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HTC’s Jason Mackenzie Calls Samsung’s Galaxy S5 a “Product Built Out of Cheap Plastic”

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In wake of the launch of HTC’s 2014 flagship, the One (M8), a lot of Android talk has turned to “One (M8) vs. Galaxy S5,” with executives from both companies not shying away from the subject. We have already seen a friendly Twitter rivalry between HTC’s Jeff Gordon and Samsung’s Phillip Berne, but now the attention has shifted over to to Jason Mackenzie, President of HTC America.

Mackenzie is quoted by Business Insider as saying, “If you want to buy a product built out of cheap plastic, there’s a solution for you” when questioned about Samsung’s flagship, and goes on to mention that “[HTC is] a company that invests in our customers and delivers a beautifully designed product that you can feel proud of.”

Even though Mackenzie makes some fairly large claims about the S5, sales will likely still be extraordinarily high given Samsung’s marketing prowess, likely resulting in less-than-hoped sales of the One (M8). Although, the year is still young, with plenty of time for consumers to decide which device they will be choosing.

Nevertheless, J-Mac, you’re on the right track. Just scrap the new ads, will ya?

Via: Business Insider
  • Lumia Nexus

    HTC, you need to KNOW that it is all about Customer Service and Samsung has better customer service than HTC so stop this nonsoense of build quality specially when most people change phones every 6 to 9 months.

    • Adrynalyne

      Do you spend a lot of time on the phone with Samsung?

      I don’t think build quality is nonsense either. I want to have a choice whether to upgrade or wait, not have it forced upon me.

      Also, most people do not upgrade every 6-9 months. Most finish their contract.

  • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

    you sammy fan boys need to relax…what he said is 1000% true…get over the fact you paid all that money for market and fluff you got a half assed build device with a nice screen and “fun” features…this phone is actually worth the money you invested in it…its a premium built device that id very much consider it my next phone if i needed one…besides the whole way to tall nonsense i like a higher screen to phone ration…htc marketing department is whats killing them…id very much like to see them come back into the fold…u guys critisize them call them a dying company how about lets see how they do with the m8 before u say oh u suck oh ur companys dead oh sammy better blah…and sammy is to big to fail they dont only produce mobile products like htc they have much more capital and market awareness to work with

    • PoisonApple31

      lmao – spoken like a skeptical HTC fanboy

      • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

        im not a htc fanboy i have no connection or loyalty to them at all…i just respect what they trying to do…their trying to build a premium device…samsung just trying to mass produce an inferior product and force feed it down everyones throat claiming its the next big thing and the masses eat it up like ice cream…just like the masses eat up apples nonsese…bc the masses are stupid…sammy fanboys are no better then apple fanboys your all sheep

    • http://www.ytmnd.com MH

      Thing is, the M7 was built from cheap aluminum. Everyone assumes metal = premium….but that’s hardly the case with the M7. The M8 is a big step up (both in the grade of aluminum used and the machining done to it). I’ll wait until I get an S5 in hand to see if they cheaped out (a’la S3/S4) or went more upmarket (like the note series).

      • Adrynalyne

        So flimsy plastic vs cheap aluminum.

        I just like seeing the choices. Same ol look gets tiresome.

        • http://www.ytmnd.com MH

          I’d hardly call the newest Sammy phones flimsy. Choices are good, but HTC needs to focus more on fixing sense vs hardware choices. Or they could just make GPE phones with brilliant hardware (and less bezel) and get out of dire straits.

          • Adrynalyne

            Take the back off. I’ve yet to see a recent Samsung phone that didn’t have a flimsy battery cover. It is all personal preference when choosing materials, but I’ve seen more sturdy egg cartons than Samsung battery doors/covers.

          • http://www.ytmnd.com MH

            When it’s attached, the phone feels 100% solid. That’s what matters.

          • Adrynalyne

            Yeah, like I said, user preference. I don’t care for it myself, but respect that others don’t mind.

          • http://www.ytmnd.com MH

            Actually, what you said is the plastic feels flimsy. It most certainly does not when the back cover is attached. Not on any recent galaxy device, in fact, does the device feel flimsy. They feel equally as solid as any recent HTC device (plastic or metal).

            Now, the shiny plastics on the S3 and S4 may not look as nice, but the solidity is what’s in question…not the aesthetics. I’m all for choices, just not making false claims about phone chassis ridgidity because of build material.

          • cryosx

            Well, the plastic is soft to the touch. The metal on the One not so much. I would consider the One more “solid”.

  • flosserelli

    Girls… Girls… You are both pretty!

    Well the one on the right not so much.

  • jimbob

    Oh snap!!!

    • jimbob

      Forgot this….

  • bionicwaffle

    The thing is, inexpensive plastic is not a bad material for a phone casing. Unlike metal you have no issue with radio interference and it weighs less.

    • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

      stop…maybe if you worked out a lil instead of being a skinny hipster youd be able to handle 8 grams of phone and they made a point to mention they designed the phone for zero radio interference…so wheres your argument?

      • bionicwaffle

        Wow…Ok, let me clarify. I don’t thing the One M8 is a bad phone at all. If I was in the market for a new phone I would strongly consider it. HTC gave it a good sized battery, and I like the way it has a MicroSDXC card slot. I much prefer LCD or OLED displays so I think HTC did the right thing there as well. I didn’t say that I thought it was heavy or that it has problems with radio interference. I was commenting on build materials in general. I know a few people who have One’s and have had no problems with the radios. The only evidence I’ve heard of radio “problems” was with the NFC being kind of picky as far as how/where it’s held near the target based on one review I read. It’s a fact that depending on how you hold a phone with a metal case relative to where a tower/other target is there will be a weaker signal than if they used plastic or Kevlar for instance. I think HTC has managed to place the antenna’s well enough that the chance of that happening is so small that it’s basically a non-issue. For some metal may be the selling point. I’m suggesting that most people complain more about plastic than they should.

        As far as weight goes I’m not looking for the lightest, or smallest for that matter, phone. I am saying that for a mobile device there is value to less weight in general. That’s just a fact for any mobile device.

        My statement was meant to be general, not HTC One M8 specific. People knock plastic all the time like it’s “cheap” or a bad choice. I’m saying there are very logical reasons for choosing plastic on a mobile device. 1. it’s light weight, 2. antenna engineering is simplified, 3. it’s inexpensive, 4. while it may scratch a good plastic handles falls well, usually without breaking. My Maxx HD uses Kevlar which I think is a great choice for a build material. Metal, when done right like HTC apparently does, could be a good option.

        • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

          damn….my apologies

      • http://www.ytmnd.com MH

        It’s impossible to have zero interference. That’s called Marketing Jargon.

      • Adrynalyne

        I think you can get your point across without insults, don’t you?

        • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

          theoretically possible, yes

  • guest

    Hey jason, you work for a dead company.

    • bionicwaffle

      Dead companies don’t release excellent products. A strong case could be made that the HTC One M8 is an excellent product.
      1. While battery size is somewhat subjective the 2600mAh battery should be enough to get most anyone through a busy day.
      2. Not every phone allows you to expand your internal storage these days. Having a MicroSDXC slot to add 128GB now and maybe more down the road is pretty awesome.
      3. You can complain about a 4MP camera but you probably can’t find a camera that has better low-light performance
      4. I don’t think any mobile device with a better front-facing camera than the one in the M8
      5. No phone has better speakers, and I think the mic is much better than average as well.
      6. It hard to find a great phone with an LCD display these days. I prefer non-PenTile LCD to OLED because they are brighter, making them better for outdoor use, and the whites are whiter. I don’t really care that OLED gives a better contrast ratio or blacker blacks. I notices the off blacks less than the off whites and the contrast ratio of today’s LCDs is good enough for me. Also, LCDs use less power in most situations than OLEDs at the same brightness level.
      7. You can disable Blink-Feed easily now but I actually like some of the features of the new Blink-Feed.

      This is a quality, high-end phone. It couldn’t come from a dead company. I do hope it can help turn HTC’s financial situation around.

      The only thing I don’t really like about the One M8 is the fact that it has on-screen buttons instead of having them in the unused space below the screen where there is nothing but an HTC logo. Even if the HTC Logo was the home button and the task switch and back buttons were on either side that would be fine. To me as is it’s a waste of front-facing real-estate on the device, especially when it’s so tall.

  • RaptorOO7

    Just how many “cheap plastic” phones did HTC make and continues to make. Trying to be like apple in reinventing themselves as the aluminum phone company and yet still producing cheap plastic phones.

    • bionicwaffle

      I think there is a strong argument that Apple’s never made a well designed phone. They just have great marketing.

      1. Before the iPhone 4 they were behind on resolution, I had Windows Mobile phones with 480×640, double the resolution of the first iPhones, for years before there was any iPhone.
      2. I had 3G on my Windows Mobile phone long before the iPhone 3G came out.
      3. They have stuck with small screens far too long. I’ve tried had all different screen sizes over the years, from 2.8″ to 4.0″, before the first iPhone and knew that I didn’t want anything smaller than 4″ again by the time the first iPhone came out
      4. They’ve designed antenna’s badly, making it easy to hurt reception significantly due to basic physics
      5. They’ve used metal in places where they shouldn’t, hurting signal for wifi
      6. They all have small batteries and Apple chooses to make their phones thinner instead of giving it a much larger battery.
      7. No iPhone has allowed you to add internal storage
      8. They don’t support standards like USB for charging or NFC for transfers. I can exchange contacts and URLs with Windows Phones via NFC but not with iPhones. Also, who knows when they’ll change their charging cable again.
      9. Glass on the back is just a bad idea. A phone shouldn’t have more glass than it needs. It’s just a fact that glass will break more easily than most plastics, metals, and Kevlar.
      10. I think all Apple mobile devices are overpriced

      I do give Apple points for always having a great rear-facing camera, at least since the iPhone 4, and for not using OLED displays.

      That’s just the hardware design. Don’t even get me started on the OS.

      My point is please don’t give Apple any credit. They get far more credit than they deserve already. It sure seems to me like HTC has made metal phones better than Apple ever did.

      Fwiw I have a Droid Razr Maxx HD for personal use and an iPhone 5s for work. I had a Droid X before the Maxx HD and an iPhone 5 before the 5s.

  • creed

    Ah yes, cheap plastic…because HTC has been using metal for decades.

    • cryosx

      At least they stepped up their game last year…

  • cooldoods

    Mobile phones have been built using plastic for decades. Apple built one from glass and aluminum and suddenly plastic is not good enough?

    The sad thing is that HTC can’t make much headway into Samsung’s market share even while trying to emulate Apple’s love for metals.

  • Wesley Kennedy

    If HTC produced a phone with a decent camera, I think they would sell a few more phones. You should see the reactions I get when I tell prospective buyers about the camera. People want a replacement point and shoot, not a camera that they can barely take selfies with. I am excited to see what Motorola and LG do this year to stay competitive.

  • http://Google.com/+boojay boo Jay

    HTC, you f*cked us, now it’s your turn.

  • Jack

    Build quality on the galaxy line is fine by Mr because I put my phone in a case anyways. No point in having a beautiful unibody if it’s just under a case, might as well get a phone with something else to show off.

  • Kiyoshi Richards

    I own the HTC One 2013 edition. The original release version before Nokia removed parts. I now own a galaxy note 3.

    A few reasons why. Before I move on just know I still have the one. I didn’t sell it because it has many uses. FM radio, tv remote etc.

    But the most important thing that made me leave the one is…..

    The battery. It was not removable. Supposedly by holding the power key down it simulated removing the battery.

    Some calls I would get the phone would lock up. The person on the other side I didn’t want to talk to. We all know those days.

    But the phone would stay on the call. The screen would go black. Just brick while connected until the other person hung up or the phone died.

    I had no way to remove the battery. I would hold the power button for minutes and the damn phone would get fire hot.

    2nd. The camera.

    Outside it was OK. Pretty decent job. Up close shots were very soft. It still is better than my note 3 in low light. But not much. And the note 3 is many times better in every other aspect.

    I respect what HTC has done. I honestly loved the phone but those few times it locked up. The limited memory sucked.

    I have no desire to buy another non note phone again. Unless the screen gets bigger. From now on its an out a better screen on the note I hope.

    I don’t want a phone that’s too big.

  • Spinach Chin

    Nice phone.

    I’m sure they’ll sell hundreds of these.

  • Feed Jake

    Those are big words coming from such a small market share.

    • LionStone

      True, but HTC has to be bold now right… and regardless of market share, it’s true what he says anyway.

      • PoisonApple31

        Right, win the battle, lose the war…

      • Stone Cold

        I don’t agree in what he says is the truth he is saying what he feels is the truth.

        • LionStone

          Well the plastic certainly isn’t expensive…

  • Michael Hammond

    It’s funny how all dying companies unleash a landslide of verbal slurs against the competition when they’re failing hardcore ….. Apple does it all the time!

    • Adrynalyne

      Apple isn’t dying though.

  • mt112000

    at least that cheap plastic can still take good pictures

  • Gideon Waxfarb

    Yes, I want to buy a phone made out of cheap plastic, because it’s just as durable and doesn’t scratch as easily. LOL, what a jackass. No wonder iPhone users are attracted to HTC phones – they like shiny things.

  • ABHISHEK JAISWAL

    At Rs 51,000 we believe the product should long stand thus there is demand for metal casted phone ( eg iPHONE) , apart from strength it looks elegant. Hope Samsung will listen.

  • coolsilver

    Nokia = Brick tank phones made of all plastic

  • https://twitter.com/HeyCutieSoyAlex Ani Torres

    If HTC designed the phones for Samsung and Google made them keep it stock Android, I’d be in heaven.

  • Alfredo Manuel Gonzalez II

    It may be cheap plastic but it has a better camera, records in 4k, real time Hdr, oh yeah waterproof! S5 wins on that alone!

    • cryosx

      did you not see the m8 water test?

  • iNfAMOUS70702

    The man may be correct but in reality he’s just bitter that his company’s phone will get massacred by the S5

  • Suman Gandham

    I wonder if all these leaks were architected by HTC to get the M8 hype train rolling fast, and overshadow all the S5 news… #tinfoilhat

    • n900mixalot

      They always are. ALWAYS. If they weren’t you’d see blogs and individuals being sued by manufacturers.

  • Danny

    As much as I love android … And HTC.. it seems to me that HTC copied apple don’t get mad just think about it the aluminum … IPhone 5 … The ‘gold’ color way … Seriously think about it and don’t get mad

    • Chris M

      Uhm…. Samsung is literally getting sued and losing for copying Apple.

      • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

        this^

  • Brock Johnson

    I’ve went from Galaxy Nexus to S3 to s4 to Moto X now to the M8 …love the design and feel. the camera was a worry point but is holding up for what I do so far. The premium feel and build quality has sold me. My wife will be getting the s5 so in a month I’ll be able to draw a real conclusion myself. These fanboy vs fanboy arguements do nothing

  • MrUnkownBeast

    Absolutely right, samsung products are cheaply made, so much so that even the speaker grilles dont line up. HTC is taking it a step further. The only reason samsung comes out ahead is because of marketing and a wide variety of devices, not just premium luxury like HTC. If HTC grows their portfolio they can gain the lead with market share

    • NexusMan

      The original One had “cheap plastic” that wrapped around it and changed colors.

    • n900mixalot

      You’re dreaming. Grows their portfolio with what? More UltraPixel embarrassments and last year’s camera? More canceled phones or Facebook phones? Tablets that exist for a few months and cost an arm and a leg?

      This is supposed to be their one flagship device. And yet somehow, only the same exact people from last year want them.

      • LionStone

        Did you know that not even HTC feels their flagship is going to pull in more market share. It’s by mid range devices globally. MrUnknownBeast is spot on!

        • Stone Cold

          Until the mid-range devices come out it is way to early to say HTC will rebound. HTC is pinning their hopes on getting people to use their devices. Like others have said here marketing is what is winning between Sammy and HTC. After seeing that new Blah Blah Blah commercial with Gary Oldman. Nothing about it makes me want to go purchase The All New HTC One.

    • PoisonApple31

      HTC also has a “wide” variety of devices. http://www.phonearena.com/htc/new-phones

      Since when does Verizon or any carrier for that matter sell “premium luxury” new devices BOGO on release? It’s not like Verizon is worried about getting more contracts signed.

  • J2886M

    Lot of comments for something I feel we all have thought at least once. Just so happens HTC called them out publicly about it. That’s a win in my book. Awaiting Apple to use that statement for their ip6 release.

  • NexusMan

    And if you want a product with a cheap camera, HTC’s One is for you. Hey Jason Mackenzie, your camera is garbage, your specs are inferior, and your “beautifully designed” product gets damaged and dinged easier than, and is not water and dust resistant like Samsung’s “cheap plastic.” How about actually selling a couple units to ANYONE before firing shots.

    • BMC123

      water test online had the htc one working after about an hour and a half being submerged in water (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhwvXTVQoPM). thats pretty water resistant if you ask me. and from the camera comparisons I’ve been seeing online, the camera is actually quite good

      • NexusMan

        We’ve clearly been looking at different sites online.

    • Chris M

      Lmao…..since when did anyone care about dust proof phones? Hilarious.

      • NexusMan

        Not as hilarious as you think. It seems you misunderstood my point. My point is none of the “cheap” plastic items I have ever owned have been dust and water resistant. “Cheap” items don’t have those features, because they’re “cheap.”

        • LionStone

          Great now you can have a cheap plastic phone that’s water and dust resistant. And i think you know by now the M8 is pretty water resistant simply by its sealed design.

          • NexusMan

            As opposed to a cheap metal one? What’s your point? Heard the 2nd report today of The All New One, getting messed up in a matter of days. After a single week, Phil Nickinson of Android Central dropped his device because it’s so freaking slippery, and it already is all dented and scuffed. Another reviewer said just today, that after 4 days, his One looks dirty, and he even tweeted an HTC rep that he hates the material. And lets not even start on that plastic band around the original One that was white for like one day, and then quickly turned into a disgusting yellow/green, brown mess. People are so funny, as if the One is made out of Gold, Platinum or Titanium. It’s not. It’s cheap. If it wasn’t a cheap metal phone, people wouldn’t buy cases to protect it.

          • LionStone

            It’s fine that you call it cheap metal, but it doesn’t ‘feel’ cheap which is all the difference! My DNA is made with cheap plastic too, but it’s how they did it! It feels solid and I thought it felt heavier than the M8 but it’s actually lighter.

          • NexusMan

            Oh, you own the Galaxy S 5?…

    • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

      all i ready was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

  • a) youth.in.asia

    Yes, and it looks like HTC just recycled the chassis of the original One (M7) and just cut a hole in the top for the additional camera

    • William Oh

      Which feels weaker than it’s predecessor… which had just one camera. Pretty disappointing, guess we’ll have to wait and see more photo galleries and tests.

  • bennybem

    No people will buy the S5 because it has the better 801 processor clocked at 2.5, the bigger battery 2800 vs 2600, Replaceable battery, high speed usb 3.0 vs 2.0, fingerprint scanner, heart rate monitor. Bigger screen.

    Htc yes your metal and better looking … but better ummm nope.

    • BMC123

      i thought the m8 got better benchmark ratings

      • William Oh

        There’s no way to confirm yet, as the GS5 is not officially released outside of South Korea. It may be, who knows.. but i can guarantee that it won’t be by much..

        • Marikel

          How to confirm:
          Step 1. Go to Best Buy
          Step 2. Download benchmarking app on display phone
          Step 3. Run benchmark

          There ya go :D

      • wagner

        The spec war is over!

        • 213ninja

          ^^moto X owner

    • William Oh

      tbh, 801 processor at different clock speeds is not a deal breaker for most consumers; in the end they’ll both be fast and functional, most of the deciding factor heavily focused on android touchwiz or sense. & yeah i agree, htc stands out much more but usb 3.0 , ip67, and fingerprint scanner all the way!

      • J2886M

        How much does the 801 have over the 800? How noticeable will it be for average to mid level consumer? Feel with proper software configurations for the 800 it definitely could have a longer life as top piece of hardware. I dunno, suppose I don’t know what I’m saying anyways. Troll on

        • William Oh

          I believe the snapdragon 801 is a minor performance boost from the 800. I think it’s just clocked higher at around 2.5 ghz compared to the 2.25 ghz of the 800. GPU was boosted as well. though the major contender is the upcoming 805

    • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

      Mmmmk, so up until now, most of the comments I’ve seen have been pretty spot on about what normal consumers see when they choose between HTC or Samsung. However, I can’t ignore this because this is wrong on multiple levels.

      1) Higher clock speed – Yea, because average consumers really care about that.
      2) 2800 vs 2600 mAh – That’s less than an 8% difference… And that’s to compensate for TouchWiz no doubt.
      3) USB 3.0 – What does an average consumer need to have 3.0 on their phone for? They don’t. Granted, that doesn’t mean they won’t think they need it, but still.
      4) Fingerprint scanner – Oh, give me a break. We mocked Apple for it, and now it’s awesome?
      5) Heart rate monitor – There’s an app for that.
      6) Bigger screen – Seeing as many people like the iPhone’s form factor and smaller screen, I don’t think this counts.

      AND, the M8 is a much more premium device. If an average joe, who had never held a smartphone before, walked into a store and picked up the S5 and the M8, hands down he/she would choose the M8. How could they not? It just LOOKS way cooler/better.

      • NexusMan

        When discussing the higher capacity battery (which it absolutely is), do not ignore the fact that that higher capacity battery is also replaceable. So not only will you get that additional juice, but you can then, pop it out, and switch it, and keep it moving…And I know NO ONE who likes the iPhone’s screen. I know many people who own iPhones and love them, and won’t switch from them…and NONE of them like the small screen.

        • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

          Fair point. However, do you really think the average consumer carries around a spare battery?

          • NexusMan

            I don’t know what the average consumer does (and clearly neither does HTC, or they’d be selling some phones), but what I DO know is that the average consumer CAN carry around a spare battery if they want to, if they own a Samsung phone.

          • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

            I’m not talking about what they can do. I’m talking about what they will likely do.

          • NexusMan

            And again, unlike you, apparently, I don’t have psychic abilities. But that’s a great gift you got there, you should put it to better use.

          • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

            Haha it’s not about being psychic. It’s my prediction.

          • NexusMan

            And unless you have some psychic gift, your prediction as to what any of millions of people, of whom you do not know, want from or will do with their batteries, over the course of their phone’s contract, is meaningless.

          • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

            According to you. Relax dude, I’m allowed to have my opinions about the general population. If you don’t like them, fine. If you think I’m wrong, let’s discuss. But seeing as we’ve beat this to the bush already, I think we can simply agree to disagree.

          • NexusMan

            Of course. It should have ended when you asked me if I think the average consumer does something, and I answered I don’t know what they do, but I know they can. There really was no need for you to have continued past that point.

          • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

            My whole point was based purely on speculation of what people do. I didn’t care if people can remove the battery and replace it. That doesn’t mean a majority will utilize it. And if that is the case, then the feature is lost on millions of people. But, a feature like a strong unibody that you simply CAN’T ignore because you notice every time you pick up the phone, is a feature that, in my opinion, everyone can appreciate. That was my point. And up until now, I may not have made it crystal clear. My apologies. I didn’t know I had to.

          • NexusMan

            I understand your point. On the opposing side while metal looks good, I feel it serves no real purpose because the majority of people will cover it in a plastic case, and I’d rather a plastic phone that handles a fall much better than a thin aluminum one.

          • 213ninja

            that was good.

          • NexusMan

            Thanks.

          • coolsilver

            Spare battery no but in 12-18 months when battery may start losing some life or failing they will want to replace it.

          • Stone Cold

            Some do yes but I think it is becoming less and less.

        • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

          dude…replacing batteries is so 2008…grow up peter pan keep carrying extra batteries in your pocket since your so important

          • Cael

            Replacing batteries is not 2008. Thunderbolt with its 1400 mAh in 2011. The Rezound with its 1620 mAh in November 2012. Yeah thats 4 years later and HTC was using crappy small batteries that didn’t last long.

          • NexusMan

            That’s the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard. Who are you? Alicia Silverstone? You’d rather have a dead phone, then a working one, because “replacing batteries is so 2008?” I, actually, have a Moto X, so I currently don’t replace batteries, nor do I need to. But if I did, I certainly wouldn’t shy away from it because you say it’s “so 2008.” I’d much rather have a charged phone, then run around asking everyone “do you have a charger?”

      • NexusMan

        Because different people have different tastes. I had a co worker last year, who owns the S 4, who thought HANDS DOWN the S4 was a better looking and designed device than the HTC One. Different strokes….

        • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

          I totally agree that everyone has their own opinion. I was only saying that on average, I think most people would pick the M8 over the S5, sheerly based on look and feel, disregarding specs.

          • 213ninja

            you’re basically predicting that the M8 will outsell the S5…that’d be neat.

            also, to your bullets, you know these phones aren’t marketed to phone dorks, so the numbers don’t matter. what will be sold is “faster and smoother”, “bigger battery”, “faster charging/data transfers”, “bigger screen to enjoy your movies”…..those are legit selling points. i’m not even saying they are all 100% accurate or appeal to everyone, i’m just saying the numbers do not matter. so, that dudes list is legit if you break it down into laymans terms.

          • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

            Possibly. I would never try to insult someone like Verizon’s sales representatives by saying they couldn’t make them into selling points. That’s probably the one thing they are good at, because we know they’re not good with phones.

          • NexusMan

            I don’t think that’s true. People love Samsung phones. They’re not checking for HTC. I, actually, don’t like the look of the New One, though I really did like the original One. I said it, before this New One was announced, that HTC needed to really bring something game changing or spectacular to the table to move this phone, and it turns out they didn’t. If people didn’t buy it the last time around, why would they buy it now? Name one thing about this new phone, that would make the average consumer who passed on last year’s model, want to say all of a sudden, “NOW I’m dropping Samsung!”

        • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

          she obviously has bad taste so her opnion is invalid…plus shes prob ugly

          • NexusMan

            I just commented on another post of yours, saying that was the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Now, I read this, and take that back.

          • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

            You know what? I googled it and found out that your not the real nexusman! So what u say is invalid you big phony you

          • NexusMan

            And I found out you’re not really a cartoon character!

      • Cael

        The only premium thing about the M8 is the build material. It’s already been outspec’d. HTC should have pulled a Sony and released this in Q4 of last year.

    • https://www.facebook.com/christopher.johnsc chris_johns

      i found it painful to read after your comment about “it has the better 801 processor”…bc ones better then the other even though they’re exactly the same processor…lol i cant even

      • PoisonApple31

        He’s saying its better because in the S5 it is clocked higher than the One. It’s really not that hard to follow the comment.

  • Dave

    After holding one, I’d like to see what gauge the metal is. Just because it’s metal doesn’t mean much, when it’s ultra thin and dents and shows scratches really easy.

    • William Oh

      Yeah, I actually went to Verizon to take a look myself and the phone felt so light and thin that the metal didn’t really do the phone any justice. The iPhone is made of glass/metal and it feels more premium and heftier despite being smaller, if that makes any sense.

      • Chris M

        0 sense. I also went to vzw to Check out the m8 and it felt way better than the iPhone. Felt like a real phone.

    • LionStone

      Don’t drag your smartphone through the gravel, should be fine hehe

  • William Oh

    What good is an aluminum shell if even HTC themselves supply a f–kin ugly ars case iN THE BOX. I mean, that’s the reality.. a phone is a phone and should function as a phone not a beauty product. The phone is usually in the palm of your hand or on it’s back on a table, so what does it matter if it’s made of polycarbonate or metal? the HTC even wobbles on a table… & in my opinion, plastic is longer lasting than HTC’s metal body.. (in terms of damage resistance)

    • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

      “not a beauty product”

      Riiight, tell that to millions of people who have personalized their phone in some way, shape, or form.

      • William Oh

        By personalize you mean wearing a case with glitter for some bling bling? aka still covering metal finish

        • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

          Even though it may be covering it, it’s still a phone, and being personalized. Phones are most certainly beauty products to A LOT of people. I myself look at mine as an extension of my style (Red Moto X).

  • Dustin Casper

    Samsung Galaxy iPhone.

  • Dominick White

    I still don’t get one people are so in love with metal phones, I h don’t fine either the 2013 2014 HTC ones that good looking of a phone, and I have never understood how people go on and on about what great design the iPhone has… I am a fan of htc but I wish they would go back to the look and feel of the butterfly and Dna.. I fine the Moto x a hell of a lot better looking phone than this

    • Suman Gandham

      Kevlar ftw… #RazrHD :p

      • n900mixalot

        Right. Kevlar makes sense. Plastic and poly carbonate make sense. But HTC is obsessed with making metal make Sense. About that camera though …

        • Suman Gandham

          “HTC is obsessed with making metal make Sense”

  • Colton

    is it always going to be referred to as One (M8)? or…..

    • http://droid-life.com/ Rthvk

      Seems to be the case. HTC is referring to it as such officially, which means the press will likely keep following suit until they tell us otherwise

      • Colton

        gotcha! Just want something catchier I guess lol

        • http://www.droid-life.com/ Tim-o-tato

          We will refer to it as the One M8 for a couple more weeks until time passes when no news about the original One is popping up. Until then, we have to keep differentiating the two.

          • Colton

            makes sense!

  • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

    Hey HTC Im not sure if I would be throwing stones. Your phones are gorgeous until you get to all that unused bezel and Samsung has great hardware but they make their phones out of plastic. The fatal flaw of all Android oems is that they just cant put together a complete phone period.

    • Adrynalyne

      Too expensive to do that. All of them cut corners somewhere.

      • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

        other than screen size which is so easily fixed, apple does it every time. Samsung could do it if they want to

        • Adrynalyne

          I’m theorizing that Apple has their production costs under control better than Android OEMs. I could be wrong.

          • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

            There is no reason that samsung couldnt do the same. They have a division that manufactures chips and another that does displays wtf am I missing here.

          • Adrynalyne

            Greed.

          • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

            Nope I would say pride. They dont want to be bullied into using metal when plastic works just fine. I personally dont care about build materials as long as its not flimsy which most samsung phone feel very solid.

          • Adrynalyne

            Their battery backs are what bother me the most. Otherwise, I don’t care about plastic either. Metal feels nice, looks nice, but also conducts heat better. My old G4 Powerbook’s case would get so hot you couldn’t stand to use it.

          • http://droid-life.com/ Rthvk

            If they make the perfect phone, there’s nothing to make next year! I have a feeling Samsung is controlling innovation rather than pushing the envelope like they used to do. Just a thought.

          • Adrynalyne

            Good point. Planned obsolescence.

          • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

            Not really,cameras, screens and batteries can be upgraded every year. If they go with a two year design cycle where they only make major changes to design language every two years they should do just fine.

          • http://droid-life.com/ Rthvk

            If you’re talking screen resolution, then no, they cannot be upgraded every year. Good call by both HTC and Sammy with 1080p — battery tech is just not there for 2K. And if they went 2K this year, would you expect 4K next year? Then 8K?

            And the battery was updated this year.

          • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

            You dont have to make that big a leap. I havent gone hands on with the new s5 but from what I am reading, it certainly is better than the s4 screen. Batteries can also get better and cameras just the same with better sensors and new tech.

          • http://droid-life.com/ Rthvk

            Point taken.

          • Stone Cold

            This can be said for all electronics being built.

        • NexusMan

          That, too, is a matter of opinion. Apple’s software and capabilities is SERIOUSLY lacking, and I don’t like the hardware design of most iPhones. Glass back? Really?

      • T_Dizzle

        I was leaving Verizon for AT&T because of the One Plus One until Verizon gave me the loyalty discounted prices and the BOGO on the One.

  • Smellynachos

    Samsung is my choice beautiful phones. HTC has a habbit of hyping their phones so much and they flop completely. And the metal I don’t enjoy I rather plastic. Good luck HTC can’t wait to see your quarter reporting as a loss once again.

    • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

      Typical Sammy fan. How’s that band-aid phone holding up?

      • Cael

        You know a lot of people don’t like bricks right?

  • Adrynalyne

    Yet they cannot seem to produce a single good camera. People in glass houses…

  • Marcus Gonzales

    Samsung is a great company. My note 3 is a beast of a phone. HTC recycled the old camera! I was recently at sxsw (a week long music festival), and Samsung was out there giving away free $50 cover cases and swapping batteries for fully charged ones. If you tweeted #poweron and your location they would BRING THEM TO YOU.

    • Chris M

      So again great marketing

  • shooter50

    Poor jason. HTC produced another excellent product that will get slaughtered by the S5. HTC wasn’t “investing in customers ” when it produced the all time piece of crap Thunderbolt. Yeah, I got sucked into that one and wont ever forget the total lack of support for a myriad of problems. Now Samsung is beating them to death and all of a sudden they care about their customers. Too little, too late. HTC, Blackberry, AOL, all were on top and all got lazy. So I’ll be buying a cheap plastic S5 as will most people and I’ll admire HTC’s attempt to win back all the customers they they blew off many years ago

    • Adrynalyne

      Camera and fingerprint scanner (lulz) aside, what does the S5 have on the One?

      • yeah

        USB 3.0, dust proofing, water resistance, better contrast ratio, 4K recording, higher clock speed, bigger battery, removable battery, replaceable battery, better user repairability, and bigger screen while being smaller, thinner, and lighter.

        • mgamerz

          Higher clock speed doesn’t really mean much when you have all that touchwiz crap running. That also negates some of the battery benefit.

          • crazed_z06

            Downvote

          • crazier

            downvote, your post is unnecessary and trollish. i know mine is too but sometimes you gotta be a troll to call out a troll

          • NexusMan

            As opposed to all that Sense crap running on the One? LOL.

          • Justin Larmay

            Thought Tim said the new version of touchwiz was much snappier?

          • Adrynalyne

            Impossible to tell if it is when there is also a new SoC.

          • http://www.droid-life.com/ Tim-o-tato

            It is. New TouchWiz on top of 4.4 on the GS5 seems great to me. We’ll see once we get devices in hand though.

        • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

          “removable battery, replaceable battery”

          redundant much?

        • Nicholas Ruiz

          Yep. I just can’t get eexcited about HTC phones. Samsung is far from perfect but their phones have what I want. And this crap about people only buying Sammy phones because of the marketing needs to stop.

          • n900mixalot

            That S-Pen is no joke. Whereas the 4mpx ultrapixel camera is …

          • Nicholas Ruiz

            The Ultrapixel is proof that it’s not just Sammy and LG who do the marketing buzzwords. I miss when HTC phones had good cameras.

          • n900mixalot

            You should compare Evo 3D photos with HTC One photos … Not much advancement from one to the next.

          • Adrynalyne

            Note II S-pen was pretty bad. The Note 3 is pretty good, but I still don’t use it much.

          • Matthew Merrick

            As someone with a note 2,who actively uses the Spen… I scoff in your general direction

          • Adrynalyne

            The Note 3 pen takes it to a whole new level.

          • Adrynalyne

            You act like there are no competitors out there. I think you have blinders on. Most consumers will not use 1/4 of what Samsung throws into their phones, so really, yeah, a lot (not all) of it is marketing. Would you buy an S5 if you had never heard of it before? Of course not. Reason? Marketing.

          • Nicholas Ruiz

            No Iddon’t act like there are other competitors out there. Samsung just hits the Sweet spot for me. All phones have drawbacks and theirs bother the least for t he most part. Moto has the bad cameras and non removable batteries. LG has issues with updates. I actually don’t like HTCs metal bodies and Sense as well as their cameras. Sony also has problems with updates.

            To top it off I see very few ads, including Samsung’s. I have had phones of all kinds and makers. My opinion comes from experience not marketing. Read my post next time.

          • Adrynalyne

            I did read it. Maybe you forgot you said this?

            “And this crap about people only buying Sammy phones because of the marketing needs to stop.”

            Maybe you should read what you type next time and you will understand.

            I’m glad you like Samsung, and I would never try to sway anyone to a certain brand. However, the masses are flocking to Samsung because Galaxy has become a household name, just like iPhone. That was done through marketing.

          • Nicholas Ruiz

            “about people ONLY buying Sammy phones because of the marketing…”

          • Adrynalyne

            Yeah and for most, that IS the only reason. Android tech heads are a minority by far.

          • marieke

            ADR! *clicked on this headline and thought of you* circa 2011: “HTC: plastic that feels like metal, Sammy: plastic that feels like… Plastic” And here you are!

            *****Come visit us in

          • https://plus.google.com/115026857817243306399/posts Khaf

            Tell em. Its funny how many people ended up changing their minds and getting an HTC One after playing with mine. Almost all of them wanted a Samsung phone before that. I let my mom use my wife’s S4 and my HTC one and she flocked to HTC. I’m not saying Samsung is horrible but their market share domination doesn’t match the quality of their phones compared to the competition. How many people can you walk up to on the street and ask all what their phones do. How many people do y’all remember calling Android phones Droids I still see people doing it. Even the reps in stores don’t know what they are talking about half the time. Look how marketing is today compared to like ten years ago. Its everywhere you really can’t escape it. Samsung doesn’t do all of that marketing for nothing obviously if it didntbbring the sales in they wouldn’t sell so much.

        • Justin Larmay

          Well put.

        • LionStone

          Hehe, that list sounds desperate… yea, thinner, lighter, cheaper, dimples, really? lol… No Sale.

      • NexusMan

        Galaxy S 5 has a fingerprint scanner.
        Galaxy S 5 has a Heartrate monitor.
        Galaxy S 5 has a higher capacity processor.
        Galaxy S 5 has Bluetooth Low Energy.
        Galaxy S 5 has a far better camera.

        Galaxy S 5 is smaller.
        Galaxy S 5 is water resistant.
        Galaxy S 5 is dust resistant.
        Galaxy S 5 has a removeable battery.

        Galaxy S 5 has a higher capacity battery.

        Galaxy S 5 is lighter and thinner.

        Galaxy S 5 has a more robust featureset.
        Galaxy S 5 is harder to damage.
        Galaxy S 5 has a richer screen.
        Galaxy S 5 has a larger screen, while remaining a smaller, thinner, lighter device.
        Galaxy S 5 will launch on more carriers.

        • Adrynalyne

          Thanks.

          Although the M8 has BLE and heart rate monitor can be found on play store. Its nothing special on the S5.

          • NexusMan

            Which is why I listed like 17 other things.

          • Adrynalyne

            It bothers you when someone corrects ya, huh. I appreciate the list, but I appreciate accuracy too. Chillax.

          • NexusMan

            What are you talking about? #1 I’m not bothered. #2 corrected me on what?

          • Adrynalyne

            I’m not going to read for you, sorry.

          • NexusMan

            Riiiiiiiight…..I’m sure that makes sense in your head.

          • cryosx

            Slap a Samsung logo onto the M8 and i bet you’d be an instant convert. Or just try the phone out.

        • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

          I think NexusMan has a fetish for Sammy

          • NexusMan

            I’m just saying…the question was asked.

          • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

            You also restated both of the points that the initial post said “other than”.

          • NexusMan

            I know. I gave a comprehensive list. That should be understood.

        • LionStone

          HaHaHaHa…oh man

          • NexusMan

            Dude, HTC sells 3 phones a year. No one is having buyers remorse, regarding them. That’s the serious LOL. But maybe you’re right, HTC does have BoomSound and Zoes! LOL.

          • LionStone

            Don’t care about phone sales, but there sure gonna be a lot of buyers remorse…I held the M8 today, its even more incredible than I thought. In fact, it might be too beautiful for me…

          • NexusMan

            Phone sales is directly related to buyers remorse. SO, how does that train of thought work out?

          • LionStone

            Simple, HTC will sell plenty of M8s. I don’t care if its more or less than another competitor, I’m a consumer, not a corporate executive for one of these companies. If someone buys something other than the M8, and then when they see someone with an M8, that’s when buyers remorse sets in

          • NexusMan

            Right….unless they take pictures with their phone. Or, unless they like using their phone with one hand. Or, unless they like their phone to fit comfortably in their pocket. Or, unless they like a comfortable, ergonomic fit in their hand. Or, unless, they like a lighter, thinner, shorter, smaller phone. Or, unless they don’t like Sense. Or, unless they like to be able to replace their battery. Or, unless they like to be able to drop their phone without it easily becoming dented and dinged. Or, unless they don’t like slippery phones. Or, unless they’re on Metro PCS, Boost Mobile, or Virgin Mobile. Or, unless they could care less about a metal phone. But you’re right, if they don’t meet ANY of that criteria, there is a slight possibility that they could have buyer’s remorse. Good luck, HTC!

          • LionStone

            Oh man, there you go again… trying desperately to convince anyone. You don’t have to justify your choice, just enjoy it and try not to have too much remorse when you see an M8, good luck!

          • NexusMan

            Only one trying to convince is you. I, personally, fit into about all of the above categories, so my mind has already been made. Don’t get me wrong, not to say the One is a bad phone, it’s just not the One for me…hence, absolutely no remorse and no regrets.

      • Justin Larmay

        Lack of bezel.

        • Adrynalyne

          Sometimes bezel is a good thing. I find myself tapping the screen on my note 3 while holding it when watching videos. Gets rather annoying. This is the first phone I’ve had that issue with.

          That said, yeah that black bar is a bit stupid.

    • crazed_z06

      Agreed.

      Thunderbolt. Never Forget.

      • Cowboydroid

        Surely it makes economic sense to forget at some point…

        • T_Dizzle

          It did for me, I just took advantage of the BOGO. Finally unloaded the GNex and I won’t miss the terrible camera and LTE radios.

      • guest

        right like I bought this piece of crap moto phone in 2005 and I’ll never forget!!! Never again moto!!! I don’t care how good the reviews are on your so called “moto X” phone, I’ll never forget how you treated me in the past! Never!!!!

        • rals

          You’re analogy doesn’t make sense. At least compare apples to apples to make your point.

          • Tyler

            So droid 2?

          • rals

            Whatever you want to make your point above. I would have accepted Bionic, Atrix, Droid X2……

            Same can be said if they want to compare other Samsung phones that were just as bad as the thunderbolt….like the Charge

            End of the day I’m saying don’t compare a Chevy Nova to a corvette, at least make it comparable.

          • Raven

            Ah, loved my Droid 2 (and Droid 4). Still miss my physical keyboard with my Moto X.

          • Tyler

            I just remember that phone having a lot of issues even pushing a couple friends to the dark side (iOS). Hardware wise there wasn’t anything wrong though.

          • guest

            how does my analogy not make sense? the phone I posted a picture of above was among the most premium of phones motorola produced in 2005-2006 (this immediately preceded the original razr line which you might remember). It, along with the razr, cost $199 with a 2 year contract. With inflation it probably cost more to buy off contract than any off contract phone to date. So yes I am comparing apples to apples, this at it’s time to moto X at current time and everyone else is doing the same thing in comparing thunderbolt to M8.

            So maybe you don’t understand my analogy but saying that I’m comparing a chevy nova to a corvette is completely misleading & innacurate. I’m comparing the most premium phone from it’s time period to the most premium phone from the present time for motorola, everyone else is doing the exact same thing with htc

          • Michael Vernon

            It’s more like apples and spaceships. Compare a Motorola SMARTPHONE from an early year to the moto x. Then you’ll be on to something.

            Comparing a bloody dumbphone to the moto x (or any smartphone) is just ludicrous. Nobody can infer anything from that.

            As for your car analogy, poor. Compare the Chevy Nova to a MODERN Corvette is what you are doing. And no one, not even Jeremy “I love myself” Clarkson could sell me on that.

            …James May probably could though.

          • guest

            your comment doesn’t make sense I’m sorry. i can tell it doesn’t because i wasn’t the one who made the car analogy, user “rals” made the car analogy and i was telling him it didn’t make sense as well. sorry you didn’t follow the conversation chronologically. i won’t call it “,poor” tho I’ll give you benefit of doubt

            I’m comparing what one oem did historically to what they are doing today in a very linear fashion the same way everyone else is. if you have a problem with my comment you must have a problem with everyone else using the thunderbolt example to compare to the M8. what we’re really taking about is the oem and how customers feel like they’ve been treated in the past, most folks are talking about htc. i am taking about moto

    • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

      Erm, there are other manufacturer’s besides HTC if you don’t like Samsung’s plastic lol

    • Aaron Sibold

      Must of never had a CDMA GNex, aye?

      • shooter50

        No I didn’t and judging from sales figures, apparently not many people did

        • Aaron Sibold

          I never rolled with the Thunderbolt, but I’m glad I did not. But I always like my Hero and Incredible. I’m going to give the M8 a run.

          • KJ

            Great call especially if u love HTC system

      • eeeeeeeeeeee

        Gnex still limping strong here. Probably takes better pics than the ultragimmick camera.

        • michael arazan

          Got some great pics with my GNex, same camera as my D1 and took way better pics, also you can snap pics in HD Video record. Gnex runs smoother on 4.2.2 than the GS3 I have full of craptastic laggish hell on 4.3 and the stupid home button that just slows your life down waiting for it to work every single time, robs you of 3-5 seconds every time you have to hit it.

          • Mike Saleh

            That home button lag is from svoice. You have to go svoice-menu-setting-uncheck “activate with home button”. That lag will be gonnnne :)

      • Aaron C

        I had both. Winner for ultimate disaster of a phone went to the Thunderbolt, hands down. What a disappointment.

    • iNfAMOUS70702

      The tbolt is the reason I joined the darkside and went to iOS and Samsung… I gave the original one a shot last year but the battery life was atrocious so note 3 it was for me

    • jnt

      That’s not really fair, as a majority of the Tbolt’s issues were due to Verizon’s LTE basically being in Alpha/Beta stage at the time – software tweaks couldn’t do anything about that, well hardly anyway. The Inc and Inc 2 were two of the best 3G phones ever. The Sensation on T-Mobile was incredible as well. All OEMs have made great devices and bad ones.

      The M8 is an incredible device, and the camera is better than most are saying, and so incredibly fast. It’s a bit too tall, though.

      That said, due to the likely-even-better camera (if that happens anyway), and the dust/water resistance, and the smaller size, I’ll likely give the S5 a shot and probably stick with it if it lives up to what’s being said.

      • Cael

        The only fault Verizon has in the Thunderbolt situation is that they bought it from HTC. Everything else was HTC’s fault.

        • Tyler

          It’s the whole idea that sometimes it doesn’t pay off to be first when it comes tech. The first few LTE phones had awful battery life. HTC win the tag for first LTE phone but probably lost in the long run.

          • Cael

            HTC has a history of awful battery life because you know what they said? “Our customers want thin phones, so we can’t put big batteries in them.”
            Why the hell could every other OEM make thin phones with big batteries and HTC couldn’t?

            HTC is deadset on a metal phone is going to help them win. It’s not. Their problem is and always will be that they don’t look at the big picture.

          • Tyler

            Thunderbolt I wouldn’t consider a thin phone. But with that said I so remember now that you mention it always seeing htc using 100 to 200 mAh Smaller batteries than competition.

    • Chad

      HTC Incredible & Rezound. Never again.

      • Cael

        The Incredible 1 and 2 were good.
        The Incredible 4G LTE and Rezound yeah, HTC dropped the ball on them BIG TIME.

        • Chad

          Incredible 1 was great which was why I decided to go on with the Rezound. It was such a let down I decided to never go back to HTC. So miuch potential yes.. That’s their ongoing thing. the One(m8) build looks fantastic. But Sense and Im sure bad battery life, would be too much for me =/

      • Jeff C

        remember a verizon rep tried to sell me a rezound…while i was in the store the morning of the gnex launch. yea noo. glad i avoided that

        • Chad

          Great timing. Saved you a couple of years of blahhh…

      • CHRIS42060

        I had a Rezound for like 3 months…… Not that it was horrifying enough to turn me off from HTC products, but their updates certainly were.

        • Chad

          I think that phone received 1 update the whole time I had it. Like months later. Ughhh..

          • Guest

            14

    • Michael Scott

      Once rooted, the Bolt was a solid phone. Then Verizon’s data speeds went into the toilet.

      • Aaron C

        Amazing how fast that LTE advantage went away, huh? By the time I switched to T-Mobile, HSPA at my house was way faster than my Verizon LTE.

        • Michael Scott

          Same here. And once I got LTE rolling on the N4 it was all over for Verizon. After 10+ years with those blood suckers it was great to say goodbye. Love my N5 and M7 on T mo.

          • Aaron C

            Ha. You and I pretty much did the same thing. I had Verizon for almost 12 years. I didn’t want to give up unlimited data, but I took a chance because I was sick of all the fees, sick of being on contract, sick of ever-diminishing data rates. Been with T-Mo for a year now with my LTE-enabled Nexus 4. The whole family loves T-Mo. Speeds are sick. A little issue with coverage every once in a while, but that new 700Mhz spectrum should handle that eventually. For the $100 savings a month, it’s worth it.

          • Michael Scott

            That’s a big Amen brother!

    • Mr. Oz

      I was first in “line” for the thunderbolt on launch day. That device is what made me an iphone user for a couple years before the S4 came out. In my opinion, I put a case on every phone anyways so unfortunately the case never gets seen anyways.

    • InclusiontoInnovation

      We all are fooled once (or twice) … RAZR, then RAZR MAX comes out ….. Verizon GNeX, then no, or delayed, support …. such disappointments drove me to Google Nexus 5 … However, the One (M8), has me re-looking at HTC. Other than an eye towards the Note 4, for me, Samsung is getting old and tired with the plastic and touch wiz ..

    • Poison

      I think you’re one of the many people who was sucked in when it came to the Thunderbolt. I couldn’t agree more with your entire paragraph/rant. They are an exact replica of BlackBerry. Someone in both companies woke up and said “I think we better do something”. Unfortunately, they are, like you put it, “too little , too late”. HTC will never be a “major player” again. Samsung, Motorola and LG have them beat…….by a long shot.

    • joseph barrientos

      i actually really liked my thunderbolt. Had the extended battery to go along with the crappy one. It had its flaws but i still think its a great phone, once you root. ;)

    • Guest

      I don’t understand. I had the Thunderbolt for a year and I was perfectly fine with it. I happily upgraded to the Rezound after, which still didn’t get updates. I’m not angry at HTC like everyone else is. Every company makes mistakes. It’s been 3 years since the Thunderbolt. Get over it.

    • KC

      HTC does have a much better battery life though. S5 has a ton of great features and HTC does as well- I agree thunderbolt was piece of crap but look at Samsung phones in that time and they were not great either.. I will have to disagree with one is that muh better than the other.. I think they both have a ton of qualities and whatever is most important to customers would be the best for them

  • jbworldwide1

    Ohhh! Burnnn!

  • Stephen D

    I’m glad to see that both companies are acting mature/professional.

  • EC8CH

    Whatever, my phone is made from fine mahogany… Well fake ebony anyway.

    • Thomas

      Ron Burgundy edition ;)

  • Leif Sikorski

    They should think twice about what they say if they can’t design and assemble a phone without a ton of glue.

    • fauxshizzl

      Wow that was an incredibly ignorant comment. You haven’t taken many electronics apart have you?

      • Leif Sikorski

        Just compare it to other devices from Samsung or some other brands. Using such an amount of glue is just a way to assemble cheaper.If a device is harder than necessary to disassemble and repair it’s a bad product design. There is no reason why it couldn’t be done in a better way.

        • Marikel

          Calling glue cheap when Samsung uses plastic which is still cheap is pretty stupid. I still like the GS5, and I’d get one if they had more than 8 GB available to the customer for the base model.

          • Leif Sikorski

            A metal housing doesn’t cost much more than a plastic housing..the difference is about 10$ at a re-seller price – for the manufacturer it’s even less. It’s more a decision about the feel, signal strength, having a removable battery or not and such things. Some like metal, other don’t because it feels cold and looks more industrial/technical.

    • The Narrator

      evolution has failed us

      or in some cases, God created stupidity for the hell of it

      • MicroNix

        You’re here aren’t you?

  • Ryan Batty

    No one cares about design. People are just going to put cases on their phone anyway

    • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

      Agreed. The camera is more important to me, and a lot of other people, than the material of the phone.

    • Petter Forsberg

      I care a lot about design, and I do not at all fancy cases, so HTC wins there. They also have a way cleaner UI-design, and not a lot of gimmicky features that I’d never use anyway. But of course, each to their own :)

      • hoosiercub88

        You’re in the minority. Most people in the ‘real-world’ not the Droid-Life world, use cases in some way/shape/form on their smartphones & tablets.

        • Adrynalyne

          They also put bras on their cars and trash the paint. That doesn’t make them right.

          • hoosiercub88

            Car bras, especially the clear ones, are actually a pretty damn good idea. Rock chips and road debris damage to the front bumper cover/hood are statistically the highest damaged places on a vehicle from regular driving.

            What is and isn’t right, isn’t up to you, thankfully. Cases are there to give people a piece of mind, whether they choose a barethere style case or an otterbox defender. Most people use them, and most people will continue to.

          • Adrynalyne

            Actually, not especially the clear ones. ONLY the clear ones.

            The leather ones get grit trapped between the bra and paint and screw over the paint with deep scratches.

        • http://people.ign.com/mrfrodo24 MrFrodo24

          Screw the real world. This is DL.

        • NexusMan

          Actually, I think most people in BOTH worlds use cases. I, actually, don’t, but I find most people techies or not use them.

        • Stone Cold

          I know I do.

      • NexusMan

        Then you should also care that HTC’s metal phone dings and dents far easier than Samsung’s plastic.

  • Thomas

    Yeah, but that cheap piece of plastic is kicking their a$$ when it comes to sales.

    I’ll take my cheap piece of plastic any day over an HTC phone.

  • Arnold

    HTC’s Jason Mackenzie is correct.

    Unfortunately, people buy Samsung phone solely because commercials tell them to. Marketing always wins.

    • The Narrator

      “It’s better than Apple” Okay we’ll buy it!

    • Derek Duncan

      I buy the S4 and soon S5 because I think it’s the best combo of features and design.

      • The Narrator

        LG, Sony, Oppo, do you do any research?

        • Derek Duncan

          I do. None of those manufacturers give me the better combo.

          • The Narrator

            ok

          • guest

            What combo is that? im just curious

          • Derek Duncan

            Accessories are a big thing to me and Samsung has the better support. Wireless charging is a big deal for me. Camera is really good. I can buy it on a good plan through Next or something similar. I like the button.

          • Guest

            To me other than the accessory thing the G2 is a better device on Verizon because it has wireless charging. But the beauty of Android is that we all have a choice and not everyone wants the same thing.

          • Carlos

            You buying happy meal or a phone?

        • MicroNix

          Sony, Oppo not available on all carriers. Do you do any research?

          • Marikel

            LG LG LG DID YOU NOT SEE LG IN THAT LIST

          • MicroNix

            I did and hence correctly omitted it in my reply.

          • Marikel

            No I meant that as in LG is on all carriers.

          • hoosiercub88

            Not everyone wants a G2, what in the hell is wrong with people?

            The beauty of Android is choice.. right? Or did I miss something?

            Feck it.. I’m going to buy an iPhone.

          • Marikel

            I didn’t say that you or anybody else should buy a G2. I was simply telling the person that LG is on all carriers. I don’t even have a G2, nor would I get one. I’m getting the M8.

          • jboogie1289

            Nnnnnnnoooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Marikel

        Yes, 8.5 GB usable out of 16 is such a great feature. I give the Galaxy S5 infinity/10 just for this great and intuitive feature.
        /s

        • Derek Duncan

          Yea its a close call for sure.

          • Marikel

            I’d get the GS5 but that storage problem just turns me off completely. HTC One M8 it is. The camera on the M8 won’t bother me as much since I’m coming from the OG DROID RAZR. Any camera is better than that one.

        • mcdonsco

          Ever hear of an sd card? Double it for what, $9?

          Given every phone these days should be 32gb min, but…

          • Marikel

            SD cards aren’t the answer to everything.

        • PoisonApple31

          It’s 10.7 GB! No need to make up numbers, we get the point.

          • Marikel

            I’m not making up numbers. I saw it with my own eyes the minute they put out the display models at Best Buy. And the only extra software that was on there was an app called Retail Mode.

          • PoisonApple31

            And the size of the extra app was….

          • Marikel

            So, what you’re trying to say is that an app that just disables the ability to set a passcode takes up almost 2 GB of storage? That doesn’t make sense.

          • PoisonApple31
    • morteum

      You’d think HTC would be able to figure that out.

    • MicroNix

      HTC makes that statement with the cheap camera they have? Really?

    • shooter50

      No people buy samsung phones because they got burned by the thunderbolt and will never buy HTC again

      • chris125

        Or rezound, or droid incredible, or any list of other devices Htc burned people with.

        • T_Dizzle

          The original Incredible was a great phone.

          • mgamerz

            You could say it was… Incredible

          • T_Dizzle

            Oh drum roll followed by a high hat

          • iNfAMOUS70702

            Best htc phone ever..

        • https://www.facebook.com/aaron.williams.125 Champion1229

          The Rezound was a great phone until HTC ruined it with an unnecessary update…. some people need to learn that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

          • chris125

            That is because everyone has that “I need the latest update” Now with google putting many of their services into the play store, no longer do you need the latest OS to have the latest goodies from google. Too many people fail to realize these devices were designed and tested running the OS they have an oftentimes updates are not nearly as tested to work properly.

        • crazed_z06

          Touch Pro 2

          • dwboston

            A beautiful phone and I loved the keyboard. Unfortunately, I went through three of them that died with various defects – all within the warranty period – before moving on from HTC.

            Also, there’s something to be said for a “plastic” phone. It tends not to get damaged as much when dropped.

          • JMonkeYJ

            I hear people say that a lot, but as an owner of both plastic and metal phones and a frequent dropper of phones, I can tell you it’s not true. Metal absorbs the fall a lot better and leaves tiny little dings that are barely noticeable, whereas plastic often chips and in some cases even cracks.

        • Fiorta

          Both phones you listed were better than their Samsung counterparts the year they were released lol

          • chris125

            and? Still doesn’t change the fact HTC left people out to dry with those, among many other devices.

          • n900mixalot

            HTC Evo 3D, HTC Flyer, Jetstream, Sensation … One+svlbrafetc

          • Fiorta

            You confuse Verizon and their ridiculous updating priorities with HTC…

          • chris125

            It’s not just verizon. Check out every carrier and you will see it was the same across the board.

          • Cael

            You must not have heard HTC’s excuses saying they can’t update phones or they have to go back to the updates and then eventually drop support all together?

          • Stone Cold

            During T-Mobile’s down years being stuck on early gingerbread sucked with the MyTouch 3 & 4G Slides.

          • Stone Cold

            Right HTC has always been horrible for pushing updates.

      • Adrynalyne

        I’m sure Continuum owners feel the same about Samsung ;)

        • http://www.droid-life.com/ Tim-o-tato

          And DROID Charge owners. Woof.

          • Adrynalyne

            Those very first LTE phones were pretty terrible. I actually liked my Thunderbolt until it got LTE :(

            After that, the 20 minute battery life just didn’t cut it for me.

      • Gary Graf

        No I buy Samsung because of removable batteries and micro sd card slots. At least the M8 brought back the micro sd.

      • Bruce

        Sadly, I was one of them.

      • Fiorta

        One phone on one carrier does not make every customer steer clear of an OEM.

        • n900mixalot

          No but several phones by one manufacturer on several carriers is a different story. They farked up on many carriers with many phones.

          • LionStone

            At the time of the Thunderbolt there were a lot of farked up phones. LTE in its infancy, inefficient processor… many people with a bad signal, didn’t know how to turn off LTE. Mine was fine, I was in a good area with strong signal but people like to bash the Thunderbolt and HTC because its so cool right? I guess the Samsung Charge was the bomb huh? Ha :0

          • Cael

            HTC’s bombs continued. Samsung stepped it up quicker than HTC did.

          • LionStone

            Yea right… You mean they stepped up their marketing scheme and that’s a fact.

    • KleenDroid

      Not true. I purchased my S4 for many reasons none of which were due to marketing. HTC can deliver on a few of my needs but not the most important of them. “Except the SD card slot”

      Actually I find his comment funny and desperate. Also the comment about feeling proud of your phone. Really? Good grief. People have many things to be proud of in their life but when your cell phone makes that list you must not have much going on.

      Instead of quality built phones HTC should have focused on making smaller bezels and a decent camera. Neither of which I care too much about. But if they want to get the market that their cell phone makes them proud a good camera for selfies is a must.:)

    • chris125

      Or the fact only the tech crowd goes crazy over metal. Samsung sells because it has the features and has less compromises than Htc has had (camera, battery, etc)

      • Adrynalyne

        You would be surprised on how many people buy things on looks.

        iPhone, anyone? Their users LOVE their build material and quality.

        • chris125

          Their fan base would buy a polished turd so that’s not the best usage case. Plus look how many cases you see on those iPhones

          • Adrynalyne

            Only if said polished turd was pretty.

          • chris125

            Well apple said so, so of course. That and of course it’s revolutionary lol

          • Adrynalyne

            Naturally ;)

        • KleenDroid

          But the iPhone has delivered an experience they were looking for also.

          HTC has screwed too many people over to win them all back on a metal phone solely. And they still fall short.

          But plenty will buy if they think it’s pretty.

          • Adrynalyne

            So many people look at my phones and say, “Wow, that is a nice looking phone. What is it?” Thats with the screen off (and I don’t use a case). So I guess it is situational, but here anyway, people look at the device before considering the OS.

      • oh

        Yet power users and outdoorsmen go to Samsung because of the removable battery. STEM field students choose Samsung because of polycarbonate. The only people I can figure out that love aluminum builds are previous iPhone owners or hipsters that hate whatever is popular.

        • mgamerz

          STEM field students choose Samsung because of polycarbonate.

          … really?

        • NexusMan

          No. Hipsters have Moto Xs. So, just previous iPhone users.

          • Scott Capodice

            Hey…I resent that comment! I have the Moto X and I’m no hipster LOL :P

          • guest

            just curious, how many moto x have you seen in the wild? I’ve seen one and it was a teenage girl on the train, she was texting and listening to music on her iphone and then using the moto x (screen off) to check her hair in the reflection. it made me sad and laugh at the same time

          • NexusMan

            guest…it was a joke. But to answer your question, I’ve seen 3. That’s 2 more than HTC One’s I’ve seen, and 2 more than iPhone 5c’s I’ve seen.

      • NexusMan

        Exactly. I mean, I like a good looking phone, but how utterly ridiculous of them, to have their main selling point be the looks, and put it out with that dreadful camera?

        • chris125

          I mean even if they would have up’d the UP to 6mp it would have quieted most of those with issues. Maybe next year..

      • cryosx

        Except the features turn out to be a hindrance to the user (inconsistently working and bogging down system resources). After 2 years of Samsung, i’m predicting that consumers will finally get sick of the poor user experience of Samsung phones and either jump to the iPhone or HTC One (M8) this year (in large numbers, large enough to cause worry for Samsung).

    • NexusMan

      So if HTC knows the secret to the universe…or better yet, the Galaxy…how stupid are they that they can’t push units.

    • iNfAMOUS70702

      I’m pretty sure the horrible battery life that htc phones have is another reason… I just don’t get it… It’s like they’re oblivious to making decent sized batteries… Hell even LG got it right

    • Cael

      I see and hear more people buying Samsung phones because of word of mouth and not the commercials. Same for the iPhone.

    • Grizzy

      Dumbest post I’ve seen. You can’t say everyone does something “solely” for one reason..

  • Tony Byatt
    • Mandark

      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    • jboogie1289

      Finish Him!!!!!!!!!

  • The Narrator
    • Mandark

      “Give that man a cookie” yeah yeah yeah. i’ve read this more than 100 times on disqus threads. this needs to stop now.

      • The Narrator

        Cry me a river, buddy

        • fauxshizzl

          Go back to Reddit and Imgur.

          • The Narrator

            I don’t go on there, but i won’t take your advice into consideration

        • BMC123

          dont you mean “crimea” river?