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Relax, HTC One (M8) Sales Aren’t Struggling, Phone Hasn’t Even Fully Launched

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It’s been a little over a week since the HTC One (M8) “launched” here in America, although, the company would like to remind us that the M8 doesn’t hit “full retail” until April 11. However, while it still may not be available through all retail outlets globally, if you live America, and want to buy the phone, it’s easy to get your hands on it.

According to a new report from Chitika, a company which measures web traffic on its network, the One (M8) is off to a rather slow start. When compared to all other HTC devices currently activated on the network, the M8 sits at just 0.1% after a week and a half of being on sale. 

To compare, a week after last year’s One (M7) launched, the device counted for a full 1% of the traffic. This leads a few in the mobile industry to claim, “HTC M8 flagship set to fail,” but we would rather not be so quick to judge.

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HTC’s US President, Jason Mackenzie took to Twitter, attempting to set the record straight. Jason states that, “contrary to [the] report, we are very satisfied with initial results.” As mentioned earlier, the M8 still has a few days before it goes “full retail” on April 11, so there is still plenty of time for HTC’s numbers to pick up.

HTC continues to fight an uphill battle against Samsung and Apple, with both company’s flagships set to debut in a short time. The Galaxy S5 goes on sale April 11 globally, and Apple will release the iPhone 6 within the next couple of months. It could be quite a long year for HTC.

It’s too early to start calling a device a failure, but with all of this said, is there something HTC could be doing differently? We know the M8 device is super premium, but could they be focusing more on marketing and advertising? Who here has an idea that can save them?

Let’s hear your thoughts below.

Via: BGRBusiness Insider | Chitika@JasonMacHTC
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  • densuec

    Not sure what all the nastiness is about. We are consumers and we have choice. I chose the M8 after retiring my Razr Maxx and what I am holding in my hand is a beautiful, well designed, superior build quality device with incredibly fast performance. Now as a former NYC ad agency guy myself, HTC needs to spend MORE and come to market with a much better message than what they are delivering which is NOTHING in terms of features and benefits and a lot of ambiguity. Remember something terrible happens when you don’t advertise…NOTHING!

  • Chase Morell

    I have an htc one m7, but the truth is nobody knows about HTC. 99% of the population has never heard of the HTC ONE. If someone mentions a manufacturer that is other than Apple or Samsung, they automatically disregard it because they assume its some crappy prepaid android maker. People are too stupid these days to even do a simple google search “best smartphones”. Instead, they are marketing sheep who throw hundreds of dollars to companies because you can scroll with your eyes on the phone. The only hope htc has is too literally scream the HTC ONE m8 EVER SECOND. This needs to be the year the whole world gets properly introduced to HTC. HTC needs to say goodbye to ANY profits and use ALL thier money on advertising. And it can’t be crap like it was last year. Whoever came up with those hideous alternate acronym ads needs to be fired. THEY SUCKED. An ad that simply said HTC HTC HTC HTC HTC over and over would get people’s attention more.

    Here’s my ad idea. next superbowl.

    HTC needs to buy EVERY ad spot. Yes its cost would be extremely high and HTC would probally not do well financially that year. BUT WHO CARES. HTC’s a sinking ship anyway. unless they want to have no market share, they got to gamble a little. doing my idea would get the entire USA talking.

    • NexusMan

      HTC’s problem is more than just brand recognition. They seem to be clueless on how to make a compelling product. They created a great device last year that didn’t sell, and what do they do this year? They release a heavier, taller, more slippery iteration of the same phone, with absolutely nothing ground breaking about it to win over any of the people that passed on it last year.

      • JohnCorleone

        It was named phone of the year by the most reviewers and tech sites. It also sold so fast on launch that Samsung moved the S4 launch date up two weeks earlier than planned. I have both the S4 and M7 and I like to root and customize. The M7 never had a single reboot, freeze or overheating problem…..but… Those were GSM devices

        My 2 upgrades are on Sprint. Luckily the trip band LTE is in my area and the S5 and M8 will support it and HD calls but I am using both side by side and choosing one and saving the other upgrade because the other carriers are catching up. The Sony Xperia Z1i is great and so is the LG G2 which has the same chip as the M8 and S5 and the LG Flex is unique. If you are going to just put an AOSP ROM on then it depends on your carrier and the devs but many are tired of Samsung trying to lock the phone down (like Knox in update on Note 3 and S4) where HTC releases the source code on their site. If you mainly stay stock you will get a great phone either way but camera never made my decision for me

        • NexusMan

          I am well aware of the critical recognition the M7 received. I am also aware how others chose the Moto X as the best phone. Bottom line is, however, that the critical acclaim of the M7 did not translate into sales. A site recently put it perfectly in a post headline: HTC, You Don’t Need Awards, You Need Sales. The M7 failed to capture the attention of buyers, and the M8 will once again get slaughtered by Samsung, because HTC has done nothing to seriously address its issues. The majority of the buying public could care less about an all metal phone. That can not be your main selling point, especially when it’s so called phenomenal design makes the phone slippery, heavy, big, and ridiculously tall.

  • Ronald

    Fanboys will always find any reason they can to rage. The camera..serously ?? A smartphone camera has its place, uploading to Facebook, Instagram and sharing on Google+. I mean if fidelity and poster size prints are what your looking for go SLR or point and shoot. HTC has nailed it with the M8, if offers a lot of cool useful feature and amazing camera effects.

    • NexusMan

      Most people don’t walk around with a SLR or point and shoot wrapped around their neck everywhere they go. Therefore, the camera is important to many consumers, as they always have their phone on them. People who complain about the want for a great smartphone camera sound just as silly as if I were to say “Who cares about a fast processor, great screen and lag? If you want high end specs, speed and accuracy, you should use a laptop.”

  • niteowl360

    I’ve been with Htc since the Diamond 2, HD2 running Android, Htc One X.
    Everyone has their own subjective needs for a phone.
    My first priority is always the screen for my own subjective needs.
    Those who wish to take photos on the spur of the moment, clearly look for a decent camera.
    My family all have iPhones. The camera is stunning, and because of this I clearly understand why people rate the camera quality so highly.
    Just because it’s not important to me, it’s important to others.
    I for one would have liked Htc to concentrate on a classic camera and one that rivals their main opposition the S5.
    I cannot believe they persevered with the 4 MB ultra pixel scenario which clearly the layman does not understand.
    Just as clearly, it does not compete with the competition.
    Everything else on this device is superior to anything on the market, across any platform.
    So whilst the camera is not my main concern, I understand why so many believe this aspect to be a deal breaker.
    Htc should give up the gimmicky software, and concentrate on what really matters, the real hardware which the body of the device clearly displays.
    Just my subjective opinion.
    To those here who need to be abusive, perhaps understanding that forums are meant to be subjective, may assist them..

  • Unimatrix1986

    My first 2 smartphones were by htc. Htc mytouch slide then i had the HTC One S both phones were great the One S especially with audio beats and the sexy thin and light metallic design. When the note 3 came out in October i let go of my htc for bigger screen. I waited for the One Maxx but the note 3 killed the maxx on specs. Now 6 months later I’m really thinking on going back to htc. Samsung made a killer phone with the note 3 but the audio and speaker are terrible. The camera on the One S was an 8mp and was a very good cam very fast and took great pics i don’t think the tge cam on the M8 can be any worst than that.

  • airstripes

    I would like a decent camera to zoom in and crop on details with clear results. Don’t have money for the DSLR right now. Bulky to carry and I always have my phone for those unplanned moments. Those make the best pictures!!

  • Travis

    The best thing HTC can do is, instead of a depth sensor , use their ultra pixel camera for the second camera sen, and the main camera can be their high megapixel camera. That way the phone is good in the light and the dark,and everyone would stop making fun of them for the “stupid” 4 Megapixel camera. If you’ll ever read HTC, TAKE A HINT!

  • JohnCorleone

    Just to try it, I went in a pitch black 5’x20″ outside enclosed patio. I could see every detail with the M7 pic. I don’t know when that would be useful though…

  • Amal

    their marketing strategy is not good. It looks like even though the phone got unique features, they are not marketing about those unique features. I think they should use some hip hop, rap artist to promote their music. e.g. 50 cent

    • amal

      meant speakers

  • DaShocker

    Go back to removable batteries.. HTC customers are usually power users and need removable batteries.. I carry 4 batteries on me at all times..

  • Frank

    HTC is weak in the advertising and marketing realms. That’s why the company will never do well. It’s like winking at a girl in a dark room.

  • William Oh

    HTC is struggling to survive because they don’t know what really matters in a mobile phone. They’re just listening to kids and their short-lived dream of a premium phone. For starters, the trade-off for having that unibody aluminum was too great. They don’t put enough attention to where it matters most, and that’s why Samsung and Apple will always be ahead of the game.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aarontrevor Aaron Sentell

    That’s sad to hear. This is my first HTC phone and I love it. I think there is definitely a place for HTC. They are the only phone manufacturer that really builds a premium device & doesn’t have an obnoxious UI overlay.

    • jeff bellin

      I think HTC’s only salvation may be by going back to being a contract manufacturer for other brands, which was its origins some 10 years ago. It lacks the capital and the expertise to market a consumer product, but they are by far and away the best at design and manufacturing. Question is: who would brand and market their products? The industry has become so vertically integrated with Samsung and Apple both having a substantial portion of their product being proprietary, and every other consumer brand designs and manufactures their own products. There are a number of scenarios I can envision for HTC over the next couple of years – unfortunately, none of them are good :(. Doesn’t seem right, but I guess the moral of the story is that most large consumer markets have room for 2 dominant players and 1-3 more marginal ones, that can live off the table scraps of the leaders. HTC’s cost structure just won’t support them being a niche player, but their resources and talents will prevent them from becoming a market leader. Sad.

  • Tim Kazzee

    I want one m8

  • stancold

    Started with the 1st droid and loved it .
    went to an HTC rezound and never went back to a moto droid .
    Got a Samsung Note 2 and now all iwill Iis a Note 3 .
    HTC one maxx even with its 5.9 inch screen didn’t sway me back to HTC .

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  • Harold Goldner

    It’s not about the camera folks. I have heard more idle chatter from people who simply have no clue about the camera other than the single designation: ultrapixel v. megapixel with a number. There is one, thorough, analysis of the camera, compared to an iphone that I’ve seen and that favored the iphone camera after the test, but didn’t knock-out the M8’s camera.

    So, how about you try *using* the camera. The after-the-shot handling is, well, pretty amazing. Howsoever this phone does once there are complete sales figures, I’m willing to wager it isn’t going to be about the camera. We’re talking gross sales figures and we’re only a little more than a week out of a partial roll-out. No self-respecting business person is going to make estimates based upon so little information — but, hey, nobody needs a license to give an opinion.

    The rush to come to conclusions is no better than CNN’s incessant efforts to scoop everyone else, even at the expense of accuracy.

    • jeff bellin

      Very, very well put sir! Neither the enthusiasts’ disappointment with the camera nor the miniscule amount of sales data reported tell you anything about the prospects for the M8 in the marketplace. That said, there does already exist a pretty significant indicator on how well the M8 will do in the market over the next year: how well the M7 did over the past year. For HTC, this is not a positive indicator. While it is felt by many that both smartphone market saturation and smartphone performance have hit plateaus, there is still opportunity for any given new product to take market share away from the “big 2″ provided it had attributes that attracted buyers away from Samsung or Apple. The question that I believe is behind many of the comments here today is whether the M8 has the potential to be such a product, that can grow its sales by taking sales away from mostly stagnant products likely to hold, say, the top 4 spots on the leader board. I like this phone and I like this company so it is with some sadness that I say that I don’t think HTC has done what it needed to if it had designs on capturing a significantly larger share in 2014-15 than it did in 2013-14. Why? It just isn’t meaningfully different from the M7 and it will compete against an also largely unchanged Samsung flagship S5 – backed again by a Samsung’s megabuck marketing budget. Thus, between the two, I predict a wash; each will hold their present share in a market predicted to grow little in the coming year. Will this be the year when Android premium smartphones will grab a significantly higher slice of the pie vs. the iphone(s)? Without knowing precisely what Apple will be offering as competition, it is fairly safe to speculate that it will at least offer an iPhone with a larger screen than the i5s and c have and it is my belief that doing so will likely stem any potential “tide” of iPhone owners just unwilling to put up with what is no longer a viable screen size in the premium smartphone market. Unfortunately for both Samsung and HTC (and LG I guess) an iPhone with at least a 4.5″ screen – better with a 4.7″ – has a better chance of gaining converts from Android than the reverse.

      Sorry for the long-winded post; I meant to be sufficiently thorough to cover the major contributors to the M8’s prospects for significant sales growth in the coming year. I tentatively conclude that it will neither gain nor lose share vs Samsung and that both are likely to lose at least a bit of share to Apple if it does the one thing the market has all but punched the in the face about: make the dam screen bigger! It will, and more people will buy it, relative to same-old same-olds from Samsung and HTC. Thus, I agree with those who think the M8 will not be a success as measured in absolute sales dollars or relative market share. Notice I didn’t mention the camera? Do I think some will either fail to “upgrade” from M7 to M8 and others will decide not to switch from something else to the M8 because of the camera? I suspect so, but I highly doubt this factor will amount to much more than white noise in the sales figures. My hunch is that despite the universal acclaim of the M7 – all of which applies to the M8 as well – it turns out that the market is not clamoring for an Android phone designed and built like an Apple product. The fact that the market purchased more than 10 times as many plastic toy-like S4s than the jewel-like HTC One when their performance was at approximate parity (ok camera-obsessed, now’s your time to insist that the higher resolution camera on the S4 is responsible for it selling an order of magnitude more units! Really?) comes down to that which drives consumer business far more than product quality: brand marketing. If HTC can’t take significant share from Samsung with the M7, I don’t think they could do so no matter what product they followed up with. I am, however, confident that it won’t do it with the M8 and that it wouldn’t do so if the M8 had a 16 megapixel camera.

      • cizzlen

        You made a very good point. The market doesn’t seem to care about a premium Android phone right now. However, I’m hoping that will change this year because the M8 looks to be a knockout.

  • blairh

    On-screen buttons plus a non-usable black bottom bezel screams design fail. Should have kept the button placement of the M7 and removed on-screen buttons.

    I’m hoping HTC proves me wrong but I think they’ll sell less M8’s than M7’s. Too tall, heavy, same camera essentially. SD slot isn’t enough to make a difference.

    • Dominick White

      I think they will sell more M8..lots of people main issue with the M7 was because of no SD card and only having the two button lay out… I am hoping this move with SD card also makes LG bring back SD card in their U. S Models

  • reyalP

    The M8 is just too long. Lacks the screen to be a phablet but has the body to be one. It’s almost as tall as a note 3 buy not near as wide and has a smaller screen. Build quality i feel is excellent, but design is horrible! Better design implementation and I would be all over this phone.

  • Zac S

    I absolutely love this phone. UI is gorgeous, front facing camera is spectacular, no lags whatsoever. I don’t even want a custom rom. Blinkfeed is great and I can do everything (except wireless tether usb will have to do for now) I want.

  • Smartss

    I ordered mine online… it has an estimated delivery date of April 10th :-(

  • Greg Morgan

    Cut the price, $700 is ridiculous.

    • LionStone

      $599. at Verizon, same price as the DNA was, works for me.

  • Jkdem85

    The camera works well for what I want it to do. I’m not a pro photographer and out of the 20,000 smartphone photos I have taken in my life, I only have printed 2. The rest of the phone is amazing

  • TGIF

    Want to compete with apple and Samsung? Don’t charge 750$?

    This phone could make a ton. Sell it for 400-500 tops. I’d buy it in a heartbeat. But gtfo here with that absurd price. I’m on my unlimited with Verizon forced to buy phone at retail. It blows.
    You’ll never compete with apple or Samsung with these prices. HTC will fall or just be bought out. Only a matter if time.

    • BOB Dudek

      Be patient..3 months from now..a different $tory..the drive by , (read:cluless) public wont respond to this phone..at the lengths they would and will to the G5 or new(?) I phone.the obvious reason: ADVERTISING.and EXPOSURE. will suck up ALL the air ($) in the 5+ ” premium cell room..And HTC does not not have enough oxygen to compete on TV and media pages- Internet..etc. I have a bad feeling that the carriers , esp VZW will not wait till excess the inventory starts choking the supply line..like last time with big $$ devices. Out the door with heavy discounts and no more top tire $upport….may be the reality ,come July 4th weekend. I have the OG HTC1 from last year and ..paid near the top 2yr. asking price , among the bunch of VZW promos..the Device just languished in the clueless stores..as the 4′ I phones and S5’s were in strong demand..with comparatively very light up- front retail discounts..
      I really think (HTC m8) ,the superior Device here..with the best backing..may not be enough to be the HR that HTC may need. Prob a triple..but that is it. With that said.. Next week ..ordering my brushed silver M*8 – I’m not giving up the (proven ) elegant and sturdy construction, and Sense 6 features..+ 6 month screen bust guaranty-and last but last least the boom sound front speakers..’taint giving that up.

  • http://Google.com/+boojay boo Jay

    Loved seeing all the HTC phones in Captain America: Winter Soldier.

  • Grits n Gravy

    The M7 sold poorly, so the M8 will probably follow the same trend.

  • Smeckle

    People are still asking the internet.

    • BOB Dudek

      The Ad Agency hipsters, that got that burn out.G.O. ,to push a brand new device with NO description(s) of a feature rich premium phone..somebody must have been in the Gary Oldman’s stash..well before final green light.

  • CHRIS42060

    HTC First at 1.2%? That seems like a lot to me. They must be stuck in a contract.

  • Tomkins

    I bought the M8 outright to use when I wanted something bigger than my iPhone 5s. The camera might not be amazing, but it is still capable enough. Sense 6 isn’t bloated with too much garbage and the phone is smooth. I honestly would recommend it to anyone who wants a phone with great build quality and decent battery life. (I get 30-33 hours with about 5 hours of screen on.)

    • chris125

      I was thinking about switching from the 5s to it. How do you like it compared to the iPhone?

  • cns2007

    That DNA percentage is pretty impressive considering it’s limited availability.

  • 4g63mark

    I have idea’s. Get rid of Sense, put in a decent camera, make the device more proportionate, make the battery removable, and lower the price…….. I personally don’t care for this phone. There’s actually only 1 thing that makes it stand out in a good way, the Boom Sound speakers. And even those would be better used on a Tablet.

    • flosserelli

      Sense 6 is actually very good. The camera is almost worthless for anything other than posting to social media. I agree the M8 is too tall, but that is what happens when you can’t figure out how to organize components without an extra centimeter of space under the display. Front facing stereo speakers should be adopted by all OEMs. Like yesterday.

    • LionStone

      Cael says nobody cares about sound.?

  • fillyo75

    One word – Camera

    • illregal

      4 words.. You’ve never used it

      • fillyo75

        Yes, I went to the Verizon store fully intending to buy one and walked out with my trusty S4. I do use my camera a lot, and you’ve seen the sample pictures from the new One, outside of low light, they are not good. It’s also way too tall, tall as a Note 3.

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          • fillyo75

            Huh??? I did go to buy one on launch day but left with my current phone, an S4. The S5 was not available yet obviously. The height and camera were nails in the coffin on the One. I did order an S5 today, but really wanted to like the new One. A flagship phone shouldn’t have a below average camera.

          • LionStone

            A flagship phone shouldn’t have below average sound quality or premium materials or bloated UI :-)

          • fillyo75

            I guess that is why we have choices, no? I pick camera first. Sound quality, sure boom sound is good to listen to you tube videos or whatever, but i sure am hell not watch a movie or listening to music without quality headphones. I am fine with the Galaxy materials, it’s not a fashion statement for me, its practical use and durability.

          • LionStone

            Yep, the practicality of BoomSound extends beyond videos & movies, I’ll probably get more use from using them as speakerphone or on the phone for better listening quality.

            If camera is first to you (and I understand, I take thousands of mobile pics) than the only way you’ll get a true feel of the phones capabilities/camera software and if it’ll work for you is to try it out for 10 days. Yes, there’s a restocking fee but small price to pay to give it a fair shake and find the right phone for you for the next year or two.

          • JohnCorleone

            Yeah I was a long time Samsung guy until I bought the international unlocked One X. That phone was built so solid and I never had a single issue.

            I also have the S4 and M7. They have the same hardware basically (except camera) and I prefer the M7 but that doesn’t mean I won’t like the S5 over the M8 . The S5 is water and dust resistant and has a great feature where the whole screen and apps invert at around 20% remaining battery to guarantee at least a half day of battery in case you are without charger.

          • LionStone

            Yea I hear ya, I’m looking forward to the Extreme Power saving mode on the M8!

    • Smartss

      My M7’s camera is just as capable of my iPhone 5S. Or maybe I just don’t care.

      • jeff bellin

        I think you’re on to something here! Lots of people don’t care. Lots of people can’t even perceive a difference. Lots of people are like the person who said they’ve only printed 2 of the 20,000 shots they believed they’ve taken with their smartphone. For individual preference, sure, the M8’s camera can be the deal killer, but for a large population of smartphone buyers, the majority of whom mostly use their camera for selfies and Facebook, the camera is not the reason the stunning jewel of a device that the M7 and M8 are will remain niche products. It’s the marketing, stupid (no, not you, it’s an expression ;))

        • JohnCorleone

          I agree 100%. I have owned the S2, S3, S4, Note 2, Galaxy Nexus, LG Optimus G, also the HTC Evo LTE,One X , and the M7 as well as others and the M7 is the best overall phone I have owned. I had the M7 and Note 2 on AT&T and the M7 LTE and WiFi both maxed out at higher speeds. I unlocked my SIM and my M7 gets 40down 20up LTE on $70 T-Mobile unlimited everything plan. Now I have 2 upgrades and at first it was M8 and wait but there are several great phones now. The LG G2 is a beast, the Sony Z1i is solid and fully waterproof, etc. Now I thought the S4 was like a S3+ but the S5 is water resistant (you can spill a drink on it and dust proof screen) also good new software. I have used the M8 at Best Buy and a swipe gesture paired it to 7 TVs immediately. As far as cameras…its not in my top 5 of what makes my purchasing decision

  • Charlie R.

    The iPhone 6 is not coming out in the next 2 months. More like 6 months with the cycle they are on now.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Apple’s Conference is in June….there will be a new iPhone….in June. He’s right.

      • The Narrator

        Don’t see that happening, at all. But hey, if they bring a bigger screen, i know what I’m getting

        • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

          Apple is like clock work…it’ll happen. Not a secret at this point. But A bigger screen is almost mandatory from apple at this point. Not sure what else they can do

          • flosserelli

            Another row of icons?
            /s

          • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

            Possibly.

      • Charlie R.

        They host WWDC every June and have for years, but stopped announcing new hardware a couple of years ago. They have been releasing phones in September now and will continue that trend this year. The only competition HTC will have for now is from Samsung.

      • blairh

        New iPhone comes in September. You are embarrassing yourself.

        • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

          Embarrassed using a fake name on the internet -__-? lol I think i’ll be fine. Apple regularly swap product release dates between June and Fall.

  • Sherman J. Buster

    I’ll add my 2 cents in here. My wife needed a new phone, so we grabbed the buy one, get one offer on the M8. So, I’m now using one, but I can go back to my old phone if I so desire. I’ve had it a couple days now. Phone feels great in the hand, runs smoothly, blah blah. Most people’s hangup on the phone is the camera, and the camera isn’t great, but that is why I own a DSLR. If I want to go out and take pictures, I bring a real camera. If I’m out and want to take a quick picture, it is probably just to text to someone or post to social media. For this, 4 megapixels or 16 megapixels, it doesn’t really matter. It will be a compressed jpeg anyways. I’m not going for perfection with these shots. I do not plan to upload these pictures to my computer so I can load them in Photoshop to edit.

    • T_Dizzle

      Thank you, someone who gets it. Most people who need a camera don’t even need a dslr. (another conversation) Digital cameras are not expensive anymore and if you have the money for the best smart phone, you have the money for a decent camera.

      • Boblank84

        I think most people don’t want to carry two devices. There are smartphone cameras that are acceptable replacements for a stand alone digital camera. I’m not that picky about smartphone cameras but I get why it is important to many people. It seems silly to me to carry two cameras for everyday shots when many smartphones have proved that to be unnecessary.

        • James

          “There are smartphone cameras that are acceptable replacements for a stand alone digital camera.”

          No there aren’t. No amount of megapixels can make up for the crappy little sensors that phone camera’s have.

          Sure, if the photos you take are going to live on your phone or facebook the phone camera is fine, but if you want to be taken seriously with any regard to photography, the phone camera quality will not cut it.

          • Boblank84

            im was not talking about high end cameras. I was referring to the type of cameras people carried around before decent cell phone cameras ($100 range). There are most definitely cell cameras that are better than many 100 range point and shoots.

  • WickedToby741

    In my opinion they should try to team up with someone like Nikon or Canon and have them handle and brand the camera. Let them handle most of the engineering (cost saving) and you’re more likely to have a better end result and you may get their help with marketing. And I’d be hard pressed to believe someone like Nikon or Canon wouldn’t jump on the opportunity considering the digital camera market continues to shrink.

  • DJyoSNOW

    I bought a note 3 and a digital camera (my 2¢)

  • pyro74boy .

    Yeah a super premium phone with a camera that sucks. LOL I was really hoping that the M8 was going to wow me but nope no such luck. However it does look like HTC has fixed the poor battery life issue that every HTC phone before the M8 had. Still want to do a side by side test vs the GS5 but for now until proven otherwise GS5 gets my money.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Every review calls the battery life stellar. Camera on the other hand…same camera.

      • pyro74boy .

        The Camera on the M7 was also a joke other then the fact that it toke very good pics in low light, I have also been reading reviews that proved that even the GS4’s camera was noticeable better vs the M8 and remember the GS5’s camera is a major improvement over the GS4.

        • LionStone

          I read the opposite…that initial reports found the S4 to be better than the S5. Probably have to wait until they do final tweaking on the S5.

          • pyro74boy .

            This is why the only true review I trust is my own because there’s always going to be people claiming everything and anything and is also why I did not rush out and buy the M8. I want to do a side by side test with both of these phones before pulling out my money.

          • LionStone

            Wasn’t just a claim, there were actual photo comparisons, but again, have to wait for final version.

          • pyro74boy .

            Android Central also did a photo comparison between the M8 vs the GS4 and the GS4 was the clear winner between the two and the GS5 camera is said to be a major improvement over the GS4 at least that’s what Samsung is trying to claim.

      • Cael

        except they took out the OIS D:

        • illregal

          Only matters on videos.. OIS isn’t at all necesary when shooting pics with such a fast shutter.

          • flosserelli

            Some people actually use their smartphone for taking videos. I plan to buy either the M7 or M8, and I have almost decided to go with the M7 and hope it gets Sense 6 soon.

          • LionStone

            But people shooting videos aren’t usually moving, the subject is moving.

      • LionStone

        It’s not the same camera, it is upgraded which is why it takes better pics than the M7 but it has the same MP count.

        • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

          It’s the same camera, that takes the same silly pics as the last camera minus OIS…

          • KingofPing

            From the comments around here you’d think DL was *the* spot to go to for professional photographers…and yet I bet I could count the number of folks complaining about the camera who’ve had the need to print anything larger than a 4×6 in the past year on one hand.

            Well, at least it’s amusing.

          • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

            I don’t care about printing, and I’m not a camera person. But First thing people do on phone pictures is zoom… And it’s pretty obvious that the camera isn’t the best. I don’t care either way, I’ll probably get an M8…but just stating the obvious.

          • KingofPing

            Eh…disagree on the zoom bit, but agree about not caring.

            The thing could come without a camera at all and I’d be fine with it. Never saw the point of taking pictures of every stupid little thing you see, eat, do….(yeah, I know I am in the minority on that one, sadly.)

          • LionStone

            I also disagree on the zoom bit…

          • Poison

            People just like having something to bitch about. That’s all. If the phone had a 41MP camera in it, they’d bitch about that too. find out what works for you then go for it. Nevermind what the company should have done, what they should have put in the phone. Too many people “know everything”. If everyone around here is so spot on with everything why aren’t they working for Samsung, LG, Motorola, HTC?

          • LionStone

            Lol, yep… +100

          • BOB Dudek

            I found out after the fact..That My 4 cyl. Malibu came with 148 hp..not the 745 that I wanted.

          • LionStone

            http://www.geek.com/review/review-htc-one-and-done-m8-1589686/3/
            “To be clear, the primary camera on the back of the HTC One M8 is not the exact same sensor as what you see on the back of its predecessor. Yes, it is also a 4.1MP Ultrapixel sensor, but the hardware has changed. It’s also coupled by entirely new imaging algorithms, including an Auto Mode that actually changes camera modes for whatever environment you put it in. For example if you are shooting something up close, you’ll find that the photo is identical to what you’d get if you put it in macro. You can actually see the camera choose which is the best mode if you point it at a horizon and wait a moment, but you can also tap a spot on the screen and have the camera focus incredibly quickly before taking a photo.”

          • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

            Oh god…stop

          • LionStone

            Hehe, you’re the one spewing misinformation

    • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

      The camera does not suck.

      • Cael

        I said the same thing about hookers. LMAO

      • pyro74boy .

        Yes it does and I have compared it to others. Even people who support the HTC One M8 have already admitted this. HTC failed on the camera because they rushed the phone to market to fast and in the long run this is going to hurt them real bad trust me on this.

        • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

          It’s all subjective. You have your opinion and I have mine. I will agree that the camera was disappointing. I hoped for more of an upgrade but the hate has gone too far. The camera doesn’t suck. The biggest mistake for HTC is giving people a lower spec to complain about which could affect sales. That being said, this phone was not rushed to market.

          • pyro74boy .

            Like it or not the camera on the M8 does indeed suck and it was a huge mistake on HTC,s part to try to sell this phone as a high-end device with a camera that is below mid range level. But like you said you have your opinion and I have mine so I agree to disagree with you as do many others as well because I have also been talking to some huge HTC supporters and even they admit how disappointed they where with the M8,s camera. And yes the M8 was rushed to market for the simple fact that they new that they only way this phone was going to sell the way they wanted it to was to be able to get this phone to market before the GS5 was available for anyone to buy. HTC also spent way to much time calling the HTC One the best phone and trying to slam Samsung and this may have cost HTC the came because the GS5 is still going to be the at the very least the best selling Android phone this year.

          • LionStone

            Any proof for HTC rushing to market? I have not heard that ‘rumor’.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            It’s not even some type of rumor. It’s just something this clown is saying. They spent 18 months working on the camera alone. I doubt anything was rushed. You don’t launch the day of announcement with no stock problems on something that is rushed. Additionally, I have not heard reports of software bugs like the typical samsung launch gets.

          • pyro74boy .

            I’m not a clown I’m pointing out something that you’re to dumb to understand. I don’t care how long a company works on any phone the potential for bugs on a brand new product will always exist regardless of who made it. You also have not done your homework because I know a few people who have already reported having camera issues with the brand new M8 having the App crash by just opening up the Camera app this was a software issue and not hardware. You’re just one more of many Samsung haters who does not have your facts straight.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            I would be more inclined to think you weren’t a clown if your replies were not chock full of spelling and grammar mistakes or if you did not argue like this were a life and death matter. You are making unsubstantiated claims about a phone being rushed. What is your basis for it being rushed? Is it that there is one part of the phone’s specifications that you are not a fan of? If so, I would reconsider my position.

            As far as new devices go, yes there will always be bugs. I will correct my previous statement by saying widespread problems. I would expect any phone to have problems. I only mentioned Samsung because I have seen more than 1 Samsung with widespread launch problems.

            With regards to Samsung, I am not a hater. I have owned and used every Samsung flagship Android device on Verizon since the Fascinate. They make good phones and usually have the best overall cameras. I’m not crazy about their hardware design. I have had to send in a few for repair. I have seen issues with radio performance on multiple models. You say I don’t have the facts but I’m talking about my experience with phones from personal use. You are making up things about the phone being rushed.

          • pyro74boy .

            I’m so sorry to not be a perfect speller such as yourself LOL don’t insult my intelligence based ONLY on the fact that we have a difference of opinion, And now you’re trying to judge me[SOMEONE WHO YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW BASED ONLY ON SPELLING ERRORS LOL] to try to get your stupid points across. WOW can I please shake your hand Mr PERFECT.LOL Like it or not I make valid points and it’s sure nice to know that you’re crying over this fact and that I hurt your feelings when you have to attack someone like me who has just as much right to his opinions as you or anyone else posting comments over the internet. Quit acting like a jerk and learn to respect other people who don’t have the same opinions as you. Before you open up that big mouth of yours again keep in mind that you started this nonsense by calling me a clone. For the record I have been using HTC smartphones long before I touched anything made by Samsung and I have had much better overall luck with Samsung. Both of the brand new high-end HTC phones I had failed on me in less then 6 months time and had to settle with a refurbished phone each end every single time and every single HTC I used had horrible battery life sometimes having to charge the battery 3 to 4 times per day I can go 3 days plus on heavy use on my Note 2 and have gone well over a week on light use before plugging it in the wall. I could never ever do that on any of my HTC phones. I never have had as many software issues on my Samsung phones vs HTC as well

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            1. I make no claims of perfection.
            2. I’m judging your comments in aggregate, not on spelling alone.
            3. Would your claim that the phone was rushed be an example of a valid point?
            4. I’m not crying nor are my feelings hurt.
            5. You are correct. You do have just as much of a right to your opinions as I do. However, claiming that a phone was rushed does not constitute an opinion if you were not actually involved in the process.
            6. My intent was not to act like a jerk. I did call you a clown. I’m sorry that your baseless claims of the phone being rushed made you look like a clown.
            7. You’ve had bad luck with HTC. I’ve had bad luck with Samsung. Okay. I never claimed that HTC consistently has less manufacturing problems than Samsung.
            8. So you’re saying the Note 2 with it’s larger battery got better battery life than HTC phones with a smaller battery? Okay, I will concede larger batteries last longer than smaller batteries. (I feel the need to point out that I am being tongue in cheek here. I will not deny that HTC has had a harder time optimizing batteries than other OEMs.However, I will also point out that the Note 3 had a drop in battery life.)
            9. Once again, we’ve had different experiences.

            Anyway, I’m done here. I don’t want to argue who is better than who, HTC vs. Samsung. They both make great devices with their own strengths and weaknesses.

          • pyro74boy .

            You lost any respect I may have had for you when you resulted to attacking me based on the fact that my opinion is different from yours. There’s no way around it you went about this the wrong way by trying to attack me to prove your points. This was a major sing of weakness on your part by trying to attack someone over the internet who you don’t even know. The correct response on your part should have been that you don’t agree with me but instead you resulted to calling me names and by doing this it only proves that you’re a very childish person who is also weak minded. Maybe I did word a few things wrong I will give you that but this still does not give you the right to attack me and name call. Everything I said was based on my very own opinion and I still feel that if HTC would have waited and not rushed the M8 to market that they might have had a better overall phone. Yes this is my opinion and not yours. About the ONLY THING that I agree with you about is the fact that every single smartphone manufacturer is going to have issues yes this includes both Samsung and HTC.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            If you think someone calling you a clown on the Internet is an attack, you should consider therapy. Your assertion that the phone was rushed with no knowledge of the situation is silly. Had you said they made the wrong choice with the camera instead of they rushed it, I would not have called you a clown. Clowns act silly. You made a silly statement. My calling you a clown has nothing to do with us having different opinions and if you look at my other comments, I did not call anyone else a clown.

            I will say this, I did make fun of your spelling and grammar and it was unnecessary.

          • pyro74boy .

            I never claimed to have any knowledge of the situation like I said before this has been my opinion from the very start and I did word things wrong but just because I worded things wrong does not mean that I was wrong in anything I talked about as far as me being able to have my own opinion. I still feel that the camera on the M8 sucks [THIS IS MY OPINION] and like it or not so do many others as well. We can argue this back and forth until we are both blue in the face but the fact still remains that in my opinion and the opinion’s of many other people HTC made a high-end phone with a poor quality camera and you can’t deny that HTC needs to work on this issue if they want to stay alive in the smartphone world. This was a huge fail on HTC’s part [ONCE AGAIN THIS IS MY OPINION] and really made me turn away from the M8 because if it wasn’t for the camera I might have given my money to HTC but I need a better camera because It’s going to be my main camera so I need a phone that has a camera that is much better at taking everyday photos and even though I know you won’t agree with me the M8 is not that phone as even the experts have been quoted saying this.

          • BOB Dudek

            I neber have to worry about speln’n.

            V. 33.0.1750.154 Google Chrome and Swift Key Beta got my back. :)

          • LionStone

            Yep everyone just loves kicking a company when they’re down it seems

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            Well, I can accept people saying they just can’t settle for the lower resolution but when people are saying things like the camera sucks, it’s just unbearable. It isn’t true and most of the people saying that have not actually used the phone. They just know the specs and make assumptions.

          • pyro74boy .

            Like it or not even huge supporters have said that the M8,s camera sucks and when someone like HTC is trying to sell the M8 as a high-end device with a bad camera that is what I call very miss leading. I can also make a very valid point that there is at least a few mid range phones that outperform the M8 in terms of overall camera performance. This is very sad because outside of the bad camera the M8 is a very good phone. Yes all of everything I just said is my opinion but a valid point at the same time.

          • pyro74boy .

            This is my opinion not a rumor of any kind and if you think about this it makes a lot of sense. I think I can make a valid argument that products that are not rushed to market have a much better chance to have all the potential bugs worked out of both the hardware and software making for a much better end result. HTC had to come out with the One before the GS5 to try to stay ahead of them and so if this is not rushing something to market then please tell me what is?

          • LionStone

            That’s what I thought, not a fact, just people spewing more misinformation.

          • pyro74boy .

            I never once was trying to claim this as a fact so what’s your point?. I do have a very valid argument and time will prove my point. Look at how long it’s been since the S5 announcement it’s been well over a month do you think that Samsung is just sitting around waiting for April 11th? no they are working out all the bugs so they can bring a better overall user experience to the market and make people want to choose the GS5 over the M8. So think about that when you claim that I’m giving out misinformation. Smart people like me are going to wait until the GS5 comes out then compare it along side the HTC One M8 and then buy the real true winner. This is not misinformation this is something called smart buying decisions.

          • LionStone

            You said, “And yes the M8 was rushed to market for the simple fact that they new that the only way this phone was going to sell the way they wanted it to was to be able to get this phone to market before the GS5 was available for anyone to buy.”

            When you say something is fact, you should be able to back it up, don’t get all bent.

          • pyro74boy .

            For the simple fact does not mean that I was trying to quote any source and please quote me saying that this was a fact an anything I said? By saying simple fact and trying to claim something as a fact our not at all the same thing. You can’t try to use this against me because I was not quoting any source other then myself so really Just because you don’t understand what I meant is not my issue but it sure is yours. If I was going to claim anything as an actual fact then I would have posted a link on that same post. Nice try but you still failed.

          • LionStone

            Sorry, but when you say something is a fact without base, we will call you out, every time.

          • pyro74boy .

            What are you calling me out on? I already even said that this was not a fact and my opinion. I’m calling you out on the fact that you can’t tell the difference between someone claiming something as a fact and an opinion. Sorry but like it or not it’s not my issue that you did not understand what I meant when I said something. LOL

  • Tony Byatt

    1.2% of people have been seriously duped…

    smh…

  • NickA

    I think the staggered rollout hurt them, and the Verizon in-store exclusive hurt them somewhat too. Why not just go for it all at once? Release to everyone, everywhere at the same time, or as much as possible. You kind of lose that excitement having to wait a couple weeks to get your hands on the phone. You end up losing those impulse buyers. Not too mention the S5 is lurking right around the corner. Gives people time to pause and think.

    • PoisonApple31

      The Verizon exclusive gave HTC money! Easy money!

      • MistaButters

        Let’s ask Moto how much Verizon exclusivity helped them….

        (Easy money isn’t always the best money)

        • PoisonApple31

          It helped Moto in the short term, financially. That’s all its meant to do.

          • MistaButters

            They didn’t need short term help. They had plenty of cash on hand and no debt. And it hurt them severely in the long term.

          • PoisonApple31

            You do realize some of those RAZRs were on other carriers right, not just Verizon? Other than the difference in bloat, it was the same device. Those first two years with the RAZRs were eh!

          • MistaButters

            None of the RAZRs (besides the flip phone) were available on any other carriers in the US. Only internationally. AT&T got the Atrix lineup, which, besides the original, were always WAY behind everything else on the market, including the Droid lineup. Sprint got the Photo Q, which was similar to the Droid 4, but it arrived 6 months after the D4, and the D4 was an under-spec’d failure from the start.

          • PoisonApple31
          • MistaButters

            Cellcom? Seriously? Big whoop.

          • PoisonApple31

            Its just showing that your first statement is wrong.

          • MistaButters

            None of the RAZRs were on any major carrier in the US that really mattered besides Verizon.

            better?

          • Cael

            All of that was under the OLD Motorola which was failing at life.

          • frhow

            No the Droid Razrs were a Verizon exclusive. The DROID brand is a Verizon exclusive.

          • PoisonApple31

            You are correct that “DROID” brand is exclusive, but the actually phone itself was also on Cellcom – without the DROID name.

          • PoisonApple31

            You are right, the DROID brand is a Verizon exclusive. The RAZR MAXX phone was not exclusive to Verizon, it was also available on Cellcom (maybe other regional carriers too?).

        • Cael

          Extra money can slow the bleeding of a company. If it wasn’t for Verizon’s exclusivity, Motorola probably would have been out of business.

          • MistaButters

            Motorola had a couple billion of cash on hand, no debts, and, at that time, a profitable Home business. They could have bleed for a long time without taking exclusivity deals. And they probably would have been in a better position for it.

          • Cael

            Proof?

          • MistaButters

            Proof of which? There are articles all over the place that say Moto had $3 billion cash on hand and no debt when Google made the purchase. Or, if you don’t believe all those articles, look up their financial information. They were a public company remember?

            They were bleeding, but $3 billion would last quite a long time.

            http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/motorola-mobility-announces-first-quarter-financial-results-149717745.html

          • Cael

            $3 billion would not last a long time when they kept releasing models 3 months after they already released a phone.
            Bionic > Razr. Remember that? NEVER FORGET.

          • MistaButters

            Lol. I won’t forget either, but even with that $3billion would last a while.

        • WickedToby741

          Except this isn’t Verizon exclusivity, it’s Verizon in-store exclusivity for a short period of time.

          • MistaButters

            I know that. I was just commenting that even minor exclusive deals for a little bit of money have traditionally not been in the best long term interest.

    • WickedToby741

      It’s probably more logistics than anything. HTC doesn’t have the scale and flexibility Samsung does, so to avoid logistical headaches you stagger the launch. And if a major carrier throws money your way for a time based exclusivity (which is only in-store might I add), even better.

    • LionStone

      Volume is another thing, if they don’t have the volume, it needs to be staggered. Much better than the M7 launch so at least there’s improvement.

  • Finire

    I’ve got what may be the most brilliant idea… Replace the camera!

    • http://www.standupforkids.org blackroseMD1

      Have you actually used it, or are you just bandwagon complaining? The camera is more than fine for a cell phone camera. If you want to take pro shots, use a camera, not a cell phone.

      • Finire

        I can honestly say I haven’t used it, but at the same time, I also know that I don’t want pictures with such a small resolution. I like snapping photo’s from my phone while I’m out on a hike, or just happen across something nifty. Or say if I’m at the scene of an accident and need to snap a couple of shots for someone and email them off, I’d like the insurance company to be able to get some better detail out of them.

        • illregal

          Um.. Go try it. You’d be surprised.

        • shooter50

          You base your phone buying decisions on the fact that you may come upon an accident and need super high resolution photos? I think Nokia should use this in their next promotion.

          • Chris Hannan

            That was one example. If you’re going to be a smart-ass, at least be smart about it.

        • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

          I agree the higher the res the better, however that does not mean the M8 camera us unusable. IF I could get the same pic at a higher res great, but in my usage it takes better photos than some devices with a higher res. What more important, a photo worth keeping or a photo that is high res?

        • http://www.standupforkids.org blackroseMD1

          I’d recommend going into a store and actually snapping a couple photos. The detail is perfectly fine.

        • LionStone

          Lol… Needs better camera for the insurance company lol!

        • sevad19

          Like Maybe when there is not a lot of light, or maybe in shadows, or maybe at night time. All of those mp’s won’t make a bit of difference in those situations…try the HTC ultra pixels in those situations… and see the difference. Did a light bulb just go if in your head? It should have because in low light situations(most shots you take on a smartphone)the HTC RULES DUE TO A LARGER APERTURE! nough said. If you don’t understand then do your research. Thanks

      • The Narrator

        No excuse. When the G2 and 1020 take amazing pictures, other companies should follow

        • illregal

          The original One blows the G2 out of the water.. And the M8 only dominates it further. Go on xda, quite a few One owners are coming from the G2.

          • The Narrator

            lolwut

            Try zooming in then come back

          • illregal

            Go check out the photos thread on XDA for the M8.. quite a few are coming from the G2, and every single one of them has said the camera on the One is better. Then check out the photos.. Some of which are pretty impressive.

          • Cael

            Of course they’ll look better when you blur the crap out of a picture.

          • illregal

            Not sure what you’re talking about.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            You don’t have to do that and they look better when you don’t too.

          • LionStone

            Get closer :-D

        • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

          The G2 taking higher resolution pics does not make it superior. Based on my use with both, I get more pics that I want to keep with the M8 than I do with the G2.

          • The Narrator

            Never said that. The software, OIS, etc make it a far superior camera than anybody else. It’s been proven many times. The M7/8 are only good in lowlight and if you don’t plan on zooming in.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            I’ve used both and prefer the M8.

          • Mike Aurin

            Liar.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            About using both? Preferring the M8? Why would I lie?

        • Jeff Miller

          G2 camera could take great pics, but the shutter was super slow. Having a 2 year old, I was quickly turned off of the camera. M8 takes pretty good pics, I do believe most are riding the bandwagon. And guess what, Im speaking from someone that actually owns the M8. Imagine that.

          • Cael

            They improved it with Kit Kat. Have you not gotten it yet?

          • Jeff Miller

            Moved on man, sick of waiting for KK on VZW. Not too mention the G2 was a pain to develop for.

          • The Narrator

            Shutter was slow? Mines instantly.

          • Jeff Miller

            The M8 is instant. The G2 is not instant. Been on every ROM, CM and stock….not instant.

          • The Narrator

            Most likely faulty device. Mines instant.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            I’m with you. It was a nightmare trying to take pics of my son at 6 months when i had the g2.

        • LionStone

          All mobile cameras have limitations. Where’s their kick ass audio?

          • Cael

            Nobody cares that much about front facing speakers. Please play your front facing speakers on an airplane and see how many people tell you to plug in some headphones.

          • illregal

            I’m usually at my house, or work.. More often then on an airplane. Maybe that’s just me.. And besides that, the One also has a better DAC then any other mobile phone. So.. Your headphones are also going to sound superior on the One.

          • LionStone

            Like we’re always riding airplanes lol…besides don’t ignore the fact that ALL mobile cameras have limitations. Plenty of people like having good sound from their phone. I use speakerphone all the time, I work in noisy places sometimes, better audio is a plus and none better than BoomSound.

          • Unimatrix1986

            It’s not just about the amazing front speakers it’s also about the great audio you get on headphones.

      • RaptorOO7

        I used last years version and its sucked then so I can’t see it being any better with the extra lens that adds no extra resolution or enhancements. Depth of field is not a big deal, quality photo’s are.

        • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

          The depth of field allows for the device to snap photos super fast. It is more than a gimmick.

          • Cael

            It is not more than a gimmick. It’s the BIGGEST gimmick. They put that there to keep pushing Ultrapixels. They need to stop trying to make ultrapixels happen. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            The second lens is worth it for the increase in snap speed alone. I barely care about the effects.

          • Cael

            Well everyone cares about the main lens which sucks.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            The main lens does not suck. Yes it’s low res. There’s more to the camera than res. I find that I prefer the pics that I am getting from the M8 to the ones I got with the G2. Would I prefer the same image to be higher res, yes? It’s still very good though.

          • sevad19

            Well last I heard the”selfies” is all the hype right now. Seems to me that the HTC M8 has the best canera for selfies. So what now? Most people use their camera only on special occasions unless they are taking a selfie. 5mp selfie camera is easily more than the competition is offering. You win some then you lose some eeh…oh well. This could go on forever! Lol

          • LionStone

            300ms focus time! Boom!

          • LionStone

            Dan says it best…

            “We Mock What We Don’t Understand”: http://youtu.be/_ePTZezN_Iw

          • Chris Hannan

            Up vote for you, Cael. You go Cael.

          • http://profiles.google.com/gallimichael Michael G. Galli

            So, its been happening for over a year, wouldn’t that mean its happening?

          • jb

            In a regular camera, a narrow depth of field (everything blurry but the subject), the increased speed of the shutter is related but in HTC’s case with the M8, it’s not as the bokeh (blurriness) is artificial.

          • http://blake.pm Blake Mitchell

            I don’t know for sure. I’m pretty sure that is what HTC said.

      • K

        When there are other smartphones that take better pictures, the get a real camera argument doesn’t work. Not everyone has the money to buy a separate camera so for most their smartphone camera is all they have.

      • WickedToby741

        The point isn’t that it’s a perfectly usable smartphone camera, the point is that when there are much better alternatives on direct competitors and when last year’s UltraPixel camera for the most part was critically panned compared to the competition then, why did HTC miss the mark by so much this year? They had every indication that a repeat of last year wasn’t going to cut it and modern sensor technology is advanced enough that you can use a single, higher pixel sensor and achieve the same depth post processing results (see Sony and Samsung) that HTC felt two sensors were needed for. The point isn’t that it’s a suitable camera, the point is that nearly everyone else in the industry is doing imaging better than HTC.

        • http://www.standupforkids.org blackroseMD1

          Actually, that’s exactly the point. He’s complaining that it’s not a good camera and needs to be replaced when, in fact, it’s a perfectly usable camera that takes fine pictures. If he’s that concerned with picture quality, then the “get a camera” argument is definitely valid…or he can go get a 41 MP Lumia.

          • Chris Hannan

            No, it still isn’t. Because some people either can’t afford a separate camera or don’t want to carry around a second device. Some people like everything about the M8 but the camera is a deal-breaker.

          • jb

            Those people aren’t a large enough group to keep this device from being a success. IMO, HTC is reaping what they’ve sown (*cough* Thunderbolt *cough* rezound *cough* every other crappy device they’ve screwed their customers over with)

          • Chris Hannan

            Nobody was talking about how much of a success this will be. But this is only hurting their reputation even more.

          • jb

            That’s what the entire article was about. The comment that started this particular thread of comments was “replace the camera” which was a response to the question “who here has an idea that can save them?”

          • Stone Cold

            There is nothing that can save them from themselves the company is it’s own worst enemy.

          • BenG

            I think the average person who walks into their respective wireless store are a lot less likely to buy when they see a 4mp camera, everyone and their mom knows what that means but they don’t know the difference between processors, UIs, camera software, ect. average person I think would be turned off when the see other phones with 16mp sensors.

          • LionStone

            So they don’t know what processors are or UI but they know MP?, hmm. I guess with that logic the average person will get turned off when they don’t see dual front speakers on the other devices or premium build materials?

          • BenG

            I’m just saying if my Mom walked into a store and saw one phone with a 4mp camera and another with 16 she would immediately assume the 16mp camera is a lot better, on the other hand if one phone said it had sense 6.0 with a 801 snapdragon processor and another had Motorola touchless controls and a snapdragon s4 pro that would mean absolutely nothing to her. Yes it’s a good looking device and those speakers are legit but it is also huge. I live in the heart of Iphone country where almost everyone under 30 has one and I know one person who has a HTC One (M7) and everybody tells him they like how it looks but it is way too big and the M8 is even bigger so I think it could have a tough time selling to people outside of the Android community.

          • BenG

            Just as a disclaimer if it wasn’t for that black bar I’d be all over this phone but that thing just kills it for me personally. The above is mostly talking about people who don’t read and comment about phones on the reg, the people who just say my contract is up and randomly on a tuesday walk to their VZW store with no prior knowledge and buy a phone.

          • LionStone

            Yea I hear ya. But you know one point that will be made after the camera comparison, that we can reasonably expect, is that the S5 only has one small speaker on the back. Then screen difference… But for sure, if someone’s main deal is form factor, then the S5 will get the sale most likely. Then again my niece said that it was and liked how she could just put her iphone in her back pocket…and now she has an M7.

          • FknTwizted

            Tell the girls they need a new man… my wife uses a note 2 cause she is used to having Big Things in her hands. And just like anything else you will get used to the size! =0)

          • Kim

            Always. At least HTC UI is more fun than TouchWiz. That’s marketable towards iPhone users.

          • rokmor

            I think the point he’s making is that they have an idea of what megapixels are, and for the most part feel that they can make a direct comparison – 4 mp v. 16 mp. Problem solved…

          • FknTwizted

            that’s my biggest gripe with other competitors is the why the hell is the speakers on the back and not on the front I hate the “cupping” to get the sound to the front. This feature is getting stale and HTC really needs to hammer that and the design of their phones ie the aluminum casing. As a consumer I think those are more important and forward thinking than a ok camera.

          • LionStone

            Yea agree with that, they need to hammer that point of difference with the sound and with the front facing camera, since selfies are so popular now and Sammy trying to capitalize on that too.

          • sevad19

            The problem is that the general public are just a bunch of mindless sheep following what a handful of misfits are saying. Not everyone has enough sense to make up their own mind about what it’s acceptable, to them, they just follow the beaten path. Poor souls. One day maybe they will make their own decisions based on what they prefer over what someone else is telling them to prefer. In the meantime,the ones that can actually think for themself will reap wondrous rewards and sport a super smartphone! I have enjoyed my HTC phone since the original Evo and have been a very satisfied customer. The camera is just that, a smartphone camera. This is not rocket science…just a camera so all of you idiots hounding on the 4 ultra pixels get over it. We really don’t care about your OPINION. Especially if you don’t own the unit and are just jumping on the bash HTC bandwagon cause you have no life! Either but the phone or shut up.

          • Sean Cook

            It is an on the fly camera. That is it. They do make that smartphone with 41 mp. That should be what everyone buys of the camera matters that much

          • Kim

            It’s UP not MP….I explain that to customers all the time. I have a 13MP G2 and the photo quality isn’t great. My HTC One photos and videos are much better.

          • Jscott

            I traded my 5s for this phone knowing full well that it had fewer mp. Couldn’t careless. The majority of my picture taking is for texts or social media. I do have a nice digital camera should I want some higher quality pictures when I go to a party or concert. I much prefer the way this phone runs over the iPhone. I was an avid apple junkie for a while and since the switch I am much happier. It’s faster, smoother, etc..

          • airstripes

            I thnk i will get a 41 mp camera by Nokia. The best camera is the one you have with you and if that is a 4mp camera that’s pretty poor. I would like to capture those unplanned moments. When with something I could zoom in on and still see cleanly!

          • sevad19

            Then you can start your own billboard company because that is about all that 41 mp camera is good for! Lmao

      • Rob Schoenfeld

        Need more mega pixels. You don’t need 13, 16, 20 or 40, but 4 is on the lo-res side. 8 with the same “ultra-pixel” implementation would be outstanding..

    • frhow

      I totally agree. While the camera takes good pics, there are other phones that take much better pics. I have the original One and to be honest you cannot zoom in without getting nothing but a pixelated picture. It does truly suck unless youre just uploading it to Fb or IG.

    • KingofPing

      This is getting so old…

      90% of the users out there posting their pics to FB don’t need anything more than decade-old tech and an easy-to-use interface.

      I could probably count the number of people on this site who need to print anything larger than 4×6 and who do not have access to a “real” camera on one hand. (watch the guest accounts pop up yelling about how often they print their photos and blow them up to poster sizes…)

      If they at least have gotten rid of the purple hue of death issue once and for all, this will be a great Camera for social media and basic smartphone use.

  • evilfatcow

    How about a usable camera and getting rid of that HTC bar? Also, they need either funny or cinematic commercials. Samsung has those slightly corny commercials, even the Moto X had funny ones promoting touchless controls. Apple released an amazing one with the iPad that was like a minute long. I’m not saying it has to be a minute, but that commercial resonated and stuck. HTC needs something like that if they’re promoting premium and elegant devices.

  • Paul

    Never go full retail.

  • hc792

    Um, so why would you think the numbers will pick up exactly? Or are you just hoping they will?

    • Cael

      They’re not in store for the other 3 carriers…but I don’t think it’ll matter much when the S5 is released.

      • Jeremiah Hawkins

        Yeah. They should have released it everywhere same day as Verizon. The S5 might put the last nail in the coffin and the iPhone will finish it off (popularity). IN all honesty, the S5 might actually be the better device. HTC needs more marketing too, haven’t seen one ad on TV or YouTube yet…

        • Cael

          I think LG is going to be the shock that ultimately kills it. I don’t think LG will take kindly to the gestures they took and improved.

          • Jeremiah Hawkins

            True, not as much with the gestures though. The G2 was my device of 2013, cause it was a Nexus on Steroids. The G3 seems like it could put LG on top of the market just like Samsung did from the Galaxy S to the S2. They need marketing.

          • Cael

            Well the G2 is the main reason they’re #3 in America now so they’re doing something right.

          • illregal

            The gestures that LG took?? Which have been available on any android with a supported kernel for years? Or just the double tap to wake.. Which was being used on nokias for years prior as well? hrm. Can’t be mad when something that was taken, got used again.

          • Cael

            LOL, it doesn’t matter who copied who. It matters that LG was advertising double tap to wake as a big feature and now someone else is doing the same. So now LG has to show them up. Just like how Samsung has to show up LG and HTC on their next flip covers.

            Just like if another company took “ultrapixels” and showed up HTC. HTC better do better.

          • LionStone

            LG got owned lol

    • K

      It probably won’t pick up much. The M7 had a chance to win over a lot of consumers last year but it didn’t. Even with its amazing looking build. Now with the M8, it’s still a great looking phone but I doubt it will win over a lot of consumers. Marketing plays a big role and with the small amount HTC sets aside for marketing (relative to other companies) they just don’t have a solid marketing plan. Blah, blah, blah just won’t cut it.

  • Cael

    I’m so proud of the Incredible models. *tear* You be #2 on that list even though you deserve #1 but HTC did you so wrong! Kudos, to the DNA…was looking at buying one but it costs too much for a phone thats 2 years old with only 16 GB of storage.

    • M3D1T8R

      DNA is not even a year and a half old. It’s my phone since last June and it’s great, besides the 16GB, but that’s largely remedied with my Meenova adapter (https://shopmeenova.appspot.com/st/order.html) and 64GB micro SD. Will be rooting soon. I agree about the original Incredible, still my all time favorite. My wife still uses mine as a WiFi device. The thing is just about four years old now!

  • T4rd

    iPhone 6 in a couple months..? Shouldn’t that be like in September?

    • Cael

      Rumors are saying the supposed 4.7 inch model would be released earlier with the 5.5 inch phablet being released in September. *rolls eyes*

      • PoisonApple31

        And when its 4 inch screen again the joke is on???

        • Cael

          Probably but who knows. Apple has been sticking its foot in its mouth lately.

      • K

        Rumors point to the 5.5inch coming out next year due to production issues with the screen.

    • pyro74boy .

      Apple is losing tons of money to phones running the Android O.S so I wound not be one bit surprised if the next iphone6 or whatever it’s going to be called comes out early this year.

      • alex

        Hahahaha, losing tons of money. Apple pulls in something like 70% of the profits in the mobile industry. Criticize them all you want for many other things, but you can’t seriously say that they are losing tons of money. Lol.

        • pyro74boy .

          Yes I sure can because all you have to do is look at worldwide smartphone market share and you will see for yourself that it’s the Android O.S that is the standard in the smartphone space. Also when you add in the fact that many people are buying an Android based phone over an iphone that each and every time they do this like it or not they are losing money. Do you think Apple is claiming patent infringement for the hell of it? NO this is just an excuses for the fact that they are crying over this fact of life. The new iphone6 or whatever it’s going to be called might be coming out early this year and Apple is trying to ban many different Android handsets and why do you think this is? If Apple spent more time improving their products and less time trying to sue everyone and their mom they might make a phone that is truly worth buying. The way I look at this is that if I want a cool new phone with new features I buy a phone running Android and if I want to wait a few years for Apple to copy something then I would buy an iphone. You can deny all of this all you want but my points are true. No go check your Apple stock again,LOL

  • Brandon Lang

    How about ads that focus on the device/awesome features and not cryptic messages from Gary Oldman? Or those really annoying web ads? Take a page from Samsung and Apple; the S5 and 5s are there front and center. Dumb them down for the masses!

  • guest

    Why do you care so much about HTC’s sales figures? It seems like you are rooting for a certain company?

    • http://www.droid-life.com/ Tim-o-tato

      You must not watch the DL Show. :)

      • guest

        You are correct. I don’t. What do they talk about in that show?

        • PoisonApple31

          Gangsta Rap

        • Sean Walton

          Justin Beiber.

        • http://www.droid-life.com/ Tim-o-tato

          Well, it’s kind of funny. I brought up HTC and Samsung, and for the longest time, everyone has called me a Samsung fanboy, but I don’t actually choose sides. I’ve always been about the best mobile experience I can have. HTC doesn’t really provide that for me, and I’ve found that Samsung has a better track record of doing so. Anyways, lately, HTC has been really grinding my gears. I wanted the M8 to be the phone that proved the folks wrong, and that HTC could survive solely on creating an awesome device. However, the M8 is great, but has a few major flaws. So I bashed them for it on this week’s show. Kellen did the same in a post earlier this week I think. Anyways, I am paid by no companies, and the only thing I’m concerned about is finding the best phones out there. I don’t care which companies succeed and which ones fail. It’s not my problem. This answer took a long time. Sorry.

          • LionStone

            It’s ‘anyway’ brother, just ‘anyway’ ;-)

          • http://www.droid-life.com/ Tim-o-tato

            Does it matter in a comment on Disqus? Come on. Anyways, I stand by my initial comment. ;)

          • LionStone

            Not really, I rarely will correct anyone in comments, but we have to read your articles so for future reference is all :-)