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Nexus 5 vs. Nexus 4 [Specs]

NEXUS 5

Thanks to a leaked service manual for the upcoming LG Nexus 5 that arrived over the weekend, there really is very little we don’t know about the phone outside of a release date and price. Well, the name “Nexus 5″ is still not yet 100% confirmed, meaning Google could end up going “Nexus 4” again like they did with the 2013 Nexus 7. We continue to see references to both names here and there. But either way, we feel as if we have a pretty good grasp on all things new Nexus phone.

Below, we’ve put together the most recent set of specs, pulled from FCC documents and the service manual. None of this is official until Google announces the phone, it’s simply info gathered from a number of leaks. 

We should point out that the service manual was put together for the LG-D821, which most believe is the European model of the Nexus 5. The FCC documents we saw recently, and the device most believe will arrive in the U.S., is known as the LG-D820.

Spec comparison:

lg nexus 5 vs nexus 4 specs

Here are some additional grabs from the service manual:

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So as you are all well aware, there are still no signs pointing to a Verizon arrival. This phone is destined for access to AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile’s networks here in the U.S. We aren’t exactly sure why Verizon isn’t included, but with CDMA still in play, we would imagine that Google needed Big Red’s approval for access and was not given it. That’s speculation obviously, but with Sprint having a CDMA network as well, we aren’t sure what else could be the problem.

We still have no firm dates for release, but the end of October is still looking pretty likely.

  • beng8686

    I’m glad I didn’t hold off and wait for the N5… No Verizon = f*** you.

  • Michael Pahl

    9 hours talk time? how can it get WORSE than the N4….?

    • philstx

      LTE caused that one.

      Consider it a win, if you would have been more annoyed that there was no LTE.

      • Michael Pahl

        Moto manages LTE with 48 hours talk time. on my Razr Maxx HD CM 10.2 can run for three days with very normal use and LTE

        • philstx

          I dunno. 3300mAh battery… and maybe the N5 components are bigger battery hogs… 2GB RAM vs. 1GB RAM, 2.3GHz vs. 1.5GHz? Maybe the open source community will have more fun trying to squeeze more out of it than stock.

          • Michael Pahl

            Amount of RAM should not impact battery life. And these newer SnapDragon CPUs have more efficient governors and idle power saving features than my Razr HD…
            we shall see.

  • joejoe5709

    Wow. Apple, this is how you do a new generation of phone.That’s a decent bump in just about every category. Some cost cutting for sure, but this is effectively an LG G2 “Mini” with a slick body, traditional buttons, and the newest stock Android. Camera should be alright as long as the software is decent. Battery is probably the only I’m concerned about, but I trust Google to give us a phone with battery life along the lines of the N4 and/or the Moto X.

    I think I’d like to see the specs versus the Galaxy S4. Except for maybe the newer processor, it seems the specs and size would be fairly close! If the Galaxy SV stays right around 5″, I think the Nexus 5 would still hold its own.

    • joejoe5709

      As for the Verizon rumors, I think it’s all getting out of hand. There’s zero information to confirm or deny such a thing and there’s always the slim possibility of it coming to Verizon halfway through 2014 on the VoLTE network even if they did announce it on every other carrier.

      If it doesn’t come to Verizon, I’m really really thinking about camping out for 4-6 months and see what the pipeline brings us. Who knows… judging by the Note 3 maybe the Galaxy SV will be a beast and a half.

      • clobberedchina

        “At which point, you will all be sorry you left Verizon just because you didn’t have patience to wait for something really great.”

        Can’t you just return to Verizon any time you want?

  • MK

    Picked up the G2 at retail (to keep my unlimited data) two weeks ago and have been thrilled with it despite the plethora of negative reviews I found. I’m glad I am educated enough to make decisions for myself, because if I only based my choice off of reviews from the “experts”, getting the G2 clearly would’ve been the biggest mistake of my life. Coming from a GNex that had a subpar camera and dreadful battery life, this phone has greatly surpassed my expectations. The write-ups harping on and on about “ZOMG!! fingerprints on the plastic!!” and “ZOMG!! buttons on the back!!” are out of control. This is an excellent device.

    • flosserelli

      I think you are lost. I’m glad you like your G2, but this is a Nexus article.

      • MK

        That’s a solid observation. However, this is more in defense of Verizon and the G2, as well as commentary directed to those threatening to leave the network because the Nexus won’t be carried. My point being that those considering leaving should give some thought to the G2, which I’d argue is a better device than this Nexus. Regardless, we all know everyone is not going to jump ship over a phone. The same debate comes up any time the best!! phone is not carried by Verizon. It’s all empty threats.

        • Skittlez

          i had a Gnex and now have a G2 as well. yes it is a great device, but is a device i settled for nonetheless. i, like you, thought i should just stay with verizon since the phone is good, even though i did try t-mobile in my area, and found zero flaws. yea, i really do miss the stock android experience, and the ease of hacking it. but then, i downloaded google wallet, and saw i was restricted from using tap-to-pay, since the G2 doesn’t have the secure element, and it would never work. this might not be a big deal to some, but i saw it as, first, i can’t get the phone i really want, because verizon won’t allow it on their network, but then the device i even settled for is being blocked from using features that google creates for the android platform. even ISIS isn’t working. That was kinda the last straw. Most verizon phones have some sort of handicap, and i don’t want to be restricted anymore. $73 a month for unlimited everything on T-mobile(which has great HSPA+/LTE coverage in my area and the areas i frequent) along with always being able to get the Nexus, or any phone i want, is worth it to me. that being said, yes, the G2 is a great device.

          • flosserelli

            Verizon takes a dump on their customers because they can. The typical Verizon customer is oblivious to how much they are getting bent over. They don’t care about open source, unlocked bootloaders, the fact that they have zero options for NFC payments, the fact that they pay a subsidized monthly bill for nonsubsidized phones, etc, etc. Most of their customers are completely happy with the status quo, because Verizon is, after all, the nation’s largest & most reliable network. And until enough of their subscribers get enough of their crap, they will continue to act like the proverbial 800 pound gorilla.

        • zee112

          I had a Galaxy Nexus on Verizon with grandfathered unlimited data. I left because I got tired of them delaying updates to test their bloatware, I mean network. Now I’m a happy T-Mobile customer.

    • Rambir

      You root that bad boy and slap on CyanogenMod or Aokp, you have a nexus 5 that is slightly bigger and will most likely have a better camera.

  • Tyler

    It’s official I hate the guy who said the nexus 5 couldn’t run on Verizon’s network.

    • beng8686

      Um if I remember right it doesn’t support Verizon LTE bands…

  • Rich Robinson

    LG G2 w/Verizon Unlimited all day everyday over this

    • Skittlez

      meh, i disagree

  • KeepCalmAndFlashARom

    Still can’t believe all the people saying they’re leaving Verizon for this mediocre thing. It’ll be funny to see the blowback once the first few weeks of new-phone-honeymoon wear off and everyone will start to realize they hate the coverage and speeds on their new network. I get 30mbps down on Verizon, nothing about the Nexus 5 is worth losing true, unthrottled data at that speed to switch to all the other carriers who will maybe hit 12mbps down on a good day.

    Ask how thrilled any Nexus 4 owners are with their device after the initial excitement of buying a coveted Nexus device. I’m not saying the new one hasn’t made any improvements since number 4, obviously it has. But the Nexus thing doesn’t amount to much. How many system updates do you really get in the life of a device that you really have to make sure you get on day 1? I bought one of the first Nexus 7s because I thought it would be awesome to be able to use the newest versions of Android, without having to upgrade my phone which I wasn’t ready to do. Sold the Nexus 7 a few months later. Why are we all so addicted to farting around with the newest system update as soon as possible, we all know it wears off and feels extremely normal after the first few days of digging through the new menus and acting like it’s a big deal. Is it really THAT big of a deal to get system updates first that you’re really gonna pass up all the other amazing devices that are sitting at the store right now?

    Seems like people have forgotten that Android is all about customization. Do none of you flash ROMs? I have yet to own a single device where I wasn’t able to get clean Android system ROMs sooner than the update was going to be made available from the phone manufacturer. Same way I feel when phone reviews obsess too much about how crappy TouchWiz or other interfaces are. So what? You can flash something else immediately after taking your phone out of the box. You’re not locked onto one system like *other* devices.

    People talk about clean Android system as if it’s this holy grail you can only receive from a Nexus device. Every device I’ve ever owned has successfully been stripped of it’s crappy “skinned” manufacturer software and brought back down to a stock Android experience. I can understand feeling trapped by Verizon if you’re someone who never wants to root or ROM your phones, but I would think on a website like this, most of us know how to do that to our devices.

    Leaving Verizon for this? No thanks.

    • flosserelli

      You make some valid points, but Verizon’s LTE network isn’t that great in all areas. My speeds fluctuate considerably between 1.5-10 Mbps, with an occasional blip into the mid teens. And you have apparently been lucky & fortunate to have picked devices with adequate dev support. Not everyone is so lucky. And not everyone who wants the AOSP experience also wants to mess with custom roms.

      So it all depends on your priorities. If you have consistently fast & reliable VZW LTE service and a grandfathered unlimited plan, then yes that is probably more valuable than having the latest & greatest Nexus phone that will be overshadowed next year. But if you have ho-hum LTE service and you don’t even use more than 2 GB or so a month, and you want the freedom to change carriers at will, then dropping Verizon for a Nexus 5 on another carrier is probably worth considering.

      • Sole Food

        Yea I’m having a tough decision to make when soon, I can stay on verizon and continue to pay $150 a month for a single line to keep my unlimited data and tethering or switch to Sprint or T-Mobile with unlimited everything and get hi speed home internet for $20 a month. Saving about 80$ should be a no-brainer but everything is so seamless right now.

    • Keith0606

      I understand where you are coming from I suppose. Still, I’m definitely still jumping to this and leaving Verizon. Also, I would not consider the spec list mediocre (maybe the battery) but that’s just my opinion. Like you I was into rooting and rom’ing which is when i first started reading droid-life, but at some point, about 2 years ago, I got tired of it. I just wanted stock android and immediate updates without a lot of work. So i got a Verizon galaxy nexus, and we all know how that went as far as a true nexus experience. This time I’m hoping for a real nexus experience so I’m planning on going to AT&T which in my area of the country has coverage as good as verizon’s though maybe not as much LTE. I don’t really need LTE though, I’ll take it, but HSPA+ is good enough for me, I’m on wifi quite a bit anyway. I have a feeling a lot of people are doing the same thing for many of the the same reasons I mention above.

    • MustWarnOthers

      There are plenty of reasons outside of small features and faster updates. The phrase “vote with your wallet” is a real and meaningful thing in this world. Verizon since its inception has done nothing but gouge customers, charge ridiculous fees, essentially tiptoe the line of what the FCC will allow them to get away with, remove incentives, fill their phones with bloatware, put their horrific meaningless branding on the front of phones, lock down features etc etc etc.

      Another part of the value of unlocked GSM devices is what if you move or are forced to move? What happens when you’re 2 months into your 2 year contract in an area where Verizon just happens to suck? You don’t have the option of possibly trying alternate carriers.

      For me personally, having even a single feature removed from the experience of a phone is enough for me to question how I’d like to spend my money. Tap to pay with NFC is something I’m really looking forward to. I have a few store brand credit cards I use occasionally that I hate having to carry around. With a Nexus I can use these freely and not have to worry about my Carrier getting into a business pissing contest with their competitors (see ISIS and Verizon’s war regarding the “secure element”.

      This is is also ignoring the fact that I don’t need a 2 year contract with a company as disgusting as Verizon is. In my opinion it’s “selling your soul to the devil” (hyperbole obviously) for LTE speeds.

      • Skittlez

        lol and i thought i was the only one that got pissed about verizon’s Wallet and ISIS problem. it pissed me off

    • Skittlez

      verizon still handicaps devices. The G2 for instance lacks the secure element for NFC, therefore not allowing you to use tap-to-pay for Wallet or ISIS. In my experience, the only device that i have ever had the latest version of android on was my Gnex. every other device i had, you had to wait til the bugs were worked out. with the Gnex, the only things i had issues with was when 4.3 didn’t work correctly with the radios on the verizon model. with a nexus, you will NEVER run into a problem like this. updates for the system and radios will be there day one. always. I’ve never had a better android experience than with the Nexus phones, and thats what it’s about to me. i don’t need an insanely good camera, or SD card, or skins. instead of being able to get unmolested stock android in a nexus, i’m forced to pay $600 for a phone, that i’m settling for, just to keep unlimited data, when i can get a phone for way less and have the cleanest android experience, and have unlimited data. when i tried the Nexus 4, HSPA+, in my area at least, was enough for a mobile phone. HD videos on youtube, netflix, and google music and websites loaded super fast. no problems at all, no throttling, and i used 10GB in that month. and this is coming from someone who has an LG G2 on Verizon with unlimited.

    • Patrick Bateman

      Can you summarize this?. I’m too lazy to read.

    • Eric Cartman

      Because of Work, I have both AT&T and Verizon… Honestly, everyplace I’ve traveled to thus far, (I travel quite a bit for work), I have consistently gotten faster speeds on AT&T LTE than Verizon LTE… Here in Portland, I regularly hit close to 60mbps down on AT&T, but have never gotten higher than 35mbps down on VZW, and that was on launch day… I haven’t gotten higher than 24mbps since, and regularly am in the teens on VZW, while I’m regularly between 35 and 60 on AT&T.

  • Philip Arnason

    I have a Nexus 4. Should I upgrade? Is the OIS sensor worth it just by itself?

    • flosserelli

      From the looks of it, everything trumps the N4 except the “talk time” (but I’m not convinced that is correct)

    • joejoe5709

      That’s a tough sell, but it seems like all the major specs are going to see a decent bump. If you’ve got some extra cash laying around, I’d do it. Or wait until after the holiday season for a great deal on an N5.

    • Skittlez

      i think if your 4 is good and you have no problems, just hold out as long as possible. the Gnex lasted me this long and i’d still use it, but i had to buy something new because my battery life was atrocious. but like joejoe said, if you have some spending cash and wanna treat yourself, why not? this 800 chip is a beast by the way

      • Philip Arnason

        Thanks for the feedback. Don’t really need more of a “beast” of a CPU, I don’t think I’m really waiting for anything to get done on the N4, the only advantage would be a more efficient processor that is kinder to the battery. The chief advantage would be the OIS sensor. I’ve been drooling over that as it is hard to get blur-free shots. I think it’ll come down to price. If we’re talking about $500 i’ll wait for the next iteration, if it’s under $400, maybe.

        • Skittlez

          well when i say beast, i don’t mean performance persay, evern thought it does outperform everything. when i say beast i mean well-rounded as far as performance and battery efficiency. it’s pretty incredible. yes the OIS sensor is pretty amazing, but i feel like it really only kicks on when you’re doing video, or maybe it actually kicks in when you take the pic. on the G2, in photo mode, you move around and it’s not perfect, but then you switch ti video mode, and its super smooth. regardless, the pictures come out amazing. if you’re worried about price, i wouldn’t worry too much. i would say a $20-$30 increase. $379 or $389 for the 16GB and $429 or $439 for the 32.

    • Pedro

      I plan on upgrading, but somewhat to provide a backup for 3 lines of pre-paid.
      The N4 will sit on a shelf, on the off chance that a 12 or 21 year old drops her phone (again).

  • Droon

    I like the fact that everyone here is suddenly an expert when it comes to battery performance.

    I understand reason to be skeptical. I am totally skeptical of the 2300mAH, but I also realize that I do not understand the inner workings of circuitry and CPU optimization to know that 2300mAH is going to be far too little. (I do know a little bit about software optimizations)

    Seriously, calm down. Yes, 2300mAH might be way too little, but it also might be completely fine. We just don’t know yet (unless you have a dev version of the device). As long as it can get me through a day with moderate use, that is fine with me.

    • sdny8

      Name one android phone larger than 4.3″ that is fine with that size battery. Please I need a laugh

      • Moto X

      • Droon

        Someone beat me to it.

        Moto X: 4.7 @ 2200 mAH.

        • sdny8

          Ahh the 2 obvious choices. The moto x I’ll give you but its running a dual core processor and has a screen that is .3″ and 25% less pixels. The one. Maybe all day performance for some, not for me. I need off charger at 6am. Screen on time of 3-6 hrs including a hr of game playing. Last until 7-9 pm. The one doesn’t cut it.

      • JMonkeYJ

        HTC One: 4.7″ with 2300 mAh battery and gets me thru the day easily unless i do lots of “hardcore” (eg 3D) gaming.

        Edit: just wanted to add that android 4.3 made a pretty big difference for battery life. and the N5 also has the 800 which should again make a large difference. i have a feeling that 2300 will be fine (but i won’t argue that more wouldn’t be better!).

      • Skittlez

        in the beginning, my Gnex would get me 16-20 hours on a regular basis. 4.65″ with 1850mAH.

        Just for reference with the chipsets in the Nexus 5 and G2, my G2 easily lasts me close to 2 days with 3000mAH on a 5.2 inch screen. The Nexus 5 with have the same chipset, on a 4.96 inch screen, with a battery that is more than 2/3′s the size, i don’t see it having any issues. plus the phone will be much cheaper

        • joejoe5709

          Well… I know it’s nowhere near an exact science but if you take your battery to screen ratio theory and apply it to the Nexus 5, the math doesn’t quite add up. With the same 3000mAh to 5.2″ screen ratio, that would mean a 2300mAh would get similar battery life from a 3.9″ screen. And the iPhone5S does fine with far far less than that. Yikes. So it’s fuzzy math at best. And I think this also makes it clear that the G2 is a beast with battery life.

          So let’s take the GS4 into account which is still a relevant phone with very good battery life and a similar screen size. It has 2600mAh. The Droid Ultra has a similar screen size (granted 720p powered by dual core) and a smaller battery. According to reviews, both should get you about at least day of moderate use. So I’m not terribly worried. It won’t be up there with the Droid Maxx, G2, etc but it should be right in line with other flagships.

          • Skittlez

            but remember, the S4 doesn’t have the 800, which is way more efficient. my friend got 50 hours and 50 minutes on his G2. so imagine waht the 2300 could still be capable of. and who knows what KitKat can bring. all i’m saying is, people shouldn’t think bad about it until it’s out. look at the MotoX

  • BrianRoskamp

    This should definitely be an offering on Republic Wireless!

  • sdny8

    I just can’t see leaving unlimited data behind for that kind of battery life. Its a shame because battery is a known issue with android as a whole, if your making your reference device that you want other manufacturers to follow, you’d think you’d resolve known issues. It’d be nice to have premium hardware and software available in an android phone without having to root. I guess we can all start to hope the play edition devices become what the nexus line is never going to be.

    • http://www.deathbycone.com Jared Kotoff

      leaving unlimited data? t-mo has unlimited everything for less. (I don’t have unlimited minuets on vz)
      im considering switching myself.

      • BobbyG

        Not for me. Family plan = $10 for my line, $30 data + ~$10 for insurance. Paying $50 for unlimited data on Verizon. Cheaper and much better coveraged when compared to T-Mobile

        • http://www.deathbycone.com Jared Kotoff

          $30 for additional lines with unlimited on T-Mo.
          Idk about insurance, but im sure its still less than $50.

          • sdny8

            No matter what the savings I’m not leaving LTE for tomo 2g at my house.

            BTW I was saying the carrier change wasn’t an option for We all live in different places and have different needs. Can we please stop arguing about carriers. At least arguing about phones is slightly less subjective.

    • Skittlez

      you’ve used a Nexus 5?

  • cgmartin33

    Is it just me or is Verizon giving off the same vibe as iOS with their precious locked down network? Verizon locks down devices to protect the speed and integrity of their network (and also to cram bloatware down our throats) with all of their VZW core apps…and SJ’s “magical device” has no customization because they have no faith in the user and want it to perform perfectly. Having to spend $500-700 on a developer edition to have some freedom is just plain retarded. I think I am officially done with Verizon…or if I want to feel absolute imprisonment I can just throw in the the towel and get an iPhone on VZW…

    • flosserelli

      How about handcuffs and a ball gag while you’re at it? Go all out.

  • EP_2012

    A bigger battery with WAY less battery life… WTF are these guys thinking when they make these devices?

    • shecalledmejay

      It’s the LTE

      • EP_2012

        I have a hard time believing that you get approx. 40% less battery life on LTE with a battery that has almost 10% more capacity. Something is wrong here… other phones don’t take such a huge hit on LTE.

        • shecalledmejay

          Think about it though all of the LTE phones that last all day are the ones with 3000+ batteries and The Moto X but Motorola added that extra chip or something didn’t they

          • EP_2012

            You’re going to have to explain this:

            http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6330/50475.png

            The iphone 5 (with it’s 1440mAh battery) and the HTC One X (1800 mAh) both do much better with LTE on vs. 3g. Hell, on the iphone 5, you get DOUBLE the battery life with LTE on.

            The poor battery life on the Nexus 5 is either very lazy optimization or poor hardware/software combinations.

          • shecalledmejay

            The Nexus 5 is getting 9 hours, it;s doing better than all of these phones on the list. And all of these phones are old actually.

          • EP_2012

            And the Nexus 4 gets 15+… that’s what my OP was about… more battery life and way less usage. If the chart I posted holds true for the Nexus 5 LTE, switching to 3g will give maybe 4hours talk time… it’s like the Galaxy Nexus all over again.

          • shecalledmejay

            Yeah but my Gnex is literally on it’s last leg, I’m leaning towards the Moto X if the Nexus 5 really doesn’t come to Verizon

        • Skittlez

          thats only talk time on WCDMA that is listed in the manual. take this with a grain of salt. i bet it’s more in the real world. the 800 is a very efficient chipset

          • EP_2012

            I’d hope that it’s more in the real world. The battery life listed on the official Galaxy Nexus page was was more than real world use… pissed a lot of people off.

          • Skittlez

            i know in the beginning, my gnex was a champ. it lasted me 16-20 hours regularly….until 4.2 came along. that didn’t play too nice with the Gnex

          • EP_2012

            I loved my GNex, but I swear I hated the 2h on-screen time it had. Made it useless unless you had extra batteries or had it plugged into a wall.

    • Pedro

      More screen.
      And, really, I’m going to charge me phone sometime in the months it takes me to talk 9+ hours on my phone.

      • EP_2012

        That’s the thing… I’m assuming you’ll use your 1080p device to watch movies, play games or do anything else with the screen on. If the phone can’t even pull more than 9h of talk time, you’re going to have pretty crappy on-screen time (i.e. not enough to get you through the day).

        The Nexus 4 had a non-replaceable battery, but it cranked out close to double the talk time… if the Nexus 5 has a non-replaceable battery, you’re gonna have a bad time.

        • Pedro

          I don’t know about that.
          I have a wireless charger (the orb) on my desk at work.
          I have a TYLT VU on my desk at home. I have another Energizer wireless charger in my living room. I have NEVER had to worry about battery life unless I’m trying to determine how long it would work if I decided not to recharge. And I stopped worrying about that months ago.

          If it didn’t have wireless charging, I might be worried about USB port wear. But it does, so the only time I plug it in is when I’m transferring a new ROM to it.

          • EP_2012

            I can see that in your case, it may not be a worry. In my case, if I was out with my family on a hike, using GPS on my phone and taking photo or video while out, then perhaps we might go out to a theatre and then out for dinner. A phone with poor battery life would be a nightmare and I’d either have to not use the phone as I please, carry extra batteries (if the phone allows swappable batteries), charge the phone at very inconvenient places or simply accept that my phone will die halfway through the day.

            None of those sound good and even with my Note 2, I’ve run down the batteries during a full day of real-world use.

  • flosserelli

    “We aren’t exactly sure why Verizon isn’t included…”

    Because Verizon is the largest group of corporate douchebags on the planet, that’s why. And Google decided to give them a big fat middle finger.

  • DavinFelth

    Any idea if it will have a removable battery?

  • Liderc

    No one on this site cares if you go by the poles since 85% of us are on Verizon. Pointless phone.

    • flosserelli

      Your situation/opinion does not mirror the entire DL readership, so your argument is null & void.

      • Liderc

        According to their polls, my opinion is very valid. Check the polls, more than 80% of DL’s users are on Verizon.

        Trust me, I would die for the Nexus 5, but the simple fact is this phone isn’t going to be on the network that the majority of DL users are on, which just so happens to be the largest network in the US and the most advanced in terms of LTE coverage. It will be forgotten because of this.

        • flosserelli

          Re-read my comment. You and 80% of the poll *participants* may be on Verizon, but that does not mirror the ENTIRE readership.

        • Pedro

          Sounds like 20% not bent over.

    • Rabid Rotty

      pointless remark

    • joejoe5709

      I wouldn’t say we don’t care. I’d say we are watching this unfold very very carefully.

    • Skittlez

      and? most of us on the site also have the Gnex, and most of those people have contracts that are up in december. so this is actually very important, seeing as this could be gnex users’ next phone.

  • John Davids

    444.13 PPI is what the Nexus 5 will have if the screen size and resolution are accurate.

    • joejoe5709

      Wow. To my knowledge the only flagship with higher resolution is the HTC One. Sure, the PPI difference between anything above the high 300′s in minimal, but this will be a gorgeous screen. Hopefully it’s really bright like the new N7.

  • stabone

    Nexus 4 is called 4 because it’s the 4th gen not because of screen size. 5 is called such because of the same thing. Nexus 7 and 10 is called that because of of screen size, not because they’re the 7th and 10th generation…. I sometimes hate naming schemes that don’t line up with the rest of the company models.

    • a3uge

      Not this again…

  • litobirdy

    So this is going to work on Sprint which is also CDMA.. but NOT verizon? that is just sooooooooooooooooooooo sooooooooooooo insulting to Verizon users… that is just messed messed up. Verizon doesn’t give a dam about their users

    • flosserelli

      You’re obviously not a Verizon customer. They are used to getting bitchslapped on a regular basis.

      • litobirdy

        actually I am a verizon customer.. I’m just still with them because of my good price with 2 lines and unlimited data

        • flosserelli

          Ditto.

  • Guy Meatdrapes

    …..

  • Luxferro

    Is that correct? Nexus 4 has over 6 hours more of talk time?

    • flosserelli

      I was surprised by that too. Ouch.

    • Skittlez

      thats only the WCDMA talk time. i would still take it with a grain of salt though

  • Keith0606

    DL, time to make a poll of the day… How many DL readers planning on jumping off verizon for Nexus 5 once it’s official. I’ve already decided i’m definitely doing this without even seeing the thing. I’m just curious what percentage of other DL readers are planning on doing that as well. Maybe the four options are: definitely leaving verizon for it immediately, I will be in once my contract is up, sticking with whatever device I’ve got, or not sure yet.

    • Steve B

      Once my contract is up…December 15….counting it down.

      • Mort

        Day 1 GNex adopter! I was, too. However, I swallowed the ETF and picked up a N4 with a Net10 SIM back in May. By the time my contract would have ended, I will have more than broken even.

        • Steve B

          Smart man. My break even date was last December but I didn’t have the balls to leave Verizon yet.

          Now:

          http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/077/988/my_body_is_ready.png

          • ChristianMcC

            I can not get enough of that quote! Oh, Reggie….

        • Pedro

          I jumped in February. Second (daughter) line in March. Wife moved to just business phone. Broke even in August, moving from $245 to $75 in pre-paid. No insurance along with a daughter’s dropped N4 added another $140. But still, mo’ money fo’ me every month.

          And I was a Dec 15th contract-er, too.

    • Quest

      Dec 21 no more verizon for me!

    • BrianRoskamp

      If only I could figure out how to stop gradually extending my contract end-date month by month. My 2 year contract has become a 2.5 year contract…

    • flosserelli

      An additional option: I will leave when they force everyone onto tiered data

    • Higher_Ground

      Depending on the final price I’d almost be willing to an ETF.

    • rreich49

      I’m making the move December 15th.

    • Sharkh20

      I am.

      Getting this phone and leaving Verizon that is.

    • HarvesterX

      I’m already off contract with VZW and going money to month with unlimited (and on a regional promotional plan) $59 a month. I currently have zero incentive to even worry about the Nexus 5, as I have a rooted LG G2. Its always nice knowing though that if I needed to, I could sell my G2 and switch. And +1 to continued use of LCD display on LG’s part. There is no excuse for companies (*cough* Motorola and Samsung) using AMOLED displays especially on their top end devices (DROID life, Moto x, Galaxy Gx, Note x). Anybody with an AMOLED device and who uses app or game with static UI elements knows exactly what I mean. There is no excuse to high end decides should suffer from screen burn. This only applies to people who are on an app or game or hours, but LOTS of people do and LOTS of people think screen burn-in is an artifact of the past and that their new Note 3 or DROID is impervious to it.

      Manufacturers need to step up. The G2′s display is gorgeous and feels like silk. The Nexus 5 I’m sure will also be beautiful. I used to hate LG after using an old Ally that my son’s mom used to have (back when i had an OG DROID).

  • interstellarmind

    Am I the only one who thinks a 1080p screen (vs a 720p screen) is a waste of CPU and battery resources and an unnecessary cost-booster?

    Is the difference between 1080 and 720 screens really THAT noticeable?

    If the N5 is going to retail more than $300-$350 (because of this) then I’ll be sticking with my N4.

    • [A]dri[A]n

      THANK YOU! 1080p screens on phones are absolutely STUPID. I don’t see how anyone can tell the difference. My budget, $200 phone has a 720p screen and it looks identical than the 1080p screens I’ve had on phones. All 1080p screens do is make battery life worse than it already is. 1080p on a tablet? Okay. On a phone? NO.

    • Liderc

      If you look at the Moto X you can definitely tell it’s 720P compared to the HTC One with its 1080P screen. While it will hurt the battery, it’s definitely a noticeable increase.

      • blix247

        I think the battery might be the soft spot on this device. Its taking on LTE and a more power hungry display, but only getting a 10% battery capacity increase. Is the processor less power hungry than its predecessor?

        • Skittlez

          with the 800 chipset, the battery used for display is pretty minimal. never really accounts for more than 40% of the battery loss

    • flosserelli

      It depends on your eyes. Some people can easily see a difference, others not so much. I can see pixels on my Note 2 if I try *really* hard, but my eyes are way beyond their prime years.

    • Jeff

      While I would rather have a 4.7″ 720p screen like the Moto X over the 5″ 1080p screen on the N5, I am not going to argue if they are giving me the higher resolution screen in a phone that’s cheaper than the Moto X.

    • joejoe5709

      Debatable for sure. And the Moto X definitely has a great screen despite 720p. But the screen is THE most important thing to me so 1080p is nice to have. In the next 2 years we’ll be seeing 4K HD screens on phones I’m sure. Necessary or not, but I don’t want to be left with anything less than 1080p.

      • interstellarmind

        Ah, your concern is future-proofing. I TOTALLY understand that.

        BUT, future-proofing makes sense to me when it comes to GPU, CPU, camera hardware (like OIS, for eg). Not Screen.

        How many games are out now that do not work well on last gen GPUs (or CPUs)? Right.

        Now, how many times has screen resolution (comparing 720 to 1080) been a limiting factor on using an app or game? …none that I can think of.

        In all honesty, I’d have traded the 1080 screen for an extra gb of RAM.

        P.S. I’d also trade in a 13MP camera for an 8MP camera (and thus lowering cost and maintaining everyday-user-noticeable-quality), and it seems Google has done that.

    • Skittlez

      i can see this being $379 for the 16GB and $429 for the 32GB. i think thats insanely reasonable, seeing that the screen is 1080p vs the $600 moto x with 720p. plus the 800 chip is very very efficient. the display never really accounts for more than 40% of the battery loss

  • Crazydog

    The screen is 5.5% bigger but the device is 2.2% smaller. This thing must have nearly no bezel anywhere.

    • maratu

      Seriously! If this really is even smaller than the n4, I’m a definite buy. But it seems so counter intuitive. I guess that’s what happened with the s3 to s4 too though?

    • ChristianMcC

      Top and bottom still a good size, but shrunken, and side is slightly smaller than N4.

  • jer85008

    OK, with CDMA and LTE band 4 support, is Google hoping to convince Verizon to allow this phone on their network? What are the chances of them working out a deal as Verizon rolls out band 4 coverage? I know, I know, pure speculation….

    • Steve B

      Not happening.

  • Kindroid

    Where is Verizon?

    • Ian

      Where have you been?

      The device won’t support Verizon’s network frequencies as far as we’ve seen/heard.

      • j

        That’s not an answer. The question is, if they made it to support CDMA and it works for Sprint, why didn’t they make it work for VZW too?

        The answer is because Verizon didn’t want it, or they will release it after the fact like the One after it finally makes its way through the gauntlet.

        • SplashMTN

          Sprint likely gave permission to Google (CDMA requires permission to join the network). Verizon did not which means no Verizon compatibility.

          Verizon does not want a device like this on their network because they can’t “approve” updates and install bloatware like they do on ever other device (minus iPhones).

          • MustWarnOthers

            Verizon also hates these types of devices because it gives the consumer more power through choice. They also hate it because it probably already burns them up inside that Apple won’t let them put their horrific branding all over the phone. Verizon pretends like they provide value to a smartphone, when they are simply a pipe for voice and data. They need to learn their role. Voting with your wallet is the only power a consumer has left when it comes to dealing with Verizon.

    • [A]dri[A]n

      No Verizon on this phone. Google hates Verizon Lol

      • nerd

        No, Verizon hates Google. They also hate progress and innovation.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          And puppies. Don’t forget that Verizon hates puppies.

          • Pedro

            They couldn’t care less about puppies.

            Puppies have no money they can take.

    • GJV

      So far up Samsung’s @$$ you wouldn’t believe it.

  • Phil Hyde

    It seems unlikely that they would keep the “Nexus 4″ name with such a large spec and size bump. Rather, maybe it will just be “Nexus”?

  • nobody72

    small battery+lte; doom. Also no sd slot

    • Droidzilla

      I don’t know; battery life on my Nexus 4 didn’t really change going from HSPA+ to LTE so it might not be bad. The 1st gen LTE modems were insanely bad, but they’ve really improved.

  • tomn1ce

    I don’t think that Google wants to go through the headache that they went through with vzw and the G-Nexus. I think even when vzw goes LTE only it will be hard for Google to include vzw LTE bands on future Nexus devices. Look what they did with the Nexus 7 LTE version on vzw.

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      I think with VoLTE, Google can go all-in on Verizon. They added Verizon LTE support to the Nexus 7 (2013) because Verizon can’t say no to them. CDMA is just a different animal.

      • Joshua Bailey

        At that point you have to figure that T-Mobile’s network will only get stronger.

        Question for you, I have two unlimited data plans with VZW. If I go to T-Mobile for the N5, is there any way I can just pay for the data plan on VZW to keep it active and throw the sim into a tablet or something? Just in case VZW does get a VoLTE phone in 2014/2015, I wouldn’t mind paying $30/month to hold onto the unlimited data.

        • Skittlez

          i don’t think you can do that because the data is an add-on, so without a voice plan, for a phone, you lose the data.

      • tomn1ce

        Yeah but look what vzw is doing. Many can’t connect their N7 with a new sim for that devive from vzw. Now vzw is dragging their feet to get the N7 certified.

    • florious80

      Like I pointed out in the past, Even with VoLTE in place, Verizon can still deny the phone/tablet to work on their service until they feel like it. Many have pointed out that it was previously agreed upon during the acquisition of the spectrum, but as in the case of N7, they can claim anything they want to delay granting access, until the unit is obsolete. Those scumbags.

  • onDroid

    Let’s hope for an Oct 31st release. Google is giving us Kit Kats for Halloween.

    • Droidzilla

      Let’s hope for earlier!

      • onDroid

        Google and Kit Kat are wasting an opportunity if they don’t do some kind of tie in with Halloween. Either announce the phone on the 31st or release it that day. I would prefer the latter.

        • Droidzilla

          I didn’t even think of the potential for that tie-in, but now that you mention it I bet you’re right!

        • jimv1983

          If they are planning for release on the 31st it means the announcement would have to be pretty soon. Invites to the event still haven’t gone out yet. They better hurry up.

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    the camera looks better in this pic.

  • Bradley Michael

    why no gsm 900 band?

    • gadget_hero

      is that band perhaps being heavily re-farmed for HSPA/LTE?

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Added 900 back in. Service manual didn’t show 900 from what I could tell, and I can’t go double check with the FCC because our f-ing government is shut down. But I’d be surprised if it didn’t have it.

      • Droidzilla

        *Our f-ing government is selectively shut down.

        Want to see how Michelle Obama thinks your kids should eat? That site’s still up:
        http://www.letsmove.gov/

  • gadget_hero

    I would presume this is the first phone to work on 3 of the 4 major carriers in the US? That alone is an enticing feature.

    • Autumn Raine

      Galaxy Nexus worked on all 4 major carriers once the unlocked GSM version came out

      • gadget_hero

        Oh I thought there were different hardware versions on that phone.

        • Autumn Raine

          Never mind you’re right, forgot about toro,toroplus,maguro all being different hardware models.

          • gadget_hero

            I am hoping this is more or less how all future smartphones work, you buy it and can go to any of the major carriers with it.

  • Devi8

    At least the Back won’t crack like the OG N4

  • A.Miller

    If this camera is decent, I’d pay full retail to get it on VZW.

    • [A]dri[A]n

      This phone isn’t gonna work on Verizon Lol

    • Robert Macri

      If it were to work on Verizon, I’d be buying this at full retail, giving my wife the X and selling her S4…. but it won’t work, so its just dreams at this point.

  • Craig

    The battery life is worse than the Nexus 4?
    Gez…

  • A.Miller

    Obviously speculation, but what do you guys think camera will be like?

    • Ian

      I’m willing to bet that it will capture images.

      • T4rd

        And probably videos too. Maybe with sound to go with them, but that may be pushing it.

        • Jason Brown

          Never actually seen a camera capture audio usually microphones do that.

          • T4rd

            If you read carefully, you can see that you fail.

          • Jason Brown

            My bad I forgot to use /s

    • Droidzilla

      I think it will be round.

    • Jonathan Williams

      Thanks for beating Iowa.

  • Morbid138

    Announce it already damn it!!!!!!!

    • Robert Macri

      at least announce an announcement date

      • Droidzilla

        Or announce that you’re going to announce the announcement date.

  • [A]dri[A]n

    This phone sounds like it’s gonna be expensive. I don’t see how it will be priced anywhere near the Nexus 4. I’m thinking this is gonna be like $450, and I think that’s perfectly reasonable.

    • Droidzilla

      The Nexus 4 was cutting edge in many respects when it was released; S4 Pro, 2GB RAM, dat LCD, etc. Comparable phones at the time were selling for the same as their counterparts today (S3, iPhone 5, etc.), so I hold out hope for the same pricing.

      • [A]dri[A]n

        I doubt it will be the same price. It has to be at least $400. This phone is obviously more expensive to make than the Nexus 4, therefor it has to be a bit more expensive than the Nexus 4.

        • Droidzilla

          How do you figure this is more expensive to make today than the Nexus 4 was to make last year?

          • [A]dri[A]n

            The screen and the processor alone I’m sure are more expensive.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            The screen and processor probably cost as much as the screen and processor in the N4 cost at that time.

          • Droidzilla

            Exactly! I can’t see how people aren’t getting this. The Galaxy S2, S3, and S4 have all been about $599 off contract and $199 on contract. Of course the S3 was more advanced than the S2 and the S4 than the S3.

          • hkklife

            Agreed. I predict $399 for 16GB & $450 for 32GB. Just like the N7 2013 vs the drastically cost-reduced 2012 edition, Google has no qualms about going up in price on a hardware refresh (unlike, say, Apple).

          • [A]dri[A]n

            Exactly. Obviously this is gonna be more expensive. I don’t see how anyone could think this is gonna be the same price. It’s a pretty nice upgrade. Everything is better on it. How can it not be more expensive? Haha

          • Droidzilla

            16GB, WiFi Nexus 7 released for $249. The 16GB, WiFi Nexus 7 2013 edition is $229. Your logic is seriously flawed. Top tier phones do not increase in price every year beyond simple inflation (often not even that, so it’s an effective price cut) and they ALWAYS have a better processor, screen, modems, etc.

          • Skittlez

            i’m calling $379 and $429

        • Steve B

          This is the same argument people made about the Nexus 4 last year, then Google shocked the industry with $299.

  • kyle

    4.7 inch screen to pretty much a 5 inch screen and yet the dimensions are smaller, that’s awesome

  • Booyah

    No way this will be under $400.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    All this nexus 5 news got me looking at my beloved HTC One out of the corner of my eye….

    • JoshGroff

      I was considering it, but I really love those speakers.

      • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

        Love my speakers too and I even really like Sense 5 (minus some weird quirks)…But first time we’re seeing such up to date powerful specs in a nexus. I’m just itching to get my hands on one… espcially with all the goodies to come in 4.4

        • Droidzilla

          The Nexus 4 actually had some killer specs for the time it was released in. It was up against the likes of the S3, so having an S4 Pro quad core, 2GB RAM, and that stunning LCD was actually pretty awesome for the time. If my wife didn’t break hers I wouldn’t even consider upgrading to the N5.

    • clobberedchina

      “All this nexus 5 news got me looking at my beloved HTC One out of the corner of my eye….”

      Oh come on, you know you love your HTC One. If you have a really great girlfriend, you don’t just dump her for the next pretty girl you see. You think about it, sure….

  • Detonation

    “there really is very little we know about the phone outside of a release date and price”

    don’t*

  • Michael Robinson

    Wait how can it work with sprint and not verizon if they are both cdma?

    • [A]dri[A]n

      Because the phone doesn’t support Verizon frequencies.

    • Ian

      It would probably technically work with Verizon’s CDMA networks, just not their LTE networks. Although, you’d never get them to activate it on just their CDMA network.

      • http://twitter.com/savagejeep SavageJeep

        Neither according to the FCC documentation.

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Because Sprint probably said “Sure, you can use your phone on our CDMA network,” and Verizon said “Uhhh…we want to test it for 6-12 months and we also want to test all updates…and uhhh, delay everything to piss off customers.” Google then said “Moving on without you!”

      In other words, Verizon has control over their CDMA network and Google would need approval to put their phone on it.

      • Michael Robinson

        That why i’ll be buying it and moving to a different carrier

        • OreoMan

          Ditto.

        • Droidzilla

          Did the same when the Nexus 4 came out and haven’t regretted it. I pay the same for unlimited everything and home WiFi (cell service with T-Mobile) as I did for just Verizon on tiered data.

          • Michael Robinson

            Oh i’ll be more than cutting my bill in half once I get it and switch to AIO Wireless. Bounces off of ATT service without the ATT hassel

    • JR Jones

      This service manual says its for the 821, the 820 was said to be specific to VZW lte band 13 in the US, the 821 was said to work on all other GSM and CDMA bands. Verge reported both rolled though FCC like two or three weeks ago.

      • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

        Band 13 is absent in the FCC docs.

    • Steve B

      Does a circle peg and a square peg both fit in the same hole?

  • Daryel Villavicencio

    I’m really thinking about getting the G2 instead of the Nexus 5. Will wait another week to decide. Gotta retire this GNex.

    • BobButtons

      If on Verizon, it’s an obvious choice. :-P

      • Steve B

        Yup, time to leave Verizon.

        • BobButtons

          Easier said than done. I constantly get people on here saying “Just switch to T-mobile! Switch to T-mobile! It’s cheaper & has the newest phones!” If I were to switch to T-mobile I might as well go phone-less and save even more money. Their service is horrendous in my state and has consistently ranked with Sprint at the very bottom of the list in terms of carrier quality here. AT&T is better but still isn’t ideal in the 2 towns in which I spend most of my time. I’m always excited to own the latest and greatest device but without a network on which it’s usable, it’s pretty pointless to own.

    • pookietookie

      I’ve got the same issue. I have a slow and battery hungry GNex and I want the Nexus 5 but currently on Verizon with a grandfathered unlimited data plan. So I can leave Verizon, do an AT&T or T-Mobile pre-paid monthly plan, and get a sweet Nexus 5 with near-instant updates to new OS releases — but take a hit on the data side since I’ll have to pony up for more GB/month with AT&T. The other option is to stay on Verizon and get the G2, root and unlock that bitch, and just HOPE that someone does a nice, AOSP ROM that integrates the newest versions of Android. I’m thus far seeing zero working ROMs for Verizon G2 that are AOSP based. Most are stock LG with some bloat removed. Really not the same thing… But amidst all that, I would still be on Verizon’s network with unlimited data. SUCH a tough call. Pluses and minuses either way. :-(

      • Daryel Villavicencio

        How much data do you really use? I’m on AT&T and have a 3gb plan but I rarely ever get to 1gb. I’m on wifi when I’m home and I have wifi at work. I can understand someone wanting to keep their unlimited plan if they didn’t have a regular broadband connection at home, but I just don’t get how some people use 20gb or 60gb of data unless they’re torrenting or watching Netflix 5 hours a day.

        • pookietookie

          I usually hover around 4GB or so. WiFi at home, yes — but not at work, where it’s restricted. So maybe I’d have to pay another $20/month to AT&T for a 4GB plan. Who knows… I should also add that the 3000mAh battery in the G2 sounds much better than the 2300 mAh battery on the Nexus 5.

        • James Friedman

          I pay for FIOS at my house and have wifi at work so I am in the same boat as you. However I went on vacation this summer and the place I stayed at had crappy DSL so I flipped on my hotspot on my GNex on Verizon and burned through about 22GB just watching youtube etc. throughout the entire week. Now this was 1 week out the year that I actually needed the unlimited data but I guess some people do what I did more often then we would. I suspect some people out there just use their phones as a hotspot instead of paying for home internet service. Which is probably ruining it for everyone else cause they abuse the unlimited 4G LTE

          • ChristianMcC

            I do, on T-Mobile. It’s faster than the DSL, and 1/2 the price of the equivalent Cable. Once Google finishes their Fiber in my area, I’ll probably go for that on the 5Mbps plan, but we’ll cross that road when it’s done.

      • Shawn Spring

        Personally, with LG making the G2 & the Nexus 5, (and the dev community still growing at this point for the G2) I can’t imagine it will be too much longer after the N5 drops that there will be awesome AOSP ROMs for the G2. That hardware + AOSP ROM = win. More win than the N5, I’m thinking. And YES, I do own a Verizon G2, rooted, and Clean ROM flashed on it.

        • pookietookie

          How is Clean ROM working for you? And just curious, but how have you found the oddly placed volume switch? Tolerable? No big deal at all? Or horribly annoying?

          • Shawn Spring

            Clean ROM is very tight and stable. Its the LG UI, but a few minor tweaks. I’d love an AOSP ROM, but its fine for now. The back volume buttons hardly bother me at all. Placement took a few days to get used to, and after that – good to go. I hardly use them really, with Knock On and the screen allows you to change volumes in some apps. You barely need to use them at all.

      • http://infotainmentempire.blogspot.com Rob

        I have unlimited on Verizon as well and I’m not leaving until they force me out. No point in giving that up if you already have it, just use the hell out of it.

        • Pedro

          I have unlimited with T-mobile. Sure, it’s throttled at 5GB, but I rarely use more than 2GB.

          And I pay $30 a month for both data and voice.

          • http://infotainmentempire.blogspot.com Rob

            That is a pretty good deal. I used up almost 10 GB this past billing cycle. I stream everything and pay extra to tether (unlimited) from my phone too.

          • Skittlez

            it’s not throttled at 5GB. i mean i used 10GB in a month and wasn’t throttled once. All HSPA+

            Edit: just saw you have the $30 plan

  • Ian

    “there really is very little we don’t know about the phone outside of a release date and price.”

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Fixed. :)

      • Ian Smith

        i see how it is

  • Ian Smith

    Galaxy Nexus was released on 17-November and Nexus 4 was released on 13-November. Hoping for 17th release, the latest.

  • Devi8

    9 hr talk time vs 15.3 on the old nexus, considering how bad the OG n4 is without LTE thats going to be tough

    • Droidzilla

      My N4 with LTE (on T-Mobile’s LTE) is actually pretty decent, though I’m running a custom ROM/kernel.

    • Skittlez

      i guess it depends on the user. i had a N4 for a month, and had nothing but good battery life. i think there was like 5 days out of the month where i had less than 1 day of use on it, and even then it was 22 and 23 hours.

  • Edward Smith

    I hope they keep the price down

  • J Davis

    I want a Nexus phone sooo bad I may have to just go with T mobile on this if Verizon deprives us AGAIN

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Or At&t that 60$ pre-paid is pretty golden. Unless you’re trying to sign a contract

      • A.Miller

        Can you link me to that? I can’t find it.

      • J Davis

        That sounds pretty good. I haven’t really looked into switching since I have 5 lines on Verizon, only 1 is in the last yr of the contract. I may just get this phone and see how AT&T works out for me. I know lots of people on AT&T that don’t like their service but I am willing to try it for myself at this point.

      • Jérôme Besnard

        Just switch to Straight talk with ATT sim card. Works great and only $45.

        • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

          Straight talk could never get my money. No roaming and ridiculous data capping/throttling mess

          • CHRIS42060

            Yea I am so happy I found out about them throttling users to 2G coverage before I made the switch!

          • Kevin Phillips

            if straight talk uses everyones towers, why would you need to roam? Unless you live in the Great White North

          • ChristianMcC

            You know, oddly they don’t allow roaming between Tmo and ATT sims, so if you get a pentaband phone, or unlocked ATT, definitely want to get the ATT sim, but even then, there is a limit. They break it down between android and non-android.

    • maratu

      I made the jump shortly ago in preparation. If the coverage is decent where you live, you’ll be saving some serious money, and have so much more access to all the phones you want. Totally worth it.

      • GoBlue

        What kind of data plan did you get?

        • maratu

          So you have to get the $50 plan to start, then I added the $20 for unlimited data, the actual unlimited, not the throttled after 2.5gb kind. Tested it for 2 weeks, should be great for my own use. I’m interested to see what else they’re offering after this week’s announcement though.

    • Siege

      Made that switch back in June, and I have no complaints.

      • Dale

        I am nervous about switching to T-Mobile due to the fact I spend a decent amount of time in rural areas.

        • SplashMTN

          I’m going to give AIO a shot. I know that they throttle down to 8mbps, but compared to what I’m getting on VZ’s network with my GNEX I think I can make it work just fine.

          • mcdonsco

            What network does AIO run on? I thought I heard of a pre-paid that runs on Verizon’s network, is that AIO?

          • SplashMTN

            AIO runs on AT&T so you’re good to go with any unlocked GSM phone from what I understand. I’m hoping it works well but if not I’ll just take the N5 to GoPhone. I’d try T-mobile but I’m around rural areas too much and I’m not sure I trust the coverage.

          • Kevin Phillips

            You may want to try Straight Talk or that new one prepaid plan from Target. I mean unless you want to pay $20 for only 200MB of data

          • SplashMTN

            They have unlimited with capping after 2gb for $55 or unlimited with capping after 7gb for $70. Straight Talk caps at 2.5 gb (which they just now confessed to). At least AIO is upfront about throttling.

            I’ve also heard Straight Talk’s Customer Support is awful, while hearing only good things about AIO. I figure if it doesn’t work out it won’t be a huge deal as I can change carriers the next month.

            EDIT: Read “capping” in the first paragraph as “throttling”. I just re-read what I wrote and realized it may be confusing.

          • Fattie McDoogles

            Just try T-Mobile’s service for a month of prepaid. If you know you want to switch to prepaid anyways what does it hurt to try it for a month? You would be paying the same amount anyways and with T-Mobile there’s no throttling if you get unlimited.

          • ChristianMcC

            If you want to try Tmo the two best single line cheap plans are the Walmart 2.5GB unl TT for $40, and the T-mobile 100min 5GB for $30. Both throttle after the initial data allotment. Straight talk I’d say is the best ATT network plan, since $10 less than aio for the same and also gets LTE, but I’ve heard mixed reviews.

          • Zoobey

            Page Plus Cellular? 2GB for $55

        • J Davis

          Share the same concern..

        • Astroprojector

          Forget rural area. I am located less than a mile from T Mobile tower and on the best day get 1 bar on E in the house. Using Galaxy Nexus. Galaxy Nexus on Verizon gets full bars on 4G in the same house.

          • mike jones

            Obviously you are not less than a mile from a TMobile tower then dumbo.

        • mcdonsco

          I tried the switch and found tmobile voice and text worked fine in pretty much all rural areas where Verizon worked as well, but the big difference was in data. In rural areas I had a lot of trouble getting data on Tmobile; that’s why I ended up sticking with Verizon.

        • Andrew Moore

          I just drove from Colorado to Wisconsin and back, and I have a T-Mobile Nexus 4. My experience was: T-Mobile has crap for coverage outside of major cities in rural Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois, and Wisconsin. I could roam voice, and periodically get 3G Data (I didn’t enable Data Roaming) in some of the medium-sized cities. Racine, WI, Des Moines, IA, and Omaha, NE were the only places I got anything near 4G.

          It was a fortunate thing I downloaded an offline mapping application, otherwise my phone would have been useless for me (well… besides the music I had on there).

          I otherwise do still very much enjoy my T-Mobile $30/month prepaid plan here in Colorado.

          • Itchy_Robot

            We sound very similarly minded. I plan on switching from Verizon to Tmobile when the Nexus 5 is launched. The $30 Tmo deal is too good to pass up, especially since most of my time is in a major city with great 4G service. I’m just going to have to set myself to be more productive offline instead of using so many cloud services … ie getting an offline map/nav app, pin my favorite albums in Google Music for offline use, etc. The only thing that worries me is the 100 minutes of talk time; but I can always buy some extra minutes for a month here and there if needed … and still be well below the Verizon bill. I just hope Tmobile doesn’t get rid of that $30 deal before the Nexus 5 launch.

          • Andrew Moore

            You should order T-Mobile’s prepaid MicroSim now, and you don’t have to activate it until later. Otherwise it does take a while for them to deliver the MicroSim cards.

          • Kevin Phillips

            Why not just pay $60 and get unlimited everything including net although its throttled after 2.5Gb which is still cheaper that Verizon by a lot!

          • Itchy_Robot

            because I am a cheap son of a bitch and retirement is calling my name :-)

          • Skittlez

            $70 for unlimited unthrottled. can’t really beat that

          • Fattie McDoogles

            That’s what I had but switched to post paid when they started financing phones. It’s still $70 a month for my service though. I just get to include the cost of my phone now too.

          • ChristianMcC

            $42 does when you have financially responsible family members.

          • Skittlez

            i was talking in comparison to the $60 throttled 2.5GB

          • ChristianMcC

            If you are considering TMO, and have financially responsible family/friends on with them already or wanting to join, the new simple family plans are amazing. I pay $42 max per line(before discounts and taxes) for unlimited everything, $20 4g included, 5 lines in total.

          • Kevin Phillips

            Yep you are right T-Mo is pretty much crap in the upper areas of the states. I drove from DC to Cali to New Mexico back to DC and was only out of luck for most of my trip from Colorado to Utah. Everywhere else I had no problem except for some areas in the mid-west that were devoid of life.

          • Mark Mann

            tmobile doesn’t actually provide service in iowa, they run off a partner in iowa called iwireless…i know that iwireless used to have a prepaid plan(megatalk) for 40 bucks for unlimited talk and text, but you had to pay an extra 10-15 a month to get service in des moines…so it would make sense that you would get 4G in des moines…

          • ChristianMcC

            Same boat here when taking the I80 to Chicago from UT, but I can’t do without unl data, at least until G Fiber launches. Roaming is okay to do, btw, just cuts out at 40MB, no overages.

        • Pedro

          Buy a phone (N5 or Nokia 521) and use a pre-paid plan.
          If it doesn’t work for you, then at least you KNOW it won’t work for you. You sell the phone and recover some money. If it does work, then you are banking so much money you can afford a new phone every few months.

          On second thought, please buy the Nokia. One less dude hitting the buy button next month is better for me :)

        • CHRIS42060

          I would go to T-Mobile in a second because there is excellent coverage where I live and LTE. The problem is when I go to my parents in the middle of Pennsylvania they only get 2G coverage.

          • WAldenIV

            Do they have Wi-Fi?

          • CHRIS42060

            They do, but when I am in town I am always out and about. Very few places have Wi-Fi where I would be.

        • Skittlez

          you could always save a little extra cash, get a SIM and get a month of service to check how the coverage is, and if you don’t want to switch, sell the phone. i did that with the white nexus 4, and even though i wanted to switch, i couldn’t cause i was still on contract with verizon

          Edit: you can buy the new nexus, or you can get a used Nexus 4 on ebay

        • MrWicket

          do a test run with straight talk and test using T-Mobile and AT&T in rural areas. one of them is bound to work I’d think even if on domestic roaming but hey, being unlocked you could probably pick up local pre-paid sims on those networks you frequent the most. just ideas I guess.

        • Fattie McDoogles

          Buy cheap phone on craigslist or go to Best Buy and pick up the Lumia 521 for $100 and try t-mobile prepaid for a month to see what the coverage is like. If it works for you… the savings will more than pay for the cost of testing. If it doesn’t take the phone back or sell it and get some of your money back.

      • Jackson

        I made the switch for the nexus 4 last November and in my area t mobiles hspa was almost identical to Verizon lte so it was pretty nice but now that I have lte it’s ridiculous lol

      • Simon Belmont

        Me too. Except I switched from Sprint.

        Couldn’t be happier. Cheaper bill, faster speeds, good coverage, and the freedom of GSM (not shackled to CDMA phones that Sprint offers me). I bought my first Nexus phone to commemorate the occasion. A G’Nex, which is tiding me over to the forthcoming Nexus 5.

      • MrWicket

        same

      • itznfb

        I made that “switch” last November…. switched right back. I like to be able to move outside of a 4 foot radius and still have a signal.

    • Buur

      Probably going to do the same and sell my unlimited Verizon on an AOL.

      • A.Miller

        How do you sell unlimited?

        • Buur

          You find a buyer then call Verizon and do an assumption of liability.

          • Cowboydroid

            Do you know how one goes about keeping their current number through the process? Do you first need to port your number to Google Voice, and get a new number through Verizon? And if you get a new number through Verizon, do they attempt to make you drop the unlimited contract?

          • Buur

            Here is the thread I read through for how to get it done.

            http://rootzwiki.com/topic/42073-how-to-sell-verizon-contract-and-keep-your-number/

        • J Dub

          Started with buying a Nexus 4 when the price dropped. I tested T-Mobile’s offering in my area and it is lacking. So I got a Net10 AT&T SIM. $45 per month when auto renewed. This is comparable service to VZW so I jumped. My process has been this: port your VZW phone number to Google Voice. You can do this because GV takes 24 hours to port. I requested the port on GV then waited for about 4 hours to make sure there were not any errors (account # wrong, or wrong billing PW) If after several hours the GV port status page has not changed or produced errors you can request via VZW online MyVerizon site to get a new phone number. I did this like I said about 4 hours after I requested the port on GV. The GV port on my old VZW# (the number I’ve had for 10 years) went through pretty much 24 hours later on the dot. I have to do this to my wife’s life soon too. This is pretty much to get your numbers away from VZW and gets your account setup to sell because now you don’t care about losing the number you’ve had forever. Once I get both of my line’s numbers ported to GV I will post my contract (still has 9+ months on contract) with 2 unlimited data lines on Ebay. If you look they sell for around $300+. The buyer will assume liability of my contract getting them 2 unlimited 4G data lines on VZW which you can’t get anymore. I will get out of my contract with VZW without paying an ETF. I will have also pocketed at least $300 for selling said contract. The two GS3 that we have will also sell for $200+ meaning another $400. Minus the cost of two N4′s at $250 each and I am still pocketing $200+ dollars all the while going from $142 a month for VZW to $85 on Net10 for 2 lines.

    • J Dub

      In process of jumping the VZW ship. Went with AT&T on NET10. Ported my #’s to Google Voice, got new numbers on VZW, and I’m selling my contract with two unlimited lines. No ETF, will make money, and save per month.

    • Dale

      Just got an interesting comment from Verizon, but it probably means nothing as they like to troll through their Facebook comments.

      • Shalom

        Did they delete this? I’m not seeing it.

      • NexusPhan

        Generic response. Same response that would be given had you asked about any unreleased phone. Means nothing. But Verizon won’t be getting this Nexus. We would have seen it by now. Time to get ready to make the switch.

    • nvitone23

      jump ship and stick it to VZW

    • J Dub

      I tried T-Mobile and was just not impressed. Building penetration was the biggest issue. Even in an area with very good 4G reception I would revert to 2G or no signal while inside buildings. Also while traveling on major interstates my coverage would be poor as in no way you were going to stream music on the road. With Net10 using AT&T towers my coverage has been solid. Speeds are good enough for most things (5-6 mbps down). With recent law suits they have been more open about data cut offs. The T-Mobile $30 plan offered 5GB, but for my area I could never use that much due to the terribly slow speeds.

    • http://www.naskaras.com/ Thanassi Karageorgiou

      Every new Nexus is great and drool-worthy, but for me, Unlimited Data & the network win every time. As long as I can get a high-spec phone with great root/dev support, I’ll be with VZW until they take away the unlimited.

      • Larizard

        moto x? I’m on the same boat. Still wanna keep my unlimited data, and I spend about 3 GB a month (Play Music All Access, Youtube, tethering to my laptop, etc.)..Plus im on a family plan with the folks so it’s cheaper over all.

      • A.Miller

        That’s kind of what I am thinking, but I’m having trouble deciding which phone to get and where/how I should purchase it. Full retail? Swappa? eBay? And should it be the GS4?

        • http://www.naskaras.com/ Thanassi Karageorgiou

          I got the GS4 full-retail in-store back in June. I haven’t tried Swappa or Ebay for phones.

    • davis9453

      If you understand what you’re doing, you’re are intelligent.
      Then don’t waste time and move to… http://www.Pro67.ℂℴm

    • Issy

      I know :( I’m dying for the next Nexus but I am unable to leave Verizon.

    • NYAvsFan

      I made the switch in March and love my N4, have had no problem with coverage except in places where I did with Verizon too and love paying $45 less a month to boot.