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Samsung Starts Production on 10nm Processors, Possibly for the Snapdragon 830

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Last night, Samsung announced that it has started mass production on a new mobile processor built with 10-nanometer FinFET technology. If accompanying reports are correct, this production round could be for Qualcomm’s next flagship processor, the Snapdragon 830, that will be featured in next year’s Galaxy S8 and other flagship phones. 

Samsung’s announcement didn’t specify a processor that this new 10nm technology would fit into, instead only suggesting that it would launch in “digital devices ” early next year and throughout 2017. They also said that compared to 14nm processors, this new chipset allows 27% higher performance with 40% less power consumption, but that they’ll have a 2nd-gen version for the 2nd half of 2017 with another “performance boost.”

Wait, so this wasn’t an announcement for a new Exynos chipset? Nope. According to ETNews, Samsung is more than likely using this 10nm tech in Qualcomm’s upcoming Snapdragon 830 processor. In fact, their sources are under the impression that Samsung is making all of the Qualcomm’s Snapdragon 830s, partly because the two struck some sort of deal to feature it in the Galaxy S8.

If the Snapdragon 830 plays out like this year’s Snapdragon 820(14nm), we could see the 830 for most of the year, followed by an 831 towards the back-end. Should that be the case, I hope the 831 is more widely adopted. I say that because for 2016, the only phones so far really running a Snapdragon 821 are Google’s new Pixel phones.

Either way, 10nm should mean more performance with better battery life.

Via:  Samsung | ETNews
  • Sofa Sofa

    This is a tough one, is 830 snapdragon worth waiting to see on a tablet or should i go for a LG v20

  • Nujad Bolivar

    Breaking news from trusted anonymous source: Pixel 2 & Pixel XL 2 will have the Snapdragon 831.

  • Cole

    I thought there was another phone with the 821.

  • calculatorwatch

    Perhaps this will be the year that Samsung actually manages to get Touchwiz to run well on a Qualcomm chip. So far the performance has been horrible compared to how it runs on Exynos chips, which is always bad news for US consumers that only have access to the Qualcomm version.

    • I guess I am part of the “never knew I missed it because I never had it” camp, I have had my S7 since launch and I have not experienced any jank, my phone has been pretty smooth, and battery is doing great. I know Exynos is suppose to be so much better but the VZW version isn’t a slouch by any means.

  • Brandon Sobotta

    This is kind of exciting. This being said, unless some other company can offer what the S8 has, ill probably be jumping on the Samsung bandwagon, after fighting it since the disappointment of my moment and epic.

    • Cole

      Apple’s chips usually always outperform any Android. Sad but true. The A10 destroys the 821.

      • Brandon Sobotta

        I don’t swing apples way. So that’s a no go.

  • Suicide_Note

    Hopefully that means the 831 will show up in next year’s Pixel offering.

    • Along with wireless charging, front-facing speakers, and IP68 🙂 THAT would be enough for me to jump from the 6P.

      • MicroNix

        Those are extra features that just don’t belong on plain vanilla Android phones! Why start now?

        • Cole

          Remember the pixels are not stock Android. And why do you say those awesome features don’t belong on a pixel. I think for the pixels price range that those should be included.

      • michael arazan

        Now that there is fast wireless charging no reason not to, especially if they are charging $700+ for these devices.

    • ConCal

      There has been talk of Google perhaps tweaking the SoC to their own liking so they’re may even be a Google custom 831?

  • seattle tech

    “this new chipset allows 27% higher performance OR 40% less power consumption”
    Should be “or” not “with”. Big difference.
    10nm mmm. Can’t believe we are already at 10nm without samsung we would probably still be at 28nm.

  • GJV

    What does “more performance” mean exactly? Unless he’s referring to the phone running for a longer period of time, I assume Kellen means better performance.

    • Aaron

      MOAR GEEBEES, MOAR MEGAPIXELS, MOAR MOAR!!!

      • Falcon

        Since the sd801. The upgrades in performance came at the cost of battery life. Thankfully exynos exists.

  • Ben Notaro

    Legend has it that this processor can blaze through tasks so quickly it caught fire!

  • ddevito

    Qualcomm (and the rest) are lagging behind Apple big time. Thankfully iOS isn’t taking advantage of it yet so most people don’t notice the HUGE difference.

    • Tyler Durden

      We’ve hit a point on iOS where the only thing slowing it down are the animations

      • Tim P

        Run that dumb iOS on a 1440p screen with real multi tasking features and see that A10 chip/fruit OS crawl..

        • Tyler Durden

          the resolution is hardly the reason for powerful chips considering no applications take use of it especially games

          • Tim P

            Resolution matters alot for reading, 1440p text is much easier and readable than 1080p.

          • GJV

            That’s probably not true on a 4.7″ screen.

        • Tyler Durden

          Also, iPad Pro is running it flawless at over 1440p resolution. 2732 x 2048

          • Tim P

            Yes @264ppi, you must be a Trumpster.

          • Tyler Durden

            You do know, bigger screens have less PPI, right?????????

      • flosserelli

        And that can be remedied if jailbroken.

        • Tyler Durden

          Or turning them off in the settings
          It just looks weird

  • Sometimes_floss

    I mean, we know the phone won’t feel any faster or smoother then the S7 or S6, S5 etc because Samsung does an atrocious job of optimizing android and touchwiz with their hardware, but it will be neat to know the S8 does have an awesome chip!

    • Josh LaCelle

      That was the dumbest comment ever! We all know touchwiz is garbage, but we also all know that the touchwiz is only getting better and not worse.

    • sinfoman

      I’m shocked this wasn’t Tim P’s comment…

      • sinfoman

        And…. I just read his comment below.

    • John

      Running a stock s7 Edge unlocked phone. Smooth as butter with Touchwiz. Blame the carriers for loading it up with crap that runs in the background.

      • flosserelli

        Give it a few weeks….

    • calculatorwatch

      This is true if by “their hardware” you mean “Qualcomm’s hardware”. They have done a great job optimizing it for Exynos chips.

  • Jake Montague

    Alright guys today im taking the plunge to Android (iPhone user here) and since the note 7 is dead i want to try the Samsung Galaxy S7 edge. My brother has it and i like it from playing with it for a couple mins. Is that a good choice to choose or should i wait for the s8 but i know thats months away end of Feb. Any suggestions please.

    • Tyler Durden

      S7 Edge is your best choice, even if the Note 7 was still here, the S7 Edge is the best.

    • Tim P

      Go for Pixel XL to really appreciate Android, I would caution you against any TouchWiz phone as they become laggy over the time.

      • seattle tech

        Just for fun I have installed Pixel Launcher and Google assistant on my s7 edge. Now I have a full pixel phone with smaller bezels and waterproof.

        • Tim P

          But that junky bloated TouchWiz is still running in the background.

          • seattle tech

            I wonder how many times you have thought or typed the words touchwiz lol

        • Rod
        • Duffman

          Except it’ll never get updates…

          • seattle tech

            It is funny how Google got so many people to fear the security updates. Perfect right before their own pixel phone launch. Too bad samsung has been excellent with monthly security updates which are constantly updated on touchwiz roms.

          • Duffman

            I’m not talking about security updates. It’ll be at least 3 more months until the S7 sees 7.0 And will it even see 7.1? Major updates are still a huge issue for Samsung.

          • seattle tech

            Does anyone really care after marshmallow? You bring up a good point what is 7.1 anyways? 7.0 with software being held hostage now by google? google assistant? Most the features google have been adding are already on oem phones.

          • Duffman

            But those features are added to the core of the OS when they’re done by Google. Plus an update isn’t just about the GUI, there are usually tons of under the hood upgrades, as well as new APIs. I think this is why Android apps aren’t usually as good as iOS. Apple keeps many devices up to date, with almost all that get updated supporting the new APIs that developers can take advantage of. I believe that those who keep says “we don’t need updates” or “touchwiz already has that” are only hurting Android and development of the Android ecosystem. That and if you’re going to pay $800 for a phone, it should be supported in a timely manner. But that’s just me.

          • seattle tech

            Lollipop & Marshmallow brought parity to hardware. The general population doesn’t cares of the incremental improvements in nougat. What Google is becoming is an apple clone and with apple bringing features now that are in parity with android (waterproof dual speakers etc) Why would you want a google phone for the same price when you can have an iphone that is much faster and runs apps and games so much smoother? You can get every google app on ios and even better versions.

          • Duffman

            Which is why I’m Strongly thinking of watching to iOS when the next iPhone is released. My 6P will most likely not see anymore major updates and Android has become a bit of a mess lately.

          • MicroNix

            There’s a difference between Google phones (Nexus and Pixel) and an OEM like Samsung. When crap goes wrong with the .0 version, only 1%-2% are Nexus users running it and have come to expect problems with new versions. Samsung delivers to millions of people who don’t expect issues. Anyone who has any experience in software releases knows you don’t want to release a brand new version to the majority of the users or the customer service lines will be overloaded if there’s a bug(s). You release to those who will tolerate issues in exchange for first dibs which is exactly what happens with Android. Thank you Nexus users for being the beta testers for major new versions.

          • MicroNix

            Actually major updates are *not* a huge issue for Samsung. They’ve been better than most in the last few major updates. In fact, they’ve waited just long enough so that all the beta testers (I mean Nexus users) find all the horrendous bugs before releasing it to the VAST MAJORITY of ANDROID USERS. And we thank you for finding them and living with them until Google releases the .1 version with all the fixes that should have made it in the .0 version.

          • Duffman

            Except when so many phones got only 6.0 when all the bugs weren’t really fixed until 6.0.2 (or was it 6.2). Anywho, even Google doesn’t get everything right and it OEMs jump on the first stable build, those handsets don’t get the bug fixes either.

        • James Cooper

          Someone stop this man – hes made a decent handset.

      • MicroNix

        I would advise Jake not to listen to a word Tim P says since his only posts at DL solely rip on Samsung. He’s the local Samsung troll. The Galaxy S7 is an excellent device. If you don’t use Verizon or Sprint you might want the international version of the S7 Edge. It has Sammy’s processors in it and is generally faster with better battery life than the US version.

    • Lilo

      It really depends on what kind of user you are. If you’re into modding or toying with your phones (jailbreak or root) just go for a pixel. Everyday passive users are more than fine with any galaxy but just a heads up, a lot of friends and family always tell me the curves on the edge takes some getting used to. If you want something bigger and don’t mind waiting for a bit then there’s the LG v20. Or if you don’t want to spend so much and get a good clean Google experience you can always get a nexus 6p or 5x through fi and cancel service after the first month

      • demarcmj

        Agree with all of that, but you don’t have to wait a whole month to cancel Fi. The Fi promotion just requires you to activate the phone on Fi. It doesn’t say you have to stick with Fi for any period of time. You could cancel it the next day and they’ll refund all of the unused days.

        • Lilo

          Haven’t really kept up with fi too much so you’re probably right on that part

      • Cole

        Waiting for a bit lol it comes out this month lol

    • nachofrand

      Get a Galaxy s7 if you want. Hands down I’d recommend the Google pixel. I have the s7 after coming back to try Samsung since the S3. Just as disappointing as before. There are 2 apps for everything Samsung wants you to use their stuff and Google wants you to use theirs. Just get a pixel man. It’s the iPhone of Android. Googles first phone. There really no reason not to get that over the s7.

      Side note: I think the edge is annoying. Sometimes you’re accidentally touching it or you have to hold it awkwardly. Just try laying down in bed and using the phone like you normally would.

      • Daistaar

        You’d hands-down recommend a phone that’s not out that you’ve never seen or used?

        • Duffman

          Who wouldn’t? Samsung’s software blows. And this guy is coming from iPhone. He’ll never see an update on a Samsung.

      • Jake Montague

        Well alot of it is i want to try samsung pay! im a big mobile payments dude. I know i can flash ROMs and have fun that way.

        • nachofrand

          Samsung pay is definitely nice and cool, although in the future it shouldn’t matter since there will be nfc terminals. Up to you though man

          • Jake Montague

            Yeah but it’ll take retailers another couple years by then i’ll have another phone.

          • nachofrand

            True as well. I notice that I still carry a wallet everywhere. I cannot rely on Samsung pay for everything. Therefore there’s no difference to me.

          • Cole

            Yeah people still carry wallets. For their driver license. I wonder when there will be digital licenses.

    • John

      Go to bestbuy and pick up an unlocked version. SM-G935U model. Running it for a few days since returning the Note 7. No carrier crap running in the background and it runs beautifully. It only comes in silver though if you’re not picky about color.

    • Pakmann2k

      I have owned a list of Androids too long to list and i will say the s7 edge is one of the best pieces of hardware ever. As far as whiz, i use Nova launcher, as i have since my Nexus and Droid days and that makes my user experience alike across multiple platforms. Yes, people say that whiz is still running in the background, but A. there is no noticeable performance issue, B. there is no power drain issues, and C. with A and B, i could care less. Micro SD, waterproof, excellent camera, and tons of support with cases and accessories, I am happy as a pig in mud. I say drop the hammer, you can always make a change later. Pixl is neat but i was tired of having niche phones with almost no support in terms of aftermarket stuff. If you were ever jealous of the ecosphere of things offered for the iphone, this will satisfy those wants.

      • James Cooper

        I’m a long time Nexus owner – but that Pixel pricing makes me think of doing something similar with the s8 edge/whatever next year.
        And sweet 6P + 7.1 in the mean time.

      • Cole

        TouchWiz is more than just the launcher. You know that though. Letting the guy above you know since he’s new.

  • Josh LaCelle

    I am sure everyone will agree with me on this, some might not, but the Galaxy S8 will blow the competition away, again. Go Samsung!

    • Tyler Durden

      blow away android* competition

      • Josh LaCelle

        I beg to differ… the S8 will be explosive in every way 😉

        • Aaron

          Sales are gonna be incendiary.

    • James Cooper

      Its going to be really interesting – this is the handset set to be the iphone 8’s competition.

    • Marikel

      From what I’ve heard, they’re gonna try to beat Apple to the punch with the display covering the entire face of the device. That would help Samsung a lot after the whole Note 7 cancelation.

    • Cole

      The note 7 incidents is really going to hurt Samsung’s name and keep people away from the s8 and future Samsung’s IMO

  • alberteezy

    Kellen you must of forgot about the Asus Zen Phone 3 deluxe special edition with a 821, 6GB, and 256GB of storage.

  • MichaelFranz

    Obligatory “Will it burst into flames/explode?” comment since its samsung related….

    i kid i kid

  • Tyler Durden

    Curious to see if the A10X will be 10nm or if they’ll wait for next year.

  • john lens

    Come on, put the new processor in the Note 8 so we can buy it!

    • Spinach Chin

      There already is a Note 8

      • demarcmj

        You’re thinking of the Note 8.0
        BIIIIG difference!

        • Spinach Chin

          Technicality 🙂

        • Aaron

          Samsung’s confusing naming scheme was just about to catch up to them. Now we’ll probably see an S8 Pro or something instead of a Note. Crisis averted?

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    But let’s be honest the 820 was a massive jump in stability from the 810. The “performance” boost of the 831 would be almost negligible since it may mean a hit to power consumption.

    • mickeyB88

      I’m surprised that the mobile chipset industry hasn’t been developing the same way as PC chipsets. As in, the tick-tock method. Although Intel skewed that recently with their whole new architecture->make it better->optimize for power steps. I agree though, unless the 830-831 gives that ultimate performance-battery life balance, it’s just gonna be another year of great mobile CPUs but crap battery life.

      • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

        Funny thing is that you said the “PC chipset” industry and I actually had to think about who is the industry outside of Intel… Is AMD still ticking?

        • mickeyB88

          They are but all about those APUs now. They’re planning on getting back into the high-end with their Zen architecture but i think that’s late next year or something.

      • DanG

        27% performance increase and 40% power consumption decrease..

        • mickeyB88

          For the 820?

          • DanG

            comparison to 14nm processors.

    • seattle tech

      It should run the same performance as the 820 with up to 40 percent better battery life.

    • T4rd

      I’m more concerned about power efficiency than performance now. Mobile SoC performance has been more than adequate for the past couple years, so anything extra is just gravy. Now they just need to focus on saving power, though I’m not saying they shouldn’t improve performance, but both are normal byproducts of a die-shrink anyways.