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Google Hangouts 1.3 Could Introduce SMS and MMS

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The image above is just a mockup, but rumor has it that Google will finally bring SMS/MMS support to Hangouts in version 1.3. According to sources who sent images to Android Police, once integrated and the option turned on, users will see a “via SMS” notation to show how the message in Hangouts was sent. There may even be the option to send videos. 

The current version of Hangouts is 1.2.018.

There is no definitive confirmation at this time that 1.3 will introduce SMS and MMS or when we’ll see it, but Google told us shortly after the introduction of Hangouts that it would be the future of Google Voice. Adding in the oft-requested integration of text and picture messaging would help complete that promise. Actually, it one-ups Voice since Voice has lacked MMS support on everything outside of Sprint phones. It also helps turn Hangouts into a 1-stop shop for messaging.

It certainly seems like the time is right, especially with Android 4.4 “Kit Kat” around the corner. With that said, I wouldn’t be surprised if Google held off on announcing SMS integration until they unveil Kit Kat and the new Nexus phone. Then again, if it’s ready, why wait?

I know that many of you have been waiting impatiently for this feature to arrive. Now that it appears to be close, how excited are you?

Via:  Android Police

  • yungqb7

    Been waiting since hangouts was first announced. I would like to my have sms/mms integration please

  • J Harrell

    Oddly, I just went to enable Hangouts on my S4 (it had been disabled and uninstalled down to still being Talk). When I enabled it and updated it, one of the permissions I was asked for was the ability to read SMS/MMS and send SMS. The changelog was still from Sep 30th however, and normally I don’t get stuff at the beginning of a rollout (I only just got the flat Google logo early this week/late last week).

  • Aran Miller

    I am happy and terrified about this!
    I have been using Google Voice since EARLY Beta days! So with Google Voice being my main phone number for hte past 4+ years it brings up questions. When I first saw Hangouts was going to replace Google Voice I was a bit warry about it to begin with.
    What I am really wondering about is, if we turn on this feature to send SMS and MMS with Hangouts, will it be the phone SMS/MMS or will it use Google Voice SMS/MMS? That is a big difference, I have had people send me pictures via email or a different phone number (because Google Voice didn’t offer MMS) for years, I would love if it was infused so I could give someone my Google Voice number and have no problems reguarding Calls, SMS, and MMS, however if this is a feature to allow your phone to use your mobile provider to send SMS/MMS I am out, becuase I typically do not like to give out my cell phone number.
    Will it work like the iMessage app, where it will use data if aviliable but use your cellphone service if data is not aviliable? At that point does it use your Google Voice number if you have data, and your mobile number if not? So many questions to be answered. I have grown acustomed to using Google Voice, as I am sure a number of people have since it’s public release 3 years ago, as my main phone number, and the number that I not only give out to all my friends and family, but to work, and anyone else that would have the need to contact me.

  • NYAvsFan

    Please make this a reality. Tired of telling friends I didn’t get their pictures because GV doesn’t support MMS and to please email it isntead.

  • jzwerlz43

    my only question with this is, would this update allow for sms and mms to be sent to anyone in my contacts or just anyone that uses hangouts? i dont know a single person who uses hangouts so unless it lets me send texts to anyone i wouldnt rly be able to use this feature.

  • Chippah

    Update provides native SMS-MMS Free via Google voice/Hangouts.


  • Chippah

    Hate to say this, and be “that guy” but!

    “Work as good as Facetime or GTFO!”

    Its also unfortunate that certain family members refuse to use anything BUT facetime.

  • Frettfreak

    Seriously though, if they dont bring ALL THE SAME FEATURES from the current Sms / mms stock android app, this is not going to go over well. The wording “future of google voice” is what has me scared. SMS through that is complete and utter crap. Messages never get threaded properly. I end up with multiple conversations for the same contact, its just a miserable experience. Let hope google is smarter than that and really brings an all in one messaging app to rule them all… would be even better if they come with it like that, AND make it available on android, iOS and the web!!

  • cvgordo

    ive never used hangouts and am quite happy with handcent for sms/mms. is this a big deal? honest question.

    • Droidzilla


    • duke69111

      Yes for people who do not subscribe to messaging plan.

      • cvgordo

        oh OK that does sound like a big deal then.

  • Orion Pax

    How has Samsung not copied/created something like this for their Galaxy devices yet? S-Message

    • The Phenom

      They have thier own standalone called Chat on

  • DKowalsky2

    Really looking forward to this. I don’t use Google Voice for anything except voice mail, but I hope for the sake of those of you that do, Google will merge it correctly without huge loss in functionality or phasing it out entirely.

    Here’s my primary concern, and I think someone who commented above was trying to convey this as well:

    In order for this to work seamlessly and be accepted, it will have to be pre-installed on future devices. From there, the protocol has to default to sending via the Hangouts channel first, the SMS channel second. Now, for our iPhone friends who we correspond with via Hangouts (or in their case, gChat, on the Gmail homepage), how is our message conveyed? Will they receive it on the computer, and not as an SMS on their iPhone? Will it display in both?

    I’m curious to see how Google handles that, but it should be a seamless integration for Android-to-Android communication as a robust iMessage replacement.

  • jnt

    I’m not a programmer, but I’ve never understood why this couldn’t be implemented in Android until now (or whenever it happens). We have a ton of 3rd party messaging apps already, and the ability to sync contacts with your phone / Google contacts in other 3rd party apps. I guess, maybe, it’s the handoff between sms and messaging that’s the problem? Anyway, I hope this comes sooner than later!

    • Droidzilla

      It’s probably the bit about sending an SMS/MMS through the Hangouts app but using the phones SMS/MMS capability while retaining the Google Voice number as the sending number ID and receiving SMS/MMS sent to the Google Voice number through the phone’s SMS/MMS capability (i.e. not via data) and displaying it via Hangouts. It could be much more complicated than it seems.

  • mustbepbs


  • well done Google team

  • eidylon

    Would this be SMS for ALL contacts, or only those also using Hangouts?

  • Tres Waters

    If they made it the default text app it might finally take off with my friends. That would be pretty sweet. I love Hangouts and all it’s features but nobody I know uses it.

  • Adam Truelove

    For this to be successful, it MUST be seemless and automatic. People cannot know how it is sending a message, and it must use Hangouts first, and SMS/MMS second.

    There can be all the options you want available buried in a settings menu but it must “just work” for your average non-techy user.

    • DC_Guy

      So basically like Apple’s iMessage. I agree, it should be a seamless experience like the iMessage experience.

    • triumphtriple

      To go along with seamless and automatic. I think it’s really important that it would still send and receive text messages with data off or unavailable.

  • DanSan

    please please make this work google!!! make it like imessage, im tired of using handouts to talk to like 3 people and my messaging app to talk to everyone else. let me just use the messaging app and send it through hangouts for all i care. by SMS/MMS i want them to use my cell number, not my GV number!

  • panicswhenubered


  • AndrewScottRox

    This would be the bees knees. Android: always awesome, always waiting.

  • Razma

    I had an amazing dream last night, that the Nexus 5 was announced for Verizon and would cost $220 off contract and came in at least 4 options, a 32GB, a 64GB, a 32GB with 64GB micro SD, a 64GB with 64GB micro SD. This was all i remember, it was a dream after all, but it still felt very clear and real. The dream ended kinda weird tho, I got shanked by somebody….lol

    • Droidzilla

      You’re far more likely to get shanked than for that phone to be released, so buck up; dreams can come true!

  • J Dub

    Does this mean that maybe MMS through Voice might be enabled?

  • David Narada Brown

    i just pee’d a little!

  • Rocky Calabrese

    Yes, please!

  • Rotkaeqpchen

    GREAAAAAAAAAT!!! An android app is adding a feature that already exists in a stock app! Can’t wait not to update!

    • Tim242

      You are obviously clueless about what this is.

  • MrWicket

    oh please yes! so looking forward to my sms/mms/chats to be all in one app.

  • ferrari187

    My main gripe is still with the way hangouts manages contacts, I need a way to not see everyone I’ve ever interacted with in my life, and just people I want to msg/SMS etc

  • JB

    I would love to start using Hangouts more but the problem is noone uses it that I know… I know 2 people and it is like pulling teeth to get them to use it. Google needs to replace the stock messaging app with hangouts so this forces all android users to use it.

    • Frettfreak

      1000000% THIS

  • interstellarmind

    “If it’s ready, why wait?” – my guess would be to sweeten the deal on the N5.

    By waiting, Google can market SMS/ MMS and Google Hangouts integration as a feature of the N5.

  • Curiouslittlemonkey

    Ok curious . My one issue with hangouts is that everything you do on there is pretty much public and anyone can join in or listen . I liked the old version of google talk chat client where it was private messaging. So if I’m to under understand this , if SMS and MMS come to hangouts , does that mean SMS messages go public too ???

    • Tim242


    • Jon

      No I don’t think your correct here. Hangouts are not public by default.

  • itsgonnalast

    Google Voice (for the last few months) has been sending my MMS attachments to Gmail. Has anyone else noticed this?

    • Nate Bousfield

      yeah, that’s always what happens for me.

    • crazed_z06

      yes.. been like this for along time for me..

    • kashtrey

      That’s how it is, there isn’t a way (that I know of) to send a MMS though. Any you receive are sent to Gmail but you just can’t compose.

    • Tim242

      It only does that in two instances: 1. It’s from a Sprint customer. 2: It’s sent from a gmail of a Google Voice user.

      • itsgonnalast

        Wow thanks… never realized this.

        Now that I think about it, my messages did come from Sprint users.

  • Michael Quinlan

    Adding SMS to hangouts doesn’t necessarily mean any ties with Google Voice.

    • Justin W

      No, but it’s progress. After SMS/MMS, Voice should be up next for integration since it will be the only remaining “messaging” app left outside of Hangouts. Exciting news!

  • I a Google Voice user (and one that relies on it for business), I’m super nervous about this. I’m all for integrated Hangout messaging.. I love Hangouts. But if they phase out Voice, I hope we don’t lose features… Latitude, etc…

    • Jaxon Wright

      they can’t drop Voice. Real phone numbers are tied to it

      • florious80

        Tim242 echoed the same sentiment, but I’m not entirely sure what’s stopping Google from dropping voice altogether and allow users to hang on to existing phone numbers they have currently, and shut down all the functions in voice application/software?

      • Franklin Ramsey

        Technically they can. All they would have to do is give fair warning for users to port the numbers. So, technically they could give everyone a month or so to port their numbers off and that would be the end of that. Just like if a phone carrier were to close.

    • kashtrey

      Yeah, the one drawback of Voice and Hangouts merging is that managing two distinct numbers from one app will be a bit of a burden. I prefer to be in Voice and know messages are being sent from that number and not my normal number. I’m sure they’ll do something similar to Gmail accounts which honestly will probably be fine, but I know I’ll accidentally send something from the wrong number eventually.

    • Adam Emshwiller

      I have the same concern. Right now I have my business number as my google voice number. dont get me wrong, google voice app needs a major facelift update, but I would be afraid of functionally loss as you have mentioned if they merge with hangouts.

  • BrothaDave

    I was waiting on Google Voice to receive MMS support also, hopefully it’s not far behind

    • kashtrey

      I doubt Voice will receive the ability to send MMS. What will likely happen is that MMS sent to your Voice number will go into Hangouts instead of Gmail and you’ll be able to send pics but only as a hangout file not a MMS.

      • BrothaDave

        You used to be able to do it through email somehow but I forgot and now I only use voice for people who I don’t want to have my real number or business stuff. It would be nice to have it added to Voice but I’ll live if they don’t

  • MikeSaver

    Does anyone agree that this means little for casual users unless Google completely replaces the messaging app with hangouts? Still going to be hard to convince people to use hangouts.

  • Ryan Stewart

    I’ll believe it once I see it.

  • Tim242

    Off topic…Verizon has charged my card. Note 3 shipping tonight. Oh yeah!

    • Tim

      Me too… Card is charged but not sure if it is shipping — will try and check on that soon…

      • Tim242

        They normally ship it out the night of the charge.

        • Same here!! Thank you DL for notifying us of The great Glitch of 2013!

    • crazed_z06

      I just noticed mine was charged also! All praises due to God!!

    • umbrellacorp

      AHHH! PANIC! I wasn’t charged. OMGz

    • Justin W

      It’s a good phone. I got mine last Friday (it’s an unlocked model), and the only thing I had a problem with was all the Samsung bloat on it. After about an hour I had disabled all the apps I don’t want and uninstalled all the others and now I’m fairly happy with it. BT stutters with it though on some devices (my car stereo stutters, my portable speaker doesn’t stutter – not sure why). Overall, I’m pretty happy with it.

      • Tim242

        Glad to hear that you are enjoying it. I’ll definitely be looking forward to rooting, so that I can uninstall the bloat. Verizon and some Samsung stuff can’t be disabled. I also do not want Knox on it.

  • Haziq Agha

    The feature I’ve been waiting for. I hope it’s true!

  • Ryan Gullett

    If this doesn’t work as good or as smooth as Textra, I can’t use it.

  • JoeTi

    ‘Bout damn time! Integrate me already!

  • chris_johns

    I mean great n all….but how about u fix it so it doesnt take 6 seconds just to open???

  • Npompei

    From a Verizon official: “We will test and review each app for compatability with our network.” Aka we’ll never look at this because it may save people money. So we’ll F your A and never put this on any Verizon phone.
    Can’t you see this being like a Google Wallet thing? Now obviously we will more than likely get a port but why do I see this being a Verizon problem?!

    • Paul Hansen

      Doubtful. It’d be seen like any other 3rd party messaging app (handcent etc). It’s just more complete.

    • Tim242

      I have been using Google Voice for free SMS for 4 years, 3 of those on Verizon.

    • Geekout

      they let iMessage onto veriozn devices, so why not the new hangouts?

      • Justin W

        The short answer is Apple has the carriers by the short hairs. Google/most OEMs don’t (though they should with as much marketshare as they have). Also, Android has to go through the carrier update process, while Apple’s iOS devices don’t (maybe they do, but they have it certified sooner).

    • Peter Stover

      I wasn’t sure which would take longer. This sms hangouts thing from Google, or Verizon updating the gnex to 4.3. Verizon lost again!!

    • Orion Pax

      Don’t see why Verizon would really care about it. They don’t make money on texts (data is where it’s at, baby!!!! Faster phones with lower caps and higher prices!).
      I figure Verizon would probably go ‘meh’ and go back to figuring out how to control data consumption and smartphone design.

  • Serval

    I see a lot of people want this but if I use this option does that mean I would have to always have the data activated to get my sms? Or will they come the usual way and be shown in hangouts? At work I turn the data off to spare the battery but I want my sms 😉

    • tyguy829

      for now it will use regular sms, but if it goes to data in the future, couldn’t you hop on wifi?

      • Serval

        I don’t have wifi at work or in the streets 😉
        it’s not a matter of data plan, I have enough and free unlimited sms/mms
        I just shutdown the connexions when I don’t need them to keep the phone working the whole day but I wouldn’t want the arrival of sms to be delayed to the moment I turn them on again.
        Anyway I guess this would be an option so I just have to not use it.

        • Orion Pax

          Maybe it would behave similar to iMessage in that as long as you have a good data connection, it comes through Hangouts and if you don’t or lose data, it delivers it via carrier SMS.
          At least until VoLTE is up and running completely.

      • Justin W

        Don’t forget once everything switches to VoLTE. Then it will use Data, but I’m pretty sure there will be a way to separate it from data usage.

  • evan brown


  • Inquizitor

    I’m really fearful that they’ll just add in normal carrier SMS and MMS and call that a “good enough” fix, and then just do away with Google Voice’s free SMS.

    • AbbyZFresh

      i dont think so. i’m pretty sure they aren’t stupid enough to just abandon it just like that.

      • Gnex

        *cough* Google Reader *cough*

        • Tim242

          *cough* phone numbers *cough*

          • Gnex

            Wait, what?? Sorry for not seeing what you did there :p

          • Tim242

            Google can’t just get rid of Voice. There are real phone numbers attached to it. The FCC wouldn’t let them drop it.

          • Gnex

            Ah, thanks for clarifying.

          • florious80

            I really hope you are right. LIke you mentioned, voice has real phone numbers. I’m extremely concerned that Google will turn around, axe voice, and integrate everything into Hangout. I know a lot of people like fully integrated apps, but I’d rather keep my voice number as that’s my business number that I give out to all my clients.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            All they would have to do is give fair warning for users to port the numbers. So, technically they could give everyone a month or so to port their numbers off and that would be the end of that. Just like if a phone carrier were to close.

    • Tim242

      They betta not!

  • jbdan

    Could be a “YES! Heck yeah!!” from this user

  • Enrique Villacrez Torrejón


    This announcement is the reason I havent ported my number to my carrier yet.

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    All i need now is a meme maker.

  • Aaron

    I am so tired of the guys I work with bragging about how their iPhone only has the one message app. What’s worse, I didn’t start the “my phone is better” game. They won’t even believe me when I tell them Android has more marketshare.

    • Daeshaun Griffiths

      Numbers don’t lie check the scoreboard.

      • Aaron

        But it is weird, like just how many iPhones we see coming through the airport versus how few Androids.

        • Gnex

          I think it’s probably a regional thing. Where I live, almost every single person I’ve ever seen has a white iPhone 4/4S. I personally haven’t seen very many Android phones out in the wild.

          • Brandon

            I’ve got a 2nd job in a restaurant and I see so many people with Galaxy S3’s 4’s and Notes, and not so many iPhones as I used to.

          • Jeralmac

            Same here, I work on a team of 10 people. There are 9 Android devices and 1 iPhone. And the iPhone is my boss and she is in her 60’s 🙂

        • dhamp2g

          It will be that way in America forever apple just has the mindshare and that’s the whole of it.

      • DroidOnMan

        Tom Ford…

    • Chris Hannan

      Yeah, their iPhone has one messaging app that can only be accessed on an Apple device. I love being able to check my messages on my Nexus 4, Nexus 7, Galaxy Nexus, iPad, and MacBook.

      • EdubE24

        iMessage is pretty freaking awesome for group messaging. I hate it when I’m the one lonely android user and I miss half the conversation!

        • Yes! Or when a 100 texts come it at once all while you’re trying to reply to the first text. It’s so much slower than imessage.

          • Frettfreak

            Havent had that issue since i got the HTC one and turned on group mesaging in the stock app. But i know what your saying. Lets hop google brings the heat!

        • Chris Hannan

          If they include your number in the group text and you don’t have an iPhone, it won’t go through as an iMessage and you should get it then if you have group messaging turned on in your SMS app. Works fine on my Nexus 4 on T-Mobile.

          • EdubE24

            But the replies don’t go to the whole conversation. I use both OS’s, and there is a big difference in messaging. Seeing when replies are coming, or being read just adds a little to the experience!

          • Chris Hannan

            They do. With the stock Android SMS app, there’s an option in the Messaging app settings for “Group messaging” that says “Use MMS to send a single message when there are multiple recipients”. Turn that on, and it’s like a chat room for SMS. You won’t get read receipts or typing notifications, but no one will because it’s not an iMessage. It’s a group text.

            And Hangouts also gives you read receipts and typing notifications. It’s a separate app from your SMS app, but it’ll be combined soon and you can even download it on iOS.

          • MikeSaver

            ^ This. How are people missing this?

          • djw39

            That feature is available on Android 4.2 and above. I had to root & ROM my Optimus G to get it.

          • Carlton Crasher

            My boss and coworkers use it and I’m the only android user with an s3 and works fine (group messaging)

          • Franklin Ramsey

            I have this feature on the stock SMS app on my Droid Charge running Android 2.3, so how is this only 4.2 and above?

          • Frettfreak

            I have an HTC one on tmobile using the stock messaging app and i get all replies from everyone and everyone gets my replies back. its a feature that must be turned on in settings, but not all phones support it.

        • dhamp2g

          ithink they will open up imessage when hangouts adds SMS and mms

          • Andrew

            I’m 99% sure that Apple will never open up iMessage.

          • dhamp2g

            I hope they never do BC that means eventually more people will move to hangouts, apple has to realize that they aren’t going to get new customers on iPhone BC of imessage.

          • doubtful…

        • MrAndroidson

          Just get them to switch to Hangouts.

          • EdubE24

            And when you get all Facebook users to switch to Google+ let me know!

          • turdbogls

            easier said than done. i got all my (iPhone) friends that used Groupme (skyp’s cross platform messenger) to switch to hangouts for like a month. but the iPhone app sucked so bad (no message tone, phantom notifications, not getting notifications) that they all (and myself) switched back. i am sure most of those issues have been resolved, but it has put a sour taste in their mouths and i doubt they will ever go back.

            i Still use SMS and i still use hangouts to communicate with my android friends, so i am really looking forward to getting rid of one of my SMS app.

          • athom07

            I just want to point out – some of these issues are not Hangouts specific – for instance not getting notifications. The iPhone has issues with randomly not getting notifications on WhatsApp and Kik for some reason. I know because I used to have an iPhone and was in the forums for both products (with the finger being pointed in Apple’s direction). So it doesn’t surprise me that Hangouts also has issues with that.

          • turdbogls

            interesting….good to know

        • DC_Guy

          I felt the same way. That was a huge drawback for me when I switched to Android. Thankfully Verizon added “group messaging” functionality to their Note 2, so I would assume it’s also on their Note 3. Also, Sprint has added group texting to their Note 3, which rocks! Even though I finally have group messaging functionality in my stock Samsung app, I’m still eager to see Hangouts add SMS/MMS functionality.

      • panicswhenubered

        Anyone remember this lie? (see video) I seem to remember the same thing being said about iMessage. Neither app or standard has been set free by Apple yet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2fZdgwfmf10

        • Frettfreak

          Apple… Lie… NO WAY!!!

    • Paul Hansen

      Just show them them worldwide demographic chart (rather than the US one). We’re winning the US but absolutely destroying worldwide.

    • HeartsAlive

      iPhone’s good for some people. We’re buying one for my grandma. She needs something simple, that doesn’t require a whole lot of tech-saavy on the user’s part. And that’s not a slam on iPhone/Pad users, it’s just what you want out of your phone. If you want to be able to dig into the guts of your phone and play around, iPhone ain’t for you.

      • Frettfreak

        dude.. i hear this argument, but my wifes mom who is older, had a droid for years. She got around pretty well with it, but decided to get an iPhone “cause its simpler” and there is not a time that i see her now without getting asked a few questions on how to do something with it. That was 2 years ago and i am still getting questions to this day. The myth that iphone is simpler is just not as true as some would like you to believe.

  • sk102704

    Would these SMS and MMS messages be sent through our carriers messaging plan? Like will this allow me to get rid of the $20/month I pay for unlimited text messages?

    • tyguy829

      depends if they integrate it with google voice. android police makes it sound like that isn’t happening quite yet. that will be the next step

    • trwb

      Well Google Voice let’s you do this now, sent free text only messages to phone numbers. Been going without a messaging plan for 1.5 years now, just using Google Voice for free text.

      • imns

        Currently Google Voice does not support MMS/multi-user texts. If they can integrate MMS into Google Voice I will be incredibly happy and thankful.

        • trwb

          Yes I know. I currently use gmail to send pictures and video. I can live with free text only messages on voice, but MMS would be nice. Hopefully this new hangouts update works as people are speculating.

        • Frettfreak

          not only that, but unless they updated it (i stop using GV out of frustration a while ago) i would ALWAYS get multiple conversations going with the same contact. It was like the app couldn’t join them together all the time correctly so it would just start a new conversation. Pretty lame and frustrating.

          • trwb

            Yea it does that to me often too. The GV app is kind of half baked. One would think Google would put more time into fixing the bugs.

          • Aran Miller

            Have you used it within the last year? That used to be a problem over a year ago, I had the same problem, but the only time this will happen to me now is if a single converstation thread hits 500 messages, it will start a new thread, but other than that, there is really no problem with multiple threads anymore. That is 500 messages with no two messages being 8 hours apart, if 8 hours lapse between text a new thread will be made, which I personally LOVE that feature.

      • I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Google just gives up on Voice altogether a-la Reader. Google has made it abundantly clear through their actions that Voice isn’t a priority for them at all, and who can blame them? They probably don’t make a dime off of it. The only way to make money on it would be to charge for it. If they did that, though, it would cost them an enormous chunk of their user base. Let’s be honest, most people only use Google Voice for free texting because they’re on some legacy plan with their carrier that doesn’t include unlimited texting.

        Without free texting, there’s no real need for Voice unless you have multiple phones that you want to control with one phone number. Most of us aren’t in that boat.

        I’m completely indifferent about whether Google Voice lives or dies, honestly. These days, cell carriers are understanding that charging people for data and throwing in unlimited talk and text as “value adds” is a great revenue stream and is widely embraced by customers. So if people are getting “free” texting through their carrier as part of their regular plan, there’s really no need for them to have Voice.

        • trwb

          I use it for free texting (saves $20/mo with att) and because I didn’t want to change my number when I switched carriers. It also is good for free WiFi calls on any device when integrated with groove IP. But I prefer hangouts when someone actually is on there. I can’t wait til they add SMS.

        • Aran Miller

          You are incorrect there! Google Voice is not just for free messaging, it’s cheep international calling using VoIP. Yes it’s used as a free messaging service by many of it’s users but it’s just as viable of Voyager or any other Telphony service.
          Millions of pople have made Google Voice their main number, myself included, since it’s inception 4 years ago.

  • moneymoney

    Sounds great. I only keep paying for unlimited texting to retain MMS capability that Google’s services have always lacked. Even if I don’t love the hangouts app, $30 off my bill would be great.

  • Ben Landwehr

    How was this not the first thing they did?

  • thedonxr

    Come and release the KraKat

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Took me 3 seconds longer that usual… but I see what you (tried) to do there

    • cPJerald

      Haha. Nice!!

  • Paul Hansen

    Yes please.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    “The image above is just a mockup, but rumor has it….” Kellen pack your bags and get out now.

    • Android police actually has the actual images, but created the mockup because it’s easier to view.

  • Chris Hannan

    While I’d love to have Voice and Hangouts merged, I really, really want the ability to send videos already.

    Hopefully this all happens with 1.3.

  • Shamu

    Don’t give me a break anymore…shove kitkats down my throat already!

  • Gnex

    I hope Google doesn’t completely replace the AOSP messaging app with Hangouts in Android 4.4 :/

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      I think that’s what everyone wants. One app.

      • Gnex

        Yeah I seem to be part of that minority lol

        • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

          Why would you want 2 apps? Instead of one fully integrated one?

          • Gnex

            As someone who buys Nexus devices for 100% pure Android built from source, stuff like this kind of disappoints me. Just like when they replaced the android browser with Chrome. It’s not that I don’t like Chrome/Hangouts, it just feels… Idk it’s probably just me.

          • Tim242

            Nope, me too. I flash the AOSP browser. I hate Chrome.

          • Gnex

            Yeah, the Google cult is probably gonna burn my house down lol. I would argue that what comes on modern Nexus devices isn’t even “stock” Android.

          • MikeSaver

            You haven’t really come up with good reasons. You want two messaging apps, two browsers? It’s not a matter of preference, it just doesn’t make sense.

          • Gnex

            No, I don’t want two messaging apps/browsers to come preinstalled on Nexus devices. I would like one browser (the ANDROID browser) and one messaging app (the ANDROID messaging app) to come preinstalled on devices that are supposed to be running sock ANDROID. If Google wants to push their services after the fact, that’s fine by me.

          • MikeSaver

            so you just want outdated versions of google’s apps? Still not making sense, man. Also if you are against a unified hangouts app, you are for two messaging apps because you would still be using messaging and hangouts, or google talk, maybe you still use that.

          • Gnex

            No, I just think Nexuses should come completely stock out of the box, You know, a clean slate. If you want to use Chrome or Hangouts or whatever, go ahead and download ’em.

          • MikeSaver

            yeah but the question is, why would anyone want to do that?

          • Adrynalyne

            Completely stock means no google apps, including play store though.

          • Adrynalyne

            Pure stock Android doesnt:
            Sync to Google accounts
            Have all the camera features
            Has a different gallery
            Does not backup or restore settings from Google
            Does not have play store and other various google apps.

            So really, what you want is retail Android which has additional closed source components and has the open source browser instead of Chrome.

          • Gnex

            Okay, you win lol. I’ll just sideload the stock browser on my Nexus 5 once I get it. A little off topic, but this sh*t is hilarious… My thoughts exactly: reddit.com/r/androidcirclejerk

          • Adrynalyne

            Don’t get me wrong, I dislike Chrome too. Unfortunately, Google has a different plan for us.

          • Gnex

            I really wish they would’ve just slapped a Chrome logo, a lighter interface, and tab sync onto the AOSP browser. Hopefully LORD MATIAS with all of his #HOLOYOLO will save us.

          • Adrynalyne

            Actually it is on Nexus devices.

            As in stock retail Android. AOSP is the same base OS, but different applications and versions for closed source parts. AOSP is also less capable unless the closed source components are added back in.

    • Paul Hansen

      I think the option will still be there but I’d love to have everything unified. Less icons for me to stare at.

    • They probably will for new phones like the Nexus 5. They’ll probably keep it on the N4 and Google Play Edition phones though, kinda like how they kept the AOSP browser on the Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, and Motorola Xoom Jelly Bean ROMs even though the OG Nexus 7 only had Chrome.

      • Gnex

        Yeah, anything that didn’t launch with 4.4 or newer will probably still include the stock messaging app.

  • Sean

    So, would that mean group messaging with iPhone users would finally work correctly?

    • Tobey

      Probably not because its broken on the iPhone side.

    • MikeSaver

      it works correctly for me in just the stock messaging app

  • Metal_Link

    Yes, why wait? Hand it over now!

  • Larry Wei

    I’m still not a fan of hangouts…is there any way to see ALL your contacts and their status, not just your “circles” or what not?

    • Justin W

      If they are your contacts, and are on G+, you should be able to see them (Google tries to tie your G+ contacts with people in your regular contacts list, I believe).

    • Eion

      As long as your contacts are using Gtalk er Hangouts you can see if they are online/offline etc.
      Status updates which Gtalk had and Hangouts removed are coming back thankfully.