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HTC, You are Guilty of Gimmicks Just as Much as Samsung is, Maybe Even Worse

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HTC cracks me up. Because they are fighting for their lives, they’ll say anything at this point to try and win you over. Whether that’s by claiming to reinvent the smartphone or by attempting to re-create the camera with the “UltraPixel” or calling out Samsung for pushing out a couple of gimmicks instead of innovating , they want to be loud and in-your-face. Let’s be clear though – there isn’t anything wrong with a little trash talking, but if we’re being brutally honest here, HTC is guilty of just as many gimmicks as Samsung. And that includes their new HTC One (M8), which may contain the mother of all gimmicks. 

For reference, during HTC’s unveiling of the One (M8) last week, their president of Americas (Jason Mackenzie) stood on stage all broseph’d up, and told us all how they aren’t into just adding a few dimples to the back of a phone, tossing in a software gimmick here or there, or blasting out the word with billions of dollars through marketing channels.

Here is the exact quote:

“…so much better than just launching another plastic phone, throwin’ a few dimples in the back, maybe a software gimmick or two and then masking it all with expensive advertising. That’s not HTC’s style. We’re about delivering innovation and putting the world’s best innovation, the best crafted design, the maximum value to our customers’ hands.”

No, instead they are about tossing in a few rounded corners to last year’s design, slashing features from their same panned 4MP camera technology in favor of a couple of software gimmicks, and then hiring celebrities that tell you to “ask the internet.” Spin it however you want, HTC, you did the exact same thing that Samsung just did, maybe even worse. I’d argue that the camera in the new HTC One (M8) is a bigger gimmick than anything Samsung did. I say that because things like Samsung’s heart rate monitor are indeed gimmicks, except they aren’t gimmicks that could potential ruin a major feature in your phone (the camera). What HTC has done to the camera on the One (M8) could potentially do that for many users.

At 4MP (or “UltraPixel if we’re being fancy), HTC gave us a camera that takes photos with a resolution smaller than the resolution on a 15-inch Macbook Pro with retina display. It’s also just barely bigger than the resolution on my iMac. In other words, good luck cropping, editing, zooming, or displaying your photos anywhere outside of Instagram or Facebook or your phone. Even photographers who received the device earlier than anyone had a problem with it.

Beyond the low resolution, HTC also took away optical image stabilization (OIS) in favor of a 2nd camera sensor that is used for depth and creating 3D-like images. First of all, killing OIS instantly affects low-light shots and video steadiness. Are those two areas you would be willing to see a decline in? Second, those two were gimped so that you could re-focus photos after the fact to add bokeh (UFocus) or a wobblying 3D-thing (3D Dimension). The UFocus feature is implemented horribly, but is also something that Samsung and Sony have accomplished as well (if not better) with a single camera that also isn’t at a horrifyingly low 4MP resolution. The 3D Dimension feature should probably never be used by anyone. It doesn’t offer a 3D effect, it just blurs and distorts whatever image you are looking at. It’s terrible.

In the end, what I’m trying to say is that everyone is doing gimmicks because innovation has slowed. But if you are going to do gimmicks, at least make sure your gimmicks aren’t killing off features or offering a sub-standard experience. While the HTC One (M8) is designed and crafted beautifully, there is one major gimmick that could ultimately be its downfall.

I believe the saying goes, “The best camera is the one that’s with you.” I’d only add, “Unless that camera is a gimmick.”

  • TK

    The 41 mp camera on the Nokia 1020 is not a “gimmick”. It enables lossless zoom without the bulk of optical zoom. I think a lot of people would regard zooming in and recropping as much more valuable than “refocusing”. And I totally agree with the OP. HTC have stuffed up big time. 4 mp and no OIS will not cut it against the competition. I should know, because I loved all the specs plus the look and feel of the M8, and on top of it all ,that fantastic dot matrix case, and was about to buy it-but the lesser camera with no OIS was a deal breaker. The same deal breaker as in the Galaxy S5. I am not paying that much money for any top end phone without OIS. I regard this is an indispensable feature. But at least it’s 16 mp, not a crappy 4 mp. The OP is spot on.

  • Zayd

    Happily ditched my M7 for a Nexus 5 for this reason

  • Rory

    HTC can suck it! They are the new Palm.

  • MaroonR

    Sorry, but no. The M8’s camera isn’t the gold standard by any stretch, but that doesn’t make the whole phone gimmicky. You can have your opinion, but don’t go off telling everyone how gimmicky the new HTC flagship is when you’re really just butt-hurt over one feature that didn’t quite measure up to some perfect phone fantasy you may entertain. Gimmicky is a UI that all but erases the core android features. Gimmicky is sticking with a cheap plastic design year after year when the consumer base demands metallic materials. Gimmicky is preloading the phone with 9 GB worth of un-removable, sdk-less software on a 16GB phone, then expecting consumers to cough up more money for the sd card you manufacture. But if you’re willing to trade that for a camera experience that still isn’t the best (see: Nokia 1020), be my guest.

  • Abhijeet Mishra

    Well said, had the same feelings. What HTC doesn’t understand is that dimples on the S5 actually make it feel brilliant to hold in the hand. Plus the camera is much better as well. HTC really disappointed me by focusing mostly on gimmicks themselves. “Do three sets of sit ups to launch camera” – the gestures are useful, but even those aren’t exactly something most people will use, same for the camera effects.

  • lonestaroc

    Still much rather this over the scamsung bandaid

  • Richard Yarrell

    Samsung rules android period. Htc is a farce

    • lonestaroc

      troll much

    • Josh Hirner

      thanks for your input … even though it was pointless and added nothing to anyone’s lives

  • Jason Melling

    It’s not a camera, it’s a phone. Get over yourselves people.

    • Matthew Rebmann

      There are phones out there that take outstanding photos for a phone already. Why is it unrealistic to want other phones to even come close? If they don’t try things never get better/innovation never happens. Get over yourself.

  • max

    im gonna go head and ask you to get off samsungs d****

  • illregal

    OIS is only useful in video’s on a device such as this.. The shutter speeds are so fast, it literally has no bearing on pictures. And I’ve maybe taken one video with my phone in the last year. And I wasn’t jumping around, and I dont walk like a horse.. So.
    Also to say the One is the same this year.. without acknowledging that its actually over 90% aluminum, something no other company can come close to claiming is a little absurd. The whole device is completely different “broseph” Quit your day job.

    • M_F

      OIS is useful for lowlight pictures to keep your hand steady. There is no way you can utilize a fast shutter in lowlight conditions or even in moderate lighting indoor.

      • illregal

        Wow really, so ois makes my hands stay steady. Wow. revolutionary. How does it do that, is there a gyro sensor and series of weights that instantly reacts to my hands movement to counteract them and keep it still. Gosh, I guess we just need to give michael j fox a phone with OIS and all his problems are solved huh.

        • M_F

          Sorry for not wording this properly, I meant to say that OIS helps keep the camera steady. I hope you are not upset that your point has been refuted and you are just looking for a diversion?

          • illregal

            Refute all you want, its the internet.. fair game. But I’m right. soooo SUCK IT!

          • M_F

            There’s an “EDIT” button, you might want to rectify the part that says OIS has no bearing as “the shutter speeds are so fast” as it really betrays your lack of knowledge in photography… just friendly advice here…

          • illregal

            My old canon sd1000 with no ois has never blurred an image. Ever. Because its shutter speed was so fast.
            My canon t1i, olympus pen pl1, sony tx200v, qx10, etc. All blur images because they take to long. I may not be a self proclaimed photography expert like all the others on the internet. But I’ve had pictures published in calendars, so I’ve got that goin for me… but hey, total noob amiright.

          • M_F

            What is the shutter speed that you consider to be fast enough?

          • M_F

            Hello Mrs “I have pictures published in calendar”. Mind sharing that special shutter speed that is fast enough to not blur an image?

      • LionStone

        Yes you can if you have a large aperture opening, which the M8 in fact does have.

        • M_F

          Dude aperture of f2.0 vs f2.2, do you even know how much is the difference? Yes, 20% only. How much quicker can your shutter be to avoid motion blur?

  • tom riddle

    htc will start telling everyone a camera update is coming in a few weeks…..then months….then TBD…..then the m9 will come out and you won’t hear a sound about the m8 again.

  • jimbob

    Totally agree with everything stated. I have an S4 and only use some of the sammy features, but I also have some amazing photos taken with the camera. We have a 9 month old and have actually printed some 8×10 pictures taken with my and/or my wife’s S4 (also have a DLSR, but phone is always on me).

    And really, if HTC wasn’t just throwing around random insults, the point would be moot. The M8 seems like a very nice phone, and its fine that they went the way they did with the camera because options for consumers is a good thing. We don’t need 10 flagship phones that are identical. But, if you are going to rip the competition for things you call “gimmicks”, be prepared to get ripped right back. And I agree that I would rather have a heart rate monitor, motion/eye/screen settings, or a fingerprint scanner that I never use instead of a camera that doesn’t work as well.

    • 213ninja

      me too.

  • Tony Woolstencroft

    I’ve had a Lumia 1020 and a 1520. Good cameras, very fiddly interface and it takes a ludicrous amount of time to launch and save between shots. Personally I love the M8’s camera. I was taking shots into the setting sun this weekend side by side with an iPhone 5S and a Moto X. All they picked up was a black silhouette of the subject person and the M8 caught every detail. I don’t need to zoom in to look at tiny details on my smartphone photos. Like most people, if I can look at the full frame on an HD TV and it looks good, I’m happy. In the few days I’be been using my M8 I’ve caught some really great shots of kids and pets that I wouldn’t even have attempted with either Nokia because I’d have missed the shot. I think HTC have done a fantastic job with this phone. Don’t knock it just on specs. Try it first.

    • M_F

      Have you tried the Nokia Smart Camera? It’s basically an enhanced, high resolution burst mode which can help you capture that special moment. Each of the 10 consecutive images captured will have higher image quality compared to a standard shot taken with the M8.

      • Tony Woolstencroft

        Yes, I have. My 2 Lumias are the slowest smartphone cameras I’ve ever used with the exception of the Sony Xperia Z1 which took ages to launch but was okay afterwards. The M8 is the fastest and most consistent smartphone camera I’ve ever used (and as I have a serious tech addiction I’ve used pretty much all of them). I’m extremely happy with my M8 photos while I was extremely disappointed in the Lumias.

        • M_F

          You didn’t answer my question. I was asking you about the Smart Camera which takes 10 photos consecutively where each image has higher quality than single one from M8.

          • Tony Woolstencroft

            Yes I have. It’s still the slowest camera around. I’m not disputing the quality, but if as they say, the best camera is the one you have with you, I have a lot more confidence in catching a shot with the M8 than a Lumia. Fine for landscapes etc but to grab a shot of something happening quickly the Lumia is hopelessly inadequate.

          • M_F

            Only at startup. If you have the camera loaded already (or even at idle) and the Smart Cam is pretty fast (less than 1 sec per shot for the 1020). Not the fastest in town, but you will get the shot and with the outstanding image quality.

        • M_F

          The only thing that can be said about the M8 is the capturing speed. It is great that you are enjoying the pictures from it, but if that is the level of your expectations from a camera then you would have equally enjoyed pictures from any other major competitors (Samsung, Sony, Nokia, etc).

          • Tony Woolstencroft

            I think you need to accept that not everyone is going to bow to your opinion of the Lumia 1020. Plus I didn’t buy the M8 purely for the camera. These things are called smartphones for a reason. There are lots of things the M8 does better than the 1020 but I’m not going to get into an argument over which OS is better. At the end of the day it comes down to personal preference. I’m perfectly happy with the camera performance on my M8. You prefer the Lumia. Fine. Doesn’t suit me but it’s your choice. And FYI I wouldn’t be happy with a Samsung because I loathe Touchwiz. And I have an Xperia Z2 on pre-order which may turn out to be a better fit but based on the Z1 probably not. Nice photo btw.

          • M_F

            There’s no need to bow to anyone’s opinion. Just that it is not entirely true that the 1020 is incapable of capturing something fast-moving. That bird didn’t exactly pose for my shot. It probably takes a bit of getting used to, or a certain level of preparedness if you need a fast capture with the 1020.

            I can appreciate your preference for a very speedy camera but one thing is for sure, HTC called it’s camera “Ultrapixel”. Not “UltraFast”. It deserves to be judged solely on image quality.

          • Tony Woolstencroft

            I didn’t say it was “incapable” just slow and cumbersome (and I’m not alone in that opinion). I’d rather not have to open the camera app just in case I want to take a picture and it takes longer to save the shot. I tried Microsoft’s Blink app which was worse than useless as it didn’t seem able to focus. I’ve got 2 labradors that are extremely hyper and I found it nigh on impossible to get a decent photo from the 1020. Got some fantastic landscape and portrait shots though. Horses for courses as the saying goes. Your bird doesn’t exactly seem to be sprinting.

          • M_F

            Not any more than your dog is sprinting. Anyway, if you know anything about birds they don’t hang around with your camera pointed right at them.

            Anyway, this little guy’s a bit tougher…

        • LionStone

          Great pic! The proof is in the pudding!

          • M_F

            … For people who haven’t seen what “great” truly is…

          • LionStone

            Give it a rest bro, just looking for attention now I see…

          • M_F

            Nah, I don’t need attention. Just that the HTC One’s camera is being slapped around by Samsung, Sony and Apple, and someone just had to divert attention to talk about another manufacturer’s camera speed. I do feel for the long suffering HTC fans…

          • LionStone

            Slapped around? Not really, you’re just trying to convince yourself it’s the better choice, it’s obvious.

          • M_F

            Ultrapixel is a faux ‘tech’ designed by marketers wearing engineers lab clothes. It’s designed for the clueless to give them something to shout about.

            HTC owner: Hey man, check out my new ULTRAPIXEL camera!

            S4 owner: Wow, sounds awesome, mate! Wait, why are the photos not as sharp as my S4??

            HTC owner: (darn, pwned!)

        • M_F

          Yawn…

          • illregal

            dog pic looks much.. much better

          • M_F

            Dog is cuter? With that plastic bone?

            Just remembered – you haven’t answered my question on the shutter speed yet! Please refer to my earlier post replying to you.

  • Victor Amador l

    Unfortunately people eat up gimmicks. With out them you’re likely to fail. (blackberry, palm, nokia).

    I think people are forgetting that these are still phones, with cameras. Not cameras with phones. I sold phones for 7 years at Vzw I never came across people wanting to print life size picture.

    4MP is more than enough for fb and instagram. I am way happier knowing I can take a picture in a dark room or club and still see people in the image.

    Gimmick or not HTC M8 has features that are more likely to be used in normal day life.

    • M_F

      Nokia? Gimmick? Where’s the gimmick?

      • Victor Amador l

        I’m listing the companies that didn’t have all these fancy features and “gimmicks,” because of that are now gone or close to gone. Nokia is pritty much gone.

  • Android2615

    Don’t buy it Mr. Kellex…it’s as simple as that…You don’t have to contempt anyone if they haven’t made things according to your wishes…They have made this piece for people who will associate themselves with it and buy it….if it doesn’t match with your wishlists, you don’t have to be grumpy about it…it’s all about personal choices and buying what you want…this sh@#y article definitely shows so much of immaturity of a writer in otherwise much loved DroidLife community.You write one of such articles and lose your readers for sure…..you seem to be a ranting baby who hasn’t been fed on time…Probably seems you have personal issues with HTC…

  • Cory

    Wow you are seriously daft. And have no real facts. 1. The 4MP camera was panned? Wrong. Many reviewers praised it. And many are doing the same with this one.

    And if you are going to be cropping and zooming and editing you should just go and buy an actual camera. Smartphone cameras aren’t designed for this.

    The photos are only good to be displayed on Instagram? Not true. You can print out very good prints with them. Also you could show them on an HD Monitor or TV given that most HD monitors and TVS that actual people own are 1080P. And that 4MP is a higher resolution than 1080p.

    OIS is essentially a not needed gimmick. Photographers have been using cameras without OIS for 150 years.

    You are just a daft fool. And have seriously ruined this website with this article. You are just a ranting fool. Who has no actual real facts on his side.

    • Adrynalyne

      Did you read this before posting? Insulting and namecalling destroyed any point you were trying to make.

    • MSined

      Funny in the article linked from Colby Brown Photography this is the quote ” As for the camera, I am hard pressed to not be happy that they have improved both the camera application itself and the picture taking quality of the phone when compared to last years model. I found more details in my images, better focusing in low light and overall a more enjoyable experience”

      How does that equate to “Even photographers who received the device earlier than anyone had a problem with it.”

  • Cory

    Wow you are very daft. And don’t think I will be coming bac to this website again. Yes HTC might have gimmicks but the HTC ‘gimmicks’ are actually useful. Unlie Samsungs.

    Also the 4MP camera was not panned by anyone with common sense. In fact their were many reviews praised the camera.

    And you clearly have no understanding of camera technology. OIS has nothing to do with low light photography. In fact you don’t need OIS period. Photographers have been taking pictures without OIS for 150 years.

    You are a daft twat. Do some actually research. Learn some real facts.

  • 4g63mark

    I’m really glad to see people starting to look past the aluminium. All I could hear for about 5 days was HTC apologists raving about aluminium and how it feels so good. I started to wonder if people were talking about a phone or a $600 accessory that was “hip.” …… Fortunately Kellen has the same view as myself. If it’s a high end phone, it needs to perform on par with high end phones. Putting out a mediocre phone with a crappy camera and dressing it in aluminium is like putting lipstick on a pig. And clearly Kellen is not a hillbilly that’s attracted to pigs in lipstick.

  • travelinjoe

    dammnnnn the haters are in full force! I’ve gotten some good shots with this thing when used correctly, not just to point out the glitches. Bokeh works good on pictures with people and im not even mad about the smaller file size. If you’re looking for professional shots break out the dslr. At the end of the day, 90% of the these photos are on social media anyway. Plus, I don’t remember any 3.2 or 4 megapixel shooters being able to compare with 2014 phones so the ultrapixel must be doin something. I was expecting to be let down, but have actually been enjoying the camera

  • Droid me!

    Its simple people, samsung gives you gimmicks that is true but what you failed and do mean fail is that they did not f##$$ up the basics, GS5 it getting rave reviews for screen tech, all the basics that you expect work and work well. As the reviewer pointed out htc screwed with a basic feature and made it worse. That called a backfire!

  • Brendan

    I think everyone is blowing this issue way out of control. Yes, it is lower than a lot of other cameras in terms of megapixels. We ask get that. And I’m not going to get into the big debate over megapixels vs ultrapixels and which is better, but the fact of the master is that no matter how insanely high you make your megapixel count, hire often are you realistically using that? Yes, I know there ate some people who do use it, but really, how many of you guys are taking pictures of these beautiful landscape and then saying “darn I can’t zoom in on this leaf and see the individual cells, this camera sucks.” I’m guessing not many of you. So don’t go off looking at professional photographers who say the camera isn’t as good as their thousand dollar DSLR camera. Because it’s not. It never will be. That’s just not how cameras work. But what HTC is trying to say is “Here’s our camera that can take good pictures. Not ones that you can get from a DSLR, but they’re still petty good and will work for a wallpaper if you put 2 seconds into planning your shot, because after that, you can do some really cool effects.”

    Wake up people. We’re at the border between resolution phases. We’re much past the 2MP of 1080p, but we aren’t at quality smartphone cameras with no noise and any of that junk in 4K.

    I think if this like comparing computer processors, as it’s an easier topic to imagine. Let’s say you and another person are tasked to find someone a processor for their computer. All they want to do is use the internet and they have an unlimiyed budgey. Okay, so you show them the i5 4670. A mid range processor that will get their internet browsing some no sweat, but will do some extra stuff also with ease if they require it, such as minor photo editing and a good amount of gaming. Meanwhile, the other person shows them some crazy i7 10 core extreme edition processor. Okay, great. Do they need that? No. Does it work the same, yes. But, for just internet browsing, who cares? With the i5 it’s already getting as good as it’s going to get in terms of browsing the internet. There’s no need for an i7 extreme. However, the person chooses the i7 extreme because more cores should equal more performance, right? Wrong, because you’re already going as fast as it’s going to go until there’s something more demanding that needs those cores, such as running a VM or major cad editing.

    It’s a bit of a stretch example, but I think it works.

    Hopeful you guys read this wall, as o feel as though I addressed some points pepper continue to hear on without looking at it from the other side.

  • MafatConspiracy

    I agree 100% with this article. Everything about M8 looks great. But for a heavy camera user, it’s all downhill. I google’d photo samples from the M8 and GS5 and the post-process blur (selective focus / UFocus) are equally bad. Considering HTC tacked on a 2nd camera to complement this feature, one would expect a technical advantage. Gimmick? –I’d have to see more side by side shots.

    Let’s not forget the PDAF system in the S5, which is HUGE.

    Looking forward to see how Samsung will respond.

    • Chris

      they already did.

      • LionStone

        What did they say?

  • jtc276

    Anyone claiming that the M8 has an unusable camera should look at the photos that have been posted on XDA. Some of the shots from this phone have been absolutely beautiful. The 4 UP camera certainly isn’t the best smartphone camera out there, but acting like it ruins a phone that is mostly perfect (the only other downside could be the black HTC bar and even Droid Life said it was easy to get used to) is ridiculous. I buy HTC phones for sound and screen quality. Both of those areas surpass any other Android manufacturer and they’re why I’ll continue to buy their devices. The camera on my M7 has been more than sufficient and, when I receive my M8 later this week, I know the camera on it will be as well.

    Oh, and HTC can continue to throw as many “gimmicks” in as they want as long as Sense remains the usable and aesthetically pleasing skin it is right now in comparison to Samsung’s TouchWiz abomination. I’m mainly a stock Android guy, but it’s just a fact that Sense is far more stable and smooth.

    • George Davis

      Nobody is saying the camera is unusable. But it’s a fact that the removal of OIS is a downgrade compared to the M7, while the “depth sensor” doesn’t seem to add much value at all. The combination of those two factors makes the M8 camera seem like a gimmick to the author, which is a matter of opinion — but it’s fairly well supported. For an example of a side-by-side comparison of the M7 and M8 cameras, check out AnandTech’s review here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review/3

      • jtc276

        The removal of OIS is almost negligible considering the shutter speed of the M8. Also, a huge improvement with the M8 camera is the more accurate color representation. The M7 often blew out the colors in photos resulting in “too light” colors. The M8 seems to have eradicated that problem quite nicely. Coming from people on XDA (you know, people who actually have the phone), the camera is better than the M7 and is surprisingly decent all around. No one claims that it’s better than the S5 or iPhone 5S. It isn’t. But enough of the remaining aspects of the phone are better than the competitors to make the slightly weak camera worth it.

        • George Davis

          Increased shutter speed isn’t going to help much when shooting video, which is the primary use case for OIS. The AnandTech comparison I linked to above shows that pretty clearly.

          The pictures on XDA seem like a mixed bag. Some of them look great, but the “depth sensor” effects in particular seem very inconsistent. Maybe it can be improved with a software update as HTC has claimed, but at this point I can’t help but agree it looks gimmicky. I still think the M8 has a lot going for it overall. No phone is perfect, and I don’t understand the need some people have to pretend otherwise.

          • jtc276

            I did watch the video on AnandTech and, even though I agree the M7 was better, the M8 seemed to produce a better quality video and wasn’t horribly shaky as some phones are. Then again, I never take videos with my phone, so it’s a personal non-issue for me.

            The camera on the One certainly is gimmicky to an extent. Acting like it’s awful and worse than anything Samsung has ever done crosses a line, though. That being said, the UP was the first real attempt at innovation in smartphone camera tech last year. Up until then the solution to a better smartphone camera was to simply throw in more megapixels. HTC has since been one-upped by the likes of Nokia in terms of innovation, but the UP technology is still interesting. It’s a shame that HTC couldn’t fit a higher UP camera into the new One this year, but it does show resilience and belief in the technology that they stuck with it. I think UPs will pay off in a big way if we simply allow the tech to mature, gain megapixels, and go through further testing. As of right now, they’re really nothing special, but when a 4 UP image is almost standing its own against 8 and 16 MP images, it shows promise. Personally, I’m excited at the thought of an 8 UP camera.

            And, like I said, the M8 certainly isn’t perfect, but not much is holding it back

      • LionStone

        That video comparison wasn’t really the best example, even the M7 had some blur going on.

  • Alec

    Droid Life, have you guys wondered why you didn’t get the phone early? Some of these posts are not even considered news and is just pure bashing HTC for a camera, in their otherwise perfect smartphone. Honestly, it’s just not professional and Kellen gets too carried away sometimes. I came here for NEWS, not a personal blog on why Kellen hates the new HTC One. The camera isn’t the best, WE GET IT. It’s not a huge gimmick either, it has a ton of excellent camera software features, it just doesn’t have a great shooter. I’ve seen sample pictures, they look fine in a lot of cases, just not on par with other flagships. WHATEVER. Everything else I’ve heard is great about the phone. Poor HTC, I wouldn’t let you guys test my phone for less than $650 either.

    • George Davis

      Droid-Life has always been a mix of news and opinion articles. There’s nothing wrong with stating your opinion in an article that is clearly labeled as an opinion piece.

      • Alec

        Really? You didn’t think this article was immature at all? He completely bashed HTC over and over trying to humiliate them. This isn’t an opinion article (like what Ron writes), this is Kellen firing shots at HTC, accomplishing NOTHING

        • George Davis

          Well to be fair, HTC were the first ones to play the “gimmick” card so they were kind of asking for it. The article focuses on the camera only, and in the context of all the positive things that have been said about the M8 on this site in the past week, it seems like fair play to me.

          • LionStone

            Opinion pieces and reporting is one thing… bashing is another. Not the same.

        • cizzlen

          I totally understand where Kellen is coming from and encourage people to voice their opinions to keep the market competitive but the tone in this article is definitely a turn off for me. And I agree 100% with your OP. I don’t need to plaster pics on my wall. Every video or pic I took with my M7 last year was insta-filtered and posted on some social media site, meant to view on phones/tablets etc. The camera looks and works just fine for me, plus the UP tech actually takes some quality pics.

    • Chris

      Kellen has been a bitchy mood lately….

  • LionStone

    How can a camera be a gimmick? I guess DL can forget ever getting early phone release from HTC, kinda disappointing…

    • Alec

      Exactly what I said, read my comment

      • LionStone

        Yea I’m bummed because all these personal jabs amount to is, us going elsewhere for our Android fix and/or no exclusives with HTC phones. It’s basically a lose-lose situation.

  • E A butler

    Note to HTC, next time use a 12mp camera, 5000mah battery , 32/64 gb versions with sd card support nothing else matters. You will win the phone war. Metal or plastic is irrelevant when you build a phone people “NEED”.

    • LionStone

      Haha, and I thought they needed GeeBees!

  • trwb

    Go ahead ask the internet, I’ll wait…as Gary Oldman stares at you like a creeper.

  • Scott Martin

    “3D Dimension” the repetition is a bit redundant don’t you think?

  • Jeff Miller

    Hmmmm kind of a harsh article if you ask me. I’m not sure it was needed or deserved. Im on this site numerous times a day so hate to bash but I think HTC brought a pretty decent device to the table. Sense is probably the best of all the skins. Just got rid of my G2, previously a S4 and both of there skins suck. I enjoy the minimal approach HTC brings. Definitely some strange hardware design choices but still a very solid phone. Curious to see what Moto and LG have in store for later in the year, until then I will be rocking the M8.

    • George Davis

      Not sure why so many are misinterpreting this post as bashing the M8 in general. It’s about one specific aspect of the device, the camera. The site has been full of positive and informative posts about the M8 all week.

      • Chris

        seems you are kissing ass now…

        • George Davis

          By pointing out a fact? Isn’t it past your bedtime?

  • tylerc23

    I would disagree, but only somewhat.
    HTC definitely brought more to the table that is extremely useful, like the Gesture Motions for example, more so than others have, like S5.

  • William Oh

    The biggest gimmick of all is their main attraction: the unibody aluminum construction. I mean really, it’s as soft as a baby’s bottom. & it almost feels like plastic… which is horrifically ironic. The M8 is a good example of how you can turn a good phone and make it worse. HTC, learn from Samsung; if there ain’t nothin wrong with it, don’t ‘fix’ it.

    • Chris

      samsung did. with a bandaid back

    • illregal

      Obviously never seen one in person.. or have no idea what metal feels like vs plastic. And the issue with your analogy is that, quite literally everything is wrong with samsung.

  • blairh

    I’m starting to think HTC might sell less One’s this year compared to last. Phone is heavy, too tall, and the bottom bezel is hideous. The camera is what really kills it though. Reviews overall are more harsh about the camera this year. Everyone imagined significant improvements this go around but alas a gimmick 2nd camera. I feel bad for HTC because I root for them, but this phone is a huge disappoint IMO. I even think keeping the phone so large to accommodate those speakers is a mistake. Anybody who cares about music on their phone will use headphones or a bluetooth speaker.

    • LionStone

      Large? Its a hair taller than the DNA WITH dual front speakers… sometimes it’s nice not wearing headphones and on the fly not always have Bluetooth speakers in tow. Heavy!? Pushups?

      • blairh

        Nothing to do with personal strength. It’s a heavy phone. Period.

        It’s also a hair shorter than the Note 3. It’s noticeably tall in person.

        The speakers won’t matter to most people. Like I said, most of us use headphones or bluetooth speakers. It’s not worth making such a large phone just so you can have dual stereo speakers.

        Sadly the M8 will only continue HTC’s decline.

        • LionStone

          It being heavy to you is a personal observation, period…it did not feel ‘heavy’ to me. I’m glad there is the ‘choice’ of having a phone with 2 front speakers.

  • chris125

    But…But…But.. It’s made of metal so it makes it all better /s

  • 213ninja

    if they would have made this phone out of wood maybe they could have afforded to make the camera better….

  • John

    When Journalist start trash talking, credibility goes down the drain.

    • Turb0wned

      Agreed.

    • Adrynalyne

      Probably shouldn’t read opinion pieces then. They are everywhere.

  • Dave

    I’d be willing to place a large wager that stores sell more S4 or possibly even S3’s than All New Ones this year. That should be a devastating enough pill for HTC to swallow.

  • dandroid13

    HTC is a joke, lol. Funny is how people praise the One because of the metal, even though the rest is pure gimmick.

  • Jkdem85

    Some people on here need to understand what a “gimmick” really is.

    • Brandon Jiang

      *cough* NexusMan *couch*

      • NexusMan

        Why don’t you tell us, Brandon Jiang.

        • LionStone

          Ahem…heart rate monitor, ahem. lol

          • NexusMan

            Gimmick too. Your point?

          • LionStone

            Good, just checking

        • Brandon Jiang

          why bother?

          • NexusMan

            my feelings exactly.

    • LionStone

      Yep especially when the camera in question actually takes fine photos for a ‘mobile’ phone, even besting the Note 3 in a blind test. I mean, I could see if the camera didn’t work at all, but the hardware and software has been upgraded and HTCs camera software is second to none.

    • Cael

      Everything HTC is advertising is a gimmick.

  • Nathan Bryant

    Their camera is a complete gimmick. Other companies use real supportive features to do better in low light and still have sharp and higher res pictures. UltraPixel is honestly dead. It was dead when invented. Samsung uses ISOCell to do better with low light and make pictures brighter. Samsung is also known to have the best if not one of the best cameras on a mobile phone. You have other companies that are good as well. Apple does something of their own to do better in low light and still produces sharp pictures as well. You don’t need a huge amount of megapixel count to have a nice camera but you need much more then 4 with good hardware to produce such. The hardware alone will not help a poor 4MP camera. The Nexus has 8MP which is just fine, but still produces poor pictures because the software and mostly hardware that supports the camera is bad. OIS doesn’t even save the camera really. It’s just little things to try and cover it up. At least Google can say they cut corners to keep the price down, but really they need to take it more serious and launch it like the iPhone on all carriers and control the updates, and stop cutting corners and A+ all the specs. Anyways, HTC’s phone is solid in just about every department except the camera. Their skin has improved again this time around, the build is more refined and didn’t need a dramatic change. You’re supposed to stick with a winning build and just refine it as time goes on. It only needs an overhaul when worthy new ideas and new tech has matured which allows you to take that risk.

  • calculatorwatch

    I think HTC has done a lot of real innovating with the new One. The motion launch gestures for instance are very innovative and useful and something beyond almost any of the “features” we see from Samsung.

    I totally agree with this article though. When a gimmick is not only useless but actually hurts the core functionality of a phone, it becomes something so much worse than a gimmick. It’s a major fail on HTC’s part.

    • n900mixalot

      Problem is, the motion features were called gimmicks when Samsung introduced them two or more years ago. HTC is innovating with their UltraPixel camera, and it’s a great idea but they should have improved upon it like Samsung has done with their innovative features over time.

      • LionStone

        Motion features aren’t the same as swipe gestures. HTC did improve their camera, except for MP. It still take decent photos.

      • calculatorwatch

        Yeah I think the reason that some of Samsung’s innovations seem more gimmicky is because they don’t end up being that useful. The screen-off swipe gestures of the One seem like something I would use everyday, whereas the hold-your-phone-like-this gestures that Samsung includes seem like something I would forget about.

        The UltraPixel camera is definitely a worthwhile innovation, but it’s HTC’s choice to focus their development on an unnecessary depth sensor instead of improving their camera and overcoming its shortfalls, that I have a problem with.

  • dk1golf

    I guess I don’t get why people are so consumed by phone cameras. Call me old fashioned – but, if I want to take high quality photographs, I use my camera. The camera on my HTC One M7 does just fine. And, the low light feature (which apparently is gone in the M8?) is actually very good when compared to fairly high end digital cameras.

    • Ben Edwards

      The main reason is that you’ve always got your phone on you, but you may not necessarily have a camera available. If you’re purposefully going out to take photos you’ll be armed and ready, but in times when you’re caught off guard you want as a good of a backup as possible – usually your phone.

  • flosserelli

    So, Kellen…why don’t you tell everyone how you really feel 😉

    You forgot to mention the old “boost-the-benchmark” gimmick
    http://tinyurl.com/lpr39kj

  • OF

    Samsung-Life 😉

  • cgalyon

    Agreed.

  • sgtguthrie

    There seems to always be one thing that stops HTC from hitting it out of the park. Being a father of two young children, most of the photos we catch end up being with our phones because it’s always there. If HTC would put in a camera that I can crop and print, I would probably come back to HTC. Even after owning the Blunderbolt…

    I think this article is right on…would it have killed HTC to put in image stabilization and an 8 “ultrapixel” camera?

  • John Kitchen

    For what it’s worth the M8 camera is amazing.

    • PoisonApple31

      Compared to a GNex, yes!

      • NexusMan

        Yes. lol.

      • miri

        My GNex actually takes quite nice photos in daytime with very accurate white balancing and zero shutter lag. Useless in low-light, though.

        • Diablo81588

          The gnex camera is awful in any situation.

    • LionStone

      No, no, no… I’m sure those that ‘haven’t’ used the camera have a much more accurate assessment!

  • blahblahblah

    Did I just see an article NOT praising HTC on DL?? Watch out for the hate mail from everyone else Kelleen. God forbid someone tells the truth on this site haha.

  • erikiksaz

    I don’t think you’re being very fair. HTC isn’t touting the only great feature of the 2014 One to be the camera. You’ve got things like (1) build quality, (2) sound quality, (3) added microSD [upon popular demand], (4) battery life.

    Considering all the improvements in the above, it doesn’t make sense to even put them in the same category as samsung in terms of gimmicks. There’s no crap heart rate sensors that existed 3 years ago, or baby-monitoring apps, or any other feeble attempts to replace google apps (I’m looking at you S-voice).

    You are 100% allowed to dislike the One because they omitted OIS for the depth camera, but it surely isn’t a gimmic, it actually does something. The One takes pictures immediately, and you could “ufocus” them immediately afterwards. You can’t take consecutive pictures on the S5 then expect to refocus them. Each image takes at least a good 2 seconds in the selective focus mode. Good luck getting the perfect image to selective focus.

    • George Davis

      If you look at some of his other posts from the past week you will see that Kellen has been singing the praises of the M8 overall. He’s just calling HTC out on the camera situation being a gimmick, not the phone as a whole. You have to admit, the “depth camera” is gimmicky and the removal of OIS is a downgrade. Other than that the phone has a lot going for it.

      • LionStone

        Omitting the OIS is not a downgrade when the camera focuses at 300 ms, 3x faster than the M7. Reviewers already report it isn’t needed with the shots they were getting and as HTC has said, it wasn’t needed.

        • George Davis

          The reviews I’ve read so far (AnandTech, ars technica) have said the removal of OIS has had a negative impact on camera performance. AnandTech actually did a side-by-side comparison using the M7 and M8, and concluded that “the lack of OIS has a tremendous impact on image stability while recording video.” They said the impact on still photography was also “significant” but easier to mitigate using the improved camera software (e.g. the faster camera focus you mentioned). But quicker focus times aren’t going to help when it comes to stability of video recording. That makes it a downgrade.

    • miri

      From what I’ve seen, uFocus is just a lens blur filter applied automatically (and often sloppily) with the depth data.

      • JMonkeYJ

        Yeah, there was an interview with an HTC engineer and that’s exactly what it is. It’s sometimes sloppy because their depth data isn’t perfect. They claim that it will improve with software updates.

        • Ben Edwards

          Am I the only one sick of things being released and then having the OEM claim it will be better with future software updates?

          • Brendan

            Gotta stick to a release schedule.

    • Cael

      “I don’t think you’re being very fair. HTC isn’t touting the only great feature of the 2014 One to be the camera. You’ve got things like (1) build quality, (2) sound quality, (3) added microSD [upon popular demand], (4) battery life.”

      Those are all gimmicks. HTC has always had good build quality but NEVER advertised it. Now it makes a metal phone and wants to praise it to the high heavens. Nothing was wrong with their phones in terms of build quality excluding their stupid decisions on what to put in the phone. HTC’s sound quality may be good but the way they execute it is pure gimmick and it ruins the appearance of the device. HTC needs to learn how to innovate that. They added a microSD card back based on popular demand? I doubt it. They’re taking basically copying Samsung so people have less feature reasons to swap. If HTC actually listened to their users they would have gotten rid of the Ultrapixel camera and wouldn’t have taken away the OIS. Battery life? HTC still overall sucks at it no matter how many power saving modes they bring.

      “Considering all the improvements in the above, it doesn’t make sense to even put them in the same category as samsung in terms of gimmicks. There’s no crap heart rate sensors that existed 3 years ago, or baby-monitoring apps, or any other feeble attempts to replace google apps (I’m looking at you S-voice).”

      HTC bought beats to use as a gimmick and sold them off when it didn’t attract buyers like they expected. HTC comes up with names like boomsound and zoe. Then makes a mode called Selfie. HTC is in the same category as Samsung.

      “You are 100% allowed to dislike the One because they omitted OIS for the depth camera, but it surely isn’t a gimmic, it actually does something. The One takes pictures immediately, and you could “ufocus” them immediately afterwards. You can’t take consecutive pictures on the S5 then expect to refocus them. Each image takes at least a good 2 seconds in the selective focus mode. Good luck getting the perfect image to selective focus.”

      The depth camera is pure gimmick. It’s no different than the Evo 3D which had the gimmick 3D camera.

      • erikiksaz

        I’m not even sure why I’m replying to you, as you’re being fairly nonsensical.

        (1)Metal VS plastic is not a gimmick. Remember what Samsung called the textured back cover for the galaxy nexus? “Hyperskin” That’s a gimmick. You can’t feel the difference between “hyperskin” and textured plastic. You CAN feel the difference between metal and plastic.

        (2) And improving the sound by way of adding front facing stereo speakers was an industry first for a smartphone. I’d like to know why you consider front facing speakers a gimmick. I have yet to hear anybody scream, “I wish HTC would have put those speakers on the back instead!” Idiot.

        As for the microSD, Samsung was not the first, nor will be the last manufacturer to have incorporated it. My phone from 2004 had a removable storage slot.

        As for battery life, without any sources, you are just a poorly-informed Samsung fanboy. See source here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/5

        Battery life is nearly equal amongst the M8 and the S5, the M8 wins 2, S5 wins 1. The GFX bench results don’t really count, as the the M8 ekes out less battery life but maintains higher levels of performance than the S5.

        And beats headphones were included with previous HTC phones, so it’s more of a feature than a gimmick. Although I do agree the name “boomsound” can be construed as a gimmick, BUT, there still is no other phone on the market that sounds as full as the M7/M8, so the gimmicky part can be argued.

  • Grant Currie

    I don’t get it. My M8 takes perfect photos for me. I have had my share of Android phones. Including the SGS3, N4, N5, SGS4, Note 2 and Note 3. The quality of my camera isn’t why I buy a smartphone.. This guy is way off the line IMO.

    • peacekeeper05

      Well that’s for you. But I think a lot of people would prefer having better cameras than an ‘okay’ camera. I am one of them. If it could be better why not.

      • Grant Currie

        That’s true. It’s just not a main priority for me and maybe some others. I know for a fact it takes great photos.

        • n900mixalot

          Until you look at then on anything other than a smartphone screen, or zoom in.

          • Grant Currie

            Hmm.. looking at it from Google Photos on a 1080p laptop.. looks great to me.

  • Cornholio

    Kellex has an iMac?!?!

  • possomcrast1

    No phone camera takes dedicated camera-quality pictures. The M8 takes great pictures in every way that I need; I dont need to set pictures from my phone as desktop wallpapers. Frankly, I’m not sure what the big need for 13-16 megapixels is and I’m pretty sure that the whole controversy is just caused by the fact that everyone else bases their marketing around megapixels. “They told me megapixels are important in the advertisement!”. I loved the M7 camera, and I love the one on the M8 just as much. In my opinion the color reproduction (which is arguably more important) is much better than anything by LG or Samsung. Sure the resolution isn’t the highest, but I’ve never needed a high resolution in a phone…maybe that’s just me…

    • NexusMan

      13-16 megapixels? How about 8? How about 6?

      • Cael

        “No phone camera takes dedicated camera-quality pictures.”

        But they’re trying to, which is the point.

        “The M8 takes great pictures in every way that I need; I dont need to set pictures from my phone as desktop wallpapers.”

        That’s you though. Other people may want that.

        “Frankly, I’m not sure what the big need for 13-16 megapixels is and I’m pretty sure that the whole controversy is just caused by the fact that everyone else bases their marketing around megapixels. “They told me megapixels are important in the advertisement!”.”

        More megapixels = more detail and nobody markets megapixels like that. If that was the case I’m sure people would be at Nokia’s level by now.

    • Tony Woolstencroft

      Totally agree. You are not alone…

      • possomcrast1

        Good to know.

  • Octotron

    I wanted to respond to this earlier.. But I was too busy editing photos from my cell phone on my computer.

    Wait.. No. No I wasn’t. In fact, I have literally never done that. Ever.

    <3 Kellen

    • NexusMan

      I have.

  • Jkdem85

    Also I truly think htc is trying to differentiate themselves with UltraPixel. I don’t think its change for the sake of change which in my opinion constitutes a feature being a gimmick. It also is the epitome of what Samsung does. I rather my oem take big risks in major ways like the camera instead of dropping hundreds of pointless features like eye tracking and baby monitors. Without big risks there’s no innovation

    • peacekeeper05

      The point is, nothing changed from the original ultrapixel camera. They even removed OIS in favor of another rear camera that only adds depth perception. I wouldn’t bash the extra camera if the results are good but it is not. The results are terrible and badly cropped. Even the nightshots always ends up over exposed or too dull.

    • Ben Edwards

      The term UltraPixel itself is still a gimmick though. It’s still a 4MP camera, that’s the resolution. UltraPixel means absolutely nothing in the real world beyond a marketing term.

      • LionStone

        Ultra means exceedingly or extreme… as in exceeding the normal amount of light or extreme amount of light. It is described perfectly because that’s exactly what it does.

        • Ben Edwards

          Doesn’t change the fact that it’s still little more than a marketing term though. The camera is still only a 4MP shooter, ultrapixel is not an actual term used to define the resolution of the camera. Therefore, it’s gimmick.

          • LionStone

            Ultra is a real word, so is pixel… put them together and it means exactly what it implies. They aren’t marketing something it doesn’t do. Yes, it is only 4MP, nobody is disputing that.

  • Jkdem85

    Also the link you posted praised the camera in many ways. Said last years model matched a 6k Dslr in some shots and that this Years model did improve in some ways. Also the vast majority of photos stay on your phone or Facebook so cropping issues don’t affect many.

    • 213ninja

      lol @ anyone comparing a camera phone to a DSLR…not saying you dude, but whoever did….shouldn’t….ever.

  • peacekeeper05

    Very brave of you to write an article about this. Thank you for being honest and true.

  • InvaderDJ

    Damn, brutal. Although to be fair the only stupid gimmick I’d say that HTC has with the M8 is the camera. It’s a huge stupid gimmick, but it is only one. HTC should have gone with a higher MP count and kept the OIS and ditched the second camera. There’s hope that software updates can improve performance but I doubt it will be significant, they usually never are.

    Samsung I think still has more gimmicks but as Kellen said most of them are either not that important or don’t affect anything major (you can just turn off the fingerprint scanner and software features like Smart Stay and you can ignore the heartbeat monitor.

    I’m still a fan of the phone, I made my peace before I bought it that the camera wasn’t going to be significantly better than the original M7, but it was a huge mistake on HTC’s part.

    • NexusMan

      HTC has tons of gimmicks. The metal casing, in itself, is a gimmick.

      • Jkdem85

        Not everything is a gimmick.

        • NexusMan

          True. I don’t think anyone has said as such.

      • George Davis

        This comment is a gimmick.

        • NexusMan

          Cute. Not true, but funny.

  • Ant

    Mighty Moto Power Rangers LMAO !!!

  • JD1031

    After the S5 came out, everyone talked so much trash about it and now that the One m8 is out and everyone doing the same. I have an S4 right now and decided to switch to the HTC one m8, not only because of build quality, but because of the OS as well. I don’t think the metal body makes it better than a plastic body, but I do think Sense UI is 5x more snappy than touchwiz. I love Samsung and I think the 4K video recording, water/dust resistance, and camera are all better than the One m8, but I just wanted to switch it up. All of these sites are making the phone out to be the worst phone ever made and people who havent even held the phone in their hand are criticizing it the most. This almost affected my decision to buy the One, but i’ve been using it for a day now and I love it.

  • Jkdem85

    Reviews for the m8 have been universally strong with some sites like bgr and Android central declaring it amazing etc. The verge basically scored the same as the iPhone which is a minor miracle for them. Everything is smooth and flows. Camera is lightening fast as well my note 3 took ages to focus and process. Best yet zero lag. Camera def has issues but overall the phone is like a German sports car just fun to use and premium while being flawed

    • Cael

      You can fix a car. Not even HTC can fix their camera.

      • LionStone

        Not broken that’s why.

        • Cael

          That 4MP is clearly broken and needs to be fixed.

          • LionStone

            Don’t worry so much on what you ‘don’t’ have, make good with what you got. Every mobile camera out there has its limitations, period.

          • Cael

            And HTC brought back camera limitations from 5 years ago.

          • LionStone

            That’s why they’ve been consistently using the biggest aperture of f/2.0 and everyone else is using or still f/2.2, f/2.4! Having the option of having the biggest aperture opening is a nice feature to have since lighting and photography kind of go hand in hand. I hear the iphone 6 will have f/1.8!

  • Droid Ronin

    Meanwhile, I am enjoying the innovative features like the Active Display and Touchless Control on my Moto X.

    • Maxim∑

      If only the display and camera were better. That would be the perfect Android phone

      • Matthew Rebmann

        While agree with you, I think that The Moto X is still one of the best iterations of Android to date 🙂
        The plastic (moto maker) back doesn’t feel cheap, Active Display and Always on Voice commands work for me incredibly well. The camera is my biggest complaint but as long as you take a few shots the pictures are usually just fine and I only get screen envy when I actually have an S4/G2/One directly next to mine. I can live with that 😀

        • Maxim∑

          With my Moto X in the correct lighting Ive actually gotten really good photos, only issue is its not consistent. For the price its still a great phone, in some ways even better than the Nexus 5

    • Ethan Kirkmeyer

      This is my reaction to articles like this. Love my X – even with it’s weird camera.

  • Guest

    I just sold my S4 on swappa and I’m picking up an off contract Verizon S5 next week. the examples of that camera have me sold, and I use my camera on the phone often. I was so excited for the M8..then it was actually revealed, and it becaame just “meh.” http://u.to/VdXNBg

  • KarissEvries

    I just sold my S4 on swappa and I’m picking up an off contract Verizon S5 next week. the examples of that camera have me sold, and I use my camera on the phone often. I was so excited for the M8..then it was actually revealed, and it became just “meh.” http://u.to/VdXNBg

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    spoiler: very off topic

    for some reason i’m really interested in this months distribution numbers.

  • Jonathan Bunch

    Tell us how you really feel Kellen

  • NexusMan

    AMEN! Thank you thank you thank you, Kellen! You took the words right out of my mouth. I was having this EXACT same debate with a friend earlier. I’m so glad you posted this!

  • rawson815

    Thank God I’m not the only one!!!!!!!! Thanks kellex!

  • Jkdem85

    Camera not as good as my note 3 or iPhone 5s but nowhere as bad as you are making it out . I know there would never be any anger over the tester phone snub.

  • MH

    They have been worse than sammy since the Evo. Evo 3D /story.

  • Tyler James Edward Hills

    “The best crafted design” huh?

    What is so great about HTC design other than the material used? The metal phone does feel premium and that’s great. But the bezels? The fat black HTC bar? The power button at the top?

    I saw literally nothing about this phone that made me want to fork over money for it until the Dot Case review.

    • Cael

      The fact the phone is THICKER. It’s heavy.

      • LionStone

        Pushups bro, pushups.

        • Cael

          K go market that to the average consumer.

          • LionStone

            I couldn’t believe how light it felt, it does look heavier than it is though so I was surprised myself. Compared it to my DNA and I thought my DNA felt heavier. You guys are just grabbing at straws.

          • Cael

            The Droid DNA is 141.7 g and the One M8 is 160 g so your brain is just processing wrong.

          • LionStone

            Very good, that’s why I said, ”I thought…”, maybe it’s the difference in materials but I knew that before I picked it up that the M8 was a bit heavier. So my observation is not valid and your is? Keep grabbing straws.

  • Jay Ochs

    man, i used to be the biggest HTC fanboy..my first phone, the Eris, was soon followed by the Inc, which was then followed by the Rezound, and then the DNA. I LOVED HTC more than anything…then everything started to decline after the DNA. Had myself an S3 along with the DNA, which the camera killed it in..then I got an S4, which the camera killed it even harder..then i saw the light with the LG G2, which is an amazing phone, but with a crap camera…and now it’s either the M8 or the S5. hmm. yeah, I just sold my S4 on swappa and I’m picking up an off contract Verizon S5 next week. the examples of that camera have me sold, and I use my camera on the phone often. I was so excited for the M8..then it was actually revealed, and it became just “meh.”

    • Dominick White

      In the same both, been a big HTC fan, but looking at different phone maker. But waiting to see what the Lg G3 and Note 4 brings

    • NexusMan

      I’m there with you, bro. But for me, they started to decline after the late software problems with, and lack of support for the Incredible.

    • LionStone

      Did you just say the S3 camera killed the DNA? That is laughable, it came out with an aperture of f/2.6! DNA has an f stop of 2.0. That’s a huge difference if you know what I mean.

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    i’m going to be so upset if Moto screws up on the camera again.

    • The Narrator

      Stock android needs to step it up. Google, get to work!

    • Maxim∑

      they will, this isn’t even worth debating over. Only Android OEM capable of a good camera is Samsung

      • Daeshaun Griffiths

        we don’t know that. They are the only major player that switched to using clear pixel tech. Let’s pray they learned something juicy.

        • MicroNix

          I’ll take my odds on the lottery.

      • Brandon Jiang

        uhhhh….. sony?

        • Maxim∑

          Sony is ok to but Samsungs still seems to be doing better. Ironic though because Sony makes the iPhone camera modules in the iPhone 5

          • Cael

            Sony doesn’t do the camera software.

            This is why the Nexus’ cameras suck because Google doesn’t do camera software like LG even though its the same hardware.

      • Cael

        Hello, LG?!

      • Tim

        The PadFone X’s camera from ASUS is pretty nice.

    • Cael

      They can issue an update whenever to Google Play so they can get a pass.

  • Mike Aurin

    When Kellen says it its perfectly OK but when anyone else defends Samsung they are a Nazi. And I agree with you K, trash talk between the two is healthy but EVERYONE is using gimmicks and grasping for straws. Some are just doing it better than others.

    • The Narrator

      That’s why the only relevant companies to rely on good software is LG, Sony, Oppo, Moto/Google,

      • MicroNix

        And how are those “relevant” companies doing compared to Samsung?

        • The Narrator

          Sales don’t mean jack sh!t. Just because they can fool customer’s, doesn’t mean they’re good.

          • Justen DeBowles

            yea… they kinda do when it comes to relevance… their “fooling” of customers is what’s keeping android so strong. take off the hate-shades.

          • The Narrator

            lol keeping Android strong, lol , that’s hilarious

          • MicroNix

            I know more people in the tech field with Samsung devices than Moto, LG, Sony and Oppo combined. I can’t believe Samsung has managed to pull the wool over all of their eyes!!

          • MicroNix

            No sales mean nothing. It’s *only* the means of a company’s survival.

      • Justen DeBowles

        lol really? LG? Sony? OPPO!?.

        If you wanna hate then go ahead… but let it be factual hate. You say relevant companies and forget the main one keeping Android 1st in relevance. wut

        • The Narrator

          Samsung is ruining Android. There’s no other way to describe it.

          • Justen DeBowles

            “Keeping Android 1st”

            “ruining android”

            wut???

          • The Narrator

            Look at the recent Galaxy tabs. Look nothing like Android. Their watches are already switching to Tizen.

          • Justen DeBowles

            but their phones are android… and keeping it at the number 1 spot. so they’re excluded from “relevance” talks why? because they’re ruining the OS they’re pushing far above competitors.

            WUT!?

          • The Narrator

            You’re obviously blind to the failures and disgrace they’ve brought upon Android.

            Have fun with it. Don’t forget the lube at the next Samsung meeting.

          • Mike Aurin

            Narrator. You’re wrong. Plain and simple. You are a sheep.and aren’t good at making points. Your posts don’t exactly aide your views.

          • The Narrator

            Sheep, I’m not sucking the dick of a single company.

          • Mike Aurin

            See? Like this….

          • PoisonApple31

            Except T-Mobile, you do a lot of sucking there.

          • The Narrator

            And I have Verizon, so nope. No sheep.

          • Justen DeBowles

            yea…you kinda are. If you look to say something negative at any turn. You pay it just as much attention as a positive fanboy…

          • The Narrator

            Following 4+ companies is a fanboy, perfect logic brah

          • Justen DeBowles

            -__-. following behind 1 just to slander it at every turn is though. Even negative attention is still attention.

          • The Narrator

            Nah. There’s a reason Google had to intervene when they released their latest tablets.

          • MicroNix

            Narrator…the smart phone authority… BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

          • The Narrator

            Here’s a 9mm and some bullets. Have some fun

          • Justen DeBowles

            Intervene? You mean the 10 year google samsung PARTNERSHIP?

            WAT!?

          • The Narrator

            Lol just proves how stupid you are. They intervened because of their bs software.

          • Justen DeBowles

            Do you just believe that whatever you think is an actual fact? Even Google itself called it a Partnership…

            #WUT

          • Justen DeBowles

            “Failures and disgrace” that have literally propelled Android to be the most powerful mobile brand in the world…

            I’m out of Wuts…

          • The Narrator

            Just because they are at the top, it doesn’t make them good. Take the iPhone for example. It’s all foolish marketing and gathering the sheep. It’s okay, this is America, if people want sh!t, they have every right too.

          • LionStone

            So powerful that Google had to tell them to tone it down…

          • MicroNix

            Tisk tisk Troll. Can’t handle it when everyone disagrees with your slop?

          • MicroNix

            And you are ruining the forums with hate but that’s never stopped you now has it?

          • Brandon Jiang

            um have you seen ColorOS? complete crap

          • 213ninja

            that’s your opinion, but in reality, it’s just not. it’s not doing anything to it…

      • NexusMan

        LG? LOL!

        • The Narrator

          The G2 was better than the S4/Note 3, and the Nexus 5 is holding on strong. Not sure why you’re loling.

          • PoisonApple31

            He means those phones were in his “price” range.

          • Brandon Jiang

            I honestly don’t think we should consider Nexus devices a part of the OEM… it’s how Google wanted it, and LG was just the slave essentially. The G2 has absolute shyt software. It could be considered a variant of Touchwiz (I mean, it frickin has smart stay. and it doesn’t even work as well as Samsung’s smart stay)

          • 213ninja

            that’s a neat opinion, but there are plenty of folks who prefer TW to LG’s skin. i’m not even saying i’m one of them, but you have to acknowledge they exist in numbers. and comparing the Note 3 to the G2 is barely legitimate in terms of purpose. but if you were going to do that, you’d need to factor in the s-pen features in TW, which is one of the only things Sammy does right in TW, which makes the N3 trump. yes that’s my opinion, but i supported it.

          • NexusMan

            Because you were talking about LG’s SOFTWARE and LG’s software is not only NOT better than that of the S4/Note 3, or HTC One, it is downright BAD.

          • Brandon Jiang

            At least we agree here.

          • NexusMan

            Let’s get married.

    • NexusMan

      You got that right.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    Guyyyyyysss why all the negativity…. Let’s all hold hands and enjoy our gimmicky smartphones.

    • Cael

      Yes! I want my gimmick Droid 5.

  • eilegz

    HTC exposed…. and they seem to continue the fail

    • over-exposed*

    • Intellectua1

      Woah is that the Netscape logo.. That’s old school right there. lol.

  • emoney

    if we didn’t have things that appeared gimmicky on the surface, we wouldn’t have anything.

  • AbbyZFresh

    HTC may make nice products but it’s only a matter of time before they throw in the towel. Despite the One’s success they could barely turn a profit. Time for Google to buy them to make the Nexus phones look and feel premium.

    • Intellectua1

      Buy them for their patents and throw the stripped carcus away like they did Motorola is more like it

  • Daniel Walsh

    HTC has a gimmicky camera and that’s it. Samsung on the other hand…

    • Tyler James Edward Hills

      But don’t use the gimmicks, and nothing really comes up short on Galaxy devices. You may think some of the modes are stupid, but just using Auto you’ll still come up with a hell of a picture. Not so with the One

    • But that’s my point. I can’t deal with a gimmicky camera. I can deal with heart rate monitors and Samsung’s other crap. But a camera is probably a top 5 feature when considering a phone. It can make or a break a phone in my opinion. If you screw that up with gimmicks, good luck. And if you are going to make the camera a gimmick, you better make the rest of the package brilliant, like Motorola did with the Moto X.

      • Intellectua1

        Very true, a crappy camera is a deal breaker for me even though I own a Nikon D5100

        • Carlton Crasher

          As an owner of a dslr I agree. Many times I don’t have my dslr with me or its just not important enough to get it out. I mainly use my dslr for vacations and stuff I will view on my computer

      • rawson815

        Agreed kellex I have said this many times and ad a person that buys a phone just because he wants it I would honestly say that the only thing holding me back is this one camera issue! I haven’t bought a new phone in several months and its due to the lack of innovation in most smart phone manufacture’s ..PS moto x dev edition daily driver

      • MichaelFranz

        I have to agree, this camera i probably the dealbreaker for me on this phone. I’m sure once the S5 is released and HTC is slammed for a poor camera when compared the samsung that will hurt them bad

        • Dale

          I am tempted to agree with you. I am waiting for this phone to arrive in the mail, but I have a feeling I may end up with an S5 because of the camera. But having said that, I have seen some low light picture samples from the S5 and they were equally bad. Time will tell I supposed.

        • casualsuede

          Having used the camera on the GS5 and the HTC One, the one on the GS5 is much better when taking regular pictures. The 16 mp camera with ISOCELL tech produced better pictures (to me at least) than the 4 Ultrapixel with BSI in candlelight (equivalent) images. Sorry, maybe the HTC One is better in nightclubs, but in regular or mid-low light, I thought the Samsung was better (I don’t go to clubs)

      • Jkdem85

        You said in earlier posts that everything else is basically perfect besides the camera so how is it different than the Moto x?

        • Mike

          The moto x has a 8 (or 13?) megapixel shooter so it can at least take sharp pictures, and software tweaks can enhance it (even said in the X review that there was times when it was a “complete rockstar”). When HTC puts this 4 mp camera on, no amount of software tweaks are going to fix the fact that it’s a 4 megapixel camera.

          • So close! 10MP.

          • John Kitchen

            My m8 camera is better than my Droid Ultras camera in literally every situation

          • Jkdem85

            The m8 camera is more then passable and ultra pixel does work. It may not be class leading but it’s better than the Moto x. Read the article kellen cited

          • t3lancer2007

            Hasn’t HTC said that their phone was built for posting photos on social media (like Facebook or Instagram). The camera is a suitable resolution for that.

      • The Narrator

        The Camera seems to be the only downside which is disappointing.

        • E A butler

          Can the battery last a full day??? this is the question??? Aluminum means nothing if the phone doesn’t work

          • Grayson

            The new HTC One has better battery life than every other phone out now, so I would say it will last a full day. See for yourself: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7893/the-htc-one-m8-review/8

          • t3lancer2007

            Did you look at only the first graph?

          • E A butler

            I would love to own the premium build aluminum HTC one, but since I dont want to be assed out afterwork with a dead phone. I bought the cheap plastic Note 3 which last all day and then some, and I have the options to swap out my battery or clip on a doublle capacity battery … HTC used to be my favorite company, but they just dont get it.

          • cryosx

            the phone can get 6-8 hours of onscreen time

            http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2694719&page=14

          • t3lancer2007

            Screen on time doesn’t mean anything unless all phones are tested under a similar environment using the exact same brightness settings, wifi settings, etc.

          • cryosx

            Those times demonstrate the range of possibility with this phone which gives us a window into what to expect in everyday usage. And a lot of people on the forums have come to the conclusion that the battery on the new HTC One is quite good. This should relieve some of the complaints about the 2600 mAH battery being too small.

      • Arnold

        The GPE all of the sudden looks more appealing…

        • Except GPE doesn’t fix Ultrapixel.

        • Jared Tau

          …and it’s even more expensive than the carrier and dev editions.

      • peacekeeper05

        Very true.

      • nosedive94

        Ok, but it’s not as though 41MP on a Nokia phone isn’t a gimmick. Samsung’s new features on the S5 aren’t even all gimmicks. The fingerprint sensor is just catch-up to Apple, the dimpling is just poor design, and TouchWiz doesn’t even have any new flagship features. The only gimmick Samsung used this year was a heart rate monitor, and that doesn’t subtract usability from the device, unlike a bad camera.

        • It’s not a gimmick because the 41MP camera delivers great results. It’s a niche product, not a gimmick.

          • Taglogical

            It’s not 41MP, it’s interpolated (software post processing)

          • The sensor itself is a 41 MP sensor. I think you are confusing the Lumia with Oppo.

          • In the photography world, if you’re shooting anything over 12mp, you’re intending to print at larger than 24″x36″. The percentage of photos that get printed from smartphones is <1%. Therefore, gimmick.

          • Carlton Crasher

            So you’re saying ultra pixel is all that’s needed..4mp….and what about cropping again? Our cameras rely on megapixels (though it’s not a fix all) to get decent shots with such small lenses

          • Uhm. No. I never said any of that. You said that. I’m just talking about the 41 megapixel thing.

            But in theory, 4mp on a cell phone is more than adequate, since 99% of the shots are viewed on monitors and not large paper. If you need to be constantly cropping, odds are you need to work on your composition, so you’ve likely got larger problems than a small sensor.

          • Carlton Crasher

            All I’m saying is the people I know need the extra pixels. It’s not the composition it’s the lack of zoom.

          • M_F

            The Lumia 1020 shoots at 5MP by default. If you look at the many sample pictures, you will find that the 5MP pictures from the 1020 have very good detail and very low noise even under poor lighting conditions. The 41MP sensor is to enable zooming without pixelation or loss of details.

          • Its still a digital zoom on a low-mass body without proper stabilization. So the shots at full zoom (and lower megapixels) on cell phone optics still won’t yeild DSLR results.

          • M_F

            Stabilization? The 1020 has image stabilization. It doesn’t matter that the zoomed in picture is not DSLR quality, You could zoom in up to 3x, with very usable image quality. Try doing that with an iPhone, S5 or M8, you just can’t. That is the point of the 41MP, it’s not for making large prints. That is a myth that keeps getting repeated.

          • My mistake, I didn’t realize it had on board OIS. But a quick youtube search for “nokia lumia 1020 image stabilization test” reveals videos that don’t look all that difference from non OIS phones. The major reason behind this is pure mass. Something that small and light will shake in your hands no matter what. This is even more apparent when you zoom in to 3x. So again, what good is having 41 megapixels if its just going to produce “very usable image quality” at best? It’s a Gimmick. It’s an all-in on the cell phone megapixel war.

            I’m not defending any of the other phones on the market. I’d make due with whatever camera I had on a cell phone, as it’s not high on my list of priorities when choosing one. I should point out I’m also biased because I carry around a big DSLR with 5-pound lenses for work 😉

            At the end of the day, gimmicks annoy me because they make uninformed people spend more money than they need to.

          • M_F

            The OIS does work quite well for the 1020. For me personally, I find it useful in lowlight, and the OIS allows the shutter to stay open even up to 1 second. From my experience with the 1020, coming from the non-OIS 808 previously, the OIS probably gives a 1- to 2-stop advantage in lowlight. So I can take lowlight pictures at ISO 200-400 instead of having to ramp it up to 800-1600. Big difference.

            Regarding zoom. Like I said, it is a functionality that many find useful if you don’t have a big DSLR with 5-pound lenses around. Even when fully zoomed in (up to 3x), the image quality from the 1020 is still comparable to those taken with the iPhone/Galaxy (similar pixel size) without zooming.

          • Fair enough.

          • M_F

            Oh, it’s not an “all-in on cellphone megapixel war”. The problem with more and more pixels is that, if the image sensor size remains the same, then each pixel becomes smaller and smaller. Nokia deals with that by putting in a much larger image sensor, so that each of the 41 megapixels has the same pixel size as the other phones. You can’t argue with cameras with an image sensor which is 4x larger, can you?

          • As a professional photographer, I have been preaching larger sensors to folks for years, so I understand the theory, but cell phone pixels are still cell phone pixels and not DSLR pixels. But I get it. The large sensor on the 1020 has the potential of being more capable than other cell phones on the market if you absolutely need to be zooming/cropping all the time. But there are also point and shoots on the market with half the megapixels that will outperform it in every category. It’s still a compromise to stuff that hardware into a low-mass body like a cell phone. And 99% of consumers don’t understand that. They just see the specs and say “OMG 41mp?? It must take amazing pictures! Take my money!”

          • M_F

            The 1020 does take amazing pictures even for point-and-shoots. If you don’t need to zoom/crop, there is the 5MP image which has been sampled from the 41MP (with sampling factor of 7-8x). Essentially you get the same image resolution as the HTC One, except that (1) the 5 megapixels have been sampled from a sensor which is 4x larger, and (2) you have the flexibility to crop/zoom from the original 41MP file.

          • casualsuede

            Customers may say that, but most websites have indicated that the Nokia Lumia 1020 takes very detailed images. The HTC One on the other hand, appears soft in many natural light images. The Samsung GS4 has taken better pictures, even though its camera is actually fairly average.

          • Matt Isaacs

            I do print sometimes, but I crop pics alot. I use the G2 with 13mp and I cant take a quick pic of the kids doing something (gotta move fast in those moments) then crop to make it the perfect picture. I would love to have the 41mp on the 1020. Its all about how you use it. I do agree, most people wont see the difference or get any benefit.

        • ChrisAndroidUser

          I had a fingerprint scanner on my Moto Atrix, 3 years ago… but that’s besides your overall point… I was just throwing that out there so people don’t think Apple is not full of gimmicks.

          • physicsandknives

            But did it work? People actually use the fingerprint scanner on iPhone. It’s not a gimmick if it’s actually put to use. A heart rat monitor on the other hand….

          • Yea, to collect data for the NSA lol (tin foil hat on)

          • cns2007

            Are you sure? Because I know six people with the 5S, and none of them use it.

          • physicsandknives

            I don’t know about your people but I know people who do. I was surprised myself that they were comfortable using it.

        • Dave

          Somewhat true, but in all honesty, it’s gotta be hard to completely revolutionize the smartphone every 12 months.

        • Abhijeet Mishra

          The dimplimg is actually quite great in person, looks nice and feels like a million bucks in person (played with it at MWC.) Looks poor in photos, though.

        • casualsuede

          I would challenge you on the “dimpling”. Having handled both devices, the Samsung back maybe plastic, but it has a very good soft touch feel and the dimpling helps quite a bit with grip (much better than the GS4). The HTC One M8 has a real nice finish, but it is slippery as heck. The sample I had, I literally dropped twice. It was nice looking, but I found it unwieldly and actually fairly hard to hold and use in one hand.

      • Michael Suriel

        I didn’t think that a camera would be a dealbreaker… and then I got the GNex 🙁

        • I didn’t think it was that bad. It got the job done and it was the first of its kind with that instant shutter action.

        • michael arazan

          I got some decent pics from my GNex. Even in low light.

        • MasterEthan

          I’m still on a GNex and the camera isn’t that bad. I’ve had worse. And the instant shutter action is nice. I want a new phone just can’t decide which. Keep look at Moto X and LG G2 (I’d have to root LG G2 for a more stock experience).

          • Matt Isaacs

            I traded up my Nexus 5 for the LG G2 and didn’t root, but I did install the google launcher and keyboard then disabled a bunch of lg and tmo bloatware. I like the lg apps, most are pretty good. I swtched for the camera upgrade to snap pics of the kids, I couldn’t be happier with the move. G2 with google launcher, you will be happy

      • rawson815

        And PS all the rant and rave made me go get the phone today…………… Need aosp now!!!

        • t3lancer2007

          Just wait for the Google Play Edition ROM.

      • Taglogical

        I am in the camera-is-a-dealbreaker boat… But there is certainly more to a camera than the size of the image it records so does the M8 take quality pictures? My monitor is only ~ 2MP as is the phone’s display… so the shots are twice the res of the displays that I view them on… I think size-wise that is sufficient (I’m not making posters) so, how is the quality? Does it perform well in low-light? Are you gonna rock out a dance-off/photo-comparison for us? We already know it’s fast (probably the second-most important feature in a point-and-shoot)…

        • Grayson

          Your observations about the resolutions are correct in theory, but even pictures from high end DSLRs aren’t perfectly crisp at 100% crop, so in practice, I found that pictures from my HTC One even looked soft and lacked detail when viewed fullscreen on my 1440×900 Macbook Air display.

        • t3lancer2007

          If cameras were a dealbreaker, you wouldn’t have gone with Android. Even I, an Android fanboy, know that Apple has much better camera software than Android at this time.

          • Maranello Santiago

            Have you ever took pictures with newer high end Galaxy devices because I beg to differ.

      • mustbepbs

        You can turn the Samsung gimmick features off, you can’t flick a switch to make HTC’s camera usable.

      • WitnessG

        I’m with Kellen on this one. I don’t even consider the One when I’m looking for a new phone which is sad because its such a nice phone but they screwed up big time. The camera one the on the M7 was garbage for a high end phone like that and the M8 is just slightly better.

    • crazed_z06

      I think the article made an awesome points. All the samsung gimmicks that people cry about dont really affect anything. If you dont want to use them, you dont have to. You can turn them off and not worry about accidentally “activating” them somehow.

      With HTC’s Camera gimmick, they’ve ruined a pretty important feature of the smart phone. There is no getting around it and you cant turn off that gimmiack

      • 4g63mark

        Perfectly stated sir

    • NexusMan

      Lol. That’s it? Try Beats Audio, Boom Sound, Blink Feed, Ultra Pixels, Duo Camera, Sense TV, fingerprint scanner, 3D camera, tap to wake, motion launch, UFocus, Selfie mode, metal casing, Dot View case, kickstand…

      • grumpyfuzz

        Boom sound is a gimmick…?

        • NexusMan

          It’s called “BoomSound.” Yes.

          • grumpyfuzz

            How is it a gimmick? It is one of the best speakers on any smartphone, if not the best.

          • NexusMan

            Because of how it’s marketed. Its a feature that, while welcome, is not essential to the smartphone experience. It’s 2 louder, amplified front facing speakers coupled with audio processing software (1st Beats Audio, now generic), with a made up marketing name slapped on, designed to attract attention, publicity or business. That’s what a gimmick is. The Moto X, has a great, loud speaker experience, but Motorola chose not to make the Moto X’ speaker experience a gimmick.

          • PoisonApple31

            Except gimmicks are of little or no use – which speakers on a smartphone are used a lot. The attraction that BoomSound gives off is to the speakers, not the audio processing software. Might want to rethink your definition.

          • NexusMan

            Again, it is obvious that many people have associated a negative connotation to the word “gimmick,” however that connotation is actually not correctly contained within the word’s definition. A gimmick can very well be, but does not HAVE to be “of little or no use.” It’s not MY definition. It’s THE definition. I didn’t invent the word, and I didn’t invent the definition.

          • Brandon Jiang

            it’s obvious that you’re the only person who uses gimmick in that way, so do everyone a favor and shut up.

          • NexusMan

            Me, and the dictionary. I’m not speaking, moron, I’m typing. And in case you don’t know, this is where people post their comments. And I will continue to post my comments here, as long as I wish. Imbecile. And please understand, my words to you are not out of anger, they are the best words I see fit to describe you.

          • Brandon Jiang

            “shows their lack of intelligence by dropping insults” -NexusMan.
            I’ll let your quote do the speaking.

          • NexusMan

            Not an insult. A legitimate description of someone, who, when discussing smartphone features, says things like, “do everyone a favor and shut up,” in the comments section of a site, and “You’re probably one of those people who scold friends for calling each other “niggas” because, you know, by fact, it is an insult.”

          • Brandon Jiang

            since you’re talking dictionary definitions, I just gave an example of how twisted your logic was and why it was flawed. guess you didn’t understand that. If you do not believe imbecile is an insult, then I suggest you call your boss that and claim, “whoa man, that wasn’t an insult!”

          • NexusMan

            yawn

          • Brandon Jiang

            is it past your bedtime boo boo?

          • Cael

            Boomsound is a gimmick since it ruins the design of the phone and is only there just so HTC can claim it as different. They’re front facing speakers, why the hell do they need such a stupid name?

          • grumpyfuzz

            Dude, every company comes up with different names for features. And it is different, what other phone has front facing speakers? How does it ruin the design? The black bar HTC kept ruined the design, but it’s really not that big of a deal. Either way, it’s your opinion that it ruined the design anyway. The speakers are great, have you used them before?

          • Cael

            The Nexus 10 had front facing speakers. The Sony Z2 has front facing speakers. They don’t have stupid names. The HTC One is unnecessarily long.

            My HTC Rezound had awesome sound because of the beats audio but oh wait HTC sold off beats…

          • grumpyfuzz

            I said “phone” not tablet. And the Sony z2 has huge bezels making it even taller than the one. And people say the m8’s speakers without beats sound better than the original one with beats.

          • Cael

            Z2: 146.8 x 73.3 x 8.2 mm
            One (M8): 146.4 x 70.6 x 9.4 mm
            It’s only .4 mm taller than the One. It’s no where near “even taller”. That is so negligible. But guess what. The Z2 has a 3200 mAh battery and the One (M8) only has a 2600 mAh. The Z2 is 1.2 mm thinner than the One. So that .4 mm gets a pass. HTC One has no excuse.

          • illregal

            Have you seen any battery life comparisons?? I’d be willing to bet the One still does better, even with the smaller battery. It’s already proven to best 3000, and 3200mah lithium-ion batteries. Theres a difference between lithium ion and lithium polymer batteries.

          • casualsuede

            I found them to be similar. But there was one difference. I did use the Ultra Battery Savings mode once on the GS5 when I was at 10% battery and I got one additional day on the device. It was simply awesome. Until HTC launches their battery savings mode, the Samsung is FAR superior.

          • grumpyfuzz

            Actually they do have an excuse, because you said unnecessarily long… Not thinness.

          • Cael

            Since HTC made it longer there’s no reason for it get thicker.

          • grumpyfuzz

            The only reason I can say it is thicker is because of the curve, or maybe bigger battery.

          • Cael

            Most phones these days are getting thinner with bigger batteries…

          • grumpyfuzz

            Then I guess it’s because of the curve on the back…

          • LionStone

            Because they go BOOM! Who cares what they call it, they kick ass and they provide a better listening experience than any other phone.

          • Cael

            Oh they go boom? I guess we should call bombs: Boombs then.
            And call explosions: Boomsions.

          • LionStone

            lol

          • LionStone

            LOL!

          • BenG
          • NexusMan

            BenG. Wikipedia is not a legitimate source of information as it is contributed to by members of the general populous. Having said that, even your linked to wikipedia entry DEFINES gimmick as “a unique or quirky special feature that makes something “stand out” from its contemporaries.” It goes on to say “However, the special feature is TYPICALLY thought to be of little relevance or use.” Do you understand the difference? The 1st sentence is the DEFINITION. The next sentence, as indicated by the use of the words “However,” and “typically” does not indicate the definition, but what many people often choose to assign to the definition. That is absolutely no different from what I have been saying, so I’m not sure what your point is.

          • PoisonApple31

            When talking about electronics being of little or no use is certainly implied even without it being in the gimmick official definition; otherwise you are listing everything off and the word has no value, much like you did above.

          • NexusMan

            Absolutely not. And if you stop exaggerating, you know that I did NOT “list everything off.” There are other features that the HTC One has, that I did not list, that are not gimmicks. A classic example of an HTC gimmick that was actually very useful was their previous implementation of the Kickstand. It was not a necessary feature for a smartphone, but it was very useful, novel, and attention grabbing, and used to attract customers to their product. It was a gimmick, and a very welcome one. I’m not speaking of “implications,” I am speaking of fact. What you feel is implied, when I am not actually implying that, is not my problem. If you assume something from what you think I am implying, it is then my job to explain to you what I am actually saying, and tell you that I am not implying that a all. I have done that. It is then your job to understand that and move on.

          • Grayson

            Dude. NexusMan. You are missing a key word in the definition. According to Webster, a gimmick is “a method or trick that is used to get people’s attention or to sell something”, and the key word there is trick. The word originated in the 1920s and was used to describe tools magicians used to trick people. The second sensor in the new One is a gimmick because HTC is using it to trick people into thinking that they have a new and awesome camera that can make pictures look like they were taken with a DSLR, when in actuality, the second sensor does nothing to improve image quality and does not make photos look like they came from a DSLR, but rather a bad photoshop job. If the second sensor actually improved pictures like HTC would like you to believe, then it wouldn’t be considered a gimmick.

          • NexusMan

            Actually, the key word there is OR. It can be a method. OR, it can be a trick. That’s what the word OR means. It can be this thing. It can be that thing. It does not say “It is a method AND trick….” And conveniently, when quoting the dictionary, you chose to only include 1 of the definitions Webster lists. The other’s listed are as follows: “an ingenious or novel mechanical device : gadget,” “an important feature that is not immediately apparent,” “an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle.” Are front facing “BoomSound” stereo speakers with audio processing software of which HTC proclaims: “While other smartphones make do with muffled rear speakers, we aim in the opposite direction – for louder sound from a smartphone. Your HTC phone’s exclusive built-in amplifiers deliver sharp, rich sound with less distortion than average smartphones. Pumping raw power and fine detail for music, movies, clips and games through dual frontal stereo speakers for you and your friends’ ultimate listening pleasure,” not “”an ingenious and usually new scheme or angle,” that is being “used to get people’s attention or to sell something?” I’ll answer that. It is.

          • grumpyfuzz

            A gimmick is something that is heavily advertised and is something you would not use only a daily basis. And speakers on smartphones are used a lot by people. And it may not be essential to the smartphone experience, but why have a crap speaker rather than a great one? And Motorola chose not to market the speaker experience, but they sure did market other features. Motorola advertised all-day battery, whereas the HTC one M8 has battery life that can get around 5-7:30 hours of screen on time, lasting for 2 days total. HTC chooses not to market that. And as for the name, almost every single company comes up with names for features.

          • NexusMan

            Nowhere in the definition of a gimmick will you find the addendum “and is something you would not use only a daily basis.”

          • grumpyfuzz

            According to you, I guess every single feature is a gimmick. And when you are using the speakers on the HTC One, I’m sure you’re not thinking, “Wow, this is such a gimmick.” It’s not a gimmick experience, lol. And you’re right, there are speaker experiences that exist between a crap speaker and boom sound. If there is somewhere between, there is still better. Who wouldn’t want something better?

          • NexusMan

            No, not every single feature is a gimmick. For it to be a gimmick, several traits have to be present, as I have listed previously. That is why Samsung’s heart rate monitor is a gimmick, yet their baby monitor is not. The baby monitor is not beIng pushed by them as a “selling point,” its an accessibility feature, for the hearing impaired, and has yet to even be so much as mentioned by them.

          • casualsuede

            I would say that the Camera (especially the duo back camera) is a gimmick, but I don’t find BoomSound to be one. I found it very useful, even though BoomSound is a battery drain. I also didn’t find BlinkFeed to be a gimmick, because it was beneficial to me. I actually find the metal case to be a bit of a gimmick because while it was cool, I found it detrimental to use. In the sense that it got real hot and the M8 case is VERY slippery (I dropped it twice and my friend from HTC also said he dropped it several times). I find that the Samsung back, NOT a gimmick because it;s soft touch is actually very grippy (the GS4 was awful in this sense).

            I found the Ultrapixel camera to be a bit of a gimmick, not because of it;s technology (it is better in low light) but because 90%+ of my shots are in mid or regular light (daylight) and the GS5 takes much clearer and sharper images than the m8. I think for those people who like selfies will like the 5 mp front camera, but for me, I’d rather have a strong main camera than 3 mediocre ones.

          • NexusMan

            I agree with everything you said, but I do maintain my position that there are “good” gimmicks and “bad” gimmicks. A gimmick can be beneficial… like the “BoomSound” Speakers or Apple’s original “Retina Display.”

      • Brandon Jiang

        dude… do you know what a “gimmick” is? you’re just listing off features people may or may not use… a gimmick is something that is extremely hyped but has no real everyday usage.

        beats isn’t even in the M8, boomsound is just another name for “front facing speakers,” blink feed has a use it just needs work, ultrapixels/camera/3d camera/duo camera/ufocus/selfie mode are all camera related which indeed is weak, sense TV is literally just a TV app, fingerprint scanner isn’t on M8 (however not a gimmick due to beautiful execution on iphone 5s), tap to wake and motion launch (i assume you’re talking about landscape push on volume and open camera?) are insanely useful – just half baked, metal casing isn’t a gimmick at all not even going to reason why, the dot view case maaay be considered a gimmick but it’s a case… that’s like saying a phone is bad because the nexus bumpers are peel and are pretty shyt quality but no the nexus 5 is a great phone and my dd, kickstand is also a case.

        • NexusMan

          Actually, dude, I do know what a gimmick is, but clearly, you do not. A gimmick is a trick, feature, novel device, scheme, or stratagem, intended to attract attention, publicity, or business, or increase appeal. So, yes, everything I listed are gimmicks. A gimmick has absolutely nothing to do with if something has “real everyday usage.” Apple’s original “Retina Display” got “real everyday usage” and was also, a gimmick. I know Beats isn’t in the M8, as you can see from my list, I included a few things that are not in the M8, but exist in other HTC phones, intended to show off HTC’s history of gimmicks, like the horribly implemented fingerprint scanner on the One Max. A great gimmick was their kickstands on their Evos. Very useful, and well implemented, and by definition, still gimmicks. And BoomSound refers to the speakers, coupled with the audio processing software, actually. “BlinkFeed has a use,” to some people, just as some people would prefer not to have it. Just as a Baby Monitor “has a use,” to some people on the GS5 and some people could do without it. Just as BlinkFeed is not essential to the smartphone experience, and if you have a “use” for it, and since it “needs some work,” you could just download an app like FlipBoard. It’s very telling that in your own argument defending HTC, you keep referring to the features as “half baked,” or “needs work.” And the metal casing is absolutely a gimmick. There is absolutely no necessity for a metal casing on a phone, and the metal is more slippery and less durable than other materials. Drop that pretty metal casing and it is easily dented, and dinged. Furthermore, the majority of people who buy the device, will promptly tote it around, covered up in an ugly plastic case. The metal serves no real purpose but to “sell” the phone to you as a “hey, look at me, I’m premium and they are not,” stratagem, aka it’s a gimmick.

          • evilfatcow

            You sir, are dumb.

          • NexusMan

            Actually, I’d bet my SAT scores in dollars that I’m smarter than you.

          • evilfatcow

            You’re getting destroyed in this argument because you don’t understand the definition of gimmick, your examples are so far gone. Ill dissect your analysis.

            Retina screen is not a gimmick. It’s a name they dubbed their screen. Is it gimmick because other companies made screens with higher pixel density? So is Oppo Find 7’s 2k going to be considered a gimmick when they make 4k screens for phones? Apple isn’t going to say they released a retina + screen because then it makes their regular retina screen sound obsolete. The retina screen was great when it was first implemented. Being surpassed by competition doesn’t make it a gimmick.

            Their speakers are incredible. Listing them as a gimmick is completely idiotic. They’re amazing in every way possible. They named it boom sound. So what. Is everything that’s supposed to work supposed to be a gimmick? Hmmm.

            Metal body a gimmick? LOL. They wanted to make a premium phone and they’ve been making metal unibody cases for years now. No one makes phones out of metal, um yeah tell that to Apple. The iPhone is one of the most elegant phones ever crafted whether you like apple or not, and they’re made of metal. Some people don’t like cases. I personally keep mine naked. So to have you generalize that there’s no point to a phones material is stupid.

            I honest to God hope you’re trolling. I can’t even fathom someone being this stupid and claiming to have high SAT scores.

          • Brandon Jiang

            I had a small back and forth with him above. He claims that gimmicks are “a trick, feature, novel device, scheme, or stratagem, intended to attract attention, publicity, or business, or increase appeal.” (so really, anything that can be advertised is a gimmick).

            And he’s trying to force everyone to agree with his definition, despite it being fundamentally flawed. So annoying.

          • NexusMan

            Not trying to force anyone into anything. I love how you intersect yourself into a conversation of mine, yet I’M annoying. Drugs are bad. Just say no.

          • Brandon Jiang

            Funny, since you continue to insist that gimmick is synonymous with “advertisable feature.” When someone disagrees, you try to shove it down their throat.

          • NexusMan

            That’s exactly what I said. You’re right. Owned. You win the internet. The end. Bye bye.

          • NexusMan

            All of those words, and you did not understand a single one of my points, as everything you said is inaccurate. If I cared, I’d re-explain it to you, but I don’t.

          • Brandon Jiang

            You have the most comments out of everyone in this Discus comment thread. If anybody cared, it would be you.

          • evilfatcow

            Yeah. I’m really hoping this dude is trolling. Otherwise I’d feel bad winning an argument with a borderline autistic child.

          • NexusMan

            I have little interest in reexplaining myself over and over again. I’ve said what I have to say on the topic, and as soon as someone not only misunderstands what I’m saying, but shows their lack of intelligence by dropping insults as opposed to common sense, I have no further interest in re-explaining myself to them….you…him.

          • Brandon Jiang

            Nice paragraph. Don’t care, huh?

          • NexusMan

            Bye. Better?

          • Brandon Jiang

            No

          • evilfatcow

            And yet you lack a rebuttal and intelligence.

          • NexusMan

            “Otherwise I’d feel bad winning an argument with a borderline autistic child.” -evilfatcow

          • evilfatcow

            Ever heard of a throwaway username brah?

          • Brandon Jiang

            “Are you an idiot, or an idiot?”― Melina Marchetta

          • NexusMan

            And you, my friend, just lack intelligence.

          • Brandon Jiang

            Nice comeback. Just repeating what he said to you.

          • NexusMan

            Nice comeback.

          • Brandon Jiang

            Thanks.

          • NexusMan

            Thank you.

          • Cael

            Retina screen became a gimmick.

          • evilfatcow

            But it wasn’t a gimmick when it came out, it’s strictly a marketing name. There’s a difference between gimmick and obsolete. My example to that is that Oppo Find 7 came out with a 2K screen, the first phone to do so. Say in 3 years, other companies make 4K screens while Oppo chooses to stick with 2K but whatever reasons. It’s not a gimmick screen, it’s just been surpassed by the competition. Does it mean it was never good? No. Was the retina screen never good? No. It just has been surpassed by competition. I think we just rip on Apple more because they like to dub ever single feature as a name and drill it in the public’s mind.

          • Cael

            The retina screen isn’t obsolete nor am I saying it is. I said it became a gimmick. Whether they use it as a marketing name or not. Once you educate people, no one cares, which makes it more of a gimmick.
            NexusMan said it right. If it’s not necessary, not innovative, just there for the sake of marketing and to be different. It’s a gimmick.

          • You had me at “You’re getting destroyed in this argument…” because you spelled “you’re” correctly. I don’t even need to read the rest. Lol and upvote.

          • Brandon Jiang

            I suppose google now is a gimmick then? Since Google loves to show it off on their GPe and Nexus devices? No, please stop reading off the dictionary. Otherwise, anything, literally anything, can be considered a gimmick – much like how you said the kickstands were gimmicks by definition but NOT correctly applied in the context in which we call “gimmicks” here.

            Like literally, I guess using apps are gimmicks since a phone should just be for calling. Oh, that text messaging feature? Gimmick. As well as that screen. Phones don’t need screens, just buttons to dial.

            Your definition of gimmick is simply put, horrible. You basically just strayed off from the accepted term in general use to come back and disagree with everyone, only you’re not disagreeing, just using the word gimmick as something with a neutral connotation as opposed to a negative one.

            Drop the mic. Owned. I just swept the floor with NexusMan.

          • NexusMan

            Yes, GoogleNow, on the Nexus 7 is a gimmick. It is a very useful, very sophisticated gimmick, but yes, it is a gimmick for Google. Just as Siri is a gimmick for Apple. And is also very useful to may people. GoogleNow, by design, is marketed to draw attention away from Apple and Siri. And your examples, are idiotic. No, texting is not a gimmick, since every feature and smartphone does it. And no using apps on a smartphone is not a gimmick, again, because every smartphone can do it. Again, for the learning challenged, like yourself, a gimmick is a feature that you use to differentiate yourself, draw attention to yourself and drum up business for yourself. My definition of gimmick cant be horrible because it is the ACTUAL definition of gimmick, not what, in your own words, “applied in the context in which we call “gimmicks” here.” I’m speaking in actual fact. I could care less what you choose to “apply in the context…” Your mic is off. You own nothing.

          • Brandon Jiang

            I’m not even going to bother replying. You’re probably one of those people who scold friends for calling each other “niggas” because, you know, by fact, it is an insult.

            Remember those old ads? “Droid Does Apps.” By your definition, apps are a gimmick, since they were used to market the device and “increase appeal”. Also, you must be 10 years old or something because the very first cellular phones did not have SMS capabilities and text messaging did not really become standard until the 1990s.

          • NexusMan

            Now, that was an idiotic response.

          • Brandon Jiang

            Touche fuc ker

          • NexusMan

            You’re intelligence continues to shine.

          • Brandon Jiang

            *your

            ouch

          • NexusMan

            Don’t even know what that means. And don’t care.

          • Brandon Jiang

            Your lack of intelligence continues to appall me. Who knew someone could be so dull?

          • NexusMan

            I did, when I started reading your comments.

          • Brandon Jiang

            Probably started when your parents dropped a brick on your head, actually.

          • NexusMan

            And you continue to impress!

          • Brandon Jiang

            It’s easy to infer these things, no need to be impressed.

          • Wow

            Well judging by the fact that you just pasted that definition from a google search…

          • NexusMan

            So what’s the debate? Since you just did a Google search, to look up the word, you now know the proper definition of gimmick too.

        • casualsuede

          The problem with the metal unibody is that the metal is very slippery to hold (I had a M8 for a 15 minutes that was given to play with and I dropped it twice). The Samsung, while not as
          “cool”, I found to be very soft touch like (felt great) and grippy.

      • nosedive94

        Notice that Kellex didn’t refer to those as gimmicks, because they actually work. Make no mistake, Kellex, they ARE gimmicks. You just don’t care because they’re not CRAPPY gimmicks.

    • peacekeeper05

      Part of the gimmick is saying Samsung did not try to innovate on the GS5 when HTC themselves did not even change something significant in the original htc one. What’s new? Just a rounder shape, an unimpressive duo camera and a micro sd card support.

  • moew

    When is MS buying them

  • Nicholas Ruiz

    Shots fired!

    • The Narrator

      Nobody will ever be as bad as Samsung.

      • MicroNix

        I think you rank right up there.

        • The Narrator

          Good to know. Tell me more.

      • pancham

        Didn’t know Peter Chou posts on DL

      • Dave

        It must be your lucky day here. You are far worse than Samsung period. You seriously need to start thinking before trying something, that’s just an FYI for you.

        • Dave

          *typing*

        • Jon DeMarie

          Samsung sucks…. they have so much bloat and annoying nature sounds…. are you kidding me? i feel like i NEED to root the phone in order to use it…. thats sad! I never thought Id leave my moto x but the M8 made it easy! btw ive had every samsung phone since the gnexus.

          • Chris Hannan

            Every Samsung phone since the Galaxy Nexus? How did you afford dozens, if not hundreds of phones in just a few years?

          • Jon DeMarie

            lol ur right im lying on the internet…….. i run our companies verizon account (112 lines) so as i upgrade people they get my old phones…. real hard concept huh

          • Chris Hannan

            Yeah it’s weird how you’d own something like the Galaxy S4 from last year and then trade it in for the Galaxy S III mini VE which just recently came out. Why would you trade in a decent phone for a budget phone?

          • Chris Hannan

            That’s a lot of Samsung phones to own.

          • Jon DeMarie

            I don’t see why you’re being such a narrow minded consumer. its a big company we have people in the field in the office buss execs… people need different things. Part of my job is setting them up and making sure they are efficient which means I need to know hwo to use it first…. So if you wish to troll do it somewhere.

          • Chris Hannan

            I’m not being narrow minded. I just don’t believe you’ve had every Samsung phone since the Galaxy Nexus. Maybe a lot of the popular ones, but not every budget phone they’ve released all over the world over the years.

          • Jon DeMarie

            opinions are like assholes… every1 has 1 but i’m glad yours is based of an idea you have and not facts. happy trolling

          • Chris Hannan

            I’m not trolling. You simply haven’t owned every samsung phone. Lol Every Samsung phone hasn’t even been released in any given country. You’d have to have certain phones imported, and I know you haven’t done that to own every Samsung budget phone, unless you’re the biggest Samsung fanboy there is.

      • t3lancer2007

        At least the HTC phones are god awful ugly. Samsung just can’t make a good looking phone to save its life.

        • Most people use a case regardless of the phone, so why does it matter?

          • illregal

            You can’t cover the front with a case…

          • HTC and Samsung, as well as others have cases with flip covers.

          • casualsuede

            Yeah, the front of the phones look fairly similar when you have most of the phone wrapped in a plastic case.

      • pyro74boy .

        I disagree completely and when compared to HTC I have had much better luck with Samsung,

    • tyguy829

      Maybe they’ll let DL into their special HTC frequencies group now since praising BlinkFeed didn’t work

    • K

      HTC clearly pissed Kellen off 😀 I don’t blame him though. The lumia cameras are proof you don’t need “ultrapixel” technology to have great shots in almost all conditions. Poor HTC. Sexy build quality but that’s about it.

      • Jkdem85

        There’s more to sexy build the phone is super smooth. Even the tactile feed back is better than any other phone I have ever used.

        • thecokedragon

          Yes, that’s definitely enough to warrant the purchase of the M8.

        • Gideon Waxfarb

          If you want a super smooth phone with a crappy camera, why not just get a Nexus 5 and save yourself some $$?

          • Grayson

            Actually the Nexus takes superior pictures in many situations.

          • Cory

            Not according to the blind comparison done by Phone Arena.

          • cizzlen

            Because not everyone wants a Nexus?

          • Gideon Waxfarb

            I was replying to the guy who lauded the HTC One for having a super smooth experience, as if it were unique to that phone. The Nexus 5 has this too, is a lot cheaper, and will be just as durable, despite not being made of aluminum.

          • illregal

            Just as durable?????? kindly go watch drop and hammer tests on both. nexus 5 is just as fragile as a samsung.

          • chris125

            Samsung isn’t really that fragile. The metal HTC uses really isn’t that durable. Not to mention one drop and your phone is done. At least with samsung you can buy a cheap replacement back if it gets scratched up..

          • illregal

            You do realize an electronic insurance company named squaretrade rates these things right? The S4 was last years most breakable device.. The HTC one was the least breakable. And the m8 is even better as far as being even less fragile.

          • cizzlen

            Oh I gotcha. Different strokes for different folks though.

          • Cory

            Only the camera isn’t crappy.

          • Jkdem85

            I would if I wasn’t locked to Verizon

      • malcmilli

        yes except its every bit the phone every other phone is (sans the camera)… with sexy build quality ontop. Stop acting like build quality is all the phone can do.

        • Gideon Waxfarb

          Except it’s $200+ more expensive than the Nexus 5. Is having a microSD card slot and boomsound really worth that much extra expense?

          • malcmilli

            Not for me but boom sound and SD card slot and SIGNIFICANTLY better battery life and design and camera features and carrier availability and the fact that a minority of people pay for retail pricing of their devices might sway someone to get it. I’d do it for battery life alone.

      • BustaArmov

        We went to the Verizon store to get new phones yesterday. After my wife took a bunch of photos with both the M8 and S5, and she thought there was no comparison. She said, “It looks like someone smeared Vasoline on the lens in comparison, especially if you zoom in”. The M8 might be able to take better pictures in near total darkness, but the S5 focuses faster and does fine in low light.

        Also, the M8 seemed to have more directional signal reception, which makes sense as the back blocks signal from one direction, and focuses it like a parabolic mirror in the other…if you have it pointed within a couple of degrees of the tower. Metal backs are the biggest gimmick of all, because they’re downright stupid on a device with internal antennae, and force a lot of unnecessary engineering to work around it. I think this is one reason why the phone is as long as a Galaxy Note 3 with a screen slightly smaller than an S5.

        But you know, it’s splitting hairs. Both phones are pretty freakin’ amazing when your last phones were a GNex and Stratosphere. If we were on iOS, we wouldn’t have such choices.

    • KingofPing

      So glad I don’t care at all about the cameras on these things…

      I get to sit back and laugh at all of the drama caused by them.

      Have fun, guys!

      *grabs popcorn*