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Verizon Responds to FCC Over Throttling Questions: Unlimited Data Users Have “No Incentive Not to” Hog Resources

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Shortly after we first reported Verizon’s plans to begin throttling unlimited 4G LTE data users who gobble up enough data (4.7GB per month) to land them in the top 5% of the carrier’s data users, the FCC sent a letter to VZW CEO Dan Mead, asking for answers to a couple of questions about the new policy. Today, The Verge claims to have received a copy of the letter that Verizon’s SVP of federal regulatory affairs sent in response. This official response comes on the heels of the brief statement that Big Red issued last week, which basically said that they stand by their “Network Optimization” of unlimited data users. 

So what does the official response say? Well, without the letter we are at the mercy of The Verge’s take, which says that Verizon stresses to the FCC that customers will only see throttling “under very limited circumstances.” We already knew this from Verizon’s Network Optimization policy, but Big Red again notes that throttling happens on “particular cell sites experiencing unusually high demand,” but will will stop once a customers moves off of the strained cell site.

“Our practice is a measured and fair step to ensure that this small group of customers do not disadvantage all others in the sharing of network resources during times of high demand,” Verizon said, because unlimited data users have “no incentive not to” gobble up network resources. In other words, Verizon can’t stand it that unlimited data users still exist and might use up a lot of data that they can’t monetize, so they want to penalize them to try and get them onto a much more Verizon-friendly, revenue increasing, tiered data plan. As I pointed out the other day, tiered data plan users, even those with big data pots that likely use more than the 4.7GB per month that Verizon has declared as the top 5%, are not throttled.

Verizon also mentioned that all of the other carriers are throttling customers, but that their policy is more tailored and only happens on congested sites, whereas its competitors throttle you regardless of a cell site’s situation.

As expected, Verizon is standing by its policy, which they figure only affects a very small portion of its customers.

Via:  The Verge
  • pyro74boy .

    Verizon can make all the excuses they want but this has to do with one thing ONLY the fact that Verizon is not making money off of it’s unlimited data customers. END OF STORY. I don’t expect people who work for Verizon to agree with me.

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

      They are making money off us … just not as much as they’d like.

      • Droid 1967

        that be true!

  • antinorm

    No incentive not to hog resources? That doesn’t mean you get to ignore the “no throttling” rule you agreed to when you purchased all that LTE spectrum, Verizon.

  • DJyoSNOW

    I guess I need to call in… So my plan is 6 gigs, is going to be throttled? Though is that going to keep users off the network?

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

      They are only going to throttle unlimited users. If you have a 6 gig plan then this should not affect you.

  • MacNificent

    I just hope that top executive’s (or however counts up top) kids at Verizon read Driod-Life’s articles and comments and have an open relationship with their parents.

  • skinja

    The real problem here is that they are only planning to Throttle Unlimited Customers; While at the same time, allowing customers who are paying for each GB of data to burn through it as fast as they can.

  • Patrick Smithopolis

    Verizon has data plans up to 100GB. Will they be throttling those customers? Why are they even offering plans that will lead to a congested network.

  • Michael Quinlan

    What seems to get lost in all these discussions about throttling and abuse of unlimited data is that the delivery mechanism – TCP/IP – naturally shares bandwidth. Just because someone is streaming a 2GB movie at the same time you’re streaming a 2MB YouTube video, doesn’t mean that you’ll only get 1/1000th of the bandwidth and they’ll get 999/1000th of it; you’ll share it equally while you’re both using it.

    People with unlimited data plans have every right to use as much data as they want, without throttling. That said, claims that usage in the tens and hundreds of gigabytes is “normal” are absurd.

    • John

      If they want you to use their network the way it is presented in their advertisements it’s not absurd. Use your phone to upload all your video! Oh yeah, a 3 minute vid on a new smartphone is ~300MB. Just share your videos until you hit your cap, then give use more money.

  • http://youtu.be/GvPlAyTG4ik?hd=1 1PhoneDoesnt.com

    But 4.7gb a month is hardly using and definitely not even close to “gobbling up network resources” At 10+ gigs a month maybe I see it but 4.7gb’s is not very much for them to be claiming this .. and if it is the top 5% they should be stoked because that isn’t very much data at all

    • Neomastermind

      According to their plan builder, 3GB per month is heavy use so 4.7GB is super heavy.

      • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

        That is laughable.

  • James Burkett

    I side with Verizon. Times change, bandwidth is Not free even after the towers are put up, it costs money to maintain the sites and electricity isn’t free. More bandwidth = more current (Why does my phone get hot when I stream a movie? There is your answer) and more current = higher bill to keep the site running. Data hogs Should pay more. I’ve seen people brag about using hundreds of gigabytes of bandwidth per month and that is Ludicrous. Verizon promised you unlimited bandwidth on their LTE network and you’re still getting that. They made No promise at the data speed, and in that light you just suck it up buttercup, and stop streaming movies and videos on the way to work, and just put content on your phone from a computer like any other normal human being that doesn’t want to leave a carbon footprint the size of a Mack truck every morning on your train commute.

    • trixnkix637

      The problem is they’re picking & choosing who they’re throttling & why. It’s not indiscriminate across the board. Never mind the fact that the 4.7 GB threshold is just a bs number they made up without any statistical data to back it up. I think you missed the big picture of why this a big deal to people.

      • James Burkett

        Verizon said it. People with unlimited data have no incentive not to be data hogs. So they are giving the people who reach a certain data amount (who are subscribed to unlimited data) a reason not to be data hogs. The people who are on those plans are grandfathered in at 30 a month. The people who pay for their data in tiers are paying much more than that, they are actually paying more for their data and therefore are not throttled, but simply charged more, the more data they use… Which is a good reason not to be data hogs… Now Verizon finally did the same for unlimited users… Gave them a reason not to be data hogs.

        • trixnkix637

          No… Verizon discovered a way to potentially increase their revenue off of those with unlimited data. When you go to an all you can eat buffet, do you think the restaurant is going to slow you down because you’re taking all of the food from the other customers? Don’t forget those customers also buy their phones full retail to retain that contract (no doubt a thorn in VZW’s side). It’s simply rewarding those willing to play their game and punishing those for not getting with their program. Again, it’s not arbitrary, it’s not indiscriminate, & it’s completely devoid of fact. A business ploy is all it boils down to my friend.

          Think of it like this… Why are all of a sudden unlimited users data hogs? Unlimited data has been around as long as I can remember and never once was a plan like this implemented. But now, after the tiered plans have dwindled the numbers, now we’re data hogs?! Think about it.

          • James Burkett

            I think the only people that will ever really notice it are the real data hogs. Those of us that might use 2 GB a month will never see a problem. It’s just coming down to a real “pay to play” game. If you want a hundred gigabytes of full speed data, you can have it… But it’s gonna cost you.

          • trixnkix637

            True, this is a more of a point of the matter argument than anything. I’d respect it more if they came out and said it like that.

          • skinja

            Dude, you are missing the point. Unlimited customers are being scape-goated, while at the same time allowing customers who pay for each GB to use as much data as they want.

          • M3D1T8R

            Right, because a 3,300% price increase: $30 for 100GB vs about $1000 now at their current insane $10/GB rate, makes total sense. I’m sure Verizon’s costs per GB have some how gone up 3,300% right? Wait, but 4G LTE is actually much cheaper infrastructure to build and maintain vs 3G CDMA, so I guess that doesn’t make sense. Except for Verizon corporate’s bottom line. Which again is the beginning and the end of what this is about.

          • James Burkett

            It’s only that percentage of increase if you use a hundred gigabytes. Don’t be a data hog, and it won’t affect you. Easy.

          • M3D1T8R

            Right so I shouldn’t be able to watch an hour of Netflix per day – exactly the kind of service I signed up for Verizon unlimited for in the first place – without paying a 3300% price increase now all of a sudden.
            Funny how that makes sense to you. Sorry it doesn’t to me.

          • Droid 1967

            4.6 gigs a month isnt a data hog. But if you live in la say goodbye to unlimited as you will be throttled constantly. luckily i live where there aren’t many people so i doubt ill see it . But i know im a bad guy cause i pay 6 bucks amonth for Verizons exclusive NFL mobile app which stream live football and i actually use it for that.

          • John

            The data is there, i shouldn’t use it? Until they show how they decide how they choose what towers are “congested” i don’t want to hear it. If the tower is at 95% capacity, fine throttle me if i’m using in the top 5%. I get 15/1 on my home broadband plan(that costs more than my cellphone play), verizon can give me 40/15. Why wouldn’t i plug my phone into my TV and use it to play netflix?

        • jimt

          This is just a single digit salute to unlimited users on Verizon. Start planning for your next isp, your choice Tmo or AT&T.

          • James Burkett

            None of those companies can touch Verizon’s network quality (or capacity for that matter). Not even AT&T. If you’re a outrageous data user, it’ll affect you. If you’re not, it won’t.

          • trixnkix637

            James out of pure curiousity.. If you signed up for something labeled unlimited, never having been throttled before, how does this sound like a good idea to you if you were one of the ones affected?

          • James Burkett

            They promise unlimited data, not at Any particular speed, and you still Have unlimited data. Just your movies will bidder for longer because they aren’t throwing away bandwidth so your YouTube videos will load faster while crippling the rest of the people who are just trying to look at Facebook. All I’m saying is, is not illegal for them to pull this stunt, and you won’t stop them. So why worry? You still have the best network in America and in a jam, if you need the one most important thing- A cellular signal to make a call- With Verizon, chances are you’ll have it.

          • trixnkix637

            Have you ever truly experienced or heard of crippling a tower? Because I haven’t. Everyone has their opinions and are certainly entitled to them. But we shouldn’t just sit back and let these corporations execute shady deals & run roughshot over loyal customers.

          • James Burkett

            I’m certain they don’t send out notices when their cell towers are at peak usage, but I’m also sure it probably happens (experiencing peak capacity). I just don’t know why people are so up in arms over it. It’s not like they took your birthday away. They slowed some people’s data speed so as not to cripple others. Sure it’s not ideal to the data hogs but they are the reason Verizon killed unlimited data, and they are the reason they are being throttled. I say let them finally reap what they have sown.

          • Droid 1967

            you are a real winner. data hogs are not why they did away with unlimited its because they saw a cash cow. When they sit there and say the top 5% uses 4.7 gigs in amonth than also state its a problem with usage you dont see a problem here with these numbers. This is all about money , most likely they will end up doing away with unlimited data we cant do much about it . But to actually believe there is anything to the data regarding any of these carriers other than PROFIT you are a fool!

          • John

            Why not show everyone’s data equally?

          • John

            It would happen on new years eve back in the day… all the circuits would fill up and you couldn’t make a phone call. Except if you kept your tri-mode analog phone and forced it into analog mode. Call would work every time. How many towers out there can’t accept a data connection anymore due to the number of users? I’d say you would be scarce to find any.

          • Droid 1967

            they promised unlimited data on their LTE network not limited than moved to their 2g network! Lets me give you a scenario .
            You pay for the carpool lane which of course now are payed toll roads to give you a less congested highway to drive upon for a price. You pay for the toll and after the first mile they move you over to the far right lane of the freeway because they decided to. If you can sit there and say that’s fine than you are delusional.

          • James Burkett

            So what you’re saying is, 250 kbps is 2G data speed? That is plenty fast enough and it is still on their LTE network.

          • Droid 1967

            I dont know what they will throttle it at. I know when t mobile throttled when it was unlimited but only to 5 gigs after 5 gigs it was 2g or worse and was unusable for anything but email if that even worked. We pay for unlimited on LTE network it doesnt say unlimited on Throttled LTE network !

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

            4.7 gigs a month is “outrageous” now? Good grief. If they set the cap at say, 10 gigs it might make sense. I can blow through 4.7 gigs just streaming music (which Verizon pushed us into by getting rid of SD cards).

          • John

            Last night i got over six MB per second… not Mbps. in one hour i could download 22GB. The bandwidth is there, they just need more profit.

    • Mr ilheis

      Data Caps Explained: Skip to 5:20 if in a hurry.
      http://youtu.be/uyuIiG4c4Go

      • James Burkett

        You’re on another subject. Verizon isn’t capping unlimited users. Thanks for playing

        • Mr ilheis

          Watch and learn.

          • jimt

            Thanks for the video, That was great! Everyone should watch that to see what Verizon is up to. Everyone should just watch that. Right on!

        • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

          It amounts to the same thing, and the points discussed in the video are completely relevant to what Verizon is doing here.

    • Verizon Blows

      Say it with me.
      UNLIMITED.

      • jimt

        Unlimited but super slow is still unlimited. If you want true unlimited you need $80 TMO unlimited. I would guess that will change, eventually also.

  • ROR1997

    Oh shut up Verizon. You said we would be grand fathered in. You’re lucky you’ve gotten this far. This is complete BS

  • Ninja

    Too many of you are missing the point entirely. Verizon is not taking your unlimited data, you can still use as much as you want. What they are doing is throttling the speeds of certain users once they consume a certain amount of said data. This is an effort to improve performance for everyone. Just because you pay more doesn’t mean you get priority, it means you send/receive as much data as you want.
    It would be useful for some of you to research how this works on the backend.
    Also, learn the difference between bits and bytes.

    • trixnkix637

      “Just because you pay more doesn’t mean you get priority”

      Dude, that’s exactly what VZW is saying. Pay more on our tiered plans and we won’t throttle you, regardless if you’re in the top 5% or not. The only back end that VZW cares about is the side where their wallet is.

    • skinja

      Wrong Wrong Wrong.

      The problem is that they are only throttling unlimited users at a specific cell-site. While at the same time, allowing customers who pay per GB to burn through it as fast as they can. so unlimited users aren’t affecting the performance. They are affecting VZWs bottom line.

    • M3D1T8R

      You are not Ninja.

    • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

      If the primary concern was really improving performance then they would be throttling everyone in the top 5%, not just unlimited users. The network doesn’t care if you have a contract or not. This is a money grab, plain and simple.

  • Dustin Crooke

    I’ve worked very hard to keep my unlimited data. I also pay for my hotspot. I recently had someone tell me I abuse the VZW network because I utilize the plan that I pay for. I buy my devices off contact. I pay my bill on time. Yet, I abuse the VZW network??

    VZW is getting exactly what they want. Optimization (throttling) isn’t really the point here. It’s convincing other VZW customers that the unlimited data users are causing their experience to be less than ideal. These new “enlightened” customers who now believe that their experience on the VZW network is worse because of the unlimited users are already becoming vocal. You can see it here. Now, when VZW axes unlimited data, they can say their customers are calling for it. And they’ll be right. They actually have people believing this is about optimization and NOT money.

    Businesses can still get unlimited plans. Give them enough money and a big enough contact, they don’t care about your experience anymore.

    This is about money. Period. Don’t let them fool you.

    • 213ninja

      i agree 1000%. nice points.

    • trixnkix637

      ^this a thousand times. Wake up people. Don’t act like VZW is all of a sudden giving its customers a solid. Like we’re their priority or something.

      • FUVZW

        Odd a company hates the very people they provide services too and receive money from. In their eyes it seems they shouldn’t provide a service and demand that everyone in the US give them a third of their wages.

        FCC needs to create a Bill of Rights for citizens/ consumers that is very hard and tough on rules and regulations and knock these telecomm’s down a notch, or they’ll make them a public works like electricity and hard phone lines where the law only allows them profit of 8% a year or less.

        • Kerry Davies

          Yeah because the government has never taken advantage of the citizens. Free market allows companies like T-Mobile to to take the stand your asking the FCC to make. Dont give away your voice to a system that isn’t dependant on making a profit.

    • Kevin108

      Most concise post ever regarding the nature of mobile phone plans. Good work!

    • chaoscentral

      Now I ask this as a question. Do you run more than just your phone off your data plan? If you’re one of the selfish assholes that runs their whole house off their cellphone because they are cheapskates then yes you are abusing the network. It was built to handle mobile data, not a house worth. That said if you don’t run your house off your cell phone then I agree.

      • Dustin Crooke

        I’ve replied. Long reply. Says droid life is reviewing. I’ll wait before I try again as to avoid a repost.

      • ArclightX

        “Do you run more than just your phone off your data plan?”

        Ah… Asking unsolicited private questions about other people’s usage habits.

        I’m not sure what part of you I love more. Your clear and unwavering respect for the privacy of others, or your unqualified support for consumer rights.

        Can you guess what I’m about to tell you? Give yourself a moment I’ll wait….

        ….
        ……
        ……….

        That should do.

        Funny I never recall anyone asking you: “Hey chaoscentral! I typically use my mobile data service in the following manner. If you have a spare moment, I’d love for you to not only provide your opinion but to also judge me using your bias and self-anointed position of righteousness that we all agree you hold over all of us.”

        How Dustin Crooke, (or anyone else for that manner), chooses to use a service that he/they pay(s) for is not only entirely up to him/them but is also none of your/our business to ask about never mind judge.

        There. Now did I really have to say that? Were you really not clued into these facts prior to me mentioning them?

      • kidtronic

        You should be free to use your data however you please. This is just another example of Verizon passing off the blame when the solution is entirely in their hands. They have the resources (i.e. billions of dollars in operating profit per quarter) to keep their infrastructure on pace with demand. Instead, they would rather limit the amount of data you can use so they can hoard the cash that could be invested into truly improving their network.

        • You betcha

          Your not right. Unlimited Data was offered back when Blackberries were the in thing. It was no problem to offer the unlimited Data then since no one used it. As time went on and data “needs” grew it was still available but the iPhone changed phones. Everyone was always on line. This spike multiplied by millions will crash a network. But they had to build more network and you didn’t have to pay more.

          20 gigs or more is network abuse. It’s not what it was intended for. Get home internet,and powering laptops and gaming systems is just wrong. It’s Abuse and if you owned the network and someone refused to pay more and used so much it crashed your network, you would shut them down or at least throttle them down to preserve the network for all.

          Don’t complain when you have to place a connected device in your right thumb.

          • Dustin Crooke

            VZW gave me this for home internet. As well as mifi. Which in order to have, I must also pay for a “landline” which is just a cell phone tethered to my home. So, if this is all just intended for mobile, why does VZW offer this for homes?

            I have no other choice for home internet. Dial up or this. Sorry, you can call me an abuser all you want but when VZW sells me data for my home then tells me I can’t use it anymore, that isn’t cool.

            We who use a lot of data are not sitting in dark corners with laptops and tablets streaming Netflix… **wait, it couldn’t be Netflix, VZW throttles Netflix. No, that’s on FIOS but that’s okay because the unlimited users on FIOS are clogging, no.. Hmm why would they throttle FIOS users? Money? Money. They can’t make up any good stories for that. But hey, that means** …. We’re not sitting in dark corners with laptops and tablets streaming Netflix, laughing evilly. No, we bought a plan from Verizon. And we use it. No where did it say that once we reached 4.7gb of data, we would be called “data abusing selfish assholes”. It didn’t say one you reached 15gb you should really stop. Or, if you stream more, the right thing to do would be to give up your unlimited plan go to tiered data and pay overage fees. Because then VZW would take those overage fees and compensate the customers that are suffering at the hands of the maniacal unlimited users… No, they wouldn’t do that, would they? They’d at least take that money and put into network optimization. Right? Isn’t that what will really fix this kind of issue? Lol, what am I thinking. Throttling a limited number of unlimited data users IS network optimization. Silly me.

      • Yungc

        I agree.

      • jamarr

        What are you taking about? The concept that someone who pays for a service is abusing it because they use what they pay for? A fool and there money will also part! Good luck with Verizon.

      • TonyK

        tl;dr (for chaoscentral) “I also pay for my hotspot.” <– Second sentence in the post.

    • kona

      It sounds like VZW needs to upgrade there infrastructure in order to be able e to provide the services that they have already sold/promised to there customers. But ounce again that is going to be pricey… Much cheaper to throttle…. As an unlimited data user I like you have purchased my devices off contract. I use 8+GB per month which is all pure phone usage – no tethering or anything like that

    • John Davids

      Well put. Not sure I have seen that many upvotes on a DL comment before.

  • idiots

    Someone without unlimited saying they don’t want it is like a person with $5 not wanting a $100. The whole point of unlimited is to not have to worried about getting raped. Their are times I can use up to 40gb in a month not bragging just say and then other times I may use only 2-3gb. I’m a traveling technician and am not home often or near WiFi so when I’m not near WiFi I start using lots of data and times I’m home not so much. I don’t have to try to fit a category I just use my phone as I need to with no worries. Cause there is no plan that would fit me and I would pay out the ass in overages. So quite your lying cause even if you do only use 1-2 GB what happens when that 1 or 2 times you needed that extra data and can’t use the phone cause ur almost out. Also with also the “cloud” based services can help eat away before you know it

    • Ninja

      That’s why I left Verizon for T-Mobile. All of their plans are technically unlimited. If I go over, I don’t get charged and I still have data, even if it is slow.

      • Gary Hicks

        “It’s technically unlimited.” “If I go over, I don’t get charged.” ……………

    • Droid 1967

      so im confused are you giving me 95 bucks to make my 5 a 100 or not?

  • imnotmikal

    If this is incentive for anything, its incentive for me to drop my entire family’s contract and take our money elsewhere.

  • 213ninja

    lies…freakin jerks.

  • Jam Master Jim

    I could see if they wanted to start at 10 gig. No way the top 5% starts at 4.7 gig. They are just trying to force customers off unlimited data at that point.

  • Michael Pitts

    I love how Verizon says that it will only happen to a limited amount of subscribers and that once they move off the tower they will no longer be throttled SMH!

    • jimt

      By moving off the tower they mean to a Tmo or AT&T tower. (Verizon speak)

  • Quint

    It may be bloody, but if they want to end the unlimited data plans, just do it already.

  • Duane Westerhaus

    What I want to know is how those of us with unlimited data plans have become a burgeoning population when Verizon ceased to offer this option back in 2010? Considering all those that have given up or lost their UDPs through lies and trickery perpetrated by Verizon, I can only assume our footprint is diminishing and our effects on their network is actually negligible. I haven’t any facts to back my claims (other than common sense), but neither has Verizon given us proof that it is UDPs alone that are causing the alleged strain. As stated already by so many, Verizon sells tiered data plans greater than 4.7g per user. Will those lines be throttled as well?

    • PoisonApple31

      Those lines will be throttled after the Unlimited data plans are gone lol

    • Dave

      The local manager I know very well said that 0.85% of all lines are on unlimited data.

      • trixnkix637

        Yea, because at the local level he knows about all the users worldwide. I don’t buy that percentage for a second.

        • Chris Hannan

          Pretty sure he’s talking about percentage of users on Verizon, which is only national and he possibly could know that.

          • trixnkix637

            Do you really buy that 0.85% of all users NATIONWIDE are unlimited users?

          • Chris Hannan

            Considering Verizon stopped offering unlimited data for new customers, they stopped allowing people to keep unlimited data when upgrading their phone at a discounted price, and personally not knowing a single person on Verizon with unlimited data, I can believe only around 1% of Verizon customers still have unlimited data. After all, that’s about a million people.

          • trixnkix637

            Well you know me. You now know one person lol.

          • Chris Hannan

            I know a lot of people here have it. I’m talking about people I know in person.

            Just did a bit of research and back in July 2011, when Verizon stopped offering unlimited data, 36% of their 106 million customers had smartphones, so about 38 million people had unlimited data. Figure that number only goes down from here.

            On June 28, 2012, anyone renewing their contracts from this point on lose unlimited data. Since then, the Galaxy S4, Galaxy S5, iPhone 5, and iPhone 5s have all been released.

            It’s been two years since Verizon stopped letting people upgrade, so everyone in a contract with Verizon now that didn’t know any loopholes or glitches (transferring upgrades to other lines, upgrading on Verizon’s website and not activating new SIM last September, etc) have all lost unlimited data. I know that doesn’t prove how many of us are left, but it helps give you a better idea.

          • Droid 1967

            make that 2

      • AxemRed

        Knowing that, I’d be interested now to know the percentage of all data that is used by the unlimited subscribers.

        • John

          no no, percentage of available bandwidth used by unlimited data users VS available bandwidth on congested towers VS how much is the tower capable of, and how much is not being used.

    • Dustin Crooke

      TK from TK Tech News did a video on this. He said 20% of VZW users are unlimited. I don’t know his sources but I can’t help but think that number includes business plans. Those business plans probably make up a large chunk of that 20%. A lot money in enterprise. Makes sense VZW would offer it there.

  • pyro74boy .

    No doubt about it this was the right move on Verizon,s part if they where trying to lose customers. Nice coverup story on Verizon,s part. I know that they are going to lie like crazy but the letter should have read something more like this [WE ARE SORRY BUT WE CARE MORE ABOUT MAKING MONEY THEN KEEPING OUR UNLIMITED DATA CUSTOMERS THANK YOU FOR BEING THE BEST PART OF OUR NETWORK SO NOW WE ARE GOING TO SLOW DOWN YOUR NETWORK SPEEDS IF YOU ARE AN UNLIMITED DATA CUSTOMER AND HAPPEN TO GO OVER 4.7GB OF DATA PER MONTH.] LOL And remember Verizon now even has it’s aws spectrum in full effect so there is NO EXCUSE for this whatsoever. EPIC FAIL ON VERIZON I WON’T MISS YOU. I’m also making my T-mobile rep sing something that says that they will not be slowing down my data speeds so now let all the haters talk smack about this and troll my comment like mad. HAPPY TROLLING AND HAPPY HATING.

    • PoisonApple31

      5% of top LTE data users, that’d only be few million give or take, considering all the 3G users still on the network. Still a low percentage of customers to lose…and everyone isn’t going at once… so NBD…

      • pyro74boy .

        I use at least 10GB per month plus my LTE data speeds have gotten much slower already in my area during busy parts of the day so this will effect me and I’m in the top %5 percent. Verizon is doing everything in their power to lose me as their customer because they even made it now so you can’t even take 12 months to pay off a device because the device installment plan is no longer available.

        Trust me my voice is going to be heard as I’m going to be writing Verizon a very nasty letter telling them how I feel and the real reason why I’m leaving.

        I would much rather not have them tell me I’m the best part of their network as speak louder than words,

        • jimt

          Tmo helps you write them a good-bye letter.

  • Zac Audette

    This is like the owner of a buffet saying their customers have no incentive to not eat all of the food…

    • PoisonApple31

      It is like saying the customer can only eat so much food if the restaurant busy and when it is no longer busy, eat all you want.

      • jimt

        Except the owner says the restaurant is always busy, even when it isn’t.

        • Sporttster

          You eat two plates of food! You no go back for three! All you can eat is closed now! You go home!

          • jimt

            Like the soup nazi. No soup for you!

  • Aldr01d

    ill save $180 within a couple of months when i switch from throtled lte to tmobil. thats what i get for being a loyal customer after 13 years thanks verizon

    • Neomastermind

      Moving from throttled LTE to throttled LTE with more limited coverage? It is cheaper though, the phones are more travel-ready.

      • jimt

        No Tmo unlimited is truly unlimited on the $80 plan. There coverage is better than verizon for me, but I just took a trip from Calif to canada and didn’t have data of any type for maybe half the trip. I still LOVE Tmo anyway.

        • Neomastermind

          Yeah, I was just informed of that somewhere below in the comment section. Time for a slight edit. Nice savings, bud, TMO is what I want, but I simply don’t like their coverage. If only…

          • jimt

            I understand that the 700 mhz spectrum that they bought from verizon is going to fix a lot of problem soon. It may be coming soon. It does suck to end up in Victoria, canada without google maps for navigation. Storing the map on the phone doesn’t work very well, by the way.

  • M3D1T8R

    Uh, yeah Verizon, not having to worry about data usage is why I bought unlimited data from you. If it wasn’t unlimited, I wouldn’t have bought it. End of story.

    • Lunkman

      I hate to be “that guy”, but I think you bought unlimited for 2yrs, and anything unlimited after that-throttled or unthrottled- is completely up to Verizon. That’s not to say I agree with this, I’m just interpreting things…If someone is within a 2yrs contract they have a right to to be pissed, however I at this point I think all of those contracts have expired.

      • M3D1T8R

        Yeah, good thing for me I just extended my contact on my unlimited line through July 2016.

  • Trueblue711

    Where Verizon screwed up here is discriminating between unlimited users on and off contract. What is the difference of someone being on contract, using a lot of data and “slowing down the network” versus someone who is off contract?

    Also, as expected, Verizon failed to explain how people paying more to use data has any different effect on the network, other than possibly costing them a little more.

  • Omar Amer

    Hypothetical for everyone.. what if unlimited data users were capped at 3MB/s download speeds while tiered data users didnt have a cap? technically you still have unlimited data, but you simply an experience that was less fun to use. would you suffer and still keep unlimited… or would you switch to tiered.(this would be across any network that offered unlimited and not 1 specific company)

    • Mark Snider

      Where I live the average Verizon lte speed is only 3-6 anyway, and still does everything I want it to. So I could live with that personally. Average monthly use is 50-70 gb a month but I pay $60 for unlimited data and tethering for a total of $120 a month

  • Buur

    There is no way this doesn’t just turn into a 4.7gb high speed limit for unlimited users. Who is going to check if the tower is congested? Verizon. Ya, good luck with all that.

  • ImmaDroid

    Ok, so how is data produced or how much supply of it is there which I don’t fully understand? If 1 million gigabits of data cross a single tower, is it any different than 100 million? I understand the fact of high density areas with clog up faster and in return produce slower speeds. But in reality, is there a limit to the amount of data that can be made available? if not, they shouldn’t be complaining

    • Beanbag

      Its bandwidth… Its like too many cars on a 2 lane highway, vs the same amount on a 5 lane highway, we all know what happens

      • ImmaDroid

        So say if you live in NYC, which is obviously overloaded. Now I live in Coastal SC, which isn’t busy most months. And i use over 4.7Gbs of data. Should I really be slowed down, when 90% of the people on my tower are 75 yrs old and barely use it

        • Joe Butler

          No, and you won’t be. It says it in the article.

  • dizel123

    I wish the FCC would just back off. All this will do is push Verizon to somehow screw people still on unlimited. I go well over the 4.7GB a month and if I have to have some occasional temporary throttling to keep my unlimited I’m fine with it. I’d rather not have any throttling whatsoever, but if the choice is temporary, limited throttling or data caps, i’ll pick throttling.

  • Arie Hoogendoorn

    Still holding onto unlimited data but for how much longer I have no idea.

  • Joe Butler

    This is what I thought. People are flipping out over this, but is isn’t just straight throttling like the ATT plans. I know Verizon could be sneaky, but it sounds like something to where if you’re tweeting during the Superbowl for example, you will be placed behind others in priority, but will still get the full speed. Big difference here, that shouldn’t ultimately affect people’s usage too much.

    • Joe Butler

      Granted, I still think it’s BS, but, just saying, don’t think everyone should flock to T-Mobile because of this.

  • James Rivard

    Hey Verizon, I’m pretty sure my new T-Mobile Unlimited Everything plan that I just left your Unlimited Data plan for, has no throttling at all. Just saying.

    • Neomastermind

      Doesn’t TMO have a soft 5GB data cap? After that you get pushed down to slow speeds, no?

      • Eric Blackman

        Not on unlimited everything.

        • Neomastermind

          Hmm, how about that? That’s pretty nifty then.

      • James Rivard

        The Unlimited Everything plan, is just that. Unlimited Everything. No caps, no throttling.

        • Gary Hicks

          Read the fine print of your plan because I’ll promise you 100% that all carriers throttle and all carriers have caps. “Oh their website says there is no cap, there must not be one then!!” Idiots.

          • Droid 1967

            YOU ARE WRONG —-!!!!!!!!! Who the hell do you think you are calling people idiots. and besides that you prove yourself to be one tmobile has unlimited with a cap that you can also tether with. they also have an unlimited cap and speed but you cant tether if you have that one (tether legally by their rules). But it is unlimited speed and data. SO you sir win t Congratulations you have shown yourself to spout off inaccurate information while calling others names and declared yourself worthless on these forums. Thanks for saving us the time of reading your dribble in the future!

          • Gary Hicks

            You get that from the website? Or from a commercial? You say I’m wrong, but didn’t prove that I’m wrong. Idiot. Oh and these aren’t forums moron.

          • Gary Hicks

            Ok “Droid” 1967. Post the documentation to prove there is no cap. Or shut up.

          • Droid 1967

            You just continue to be wrong. Definition of forum —-a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged. ON the other it is a fact You can go verify if you want to you know you made your dribble up so thats up to you but with your 2 obvious wrongs here in 20 minutes i have lost 10 iq points just talking to you so im done have a nice liberal life!

          • Gary Hicks

            Post the documentation instead of telling me to find it. I’m also not the one acting like a liberal, but go ahead and try to bring politics into this as well. You’re a half-wit that just wants to say someone is wrong with NO MERIT of why they’re wrong. Sounds like a liberal to me.

          • Droid 1967

            ok last one.. Liberal also has many meaning not just politics but i wouldn’t expect you to understand it . You made a statement and than called people idiots Your statement was WRONG! you than corrected my use of FORUM also wrong. This apparently is a battle of wits. and you sir are highly under-powered. With that im done with you!

          • Gary Hicks

            Also, this is a website, a blog at best. So go back to school and learn what a forum is.

          • Gary Hicks

            Furthermore, I “proved myself to be one.” Yet I know what grammar and punctuation are as well.

      • 213ninja

        im pretty sure the NEW unlimited everything has no cap. i just read the site. too bad their service blows roun’ here.

        • Neomastermind

          Yeah, I read it too. TMO is the provider I want, but just lacks the coverage. Fortunately, I only manage to use around 1.5GB of data per month so Straight Talk has been wonderful for me.

    • just me

      This is the thing…either you have it or you don’t….throttling 4G was something VZW stated would not effect 4G users. Now here it is again and they have found an other way of giving you more of less. But guess what it ain’t only VZW…AT&T, Sprint and T-Mobile do the samething…if unlimited will be throttled why not just bring back unlimited data and stop fussing….I know how much each company spends and VZW do maintain theirs sites well…..but 4G unlike 3g cost more to maintain believe it or not but the radius is not as good as 3g was….calls drop more than ever and data speeds aren’t as reliable as they once were….with the 4G there are no more roaming agreements due to frequencies (spectrum) that are used by each carrier.ive jumped around a little but this is one of the reasons why…..I’m in an area that is small and I have issues with connections on the mobile network….hoping with the expansion of xlte that will change since there are only a few devices at this time capable of using it….only time will tell.

  • chris125

    I am glad that it pains verizon so much for those still on unlimited data. Will gladly leave once my contract is up. They clearly do not care about the consumer anymore and they have become so large they feel they can do what they want.

  • bboyairwreck

    That not double non negative doesn’t unhurt my brain.

  • Chris Clark

    Lame….just lame.

  • jothen2002

    Yeah Makes no sense at all.. Just because they are not getting paid…I could be a hog at the buffet as long as I slip the valet a hundy is saying you are say in Verizon ?

  • Apocalypticaly

    When I bought my Note III last year I ditched my unlimited data and took the subsidy since I knew they’d be trying everything they could to kick me off soon anyway.

    • pre paid jigga

      I just left verizon for prepaid

  • http://www.tedpavlic.com/ Ted Pavlic

    I wonder if Verizon has done some math and noticed that they will have a hard time providing the guaranteed QoS that tiered plans have signed up for. That is, if you were suckered by a red-shirt to buy 2GB/month more than you originally planned and then you find out that there’s not enough bandwidth in your area to make that even feasible, would you be pissed? If Verizon has forced a lot of people into this “high” QoS situation, then maybe they’ve accumulated a lot of liability. So they figure something has got to give, and the “unlimited” users are obvious ones to get the squeeze.

    In the long run, I wonder if the *limited* users are going to start noticing problems in the future if Verizon sustains growth… This (along with XLTE) might be an indication that Verizon is pushing up against its limits(?).

  • King of Nynex

    A government study was done on the network impact of throttling customers. Overall, there was negligible effect on network management. There was a substantial effect on getting people to pay more for internet access. Shocking, I know.

  • Jeff “BIG RED”

    At the end of the day Verizon is going to do what’s in their best interest. They are a business looking to generate as much income as possible. While this is truly unfortunate for those of us that have unlimited data, myself included. We knew that once Verizon proclaimed that the future of Verizon was mobile data. We as customers would feel the sting from it. Do I like Verizon’s network? Yes I do. Do I like that they are trying to make more money off of me by their new “optimization policy” that can totally screw my data needs/wants? Of course not! How many will they lose before they realize that loyal costumers is what they want/need? Who knows, but we will see when we see Tmo continue to best them ever quarter over their greed.

    • talkingshit

      I understand what you are saying but with over 100 million subscribers, do we really think they care about loyal customers? How many would we care to guess are still on unlimited and how many of them are using tons of it? I have 2 unlimited lines on my family plan and combined they both use less than a gig a month… they just don’t use data…how many more are like that…? Is it 100k that “abuse” it… Verizon added I think a few million post paid last quarter so losing 100k would be a drop in the bucket…

      • Jeff “BIG RED”

        VZW has made it very apparent that they don’t care about loyal customers. I’m using over the 4.7gb on 2 of my lines. Sure it depends on the person (one size doesn’t fit all). Depends on definition of said “abuse”? Sometimes a drop in the bucket adds up. Other times it’s doesn’t….

      • Sporttster

        A smart business owner knows that every single customer comes through that door is special and important and worth keeping.

  • King of Nynex

    Wait, so I’m being penalized for using the plan that I pay for? It’s not like unlimited subscribers are cheating. Unbelievable.

    • Gary Hicks

      Umm some of them ARE cheating by using their phone as a hotspot WITHOUT paying for tethering, because they’re on unlimited data. Which is why all this is happening.

      • chris125

        I used over 8gb last month and don’t use it as a hotspot. This has nothing to do with that, and everything with verizon once again trying to nickel and dime for every last drop of data and the overages that come along with their new tiered plans.

        • John

          I used 6GB in one day last month. “Stream video whenever, wherever” Means they want me to watch twich on my phone when i’m at work. Used around 1GB today uploading video i’d shot with my phone. “share your video with friends and family faster on the verzion network” Well, i could have copied the video to my SD card, unmounted the SD card, put it into my computer, then uploaded it to youtube at 1Mbps(time warner charges more for 15 down 1 up than i pay for my data plan.) Why wouldn’t i just do it from my phone?). But my phone can upload at 15Mbps. Any your commercials tell me i should be doing this.

      • King of Nynex

        How is that cheating? The phones are designed to provide a mobile hotspot.

      • LSULaw2009

        I use about 6-9gb /month and I tether. But I also pay Verizon 60/month (before corporate discount) for unlimited data and unlimited tethering.

      • Aldr01d

        are you on umlimited? stop hating then judge gary!

      • l3jay87

        I used 30gbs last month with no tethering, but I also pay $105 a month for unlimited with one line and only 750 mins a month. I dont mind paying more for the service I just want to be able to use the data how I want when I want since I am paying more for it.

      • Kevin108

        Using a 4G device as a hotspot with unlimited data is not cheating – it’s the law. It was part of VZW’s contract with the FCC when it licensed the spectrum. It is a tiny minority of customers who actually do this.

        • BobButtons

          I thought the law was they couldn’t charge for tethering on plans with a limit… that unlimited didn’t qualify for the protection.

          Edit: Source: http://www.cnet.com/news/what-verizons-fcc-tethering-settlement-means-to-you-faq/ They can charge for tethering regardless of plan but can’t stop you from using 3rd party apps to do it for free if you’re on a non-unlimited plan. If you’re on unlimited and don’t hide your tethering, they can do something about it.

      • Kayonesoft

        So Verizon removed a feature so they could add it back in for money and we’re cheating because we’re using a built in feature with a plan that we pay for without paying the extra premium?
        Are you cheating by using Google Voice instead of Verizon’s subscription Visual Voicemail? Are you cheating by using Google Maps instead of Verizon’s subscription VZ Navigator? Are you cheating by using an MP3 you own as a ringtone instead of buying a premium Verizon ringtone?
        I pay for unlimited data. Data is data. Data doesn’t suddenly cost more because I’m using it on a computer instead of my phone.

        • HarvesterX

          On your unlimited contract (mine too) it explicitly states that unlimited ONLY applies to the device under contract. So no, unlimited does not mean you can use unlimited on another device as you see fit.

          With that said I’m completely against this and hope the FCC doesn’t back down.

    • Dave

      You still have unlimited data, your bandwidth has just been drastically reduced.

      • Kayonesoft

        If you have unlimited money but you’re only allowed to spend $10 a day, you effectively don’t have unlimited money.

        • Dave

          More like you still have unlimited money, but you can only spend it in dimes and nickels once all your $100 bills are gone. I totally get the frustration, I have unlimited but I really don’t care since I only use 2-3 gigs anyway.

          • BobButtons

            Unfortunately not caring when it doesn’t affect you leaves them with successes in their wake to use as leverage when they make further changes that do affect you. This comes up often in various legal battles in all different categories. People always say “that’s such a small matter, why even bother fighting it” but then that inch gets converted into a mile and people are left wondering how it got so far. I, for one, don’t think people should be able to abuse the network with a shit-ton of data but do believe the 4.7 amount is way too low considering Verizon themselves offer plans higher than that. If they need to throttle for “network optimization” it shouldn’t matter what type of plan a customer is on.

          • Kayonesoft

            Granted the analogy could have been a bit better, but the point remains that it is effectively not unlimited if there’s a limit, even if the limit is indirect.
            I suppose the argument could also be made that it’s never really been unlimited since there has always been a maximum speed.

      • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

        If they reduce it below standard 4G LTE speeds, then they are not providing the service they agreed to provide (and continue to advertise).

  • NexusMan

    Specifically, Verizon takes a shot at John Legere and T-Mobile, pointing out that the “Uncarrier” gives itself the right to throttle “regardless of whether customers are at a location experiencing congestion.”

  • metal sucks

    Is that a scratch on that METAL phone?!

    • NexusMan

      There are several.

      • sucks metal

        But its a premium material oh mah gosh

  • realfoxm

    I had a good comment here once, until I had to sign in to mobile twitter and lost the message. So now you’re getting this stupid comment.

    • D. Sharer

      Copy/paste doesn’t work on your device?

      • Brian Beezle Dennis

        Nope

      • realfoxm

        Dat LG Voyager lyfe doe

    • Droid 1967

      damn an old icq image havent seen that program in years :)

  • d-rock

    Here comes the crying game again

  • FortitudineVincimus

    “particular cell sites” – and that is their future loophole. There is no proof they have or have to give or can demonstrate that any 1 cell tower is “experiencing unusually high demand” and that fact is how they can & will take advantage of the situation. They essentially can say, at any whim, “oh hey, THAT tower is experiencing unusually high demand”. Really? Says who? Them? No independent proof of that fact so it is ripe for abuse. We don’t even know what defines “unusually high demand.” That is so purposefully nebulous it allows them to do their throttling in any situation they want really and we just have to bend over and except it.

    • triumphtriple

      This is the problem exactly. I got throttled back when I was on 3G and they had the same policy. Turned out, every cell site I was ever in was experiencing “high demand”. Didn’t matter when or where. That’s the most BS part about it for sure.

      • karpodiem

        I don’t think they had the technology (a few years ago), with respect to realtime monitoring. I agree with your sentiment and skepticism though, we’ll see how it works this time around.

  • Carl W.

    They consider 4.7 GB a month the to 5%? That’s funny, because when I had Verizon I used on average 40GB or more a month.

    • d-rock

      And you’re on this site posting while 95% of their customers don’t know about this site and pay for 3GB/month and use 500MB/month.

      • Famouz Starz

        well then it all evens i he uses 40gb they use 500mb sounds pretty fair to me.

    • richkoos

      what the hell do you do on your phone? Does it serve as the internet for your home too(Instead of Cable,or FiOs)?

      • Famouz Starz

        its not hard to pull data, youtube, social media, netflix, hulu, its a mobile (multi-media) device not just for voice anymore

        • richkoos

          I do all of those things on the regular, except maybe hulu and netflix because they are battery drainers and I usually watch those on a TV at home. But I only average about 3.5-4 a month, so i’m a little worried at that 4.7gb limit because it seems like my data usage continues to go up.

          • MupDoc

            Im at 500 Mb used for this billing cycle, I have straight talk.. 500 MB used top 2 are google music and snapchat The video services really eat up data quickly, along with google music… if you dont pre cache your stuff on WiFi

          • John

            Watch a game of soccer on ESPN via your phone. Watch a videogame marathon or twitch via your phone. Watch a football game on your phone. Seriously. Try it. Streaming video eats more data than you know. Upload a 1080P video to youtube with your phone and you’re looking at ~100MB a minute.

      • Carl W.

        It did. lol. I used it to download movies, music, games, netflix. The speeds were so great at first I figured why pay for separate cable when I could tether.

    • chris125

      Well when the only option is 2gb for most, they aren’t going to use a ton of data and pay all those fees in overages

  • Guest

    I hate that Verizon is doing this but If it were my company I bet I would do the same to make money since that’s the name of the game and investors want to see that esp with T-Mobile doing so well.

  • Chris

    Oh verizon….

    And oh to the people who are siding with Verizon. Either you are verizon employees or one of those people who follow every rule to the T and accept life the way it is and never question anything…

    • PoisonApple31

      Or you don’t have unlimited data on Verizon and you don’t care what happens to Unlimited Data lines…

      • Big EZ

        I don’t think it’s that they don’t have it and don’t care. I think they don’t have it and are jealous. At least the ones saying “I don’t care, I hope they take it away!”

        • PoisonApple31

          No said jealousy here. I gave it up intentionally.

          • Not stuck on Verizon forever

            Same here, F VZW

          • Michael Alt

            If people don’t care they can stop commenting then, obviously they can butt out of a issue that doesn’t affect them. So what reason are they commenting for that actually makes sense other than they don’t care?

          • PoisonApple31

            People comment to give another point of view. How many times to people comment on the Samsung stories when they don’t own a Samsung phone?

        • Zach Cline

          I don’t have it and I’m not jealous because I don’t need it .

    • Josh

      I’m a VZW employee and I’m anti-VZW with this issue…

      • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

        Care to elaborate? I’d be interested to hear your reasons as a VZW employee.

      • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

        Disqus won’t let me reply to your newer post because for some reason it’s still “awaiting moderation” after 4 hours, so I’m replying here instead. That was an amazing read — thank you for taking the time to carefully lay it all out like that. I wish more people could read this. Would you consider posting it on G+ or somewhere more shareable, or if you want to give permission I could post it anonymously on my G+ account? People need to understand this side of the story.

        I’m on the other end of it, as an unlimited data user since the OG Droid. I bought my Droid Maxx at full retail because I just can’t afford to pay what VZW is asking for the amount of data they offer. I’m not a “data hog” — I normally use between 7 and 12 gigs a month. I pay separately for cable internet and use WiFi whenever I’m at home. But just from using all the cloud services that VZW has been pushing on us over the past few years — by getting rid of SD cards for example — I can’t seem to stay under 10 gigs reliably even using WiFi at home. (Partly because we are not allowed to stream music over the WiFi at work, so I have to use 4G for Google Music there.) If VZW would offer me a tiered plan that seemed reasonable, such as 10 gigs a month for, I don’t know, $45, I would definitely consider it. But having to pay so much more for so much less is just a non-starter for me.

        • Josh

          I retroactively give you permission to post it anonymously…cheers!

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

            Thanks – my post stopped appearing yesterday so I thought it had been deleted. Not sure what’s going on with this site.

      • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

        Droid-Life, why did my post get deleted? And why is Josh’s excellent post below still awaiting moderation after 12 hours? It contains no profanity.

  • silver_arrow

    Actually they have every reason TO use an unlimited data plan. After all that is what they pay for.

    • Neomastermind

      And that’s what they get.

    • balls

      Your right, you do have the right to use it. You also have the right who to choose to give your money too each month, make the right choice.

      • BobButtons

        Feel free to start USA’s first cellular network that isn’t a shit-hole that covers more than a speckle of the country with anything but “2G or Service Partner” and I’ll switch to it in a heartbeat.

  • cush2push

    Incentive? We’re paying for it its ours to use

    • d-rock

      I wish they’d just get over it and kick people off unlimited altogether. Then we wouldn’t have to deal with this BS any more.

      • Chris

        You could just let verizon keep it and not get so worked up over it.

      • Greyhame

        Your comment would indicate, sir, that you are not a likable person. I pay for it; what’s it to you?

        • Aldr01d

          he’s a dumb azz jealous hater.

        • d-rock

          No I’m just really tired of the whining over it…that’s the source of my h8.

          • Lee McLaurin

            You saw the title of the thread, so take your happy azz to another thread that doesn’t have “Verizon” and “unlimited” in the title.

          • d-rock

            but then again, this stuff is entertaining as well. I’m just having a little fun with the babies is all. So yes…I’m really tired of it, but while it’s here, I’m going to entertain myself with the children…

          • cizzlen

            Agreed. It’s getting quite tiring.

      • Basil

        I wish you’d go jump in a bog.

        • FortitudineVincimus

          Not a pool, or lake, or ocean.. but a bog. Awesome.

        • d-rock

          I did actually in my jeep and the crawled out…was kind of messy though

      • Ian

        Friends with Obama aren’t ya.

        • d-rock

          Oh….going political now…how creative of you

          • Ian

            This is why we can’t have nice things

          • d-rock

            Because all our government has cared about for the past 200 years is finding ways to profit off the general population.

      • cliff

        Sorry you’re so sour and do not have unlimited. That being said how would you feel if your car or house loan that was locked in at a certain apr and they want to change your house payment after 5 years and you have to pay for another 25 years because they now claim they don’t make money off of you or the other customers.

        • d-rock

          If I had an APR that was locked in for two years and then on year 3 it changes, I would expect that. I might not be happy, but how can I complain. You want to compare apples and oranges, let’s at least make it similar. You had a rate of $30 for unlimited data guaranteed for the life of your contract. They had to honor and you had to honor…now that contract is up and you’re free to do what you want to do and so are they. But you want to cry because they held up their end of the contract, as did you. If you leave Verizon (before losing unlimited), do you think they are going to whine and cry that you owe them something? No

          So don’t get logical in an emotional ordeal. Verizon owes you nothing. You owe them nothing. Whatever they decided to do in regards to your service with them, is within their rights if there is no contract.

          • HarvesterX

            No. After your 2 or 1 contract runs out you are then on a month to month contract if you stay and Verizon still has to honor the original contract until any change is made to the original contract (or if you leave the month to month by fkt example, not paying your bill)

          • d-rock

            Where do you get that information? Its always been that if they change the terms of your service, you can get out of the contract, so if they can change while under contract(forfeiting the contract), how can they not after the contract is up?

          • HarvesterX

            Since 2008 VB Verizon has offered their Month to Month contracts. After your 2 or one year is over and if you don’t extend your contract then you see placed onto the month to month using the same terms as whatever you was previously on.

            This is what I’m on now. I bought my G2 outright and my contract ran out soon after so now I’m on the same unlimited data promo regional plan but month to month.

            Verizon still can’t change your contract as long as you are complying (paying your bill, etc) so the same contract protection is in place so in my case if they ever just got rid of unlimited data plans period thy couldn’t just move me to a tiered plan without my consent, or else many lawsuits would follow.

            I think you’re correct though about being able yo leave without ETFs if they ever did change certain aspects of the contract, but that’s not what u was tqlkog about.. I may have just read the initial comment the wrong way.

          • d-rock

            I think that they could, without reason, cancel your service. Month to month isn’t a contract. Legally, they have no obligation toward keeping your business.

      • James Heyneman

        When that happens, they won’t have me as a customer any more. I suspect that will be the case for quite a few people.

    • StankyChikin

      Well.. Technically you are paying for unlimited data, not unlimited bandwidth.. With that said, they shouldn’t have given people the option to have unlimited plans if they didn’t want people using unlimited data.

      • Hans Dirk Kwazneski

        As much as I despise verizon for doing this, and wanting to agree with OP, good reply.

        • cush2push

          This would go along the lines of net neutrality then. Don’t want to be capped pay us more money.

          It’d be the same thing if we bought Xbox live and Microsoft told us if we play more than 20 hours a week we’ll be only able to play single player

          • Hans Dirk Kwazneski

            While a good comparison, not quite accurate. You never started with a contract with Microsoft.

          • cush2push

            if you purchase Xbox LIve it is a contract which is why they make you agree to a TOS before playing

          • http://www.vinsonimages.com yamaha83

            ok well then maybe a better comparison would be you sign up for a gym membership and you start going everyday and sometimes twice a day. .. so they decide to limit you and if the gym is busy, you cant come in anymore because they dont want people to have to wait for machines.

          • nate

            Good comparison. In that case, the gym would have to buy more machines. In this case, Verizon needs to spend a tiny fraction of the billions they make to improve their network infrastructure…

          • MrDivaNYC

            Which Verizon is not going to do! They are going to maximize what they currently have to make the most profit! it’s the American way!

          • Dane Carpenter

            I like the Gym membership analogy, but I imagine it more like you are using more than one piece of equipment at a time. That is essentially the problem here. You have some users that use their phone to download torrents, stream a movie, and download games all at the same time. Completely eating the bandwidth up for other users

          • ezbbycame2play

            If someone is doing all those things at once they are only affecting their own speed at which all those things finish, not other users bandwidth. The gym analogy works here because you are using one piece of equipment: a mobile device. How often you use it or what you do on it does not matter, it is still one device.

          • Lucky Armpit

            But it’s not Net Neutrality. People use that term incorrectly all the time. Net Neutrality is about treating all network traffic the same, whether you are viewing cat on Roomba videos or porn videos. All traffic flows equally. Throttling traffic because you’re using too much data (whether you’re viewing cat on Roomba videos or porn) is not Net Neutrality.

          • cush2push

            Net neutrality (also network neutrality or Internet neutrality) is the principle that Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached equipment, and modes of communication.

            It is because they are not throttling the people of the shared data plans who go over 4 gbs a month

      • velocipedes

        Or, they should monetize what is actually scarce, like EVERY OTHER INDUSTRY. Bandwidth is scarce. Data is not.

        • n00b

          All I understand is that my bill says unlimited, that means I use as much as I want.

          • Sporttster

            Yea just like T-Mobile’s “unlimited” that lets you have a couple gigs and then really throttles your speeds……”unlimited”…..means one thing to us, another to the providers….

          • velocipedes

            I’ve never been throttled on T-mobile’s unlimited 4G plan. All of T-mobile’s data is unlimited, though, so if you’re complaining about being throttled on a plan that only offers 2Gb of 4G, well, you get what you deserve.

          • ImmaDroid

            Thats what we should get!

          • HarvesterX

            Actually read the fine print. Unlimited ONLY applied to the device it’s on contract with. Tethering yoit device and using unlimited on another device without paying more IS explicitly in the contract.

            With that said though, this is still just a dick move by Verizon and the FCC needs to pursue this and bring them down a notch.

      • Zach Cline

        It’s not that they didn’t want people using it , They didn’t want people abusing it and that’s exactly what happened. That’s why they moved to the tiered data plans .

        • Sporttster

          It is All you can eat buffet! It is not all you can eat all day buffet! You eat too much food! You go home now!

          • TC Infantino

            +1 for the John Pinette reference

        • TC Infantino

          Actually, no, that is not the reason at all. The reason they moved to tiered data plans was entirely to capitalize on the service that the majority of their customers were using the most. Remember when cell phone plans were tiered based on minutes? Then they noticed that people were texting a large amount, so they moved to add different text message tiers. Now, the majority of cell tower traffic is data, not voice, or even texts, so they have moved their monitization to the data usage. It is always, and always will be about making the most money off the most used service.

          • Zach Cline

            And they have every right to capitalize on data . Again , Verizon , AT&T T-Mobile are all out there to make money .

          • TC Infantino

            Yes, they have the right to capitalize on data use, except where it violates regulations or laws. Which is entirely what this subject is about, violations of the FCC regulations of use of certain LTE frequencies.

          • HarvesterX

            Correct. Specifically the 700MHz Block C LTE frequency that under terns WOULD NOT BE THROTTLED. The FCC has evey right to pursue this. If they will or not who knows.

        • BobButtons

          If that’s the case, they’d trottle tiered users that are above their “4.7 GB” amount. But they don’t. This is only applied to unlimited. I’d give them the benefit of the doubt if the terms applied to all users above a certain amount on a congested tower regardless of plan… but the fact it only applies to unlimited data customers shows this is a lot more than “network optimization.”

        • MrDivaNYC

          foolish! I guess you don’t own your own business. They introduced tiered data, because it’s a way to maximize their profits! MAKE MORE MONEY, GET RICHER, EXTORT THE CUSTOMER. There is a fool born every minute. AT&T and Verizon aren’t as big as they are for being foolish.

          • Zach Cline

            ^^^ Stupid . Actually my family had a business so years so I do understand this move from Verizon . They are a business and not a charity . It costs them billions of dollars every year to provide your coverage . If you’re not happy with Verizon go somewhere else.

        • g.j

          How is it abuse when the term unlimited means no end. Which means if I have unlimited access to whatever, I can use it all I want with no repercussions. You sir make no sense.

        • http://infotainmentempire.blogspot.com Rob

          No, people weren’t abusing it. For some reason I remember Verizon trying to say that top data users (like 2%) are the only ones that use over 2 GBs. Of course this was when not everyone was using an LTE phone. Verizon was trying to convince everyone that unlimited was unnecessary and you could “save” money by switching to a tiered data plan since you “don’t need all of that data.”

      • Josh

        The FCC would have something to say about this particular issue.

      • ImmaDroid

        But we bout these plans not under the assumption of limited use, and limited speeds. Sure no one knew what changes would be made to the cell industry, but still, we have this plan so they should honor it. I have unlimited, but dont use much. But them trying to change everything is just bad business

        • pyro74boy .

          The ONLY changes that have been made now vs then is the fact that everyone has become more greedy now. LOL

          This world would be such a better place without money. Money has taken over the world and Verizon is proving it.

          • ImmaDroid

            I feel ya brotha. Thats why i am weighing my options now. I used to be 100% verizon, now I am contract free and weighing my options!. I know Vzw is the best around by me. But is that really worth it now a days. Since I don’t use that much data

      • me

        Idiots……they were shortsided and didn’t see the explosion of cell phones as the main source that people use the internet…now they want to cry and takt it away.

        • James Burkett

          Have you ever built a cellular network? I bet you haven’t… So I’d be willing to guess they are doing what they have to to maintain quality service for Everyone, not just the top 5 percent data hogs.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

            Sorry but 5 gigs a month is not data hog level use. If they were throttling people who use 10 gigs and up maybe I could see it.

          • Ian

            Dropping someone to 2G speeds is not maintaining quality for everyone. How about you add bandwidth to congested sites to improve everyone’s experience. Oh wait, that costs money as opposed to makes us more…oh well let’s just claim its for the right reasons.

          • BobButtons

            Because of this, I’d give them the benefit of the doubt of only throttling high-data users on congested towers… but where they lost me is when they don’t throttle other users with just as high, if not even higher, data usage just because they’re on a tiered instead of unlimited plan. If this is truly purely about “network optimization” it wouldn’t matter if someone was on tiered or unlimited… If Verizon’s going to throttle, it should apply to customers using a lot of data and on a congested tower.. period…. regardless of the plan they’re on.

          • Jimneezy

            Exactly!!!

          • Chris Jones

            Right. There are 3 factors: time, scope, and money. I bet vzw is limiting their money which means their scope (adding more backend hardware/towers/peering be/etc) or they are wanting to do that, not willing to pay to have it done as fast as their user base is growing. Either way, more money and engineers could likely help, but vzw is greedy and opportunistic. There are better carriers – I use TMobile and get unlimited everything for less than a capped vzw plan….

          • Jimneezy

            You seriously believe that data hogging BS?? Instead of complaining about data hogs why don’t you complain to Verizon that the hundreds of dollars you spend monthly to them isn’t going into more infrastructure and bandwidth

          • HarvesterX

            So it’s OK to throttle people on UNLIMITED contracts for going over 4.7GB of data (say 5.5GB in a month) but not touching those on 6GB tiered plans?

            Verizon purchased a very fast 700 MHz Block C bandwith and part of those terms were that Verizon was NOT to throttle bandwith over those block. Hence the original inquest by the FCC.

            There is NO reason for VZW to do this due to “optimizations’ and if you believe that them you are braibwashed already (you refers to anyone not YOU). And yes, I have helped build networks as I used to work with a local company here providing our own network over certain frequencies we had dishes up for and had no problem offering unlimited access plans.

      • pyro74boy .

        Verizon can call it whatever they want but the fact remains that slowing down our data speeds and then still calling unlimited as not truly unlimited and the reason why come October 1st I’m leaving their network,

        • Ian

          Annnnnd telling everyone you know to never give VZW another dollar. That’ll show ‘em.

        • catalyst7

          The way to leave verizon is to upgrade before you leave, switch your old phone back on the verizon line and have t-mobile pay the ETF. Then sell the new phone on swappa and pay off your phone with t-mobile. That’s what I did

          • Edwin M

            I have 3 lines. 2 are due for upgrades, I might just do that if my service is affected. If I see my speeds drop I’m jumping ship for T-Mobile.

          • ilovetechnology

            That’s sticking it to T-mobile…not Verizon. While not illegal or anything, it is kind of a shady move.

        • MrDivaNYC

          AND that’s what u should do – if you do not agree with their terms and conditions. hit them where it hurts. Try running this across the brains of the millions of American people who use their service. There is a fool born every minute and those fools make the best customers. Which is why these companies can do what they do!

        • Raven

          Good bye, that is just more bandwidth for the rest of us.

          • pyro74boy .

            You make me laugh because having one person leave Verizon is not going to make one bit of difference in bandwidth speed. LOL Verizon would have to lose many [AND I DO MEAN MANY] more customers then that for that to ever have a chance of that ever happening.

          • Raven

            That was sarcasm. I am a computer systems engineer with networking and firewall experience. I know that. But, I also think that leaving just because they are implementing this is silly unless you regularly happen to be in a location with a very congested cell site and happen to be regularly throttled and aren’t just imagining that the man is out to get you. Try running Ookla Speedtest from various locations that should be on different cell sites and see how much your bandwidth actually varies. I regularly get 15-20 Mbps which is more than enough for a phone. If you get significantly less than that, then sorry about your luck.

          • pyro74boy .

            The thing is I live in an area where the network gets used a lot and trust me I always run speedtest and where I use my phone the most is where they are going to be slowing down the speeds. I have already been shopping around for new service and can get a better overall deal somewhere else and have true unlimited data with faster speeds and I will have true unlimited everything because right now I only have 450 anytime minutes and with this new plan I’m thinking about getting on T-mobile I can have unlimited everything for about the same price as what I’m paying right now. T-mobile works just fine in the city I live in and was ratted the fastest so bye bye Verizon for me and hello T-mobile.

        • StankyChikin

          But it is truly unlimited data… You can use as much data as the bandwidth you have at the time will allow… Vzw is an ass for doing this but they are well within their rights to do so.

          • pyro74boy .

            Selling a plan with the word unlimited in it should mean just that otherwise it should not be called unlimited in the first place. I would much rather have Verizon be truthful with me and not lie and claim something is truly unlimited when it’s not. So sorry but I’m not nearly going to be as understanding about this as you seem to be because we the unlimited data customer have be lied too This is costing Verizon money because they are going to be losing business over this. Unless Verizon puts something in writing guaranteeing me that my data will not be slowed down after 4.7GB then and only then will I I be staying with Verizon. That’s what the T-mobile rep is more then willing to do for me and T-mobile has a much faster network vs Verizon at least in my local area and I can get any phone I want and have at least a year to pay it off and pay basically the same price as I’m paying now plus it’s even better because I only get 450 anytime minutes now and with T-mobile I will be getting truly unlimited everything so I won’t even have to keep track of my anytime minutes anymore. I this point the only thing I’m not sure of is if I’m going with the LG G3 or Samsung Note4 those are the two phones I’m comparing at the moment.

          • StankyChikin

            Exactly what part of unlimited data do you not understand? They do not, in any way, lead customers to believe that they guaranteed unlimited bandwidth on their network. I would love for somebody to point to me where they guaranteed unlimited bandwidth to it’s customers on the unlimited plans.

          • pyro74boy .

            Exactly what part of unlimited data do you not understand? When Verizon sold me this plan in the first place I was told by the Verizon rep who sold me the plan that I would be getting unlimited data and would not be getting slowed down. These where his words and not mine so yes I was lied to because he NEVER ONCE claimed that my data might be slowed down after 4.7GB I’m grandfathered unlimited data without being slowed down in this plan until I change it and that’s what I can quote the Verizon rep telling me. BOTTOM LINE if it’s not unlimited data then don’t call it this in the first place. You can choose to expect what Verizon is doing to their unlimited data customers all you want but not me I’m switching to a better and faster network and making my T-mobile rep put it in writing that I will have true unlimited data with no throttling before I agree to anything and I will be reading the fine print before I leave the store even if it takes forever to do it because I’m getting so sick of being lied to. UNLIMITED should mean just Exactly that NO EXCUSES ABOUT IT. I don’t know how someone like you can even try to argue this. It’s a game that Verizon is playing and they have lost because I’m not going to stand for this anymore and they have no hold on me because I’m out of contract. BYE BYE VERIZON I WON’T MISS YOU.

          • StankyChikin

            Apparently I understand the difference between unlimited data an unlimited bandwidth and you apparently do not :)

          • Taglogical

            You are missing the entire point. Verizon is acting unethically. For instance they would be within their rights to throttle everyone’s 4G LTE to 256kbps.. Even at 56kbps you’re still riding their 4G LTE network so I guess you would have no problem with them reducing your speed to 56kbps so that everyone can ‘enjoy the same experience.’ Except for the fact that a ton of people would have a huge problem with VZW doing this for the same reasons unlimited data users are expressing herein.

          • StankyChikin

            If you read my original response, you would see that I am indeed not missing the point. I just happen to not be blinded by self entitlement to see that there is a difference between unlimited data and unlimited bandwidth. I have already stated that I believe vzw is wrong for doing this, but they are under no obligation to give you the fastest speeds possible. There is a reason they use “up to 4G LTE speeds” in the wording of the contract. Once you are off contract, they aren’t obligated to give you anything. The can change whatever they Damn well please.

          • Taglogical

            Yes you continue to miss the point. No one is saying that Verizon is obligated to provide us with 100GB/s or a gazillion GB/s or to quote you “unlimited bandwidth.” No one. You are defending the unethical position of Verizon to impose limits on people who go over 4.7GB of data a month who also have unlimited data plan when no such limit is imposed on those who exceed 4.7 gigs of data who are on tiered plans. You’re wrong. Verizon is wrong, and thats why the FCC is poking their nose in it.

          • StankyChikin

            So you basically glance over the part where I said that Vzw is wrong for doing this? I am merely stating that they are not legally obligated do what you people claim they should be doing. People continue to say that it’s not truly unlimited data if they are being throttled when in fact they are two totally different things . Unlimited data means you are not capped as to how much data you can use, it has nothing to do with how fast the download speeds are. FCC can poke their nose in all that they want, there is nothing they can do about it.

          • pyro74boy .

            Did you even take the time to read all of my last comment? because it clearly explains that I was told I have unlimited data and unlimited bandwidth from the Verizon rep that sold it to me. So think before you speak again. Bottom line I was lied to and you refuse to understand this and want to take Verizon,s side over this when Verizon does not even have a valid argument. Today is Sunday take the day off today and go cash in your Verizon payroll check you have earned it. LOL

          • StankyChikin

            You are telling me that you specifically asked about bandwidth? Come on now lol

          • pyro74boy .

            Quote [When Verizon sold me this plan in the first place I was told by the
            Verizon rep who sold me the plan that I would be getting unlimited data
            and would not be getting slowed down. These where his words and not mine
            so yes I was lied to because he NEVER ONCE claimed that my data might
            be slowed down after 4.7GB I'm grandfathered unlimited data without
            being slowed down in this plan until I change it and that's what I can
            quote the Verizon rep telling me.]

            Quote [I'm grandfathered unlimited data without being slowed down] Just this one statement alone covers both unlimited data and unlimited bandwidth.

            What part about this do you not seem to understand? LOL

          • StankyChikin

            The part where the rep offered up the not being slowed down part. I find that very hard to believe that he offered that up and that you even asked it. But you can claim what you want and I can’t prove otherwise so I will just have you quote your original contract you signed that states this. ;)

          • pyro74boy .

            Are you accusing me of lying? You were not there so unfortunately for you it does not matter what you think and you can’t accuse me of lying because that’s what I was told by the Verizon rep in his very own words. I find it very hard to believe that you would try to take Verizon’s side in all of this without even being there and knowing what I was told in Verizon’s own words. I also find it funny that you seem to understand Verizon’s part in all of this but you refuse to understand my part in all of this and now you’re accusing me of lying. BOTTOM LINE you weren’t there so quit assuming that I lied about this because that’s a lie. Really for someone like you to act this way toward me makes me wonder if you maybe are on Verizon’s payroll for you to defend Verizon they way you do. My point’s are %100 percent valid even though you refuse to understand anything I have said.

            Quote [I'm grandfathered unlimited data without being slowed down] Just
            this one statement alone covers both unlimited data and unlimited
            bandwidth.

            Sorry Verizon rep you’re going to lose me as your customer unless you put in writing that my data will not be slowed down after 4.7GB.

            Now take the rest of the day off and go spend that hard earned money from your job at Verizon Wireless.

          • Taglogical

            And they would be within their rights to throttle everyone’s 4G LTE to 256kbps.. Even at 56kbps you’re still riding their 4G LTE network so I guess you would have no problem with them reducing your speed to 56kbps so that everyone can ‘enjoy the same experience.’

      • krudl3rx

        But what sense does it make to punish high data users when they are already being limited on busy towers? It’s not like my 30Mbps connection just keeps on trucking along when i hit a congested tower. It drops to 1Mbps like everyone else… so WHY limit me further to 256/128 kbps just because i used 6 GB this month?

        • Chris Hannan

          That way Verizon’s favorite (tiered) customers get faster speeds than you do.

        • http://infotainmentempire.blogspot.com Rob

          I feel your pain. Sometimes I’m hitting 20-35+ mbps down, but other times I can’t even hit 4 mbps (like right now during my speedtest I’m doing). WTF? 2 bars of 4G LTE should be enough of a signal… unless I’m already being throttled or there is really that much traffic/congestion. Either way, Verizon needs to keep putting up equipment. More and more people are using smartphones and tablets – unlimited data or not.

        • KleenDroid

          I agree. I would understand this if they throttled users that were at 20 gig per month, not 4.7. There are tiered users that have 6 gig and they don’t get throttled.

        • StankyChikin

          I’m not saying that it is right.. I am merely saying that informing those people who don’t seem to understand that data and bandwidth are two different things… Vzw guarantees unlimited data but they don’t guarantee you anything as far as bandwidth is concerned.

      • pyro74boy .

        If their calling it UNLIMITED then it better be just that. This is just Verizon,s way of covering up the fact that they are crying over the fact that they are not making money on their unlimited data customers. This was the icing on the cake for me when I heard a few short weeks back that effective October 1st they where going to be doing this because I’m leaving Verizon and I’m asking everyone I know that has Verizon or is thinking of going with Verizon how they are treating people like me. I’m in the drivers seat here for the simple fact that I’m off of contract and there is NOTHING Verizon can do to make me stay with them short of them letting me have TRUE UNLIMITED DATA.

        • Ian

          Cue the broken record

        • chaoscentral

          have fun at tmobile or sprint. im sure vzw wont miss you.

          • Josh

            I can chime in here:
            I’m an unlimited data user who is probably in the top 1% for data usage. My usage this month is already at 102 GB and climbing. Unlimited data is a requirement for me because of this high usage, due to tethering, and the upload and download of large video files across my household and the cloud. How do I feel about all this? I signed up for unlimited data. That is my contract. There was nothing in my contract at signing that mentioned throttling. The fact that the fine print of the contract allows them to do this is unprofessional and frankly childish. You signed a deal with me, and I have not broken any rules of that deal. If you want me to stop using this much data, then make me another offer that I can’t refuse. Take the small financial hit that you may have to take in order to be where you want to be as a service provider.

          • pyro74boy .

            They will miss my money trust me and trust me I won’t miss them as well.

          • Marvin

            Have fun throwing away money. Im sure money won’t miss you.

      • on

        It’d be nice if Verizon at least informs users that they’re currently being throttled.

        • StankyChikin

          One would think that they would be emailed or sent a text message that tells them that they are in the top percentile and are subject to being throttled.. This is a carrier we are talking about though lol

      • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

        No, we’re not paying for unlimited bandwidth. We’re paying for 4G LTE bandwidth. Which means if they start throttling people to speeds far below the 4G LTE specifications, they are not providing the service they agreed to provide (and continue to advertise).

        • MrDivaNYC

          don’t like it, cancel.

          • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+GeorgeDavisATL/posts George Davis

            OK, you’re cancelled.

          • LA

            “don’t like it, cancel”

            Wrong.

            They agree to provide a service, and then they try and deny me service they advertised, because they can’t handle the load? Wrong. The problem is entirely on their end. If they can’t handle the traffic they need to take some of that billions they have and invest in more towers. Please remember that the spectrum verizon uses belongs to the people and verizon only has a license to operate in it.

            Sent from my Galaxy s 4 with unlimited data. 5.44 GB used so far this month.

        • HarvesterX

          Paying for 4G LTE which which works on a particular band which by law should NOT be being throttled to.begin with, hence the FCC’s initial letter to Verizon.

          Someone at the FCC will end up getting paid off though to not pursue this any further.

        • StankyChikin

          You are paying for unlimited data not unlimited 4G LTE Bandwidth.. Verizon cannot guarantee that you will get 4G LTE Bandwidth therefore they aren’t going to guarantee it in their contracts.

      • MrDivaNYC

        Unlimited means unlimited! If there are no stipulations as to how the resources should be used under “unlimited”, then it’s wide open for UNLIMITED use!

        • StankyChikin

          Show me exactly where Verizon states that they will guarantee you unlimited bandwidth in their unlimited contract.

      • Taglogical

        On that Technical note, we are paying for unlimited 4G LTE Data. Following Verizon’s argument, they could “optimize” their network by throttling 4G speeds to 256Kbps for everyone all the time (after all, 4G LTE speed isn’t defined or guaranteed is it? But I’m guessing there is a reasonable expectation of ‘fast speed’ among those who pay for 4G LTE data…) – This way, the people who use the internet once a month for 5 minutes, will get the same ‘experience’ as the people who actually use what they paid for… Clearly, Norma who pays $30/mo and seldom uses her service is a more profitable and desirable customer for Verizon than John who pays $30/mo and uses his service every day. Verizon is a profitable company; this is all about MORE profit and future positioning/successfully establishing (slippery-slope) precedence and has nothing to do with ‘evil unlimited data subscribers.’ Wake the F up people.

        • StankyChikin

          If I am correct, Verizon sold their plans as “Unlimited Data” plans.. Not unlimited 4G LTE Data plans. In Verizons eyes, Data was/is considered data regardless of its speed. If you pay for 4G LTE then you get that data at faster speeds than one that is paying for 3G. Verizon never tied their data and bandwidth limits together. If customers are expecting this, then that is the fault of the customer not Verizons.

    • Ryan Dombroski

      They are ignoring the whole “no throttling” thing/rule that they agreed to when they purchased that Spectrum from the FCC

      • HarvesterX

        But again the unlimited dara only applies to the device under contract. Tethering to your PC and using your PC over your mobile data line without paying for tethering is not what unlimited means and it’s explicitly in the contract.

        But you are dead on. They agreed to not throttle as part of the terms of sale when they purchased the 700MHz Block C spectrum.

    • mcdonsco

      If you’re being reasonable with it and NOT using it as your only/primary internet connection for home as well, then I agree with you.

      If however you’re one of the aholes that uses 100+gb’s a month because you ARE using as your primary home connection then Verizon throttling US (yes, me too) is YOUR FAULT.