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  • Adam Truelove

    Samsung makes some truly great hardware paired with the absolute worst software.

  • bogy25

    Picture looks like 2007 vs 2017

  • Michael Shorey

    that doesn’t look like an iphone 7. maybe a 5.

    • Biga173rd

      It’s it’s not the 5 got round corners. Also the iPhone 5 would look tiny compare to those 2 phones.

      • Michael Shorey

        bad picture i guess. the sides looked flatter than the rounded edges i’ve seen on coworkers iphones

        • Biga173rd

          Trust me I use an iPhone for work not by choice lol. I hate it

  • Biga173rd

    Yup those ugly ass bezels and Apple will probably continue using massive bezels on the next release.

  • Defenestratus

    I just sent this link to my Apple fanboy friend. Lets see if he comments about it 😛

  • Magistos

    We’ve had years of “Dat bezel, doe” posts and when we finally get to the obvious end game response to that, now everyone is commenting about accidental touches.
    Man I love Android users. 🙂
    (I am a happy android user, btw, looking to replace my Note 4 with either this or whatever the Note 8 turns out to be.)

    • Defenestratus

      The thing about Android users is that we all like different things. Thats why we can’t all be put in a single box and be told what we like because we worship at the altar of a false fruit prophet.

      Variety is the spice of life. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

      I didn’t like the Pixel so I passed on it. The only thing that will keep me from this phone is if Bixby is too integrated into the OS that it can’t be replaced by Google Assistant.

      • Magistos

        Oh, I completely agree.
        But somehow the “Dat bezel” comments always felt like a stick in my eye for some reason. I found myself asking if what those people wanted was a fricking LOTR palantir for a phone.
        I’m hoping (HA!) Bixby runs the phone and lets Google Assistant run searches. I’d be happy with that. Somehow, I don’t think it will be that easy, but we will see.

  • cdm283813

    If only the G6 had the guts of the S8. I actually prefer the back of the G6 as well given that the fingerprint scanner is not in the middle on the S8.

    • New_Guy

      And MST. After using it so often I wouldn’t consider a flagship phone without it. Sorry LG….

  • Evan

    Design looks awesome! Can’t wait till its announced! 🙂

  • disastrousrainbow

    I’m shuddering remembering how awfully choppy my S7 would get especially with heavy use. It’s why I’m scared to even consider the S8 and want to stick with my iPhone 7 until the Pixel 2…

    • KleenDroid

      Package Disabler Pro for Samsung phones. Freezes over 120 unneeded garbage apps or processes.

      Get it and be happy!

      • flosserelli

        You shouldn’t have to install an app to make a phone usable 2 months after buying it.

  • AvalancheRyder

    This is unrelated, but Pixel XL 128gb in Quite Black is currently in stock at Google Store. Go, purchase! If you’re into that sort of thing.

  • ctk4949

    The crapple phone just looks old!!

  • cdm283813

    For me it’s all about user experience and timely updates. It’s why I own a iPhone 7 Plus and Pixel. Samsung lacks the skill to provide timely updates for any of it’s phones. But if Samsung can take the carriers out of the the equation it might change my mind.

  • The Doctor

    I’d like to see a picture of the Google Pixel next to the S8. I wonder if you’ll use the same .gif?

    • AvalancheRyder

      Wow, I hate myself for not thinking of that comment. Well done sir.

    • NexusMan

      Wait…that gif isn’t directed at how ridiculous the S8 looks?

      • David Nguyen

        Ridiculously good? I mean look at the screen to bezel ratio.

        • NexusMan

          Exactly. That’s why it looks ridiculous. You need a place to actually hold it.

      • whqhdrbs

        to me, iphone 7 looks like just came out Toy R Us by a preschooler

    • Barry Allen

      But, then they’d have to say something negative about the Google Messiah Pixel phone. But, I guess, you’d have to be able to purchase that phone almost 5 months after release in order to put one next to an S8……..

      • The Doctor

        You mean try to purchase the phone 5 months after release and be put on a six week delivery wait list?

        • David Martrano

          I ordered the XL pixal then they told me I had to wait 60 days! I said no thanks! Back orders suck. So I gave my s7 edge to my wife & I turned around & purchased the blue corral edge. We are enjoying both!

        • Barry Allen

          Dude, testify.

    • disastrousrainbow

      No, remember that hardware was UNIQUELY PERFECT with no flaws whatsoever. Look, I absolutely adored using the Pixel, it was definitely the best Android phone I have ever used, and the only one to consistently match the iPhone in terms of smooth performance, but there’s a reason why they borrowed heavily from an “outdated” design like the iPhone (with slightly smaller side bezels) and it wasn’t because it was a terrible one.

      Samsung’s definitely been leading the way with smaller bezels and all that fun stuff, but let’s be real, usability issues have arisen because of them. I experienced it with one-handed use on the S6 Edge and S7 Edge, and minimally on the Note 7 because Samsung wised up a little and made the curved edges less dramatic. If you haven’t, amazing, good for you, but read a good number of reviews and you’ll see it mentioned.

      In the end, though, I’m all for a reduction in overly large bezels, but comparing the S8 to the iPhone 7 when even the Galaxy S7 looks pretty egregious next to it is…suspicious.

    • whqhdrbs

      I read people now do a lot more on their phones than they used to even 3 years back, which is the reason why companies like LG and Samsung keep reducing the size of bezel for bigger screen size, whether people like it or not, that’s how all phones will be in 2 years of time, then there will come a new technology to cover the whole front with display(now they need place for sensors and microphone), then move on to foldable phone, then holographic ones, which many companies already started working on like Samsung and Apple…that’s how they keep selling phones

  • The Doctor

    I have an iPhone 7 Plus and the bezels don’t bother me at all. In fact, I’m one of the few people out there who prefers phones with bezels because it gives me a place to hold onto the phone. I don’t like how the S8 looks without bezels, not at all. I feel like I’m going to drop that damn thing every time I use it.

  • Me

    Guess we know how it measures up to the Pixel too

    • The Doctor

      This!

  • B!

    That iPhone 7 looks like an iPhone 4 sitting next to the S8.

  • Nick Pompei

    I’m wondering how many of you had the Note 7? If you did, you completely understand how incredible that phone/bezels were. I was so worried about the side bezels and accidental touches but that phone was so polished. If the S8 is anything like the Note 7 you guys will be shocked. The difference in the S7 to the Note 7 was literally like 10 years of innovation that happened in a few months.

    I am in no way defending Samsung (I had to give back, IMO the greatest phone ever made in the Note 7) but let’s not cut them down for completely changing the face of the phone. Bigger screen, same package. It is innovative. I’m not saying it will work out that way in terms of ergonomics but sheesh you haven’t even held or used the thing yet!

    And my god let the Iphone thing just die. They have their (same) phone year after year. Who cares. It works. We have options that they don’t. And that’s cool too.

    Rant, over.

    • New_Guy

      I’m 100% with you. The battery recall is the thing that kept it from being the greatest mobile device ever designed. Holding the phone just felt “right”. not sure else how to describe it, but it was incredibly well crafted and thoughtful in it’s design elements.

    • Jeff “BIG RED”

      I totally agree with this rant! So stoked to see how the s8+ feels in hand.

    • CornBread

      The Note 7 was the best phone I ever had and hated to return it. But I take it as a good thing being I can upgrade to the S8+ now. I’m using my old s6 edge+ right now as my back up and ready to put this to the side for the S8+!

    • Face

      Agreed the note 7 is the main reason I would pre order the S8+ 1st day with no prior thought

    • markwebb

      I totally agree! If it’s like the Note 7, it will be great. Like many, I miss the Note 7 as it was the best phone.

    • James_Kernicky

      Completely agree, when I went from the Note 7 to the S7 Edge, I hated it because of the accidental touches. It was so different, now I’m sitting on my G3 in hopes of a Note 8 being release this summer/fall

  • UniBroW

    The white iPhone always looks terrible, lets eee the black 7 plus next to it and good luck getting any of these new curved glass screens repaired. Crack that glass and its about as useful as a toilet brownie. At least with the iPhone you can walk into an Apple Store and get it fixed for under $150

    • Brian

      well stop breaking all of your screens. I’ve never cracked a screen-no screen protector or case ever as I like my phones naked(been around since the Droid Eris)

      • UniBroW

        I don’t break my screens but people obviously do so your comment is pretty dumb

  • RiceCake

    I switched to a 7+ besides worrying I will eventually get bored with iOS I have to admit I like it a lot better than my s7. It’s nice leaving the work day with 80 something percent versus 65 on a light day of s7. And the s7 started to drag. It did get 7.0 the other day so maybe I’ll run it for a few days haha. Maybe Google can win me back this year with the new pixel.

  • Murphy’s Magnet

    Every time a Samsung article is posted I feel like I’m on an Apple blog. So much hate from people spouting conjecture and unsubstantiated “facts” about a product is just sad. If you don’t like it then don’t like it. Hating on it is just a waste.

    • Dat_Raccoon

      So true! My theory is that apple tech progresses so slowly that people who will never use Android again troll these forums because things are actually happening. If you havent owned an android phone since nexus 5 you have nothing of value to contribute.

  • Michael Bassett

    Looks like Kim in between Kourtney and Khloe, I’ll let you guess which is which.

  • Kevin N

    Wow iPhone looks dated!

    • Rod

      At least it doesn’t run dated software.

  • Is it just me or does that iP6 look more like an iP4 when next to the S8/7.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio
  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    What’s crazy is that even with these smaller Bezels, it’s even harder to get your thumb to the top of the screen since the screens are longer. These won’t help with ergonomics at all.

    • Teehee

      Look at how the LG G6 fixes that problem.

      • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

        How?

        • Barry Allen

          Unfortunately, I don’t believe it does fix that problem. I believe the G6 give you an option for a nav button to pull the notification shade down. This does nothing for reaching the rest of the screen (like Apple’s Reachability) it just pulls the notification shade down. If you want to reach anything else at the top one handed, you get to try and awkwardly handle the phone (and possibly drop it) or you’re. SOL.

          • 2kool4skool

            Reachability is a joke. When you activate it, there will be an ugly empty black box on top portion of the screen. And once you press something, it will go back to its default position and you have to reactivate it if you want to press another button you can’t reach.
            Samsung one handed mode does it better, it’s persistent and will stay in its position until you tell it to go back.
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d14ee62c1ce41a0f46a4409c84df16e6f5f15c58d6a0e91cb806d2a60b125b0a.png

          • Barry Allen

            I honestly would like if Reachability and an option like this existed in iOS. I’m not a huge fan of this from Samsung because of how much it shrinks everything down, but sadly, no smartphone company (that I am aware of) has really come up with the perfect solution for large screened phones.

  • NexusMan

    Why do people on these boards always complain about bezels? That phone looks exactly like what I DON’T want. I had enough accidental touches on the S7 Edge with no side bezels. Now they took away most of the bezels on the tip and bottom too? This is only 1 of the reasons I’m not even considering another Samsung phone.

  • AvalancheRyder

    I’d love to switch back to Android from iPhone someday, but they’ll have to come up with something more compelling than smaller bezels.

    • 6th Ball

      Your name is so freakin edgy. Do you lug your giant manly bawls around in a Ferd Fteenthousand?

  • Chad

    You know that annoying problem, when you hand your phone to someone to show them something on the phone… and they hit the back button, or the home button, or lock the phone with the physical button, or touch something else on the screen because they just don’t know where to grab your phone???

    There are going to be THOSE problems with this phone.

    • Armaced

      There are those problems with every phone. But I take your meaning – this will be worse.

    • DanSan

      Don’t hand your phone to anybody. problem solved.

      you’re welcome.

  • mcdonsco

    With the G6 and Sammy’s laggy ass skin, the S8 is dead to me already.

    Sure, Sammy has greatly improved their skin, but it’s still a complete lagfest even on their own Exynos chip. I didn’t realize how bad until I picked up a G5 for a steal (haven’t used any other OEM skinned phones in a couple years) and that was proof, it ain’t skins, it’s Sammy’s skin.

    Plus, their wireless charging is at best finicky as hell since the S6.

    Note 8? Maybe, just because it’s a Note…Maybe.

  • 65caliente

    Iphone Looks bad even next to s7

    • New_Guy

      Looks like there should be a Fisher Price® logo on it somewhere

  • Ryan N

    Uhh…

    Does anyone else think they’re sacrificing usability for the “wow tiny bezel” novelty?

    • ralphwiggum1

      That’s the benefit of having a larger screen (with some smart flowing/scaling going on). With software, you can utilize all the space or make your usable space smaller or more “traditional” and use the rest of the space for Navigation buttons (replacing physical buttons) and a ticker, similar to V20 and HTC U. This should be an option (full display or “traditional display”).

    • TechGirl90

      I had that thought since the Galaxy S6 Edge kicked off. (In my opinion)

      Samsung Pay is nice though, and I wish all OEMs would implement that convenience. 🙂

      • ralphwiggum1

        Recently jumped from Google/Nexus to S7 edge (and Android Wear to Gear S2).

        Samsung Pay is much more useful and I use it more than I expected *the rewards points makes me want to use it more frequently). Gear VR is better than I thought it would be, since my only other VR experience was Cardboard. But man oh man, the phone lags doing basic tasks compared to the old Nexus 6P.

        Gear S2 looks nice and has some good features (including NFC payment), but voice is useless, and I miss Google.

        I got both of these are sub-Nexus and Android Wear prices, so now these are my “cheaper” alternatives to Pixel and LG Watch Sport .. Who’da thunk..

      • mcdonsco

        Still not sure why other OEMs couldn’t implement mst into their phones in collusion with Google and Android pay?

        Sure, Samsung did it first, but can adding mst capability for mobile payments really be something they could patent? Both technologies existed well before Samsung did anything with them.

        I don’t get it.

        • ralphwiggum1

          Samsung acquired Loop Pay with that technology before the S6. Also, at the same time, it was a bit laughable because chip cards were finally going mainstream in the US making magnetic stripe “useless” .. but here we are, still swiping most of the time.

          • mcdonsco

            Ahh, that sucks, thanks for the 411 though

          • sinfoman

            Also, it is my understanding that most of the world (not America) use non-swipe (chip and pin or contactless) readers almost exclusively. Therefore other manufacturers are hesitant to add this feature for fear of the loss of ROI.

          • BG

            does samsung pay not work if its a chip type insert reader?

          • sinfoman

            I’m not sure, as I’m in America, but I do know that when we went to Europe a few years back, we _couldn’t even use_ our swipe cards as everywhere had chip/pin and there wasn’t a magnetic reader at all (it was almost a BIG to-do; we didn’t even HAVE a chipped card at the tim. We had to find banque du change’s and get cash for all transactions It got really expensive, really quickly…). Can any of my overseas friends advise if this is accurate?
            So, if there is no magnetic reader,, it is my understanding that Samsung pay is dead in the water.

          • whqhdrbs

            I live in Europe now and it depends on the country, some European countries made it hard for businesses to have credit card acceptability for some reason, but when they do they usually have swipe-type with magnetic reader

          • disqusdeeznuts

            Yes, it works on every terminal I have run into in the US, except gas pumps where you have to insert the card. Every chip reader I have encountered has the swipe as well.

          • whqhdrbs

            wrong, there are a lot more countries with swipe-type readers than non-swipe, look at India, the US, many Europe, the inventor of Samsung pay(loop pay) said it took him 10+years to invent it and now working on insert-type reader which will make Samsung pay work at nearly 100%….others don’t do it because they can’t

    • NexusMan

      Well, that’s what happens when tech blogs are filled with people always crying about how big bezels are on phones and now even watches.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Sex Sells man.

      • Ryan N

        There’s going to be a new wave of thumb/hand injuries due to overextension. Lol

        Because of the tall screen… Not the sex thing.

        Let’s not try to imagine that.

        • Jeremy Turnley

          Why? Most people using this size of phone are already using them 2 handed. You want one handed after this year, you’ll need an iPhone – the G6 and HTC Ultra are both the same way.

      • Hack Pyre
        • sinfoman

          #NERDJOKES #FTW — well played, sir!

    • mcdonsco

      Yes…Absolutely, yes. I’ve had enough edge phones to know accidental touches absolutely ARE a thing with these phones. IMHO, those claiming it’s never ever an issue for them are just Sammy trolls.

      • Murphy’s Magnet

        Then I guess I’m a “Sammy troll”. I’m using an S7E and I’ve never had an issue with an “accidental touch”. Now, I do have a case on my phone which may be the reason, but I’m not having that problem.

        • Armaced

          I love my s7 edge, but I find “accidental touch” a problem on every smart phone I’ve had since 2010. Ever pull up a picture on your phone and hand it to someone, and when they get it it is on the home screen? Every time here.

        • New_Guy

          I concur and I don’t have a case. My wife is not a tech fan and only has the Edge because I bought it for her. She has never complained about the screen at all. I don’t get why someone has to be a troll if they enjoy something. But hey, if it makes those like mcdonsco feel better to call names then it is what it is.

        • B!

          Ditto. No accidental touches here.

        • rickinsav

          Accidental touches may not be an “issue” for you, which is entirely your valid position, however, everyone I’ve ever talked that owns an S7 edge has had accidental touches at some point, myself included. It’s highly unlikely anyone has ever used a Samsung in the past few years and not had accidental touches at some point. No trolling required.

          • sinfoman

            I have accidental touches (FYI, I LOVE that that’s a phrase and no one is snickering about it) often on my Note 4. And My S3 and… I would like to see an actual STUDY done to see if there are “accidental touches” (SNICKER) more on the S7/E than any other phone. I doubt it’s that much more, but would love to see the actual data.

        • Snowbo13

          I had a thin case on my s6e and never had a issue… without the case it was very hard to pick up off of a table. Even without the case I had minimum accidental touches. I just hope the next pixel take the same advice as the s8 and g6

          • Jeremy Turnley

            Exactly, literally any case on the phone solves all edge touch issues. That’s why you don’t generally hear people complaining about it except in threads like this one – the vast majority of Edge phone users use a case of some sort because of the huge amounts of glass on the phones.

        • Samuel Krell

          It’s cus they have little baby hands I’ve had the s6 edge now the s7 edge and love them never any problems

        • pdditty

          I didn’t experience any accidental touches when using the Note 7. Things were the opposite when I got the S7E.

      • B!

        Or, OR, some of us have grown man hands & have the pepper dexterity to use the phone.
        #trybeforeyoubuy

        • Face

          That part I had the S6 edge and note 7 and actually tried to palm touch stuff nothing happens #trybeforeyoubuylittlehandw

          • B!

            What?

          • Charles Rogers

            I wanted to ask you the same thing.

          • B!

            It’s not that hard. Go to the store & play around with it before buying it & having these “accidental touches”.

      • mjmdroid

        The S7 Edge is unusable without a case , I tried so many times not to use a case , but the accidental touches is annoying , I tried skins but even that didn’t solved it

      • Mo Satar

        Had the galaxy note edge since release and never had an issue. My wife never complained about the edge on her s7. Wonder who the real troll is.

      • dblock

        Didn’t have a single accidental touch on the Note 7 when I had it for whatever length of time I had it. The edge screen was just slight enough that it did not cause accidental touches, at least not for me. I reckon the S8 will have a similar edge display that helps prevent this as well.

      • MH

        It wasnt on my note 7, absolutely is on my S7E. I had to turn off multiwindow as it would constantly activate if I use the phone left handed.

      • Jeremy Turnley

        I agree, it’s an issue, albeit an issue which is not as bad as it once was. The Note 7 had far, far less false touch issues than the S7E, and the S7E has far less after the Nougat update than it did before.

        It’s also easily (and completely) solved by putting even the thinnest of bumper cases on the phone.

      • Charles Rogers

        I play a game on my phone, where the slightest touch off point causes a loss. This edge screen is a disaster if I’m holding my phone in any way but the “Right” one with a case one. Without the case holding it by the side my thumb contacts the screen lol. I have to say this edge screen has been more of a problem than a help. In fact, I can’t say that its ever helped, other than looking nice.

    • RiceCake

      Yeah I have giant hands and they don’t mix well with tiny bezel phones. My s7 was pushing it. When I played with the pixel in a Verizon store it was really good but no one wants a little bit of bezel anymore.

      • Ryan N

        Agreed. I’m perfectly content with the bezels on my Pixel XL. No need for them to get any smaller.

      • whqhdrbs

        actually, it’s the other way around, people want bigger display w/o the device being too large which will cause problem not only on holding it but carrying around in their pockets….then only solution is reducing the bezel, I’m sure there will be 100% bezel less phone in 2-3 years once they solve where to put all the sensors and speaker for phone call

    • New_Guy

      Sorry, both my wife and I have Galaxy S6 Edges and that’s only because we had to give back 2 Note 7’s. bought this S6E about 6 weeks after launch. Usability has never been a concern for either of us. No concerns from with the edges on the Note 7 either. I can’t see how this would be any different in my experience.

      In other words, “My body is ready….”

      • Ryan N

        Maybe not with previous models but look at the profile of that screen. Reaching for the far corner with a curved screen will (likely) cause unintentional contact by your palm…

        • New_Guy

          I don’t agree. I had the Note 7 with it’s 5.7″ screen and loved it. The S8 screen is 5.8″ which (with the curved corners) is virtually the same size.

          I’m good with it.

          • David Martrano

            Samsung has a habit of making large displays compact. I’m sure the 5.8 display will be the same lines as the s7 edge. I welcome the larger display!

          • New_Guy

            I’m really excited about the S8. Having to give up the Note 7 (twice) was pretty terrible because the phone really was all-time great engineering. As long as the battery can hold up on this one, it’s going to be a great way for Samsung to start winning back it’s customer base.

    • whqhdrbs

      I’m sure you wouldnt say that when iphone 8 with Samsung-made Amoled edge comes out, or you would say galaxy 6 copied iphone 8..

    • whqhdrbs

      BTW that latest iphone 7 looks like it came straight out of Toy R Us next to galaxy s8, what about usability of display? looks like you need a magnifying glass to use that funny looking iphone 7

  • ralphwiggum1

    How could LG G6, Samsung Galaxy S8 (and some alleged rumors of iPhone) be similar? Rounded corners and extra wide screen for smaller bezels? Did LG do some more of the corporate espionage stuff? Was it Samsung? Was this a coincidence?

    • ralphwiggum1

      The benefits of round corners on the screen are “less likely to break” (still true of the edges on the S8?), and the benefits of the longer screen are small device, more vertical real estate for scrolling… but how could it be a coincidence? HOW!!

      And the iPhone looks so dated.

      Yes, I replied to myself :

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      LG is the baby brother that copies big Bro Samsung. But it’s hard to hide these kinds of secrets when you’re two massive corporations in the same country.

  • treid008

    The gif 😂😂😂😂

  • Tyler Durden

    Well you could wait for the iPhone this year that has no bezels like the S8 lol but yeah I’m sure the old device with LCD is bigger.

    • This is Apple. We’ll hear all about how innovative the new iPhone will be and then 2 weeks before it’s announced, everyone will walk all those stories back with, “NEXT YEAR! NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE BIG CHANGE.”

      • Barry Allen

        Lol, you know full well that Apple has had their slimmed bezel design ready for years to launch it this fall. Do you know how I know Samsung decided to hop to it when they caught wind Apple was planning to do this design the right way? They wanted to include a fingerprint sensor below the glass (which Apple has several published patents for) but they ran out of time and put it BY THE FREAKING CAMERA AND FLASH because they rang out of time. Why did they run out of time? That would be because, again, they caught wind of what Apple was planning, did a classic Samsung move try to emulate it, and now has the stupidest implementation of a fingerprint reader I’ve ever seen because it of.

        • AppleFanboys

          Then you realize Samsung and Synoptics filed their patent 5 months before Apple. Then you look at the patents filed and realize they are totally different systems. While Apple is working with some no name Chinese company to simply embed a 2nd screen under an OLED screen, Samsung and Synoptics patents show their scanners aren’t just for fingerprint reading, but also swipe functionality and factial recognization scanner built into the fingerprint sensor. Yeah sounds complicated? Samsung got greedy by trying to bring the consumers a radical new technology but couldn’t finish in time. Apple’s fingerprint screen is a rumor and yet you already jumped on their bandwagon.

          • Barry Allen

            Ok, first, who is Synoptics? Do you mean Synaptics maybe?

            Second, OBVIOUSLY they are ‘totally different systems’. I wasn’t claiming Samsung was using the same exact tech, that would be illegal lol although Samsung has lost in court several times for directly copying so there’s that…….

            Third, I was saying Samsung obviously rushed their design for a fingerprinter reader under the glass, and this is made obvious by the fact that they are rushing out the Galaxy S8 with, again, the worst placement I have seen on a phone.

            Fourth, did you read your comment before publishing? At first, you’re arguing with me about who put out a patent first, then you’re agreeing with me that Samsung got greedy and tried to, again, rush out a technology that wasn’t ready because they were trying (and failing) to beat the iPhone to the punch.

            Fifth, do you have a source for the patent being released 5 months before Apple? I have a source (http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/10/04/apple-patents-fingerprint-sensor-that-works-through-displays-hints-at-iphone-8-tech) that mentions the patent was originally filed in September 2014, do you have a source saying Samsung (or Synaptics) filed theirs in April 2014? And if you have that, does the release date of the patent matter much if the company instead pulls a stupid move and release a phone missing the features it patented first?

            Edit: Included link for source for September 2014

        • John Hanssma

          wait what? You do know Samsung has been working on edge to edge display since the S6 edge? also, it’s funny how people can accuse a company that actually has the technology to mass manufacturer bezeless OLED displays and take side to the ones that are buying the display.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            It’s actually a year before that, with the Note Edge. 🙂

        • steadymobb

          The s series always comes out this time of year. They couldn’t get the tech quite right because that wanted it to be functioning in the best way possible. If anything, they DIDN’T rush the tech by not using it half baked

          • Barry Allen

            Rushing the tech is EXACTLY what they did. This article (https://www.google.com/amp/www.droid-life.com/2017/03/13/report-galaxy-s8-fingerprint-reader-backside-time-ran-%25C2%25AF_%25E3%2583%2584_%25C2%25AF/amp/) from this same site spells this out. They tried beating Apple to the punch by attempting to release screen tech before Apple, failed, then paid for it by placing the fingerprint sensor in the top corner by the camera and flash. Samsung screwed up and now customers get the dumbest fingerprint sensor on the market.

          • steadymobb

            Rushing it would be putting it in half baked, not working well. Instead they realized they wouldn’t hit deadline while implementing it perfectly so went with an alternative. I don’t necessarily like the alternative but I’ll hold judgement until real life use.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            Rushing something is a company pushing out an OS patch to all of their customers that disables the phone’s calling features, or releasing a laptop that has only a single port on it to handle charging and peripherals but not including a cable so you can do both at once.

            Not rushing is seeing that a feature isn’t ready and NOT pushing it out.

          • Barry Allen

            I definitely see your point about the OS patch going out that disabled calling features. I think someone got fired over it, so shame on Apple. I wouldn’t call releasing a laptop with one single port ‘rushing’. What indication is there that it was rushed out? Are you implying because it doesn’t have as many charging ports as you would personally like then that must mean it was rushed out?

            Samsung absolutely rushed out this phone. They had to after the Note 7 debacle. My point (if you read my comments carefully) has never been that they rushed out a broken product. My point is IN THEIR RUSH to beat Apple to the punch, they did not wait for the tech to be ready, and now are paying for it with a fingerprint sensor placement that was obviously a last minute “Oops, guess we better take that on somewhere!” move.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            All you need to do is look at the reviews of the MacBook to see that they rushed it. Not doing proper focus group testing to see how public opinion will land is just as bad as not doing proper QA to see if an update causes major functional issues. If Apple had done proper customer focus tests, they would have included a pass-through adapter in the box. Either that, or they ignored said focus groups and purposely didn’t include one and made a deliberate choice to make people pay an extra $50 to get one. Either way, bad on Apple.

            You seem to be under the impression that a company can throw an object as technically complicated as a smartphone together in a month or two. That is simply not the case – it takes many months, sometimes years to get all the engineering in line to make everything work. Design on a phone usually starts well before the last years model is launched.

            You seem to imply that they could just cut an extra hole in the back and literally shove a sensor in it, which is obviously not true – the logistics of ordering and manufacturing the sensors themselves so they can even BE installed takes months, as anyone who ever had a product manufactured for them will tell you. Modifications to the frame, the wiring, the cabling, the power routing all in the very, very tight tolerances of the inside of a smartphone, all take engineering and time.

            The fact that they are able to launch this phone in the exact timeframe that has been rumored for 5 months (since the first rumors of a pushed back launch to account for extra battery safety tests) says one thing: they had parallel designs in the works, one with the under screen sensor, and one with the back sensor as a fallback. They probably had one or two other prototypes in development as well, at least produced to the point of a near final state. That’s how design works; you don’t throw all your eggs into one basket, you put together a lot of designs, and then have engineers, executives, accountants, and focus groups look at them to get their feedback. You then narrow the field down to a short list of prototypes, and make a final decision which one you want to go with. Sometimes that decision gets made based on costs, sometimes it’s because a feature isn’t ready, sometimes the parts needed are in short supply, sometimes the focus groups strongly favor one over the others. It’s almost never a last minute “wait, we’re doing this instead” kind of decision.

          • Barry Allen

            First – Apple doing customer focus test groups. HAHAHAHAHA. Seriously, that’s a good one lol

            Second – I’m going to suggest you navigate to this link (http://www.droid-life.com/2017/03/13/report-galaxy-s8-fingerprint-reader-backside-time-ran-¯_ツ_¯/) published by this very site we are commenting on. I direct your attention to the 4th paragraph which literally states the decision was made at the last minute. Actually read the article and it just the title of the link.

            Third – I find it amusing that you think Samsung planned out (and then failed to deliver) a fingerprint reader under the glass before they heard Apple was doing it. Amusing I say!

            Fourth – Apple and customer focus test groups. HA! Seriously, that’s a good one.

          • Jeremy Turnley

            Yeah, I already read that article. However, you seem to be under the impression that they just suddenly designed a while new phone when they made that decision. There’s nothing there that implies anything of the sort. They almost certainly made a last minute decision to go with their backup design, not to scrap everything and start over – that could literally not have happened for the reasons I mentioned before. You truly understand nothing about engineering if you think they could do that. The latest they could have made the decision to go with the current design would have to be December or so, because it takes that long for a company to source, order and receive the components, and we know for a fact that the phone went into full production in late February/early March to meet their target goal of 10 million units at launch. None of this stuff happens overnight, bud – especially the delivery of 10 million fingerprint readers.

            As to your frankly crazy idea that Samsung threw together an under-glass reader phone idea because Apple was RUMORED to be doing one, that’s an opinion that you are free to have. I prefer to keep my thoughts on the rational side of things and think that companies don’t spend hundreds of millions of dollars on designs based on what a competitor MIGHT be doing, and rather focus that money and effort towards doing things that they think will make customers want to buy their products instead.

            But hey, you’re an Apple fanboi, so I guess I can expect that you are used to the idea that companies just build crap for the heck of it and constantly be needing to steal other companies ideas. Since the loss of Steve Jobs, that’s literally all Apple has managed to do.

    • Barry Allen

      Nah, we better compare a brand new product to the product that came out in the previous year, not the one it’ll be directly competing with. Get out of here with that crazy talk!

      • alberteezy

        Well first of all the comparison can’t be done since Apple hasn’t released their new phone yet and second the whole reason to compare it next to the iPhone 7 is to show how small the S8 will be regardless of the 5.9″ display. The whole bezeless trend thing has been done before by LG and other companies so don’t defend Apple.

        • ralphwiggum1

          S8 hasn’t been released or announced yet, either.

          • alberteezy

            Yes but the prototype can be compared to ANY phone since the phones are out there and close to be released. If it makes you feel better provide us with an iPhone 7s prototype to make a fair comparison.

        • Barry Allen

          Don’t defend Apple? Lol when it comes to comparing Samsung and Apple, I’ll always defend Apple. Samsung makes some good looking phones but there is no denying they screwed up in their rush to beat this iPhone to market. Publically available patents and widely circulated reports show Apple has the means and know-how to implement a under-glass fingerprint sensor. Samsung clearly screwed themselves by trying to do it first, and paid for it with the worst placed fingerprint sensor, bar none. I don’t even need to defend Apple on this one, the idiocy of the fingerprint design on this phone speaks for itself.

          • Allen Barry

            How about you actually look up those patents you keep referring to. Apple’s implementation isn’t some new radical way. In fact it’s not even Apple working on it, but a different company they are buying it from. Samsung and Synapsis’s implementation is way different and something Apple’s tech won’t even come close to (if we are going by filed patents like you say).

          • Barry Allen

            I’m going to go ahead and direct you to this link here (https://9to5mac.com/2016/05/18/home-button-in-iphone-display-screen/), This talks about patents using things like sonar imaging in the phone for an accurate read-out of fingerprint reading.

            You’re argument makes no sense as for as ‘a different company they are buying it from’, I’m pretty certain Apple develops all their fingerprint tech in-house after buying Authentec, but if not, isn’t Samsung using a different company with Synaptics? You understand Samsung and Synaptics are not the same company right? So Apple is either making it in-house (which patents suggest) or they are working in conjunction with another company, just like Samsung is doing, so I think you’re point is a little flimsy…….

          • Evan

            First of all, its quite funny watching you defend Apple to death. Second, you claim that Samsung “clearly screwed themselves by trying to do it first…” ummm when did they release a phone with a fingerprint sensor embedded directly in the screen? Just because there have been rumors, patents, prototypes, etc does NOT mean they have released a product that fails to do its job. Second, there have been quite a few phones with the reader placed on the back and I doubt they have all been a massive fail. Your attempt to undermine Samsung’s tech and adore Apple is futile.

          • Barry Allen

            I never said they released a phone with a fingerprint sensor under the screen. I said Samsung attempted to rush out a fingerprint sensor under the screen, and failed, then tacked it on the back up by the camera and flash in the corner, just about the most awkward position possible to reach.

            I also never said all phones with fingerprint sensors on the back are ‘massive failures’. Those were your words. Phones like the Pixel, G6, etc implement it well and not in half-assed way. I’ve only specifically said Samsung is a joke with their last minute, awful fingerprint sensor placement and failure after trying to rush out screen tech just to beat Apple to it. Which they failed at. Miserably. I’m glad it’s quite funny watching Samsung making poor decisions, it is futile to expect different from them.

          • Evan

            Again, how would you know if Samsung attempted to rush out a phone with those specs you mentioned? If they haven’t announced or released anything, then they haven’t failed at anything. That was their choice. If they really wanted to do it, they would have by now. The fact that its in a bad position is subjective; many people seem to not mind it. I would have preferred it in the front, but alas.

            In the end its Samsung that makes the money as they provide a plethora of manufacturers with parts such as the displays. Now I do like Apple products and use them continuously, but lets be real – Samsung does a better job at most things that Apple fails at. Miserably.

          • Barry Allen

            For your first point, I direct you to this link published by Droid Life (http://www.droid-life.com/2017/03/13/report-galaxy-s8-fingerprint-reader-backside-time-ran-¯_ツ_¯/amp/)/)

            Secondly, are you serious? Apple is one of the most profitable companies in the entire world. Samsung makes the money? Do you understand how much money Apple makes every quarter? Let alone every year?

            And Samsung does a better job at most things Apple fails at? Please name one? Updates? Any kind of continuity it between products? Non-exploding phones that have to be completely recalled? Selling 1 billion models of a device? A tablet that actually sells? Losses in a court room where they were literally charged with ripping them off? Exploding dryers? A failing VR headset that essentially doesn’t sell unless Samsung includes it for free? Please, seriously, name anything that Samsung objectively does better than Apple. Android doesn’t count considering Samsung doesn’t own or create it.

          • Face

            Samsung still makes better phones

          • Evan

            Yes, although I never claimed that Apple was not making money. I’m just saying both companies are doing just fine.

            Objectively, Samsung will defeat Apple in almost every category. Better hardware, better cameras, more choices, expandable memory, water and dust resistance, superb customization, more market share, and how about truly innovating as opposed to using old tech and convincing everyone that they invented it. Android as a whole doesn’t count since many companies use it, but not a single manufacturer can compare to the dominance that Samsung carries. Oh, and maybe not being the number one most sued company in the world. https://www.appleworld.today/blog/2015/8/6/apple-hangs-onto-its-title-as-the-most-sued-company
            But you keep drinking that Apple kool-aid on an Android blog. Now get out.

          • BobButtons

            I like how ‘Barry Allen’ says Samsung is copying Apple while acknowledging the tech is different and they’re releasing it first…. If Samsung does it first, they’re rushing to market to preemptively copy Apple… if Samsung does it second, it’s a blatant copy of something Apple already did. This is how you detect true fanboy-ism that doesn’t care about the truth. They’ve rationalized every outcome to come out in their favor. Heads I win, tails you lose.

          • Barry Allen

            Mr. Buttons, you are making the same mistake several other commentators made. I never said Samsung was copying Apple. I said Samsung tried and failed to rush out an inferior product to attempt to beat Apple to the punch. I’ve only ever said Samsung has attempted to rush out THEIR OWN terrible solution prior to the iPhone release in September and failed miserably, as evidenced by the fact that they placed the fingerprint sensor in the stupidest spot I have ever seen on a smartphone. You’re talking about two different things. Samsung tried to do it first, with A DIFFERENT, INFERIOR PRODUCT and failed. Apple will do it first, because they didn’t try to RUSH OUT THEIR PRODUCT and Samsung will follow in 2018 WITH THEIR OWN PRODUCT THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE GIVEN MORE TIME TO IN THE FIRST PLACE, instead of rushing out their S8 with the awful fingerprint sensor placement because of running out of time. Please read carefully through previous comments if this has been difficult for you to grasp.

          • BobButtons

            Probably because every time an OEM releases a feature after Apple that’s remotely similar they get lambasted for copying Apple, yet when Apple does it, they’re still somehow the first even if they weren’t (ie headphone jack). I don’t blame Samsung for trying to get something, anything, out the door first to show they’re not following in Apple’s every footstep. Not saying it was the right choice by any means, just understandable.

          • Barry Allen

            First of all, I’d like to tell you how tough and intimating you are with the “now get out”. Really? Get out of the internet? The website? Droid-Life wants all of us here. More traffic = better for Droid Life. So no, Evan Tough Guy, I won’t “get out”, I think I’ll stay.

            Second, could you possibly have picked worse examples? Better hardware, better in this instance meaning better at exploding? I don’t recall the last time Apple had to recall an entire product line so that it wouldn’t burn or kill people? Better camera? This is super subjective. Some sites say iPhone 7, others say Samsung, others say Pixel, others say G6, that’s a terrible argument to try and make. More choices? Galaxy S7/S7 Edge, iPhone 7/7 Plus. Don’t try and talk about all the cheap as hell low-spec phones they offer, we’re talking about flagship phones. Expandable memory, sure you can have that one. Water and dust resistance, iPhone has that as well. Superb customization? I guess putting skins on things is super customization awesome LULZ cool, but I prefer a phone that doesn’t look like crap straight out of the box. And again, using a tired old talking point about “innovating as opposed to old tech and convincing everyone they invented it”. This is a really tired talking point that has just about zero validity to it. I haven’t seen you mention a single, original thought, just repeated talking points.

            Third, I’ve decided you can now stay. Getting out doesn’t make much sense on ya know, the internet, considering it isn’t a physical place…… but I’d expect that kind of confused logic from a Samsung apologist so, carry on.

          • alberteezy

            I’m not talking about your Samsung rushed to beat apple rant you’ve gone with. I’m talking about that you are upset because the phone was compared to last year’s iPhone model. Well there is no prototype available to compare side by side is there? & Like I mentioned the comparison is all about showing how compact the S8 will be not to say it’s better than Apple. If it was compared to any phone with bigger bezels like the ZTE axon or the pixel I would have still reacted the same way.

      • Me

        Unless you have a iPhone 8 prototype, you’re missing the point.

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    Been reading DL for years, I think this is the first time that Kellen has put a GIF in the body of a post. Now that this line has been crossed, there’s no going back Kellen.

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