void warranties is not really the same thing as using their services to download a forum app that leads you to a forum that might have the same instructions. Google is far removed from something like that.

          • gtg465x

            So by that logic, CM could release an app that just brings users to the CM webpage, where the user can then read how to install CM.

            Then they can make their webpage look exactly like the app did before, and voila, the app is the exact same except everything is displayed in a web view instead of natively. So at that point, what’s the point of blocking this app in the first place?

          • Adrynalyne

            I’ve not installed this app. Are you telling me that this app does absolutely nothing but give instructions on how to do it?

            In other words, my 10 year old daughter could have written it?

          • gtg465x

            Correct. It’s just instructions. The app basically tells you to download the actual CM installer on your PC and then that app running on your computer walks you through the rest.

          • gtg465x

            The CM app was basically just a marketing tool to get the word out and point users in the right direction, to the CM installer app that runs on a computer.

          • Adrynalyne

            Well, LOL. That is pretty crappy on Google’s part, and even crappier on CM’s part to make such a big deal about an app that lists instructions.

          • HarvesterX

            Lmao really? All they had to do is rename the app CyanogenMod Reader and have the app just contain a WebView class (like Gmail uses and every web browser under the sun) and have it redirect the users to the page with the instructions.

            Google sure as hell fan clamp down on that fast but have no reservations about leaving apps up that contain pornography. I was under the impression as well that the app did more then it did (I knew there was the windows client to it but).

            There are many other resources out there on the play store involving How To Root / etc. Maybe Steve should write a rap song with the instructions and release the same thing but in the music section..lmao.

            To be fair, I tried CyanogenMod once on the OG Droid..hated it. I gave it another chance on the G2 and quickly flashed back to custom Optimus/4.4 Hybrid UI (and internals) ROM. Couldn’t stand it so I used a custom 4.2.2 ROM as a base and cleaned up crond so that it worked and init.d and cron.init and spliced together a lot from the 4.4 framework into LG’s framework and tweaked the file systems and screw it. Its reliable, lagfree, and now the device is listed in the top 100 devices on several benchmark sites. Point is you don’t learn ANYTHING until you screw up, and before you one click anything make sure you know how to flash a recovery and make a backup on your own.

          • Timothy McGovern

            That means we can’t have browsers either. They give you access to xda. Also, someone might post on Facebook about xda so we have to get rid of that. Also, candy crush might have an ad that directs people to the internet which could lead them to xda. Basicly internet should be illegal.

    • Pedro

      Clearly warn and read by the user are two entirely different things.
      Average Joe just keeps hitting the Continue button until complete.

      • gtg465x

        Doesn’t matter. It’s the user’s choice to do what they want with their device. If they don’t want to read warnings before modifying it, they shouldn’t have to. But if something goes wrong, they won’t be able to say they weren’t warned. They can only say they skipped through or ignored the warning.

        McDonalds now writes “Caution: Extremely hot!” on their coffee and that is enough to prevent lawsuits. A user isn’t forced to read their cup, but they would have an extremely tough time litigating after they burned themselves if the warning was there.

        • Adrynalyne

          And google doesn’t want to be part of something that is potentially lawsuit worthy. It makes sense to me why they removed it.

        • Pedro

          1. Obviously, you don’t know nearly enough about the McDonalds hot coffee lawsuit to use it as an example.
          2. It appears that Google is just not adding their very first unlock/root/ROM app without some consideration.

          • gtg465x

            Yes, I know the old McDonalds lawsuit also had the element of the coffee being not just hot, but wayyy too hot even for a warning. But I think my example stands. If McDonalds just had normally, not excessively, hot coffee and didn’t have a warning, someone who spilled it could probably still sue and get something. If there was a warning, it would be tougher.

            Maybe not the best example, but you get my point. Some grocery stores here in Cali put warnings on everything saying that the chemicals in them could cause cancer. This makes it impossible for people to successfully litigate against the grocery store if someone gets cancer from the Doritos they sold.

          • Pedro

            Normally hot coffee wouldn’t cause third degree burns. Bad example.

            Again, Google doesn’t want to host an app that allows a user to void warranty by simply clicking Yes.
            Stupid people do stupid things. And then complain.

          • gtg465x

            The app doesn’t allow them to void their warranty by simply clicking yes. The app just points the user in the right direction to install the ROM. It’s instructions. The app doesn’t actually install the ROM or root your device for you or anything.

          • gtg465x

            You know the CM app is basically just instructions right? It doesn’t install anything.

          • Pedro

            I guess we’ll just disagree.
            A Play Store app that says ROOT Required is different than an app that takes you down a warranty voiding path.

            Having root prior to installing an app means that the user has all of the responsibility. The decisions have been made. There is a note before installing that ROOT is required.
            Providing an app that gives step by step instructions doesn’t require any thought by the installer. Click Continue. Copy/Paste. Click Install. Done! Oh crap!

  • Roberto Taylor

    It “encourages users to void their warranty”…really? And all of the apps in the Play Store that require root privileges don’t? I think someone is scared of CM.

    • Pedro

      I think that’s a cause/effect issue.
      If you download the CM app, you start down a road that voids your warranty. The ignorant just keep clicking the Continue button.
      If you download a ROOT app, your already on the road. None of those apps let the innocent void out of ignorance.

      • coolsilver

        Bootstraping apps however do.

        • Pedro

          Okay. Only having the OG Droid and Nexus after that, I forgot. I still think that bootstrap apps and CM installer are targeted to two entirely different groups.

  • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

    Honestly, if you can’t bother to search online on how to install custom ROM’s, you don’t have any business installing custom ROM’s. I can see this being a huge issue if people with little to no knowledge tried to install CM.

    • Pedro

      Yup.
      There are no One Click Unlock/Root/ROM apps in the Play Store. This continues the policy.

    • joejoe5709

      Agreed. Even the most novice tinkerer isn’t going to need it to be on Google Play. A simple apk or zip on XDA will do just fine.

      • Pedro

        No, the informed tinkerer wouldn’t need it on Play Store.
        The novice tinker might find it there, install and go.

      • Brandon Golway

        The novice tinkerer wouldn’t need it at all because all it does is apparently shows you how to enable ADB. That’s it. At least that’s what Koush said in his G+ post. Pretty useless app if you ask me, why not just include the instructions in the Windows program?

        • HarvesterX

          Seriously? Lol I need to email Koushik up and ask.

          • Brandon Golway

            Apparently so, think about it, when you first root your phone the only thing that you initially do on your phone before flashing roms is enable ADB, everything else is done via the computer.

    • Brandon Golway

      Agreed. Hell I just saw in the Android Community on Google+ that some noob was all freaked out because his Galaxy Nexus was bootlooping after he tried to flash CM10.2 over 10.1 without wiping anything. He had no idea how to wipe stuff or even what the recovery menu was or how to get to it. People were telling him the general steps to take such as “factory reset, wipe system, flash rom, flash gapps” and he wanted a step by step video hand holding guide.

      I was wondering how he ever got the ROM installed in the first place if he had no idea what the recovery was, but it just dawned on me that he probably used this. It’s kind of like the same problem you have when you root someone’s phone for them, when stuff breaks they have no idea what to do.

      • michael arazan

        Would be nice to make “How To” videos for newbies to show what to do step by step from downloading software to their PC to showing them what to do on their device, back up’s, saving, unlocking, rooting, everything from qualified people like from the CM team. I’ve watched a lot of videos on it trying to learn myself only to read the comments that the video makers skip a step or show the wrong procedures. Now that I have a Samsung, I’m trying ti find out how to do everything and find a vanilla aosp rom for it with 4.3 or 4.4.

        • in2android

          I don’t disagree with you that videos of this nature are helpful, but they already exist in large numbers! I would think that if Cm Team wants to bring this to the mainstream then their time is better spent focusing on hardware partners that will provide the CM experience in a hassle free out of the box form…. Just as they have been doi ng… It seems that the one click installer is actually a step backwards based on the plans they’ve shared and their expectations for their future as a legitimate company. Rooting phones and flashing Roms is an area that only appeals to a very small group of users, and larger mass appeal is what they’ve described in their plans for the future. In a nutshell, CM shouldn’t be putting effort into selling people on one click root methods and installers that still really only appeals to the user base they already have… They should be positioning themselves to push their unique custom Android experience to the much larger market of the average or typically users. Samsung became the giant of the Android world by selling the average users on their software and it’s so called advantages, but if people were expected to buy the GS4 hardware and go home and flash the latest Touchwiz Rom then they would have NEVER seen the popularity they have! CM has to sell their software on the Shelf just like Samsung if they want to succeed in their plans to incorporate and make the move from developing as a hobby to developing for a profit. The app being removed should mean little to nothing to them if they are operating as a business for profit, because in the big picture these types of utilities do not lead to the market share or revenue a corporation should be seeking. That’s my two cents once again, and just for the record I’m a fan of CM and communities like XDA that are there for developing and openly sharing, I just think that CM’s focus was misplaced when they decided to build this app in the first place if their plans are as they’ve been recently describing… Thumbs down away guys, lol

          • HarvesterX

            One step solutionsare fine if and when they work and should only ever be user by people who know how to fix their own mess instead of try to cry and send it backfor a rreplacement. As a last resortthey SHOULD also have iinsurance but it shouldn’t come to that.

            I accident my wiped /data/media on my G2 on an older TWRP version and wiped /system as well. If I had used a one click app I would have been ina mess. Instead I laughed and proceeded to download another ROM and Gapps and pushed those over and flashed my phone back.

            Point is I knew how to fix that, and it wasn’t my fault. TWRP had their wipe /data partition wipe ALL of /data, and now they have a separate section for wiping /data/media. Problems can and do arise which are out of our hands. Nobody is perfect and somtimes what we flash will screw our computers up (when my phone is faster then most PCs here, I call it a computer). I’m glad that this app was taken down. Anyone interested in flashing a custom ROM can and will learn how to do so. Most manufacturers arr nice enough to leave loopholes in where we can get in. They know that US minority of users control the TOP Google searches when it comes to Joe googling for reviews on which phone to buy next

        • Brandon Golway

          If you want to do this type of stuff you have to take some initiative and search for some of the answers on your own, we’re not in the business of hand holding. There a countless guides out there on how to do literally everything, you just have to search a little for them.

          Apparently you need to do some searching yourself because vanilla AOSP roms are pretty much everywhere on XDA.

      • John Smith

        You agree but then crap on your own point?!

        • Brandon Golway

          What? The point that I was making was that people need to read up before rooting their phones.

    • John Smith

      Not true. I COULD install a custom ROM myself as I’m a “techie” guy. But there are so many steps and places it could fail. I’ve installed custom ROMS now on a Kindle Fire and my Note II using different installers (including this CM Installer). It’s the difference between popping a pre-made meal in a microwave versus making a meal from scratch. Yes, I COULD make the from-scratch meal, but I’m sure what it will taste like if I use the pre-made version.

      • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

        You’re one of the few. I’m not saying this wouldn’t be easier for people like us, but because it’s easy people who have no business installing ROM’s would attempt it. If/when it fails, they will have no idea how to fix it.

      • redbar0n11

        It’s sure to taste like, pre-made, microwaved, freezer burned, cardboard. That’s no bueno either…

  • jamdev12

    So much for Android being open.

    • Boblank84

      sorry, this statement makes no sense.

      • Adrynalyne

        Google is protecting warranties of those who don’t know any better. How dare they?!

        • Timothy McGovern

          If they don’t know any better they deserve to have their warranty fucked up.

          • Adrynalyne

            Which is ~80% of the human population. Hey, its a stupid world.

          • Timothy McGovern

            Then 80% of the human population needs to learn to read

          • Adrynalyne

            You gonna teach them? :p

          • Timothy McGovern

            I’ll let our great education system do that.

      • jamdev12

        Boblank84, the whole premise of Android is for it to be Open. You can do anything to it and modify it to your hearts content. This also means that apps that allow you to do this on the Play Store should be ok. Google has gone ahead and circumvented the premise of Open Source and made their own rules. Google should not own Android and Android just like Chromium OS should be its own independent entity. Google can fork it and do what the heck it wants, but it can’t have it both ways.

        • Adrynalyne

          Unlocking a bootloader for romming is a hardware modification, invalidating your point.

          • jamdev12

            To manufacturer’s sure, but if I own my own hardware then your point becomes invalidated by mine.

          • Adrynalyne

            Software and hardware are not the same thing, bro. You invalidated your own argument by talking about the openess of software, and equating it with the openess of hardware.

        • Boblank84

          your confused. you can still side load the app or install any ROM you want via recovery. An app that violates the play store tos has nothing to do with android. you can have android without the play store.

    • http://aidan.info.tm/ Zack Casey

      You do realize Google Play is not integrated into Android itself, right? Google also isn’t stopping me from checking the big “Unknown Sources” and installing another app store.

  • New_Guy

    Is it just me or is there a good reason why they can’t simply make the download available online through their website?…

  • Adrynalyne

    Yeah, they did the right thing. Of course, they should extend the ruling to other apps that also void your warranty.

    • Pedro

      Absolutely.
      If they void your warranty by running the app.

      If the user has already made the decision to unlock/root/rom/DoWhatTheyWant, then Google doesn’t need to get involved.

      Just out of curiosity, how many apps on the Play Store void your warranty?

      • Adrynalyne

        That is going to be the minority of those who use it. People will install things just for the hell of it, or because it was a ‘Top Pick’.

        Those who have already made the decision don’t need this on the play store. Right?

  • afazel

    They could simply let the PC installer portion install the Android app with instructions to allow sideloading.

    • Nicktrance

      True, they just need a prompt telling the user to change the settings to allow for apps from unknown sources.

    • New_Guy

      My thoughts exactly. I’m not really convinced that this is a big deal. Most of the ones rooting are the same ones that have been doing it online for years to begin with…

    • Elliot Kotis

      or…..they could just put the app somewhere else.

  • http://aidan.info.tm/ Zack Casey

    I’m glad Google Play isn’t the only app store for Android.

  • coolsilver

    They should then be purging apps that require root or allows bootstraping.

    • M0nk

      CM installer is very different from other root apps. This one lets you install a rom that voids your warranty (The phone can be unrooted with the stock ROM before you install the CM installer app). Other root apps only need root privileges to perform a certain function that is only available for rooted devices. So to run them you need to be rooted before you use the app. Its like the difference between buying a gun or bullets.

      • coolsilver

        When I started using Android. I knew Titanium Backup was the go to app for backing up my device. It needed Root access. Guess what, I went out and looked up how to root so I could use that one app knowing I could brick my device trying. Claim it isn’t the same because it involved more effort from me. Voiding my warranty in the process.

        • M0nk

          Yes, I agree. If rooting was useless no one would root their devices to void the warranty. I personally root my devices to have a full nandroid backup and easy recovery if anything fails (That should be included in stock Android without root). Also to run apps like Titanium Backup, root explorer, autorun manager, cerberus, xposed framework + wanam and others. The level of understanding that you need to follow a rooting/romming guide on XDA is very different than installing a “magical” app from the playstore that does all the work. On XDA you need to read and learn a lot of things before you try anything (or you should). Its also easier to understand the risks involved when you know what is a rom, root, a bootloader, etc.

          • coolsilver

            I agree you should know something but say I didn’t know about it. Google root for S4 find a one click root program. Load it and it bricks your phone, now you are pissed. So you sue Google for having an app that encourages to do it. People have sued for less.

          • Adrynalyne

            I loaded CM once on my Note II.

            It ATE the data and filesystem from my sdcard.

            I could see some real issues there, LOL.

          • coolsilver

            Well any Rom installer even with root can do the same thing. Not to mention numerous other apps. Best just not install anything XD

          • capecodcarl

            You don’t need to be rooted to make nandroid backups from your recovery, you just need an unlocked bootloader.

          • M0nk

            yes, you are right. I was referring to routing as the group of actions we usually do that includes rooting+unlocking BL+ installing a custom recovery. Sometimes you can’t do one without the others. Sometimes it’s impossible to unlock the BL but you can still install a custom recovery. For example on the old days I could root and install a custom recovery on a Moto Milestone phone with locked an signed BL that was never cracked. oh the good days when recoveries were used on a totally different partition and not on boot or system like today.

          • HarvesterX

            Unless you own one of the million phones (thankfully not mine) where you are stuck with the OEM boot loader and can only backup apps and data by using a rooted method…but you are correct. TB is most useful for restoring apps/data after a clean wipe anyways other than backing them up.

        • Travillion

          I think the point is that Titanium Backup did not void your warranty. You had already rooted your phone (regardless of your motivation for doing so). If I understand it correctly, the CM Installer, on the other hand, will actually void your warranty (assuming you are coming from a stock device).

          • coolsilver

            True but it still encourages the behavior which if someone was sue happy could try and blame the play store for having it when a normal unrooted user can’t use. Assumption of risk is still a factor. Bootstrap apps however are in the same boat as these can brick the device and void warranties which I should have mentioned first.

          • Travillion

            Regarding sue-happy people, I suppose Google has to draw a line where they think they are at risk, and they seem to have decided that Cyanogen’s app poses more liability than apps that have rooting as a prerequisite (e.g., TiBa). I’m not familiar with bootstrap apps–I’ve always unlocked and rooted the hard way (because I wanted to know what I was doing and was skeptical of one click solutions). Perhaps the fact that I’m not familiar with bootstrap apps suggests I shouldn’t be rooting ;-)

        • S2556

          Average Joe comes to his first Android phone. Sees a cool app with a high rating in the play store called cyanogen mod installer. Has no clue what it is but sid looks cool so download. Description is to long so skips or skims as many ppl do. Jumps Into the app and with a few explorative taps, he gives himself a brick or bootloops etc… And guess what, he’s fu*ked because he voided his warranty and hasn’t a clue about technology. This is what Google is trying to avoid. When the app first launched, after a couple days I was seeing 1 star reviews from ppl that had actually done the above.
          Requiring root access on the other hand does not force your hand so you have to void your warranty your self doing research and figuring out what root is, why I want root, what risks come with root. and not through an app in the playstore. Average Joe downloads TiBu and simply gets an incompatibility message.

      • NemaCystX

        ROM Manager and ROM Toolbox do the same thing

        • HarvesterX

          ROM manager for one is VERY outdated and not many people would miss it lol. Second, those apps also require that your phone is rooted. ROM Manager cannot flash a custom recovery to begin with (aassuming you are still on stock recovery) without using a

          [CODE]

          su

          # for G2
          dd if=recovery.img of=/dev/block/msm_sdcc.1/by-name/recovery

          [/CODE]

          command. And to flash any ROMs from ROM manager you’d need a custom recovery which you already voided your warranty by flashing. Whether you fastboot flash a recovery or root and then use the dd command or app to flash a recovery, you’ve already voided your warranty.

          And for those of us who have insurance and own out phones, it’s a moot point. Your carriers don’t own you. You own the carriers. Google just draws the line as mediator. They aren’t going to discourage knowledgeable people from doing what they should be doing as long as they don’t hurt profit.

          It’s like a skydiving instructor telling you “oh yeah your chute is fine, just jump” without even training you or watching you pack your chute and watching you fall to your doom.