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US HTC President: Android 4.3 Update for Carrier-branded One Devices Slightly Delayed

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Any HTC One owners on a US carrier hoping to get in on the Android 4.3 fun, might be waiting a little longer than anticipated. The update already rolled out to the unlocked and developer edition variants of the device, but according to HTC’s US president, the update for the device on any carrier might go past the September 30 deadline they set on themselves. 

In a tweet, Jason Mackenzie of HTC said the following:

3 days left on 4.3 deadline for US/Canada HTC One. Unlocked out! Carrier skus coming, but will slightly miss 9/30. Will keep u updated…

In regards to the DROID DNA, the same delay applies. It was previously reported that the DNA would receive an update to Android 4.3 by the end of this month (September), but apparently that too, is no longer the case. As for a new update deadline, HTC says we can expect it by end of this year. Although, given that Verizon’s support page was updated with the upcoming features, we will hope that it takes place sooner rather than later.

While no one likes delays, especially in terms of getting new versions of Android, we are sure this is more of the carrier certification nonsense we have seen in the past, especially on Verizon’s part. Mackenzie goes on to tell folks to look for more info on the matter next week. For HTC One owners on Verizon, you can be thankful that your device already runs Android 4.2.2, and the jump to Android 4.3 is nothing too major. In fact, you might not even see any real differences between the two. That’s food for thought.

Via: @JasonMacHTC

  • Ron Judd

    Any upgrade for htc desire HD?

  • TK

    I agree , I learned my lesson ..never buy a phone again froma small or unstable company. Get your sh%t together HTC. My next phone will be Samsung or back to Iphone once they have a bigger phone……

  • Julian Kandel

    first and last HTC…

  • Gussy2000

    Nexus 5 looking better and better all the time.

  • Sam

    Oh great! Its been almost 3+ weeks i hvnt been able to take pics with my new htc one as d camera is blurry n ill have to wait for 4.3 for it to b fixed as others r having d same problem! Ever since i can remember ive always had a htc, this might just b my very last!

  • TylerCameron

    Why is everyone hating on HTC and boasting about Samsung?
    Samsung was GREAT at updates after the S II, but once the S3 came out, they pretty much decided no one needs updates.
    The S3 is STILL on 4.1 as is the Note II. This is completely unacceptable. Wee are TWO software versions behind! And this is around the world. And when we do get 4.3, it’ll look ugly because Samsung TouchWiz is an abomination to Android.

    At least HTC is trying again. They’re already pushing 4.3 to the One. Samsung won’t have 4.3 available for the S3 and Note II until next year!

  • CHRIS42060

    Apparently they found out that it was running too fast and have to make Sense a little heavier to lag it a bit more. (Totally speaking from previous experience with Sense. Have not used it on the HTC One.)

  • Joe

    As a former Thunderbolt owner, this sent a chill down my spine.

  • JustBoredMostly

    I don’t understand why everyone is mad at HTC but not the carriers for the updates not being released. It’s pretty clear they’ve already completed their end since the software has already been released on the unlocked/dev devices.

    • PhoenixPath

      People just want to lash out…they see HTC as the scapegoat because HTC was stupid enough to make a promise regarding deadlines/timelines they had no control over.

      They should have worded it better. “4.3 to Dev Ed. and Int’l by end of Sept. and to carriers before. From carriers to you at carrier’s whim”

  • Rich Hill

    HTC is the worst. My ReZound was the last straw. Awaiting Note 3, Nexus 5, ect…

  • James Hill

    Don’t even mention the DNA owners out there. At least that phone was free for a time.

  • Cliff Lee

    So I have the HTC One on Verizon and I was wondering if anyone else is having the same trouble with Facebook not syncing to my blink feed? I talked to a rep over at HTC and I was told that I’m not the only one that has had this complaint. We tried trouble shooting but but no avail. Is the new update supposed to address this issue?

  • disappointedHTCowner

    F-HTC ………….. this is absurd with them . they wonder why their going down the tubes. The DNA has been out almost a year , still stuck on 4.1 . originally told by the end of september update was coming . NOW its by YEAR end !?!?!?!?!? still unclear whether its getting 4.2 or 4.3 . the HTC president needs to get his head out of his A22 . screwed the pooch with thunderbolt , shafted the rezound owners , threw the DNA ( still one of the best phones on verizons network ) right out the window once the ONE came out , kicked the update to the DNA right out the window, now they lost BEATS endorsement , but hold on ……………… the one is slowly being dribbled the update . maybe if half of the HTC staff hadn’t quite or fired maybe they would have people to get this stuff out . sorry to say i have had over 10 HTC devices cause i have ALWAYS loved their stuff . now im done . not making the mistake anymore . My DNA is on ebay as we speak and my NOTE 3 is preordered. not waiting for the ONE MAX or what ever its called only to get shafted again by hopes and promises made a company who doesnt care .

    • http://disqus.com/JHancock8/ JHancock

      Concerning the HTC One. They beat Samsung to the 4.3 update. also get your facts straight. The updates already launched. Now the carriers are approving the skews… h

      • disappointedHTCowner

        hence my FACT stating that the update was dribbling out . If it was launched in full force the HTC one in every single Verizon and ATT store would have it already …………. they dont . its a slow release to small markets little at a time AFTER the carriers put thier bloat ware crap on it . very very aggravating.

        • http://disqus.com/JHancock8/ JHancock

          Patience is key. Hope you have a excellent experience with your GN3 .

  • Misiu

    I still dont have the update 4.3 – unlocked htc one canada. Wonder when ill get it

  • Reginald Jefferson

    This sounds familiar…

  • Booradley

    Any new news on if someone has found a way to unlock the HTC on Verizon? I just outright bought my phone the other night and really want to root this thing!

  • De Nguyen

    Business as usual.
    This is not news.

  • Justin W

    Completely modular. That’s how this needs to be done – everything needs to be separate from the core OS (notification shade, launcher, settings menu, etc.), so manufacturers can update it without carrier “approval”.

    • JoshGroff

      Carriers would still need to approve the core OS updates, but it would cut out the time it takes the oem to add their features/skins.

    • Adrynalyne

      That would be nice, but the framework cannot be made modular, because everything relies on it and updating OTA (not using a firmware update) would have disastrous results. That means that updates using new APIs cannot be used. It means new graphics, cannot be used. It means that new abilities cannot be introduced OS-wide. Apart from what we have right now through the Play Store, I don’t see how we can get any more modular.

  • coolsilver

    HAHAHA *hugs my Galaxy S4* I told you so. #NeverAgainHTC

    • JoshGroff

      People still wait on official software?

      • coolsilver

        I sure didn’t. Rooted and S-Off as soon as was published.

        • JoshGroff

          I traded my S4 for a one last month, didn’t even have to bother S-offing it myself. Knowing me, it’ll be replaced by something else in a month or two, but it’s my favorite phone I’ve owned to date.

  • ryan

    4.3 isnt even a big deal. I would rather skip 4.3 and go to 4.4 faster. Just better photo sphere pictures. atleast they still are not on 4.0 or GB.

    • Adrynalyne

      Except that skipping doesn’t make it happen faster. That is a fallacy.

  • Drome

    just another reason to unlock your bootloader.. running AOKP 4.3 on my htc one and it is so so good. waiting for carriers to push an OTA is a losing game.

    • Bassdj

      If only Verizon’s HTC One’s bootloader was unlocked…F U VERIZON

  • Detonation

    Plus the DNA isn’t even getting 4.3, the tweet says 4.2.2

  • Adrynalyne

    I knew it!

    “HTC promised us 4.3! We will get it on time because they said so!”

    Not while carriers have OEMs by the short and curlies.

    • Tim242

      HTC constantly lies and makes empty promises.

      • Adrynalyne

        Anyone who believes any OEM is a fool anyway.

      • bholt6

        How many devices are currently running 4.3?

        • Tim242

          That’s not the point. The point is that they have made a habit out of lying about updates.

          • Bender Bending Rodriguez

            Not sure why you would even believe them in the first place. Stateside, the ones who decide when the updates will get pushed are the carriers…with the exception of unlocked devices.

          • Tim242

            I stopped believing them from the Thunderbolt debacle. That was my last HTC phone. The point is, they shouldn’t make promises they can’t keep. BTW, saw your troll comment, even though you deleted it. That word is overused. Trolling isn’t differing opinions.

          • Bender Bending Rodriguez

            I still consider you to be a troll sometimes. Not all the times though and I wasn’t applying it to your comments in this article specifically.

          • JoshGroff

            I’ve owned most HTC flagships including and since the bolt. Never had any of them stayed stock for more than a day. I exclusively rely on the dev community for my updates. Once a device gets abandoned, or I get bored, I upgrade.

          • bholt6

            I wouldn’t worry. There pushing out faster than anyone else.

          • Tim242

            Hana sure they are…

          • http://disqus.com/JHancock8/ JHancock

            proofs their, only devices running 4.3 is nexus and google experience. Way to beat Samsung & Motorola, HTC!

          • Tim242

            They haven’t beat anyone. Did you not read the article? Indefinitely delayed. Just like with all of their updates.

          • http://disqus.com/JHancock8/ JHancock

            Taiwan, International unlocked & Developer editions have already received the update. I’ve had it since Sep 24th…

          • bholt6

            Refer to my original question, bud.

          • Tim242

            Your original question is irrelevant. It’s your way of trying to avoid the fact that HTC lies upon every update.

          • bholt6

            It’s not irrelevant in reply to your, “haha sure they are” comment. They are. I could care less if they “lie” (when in reality they probably ran into a hitch and at least didn’t keep us in the dark).

          • Tim242

            They have never updated faster than anybody. Thunderbolt users were promised and never got the promised update. What have they updated recently to be ahead of anybody? Nothing.

          • Tim242

            I think you meant “They’re pushing” and “Couldn’t care less”.

          • bholt6

            Grammar Nazi! Oh no! I hate people like you…so does everyone else. Lose an argument and revert to your amazing High School English skills. I bet if you bitch more, HTC will listen.

          • Tim242

            Lose an argument? You are the one making false claims. HTC is not updating faster than anybody. Tell me a device they have updated recently…they have devices they never updated to ICS. Their flagships are on 4.1. Samsung has updated many devices to 4.2, 4.3 on the way. It was your spelling I fixed, not your grammar.

          • bholt6

            You’re a lost cause. I’m not talking about the past. I’m strictly talking about 4.3. HTC clearly said they were skipping 4.2. You’ll get 4.3 before Samsung. But seriously, keep bitching…they’ll listen.

          • Tim242

            Purposely skipping 4.2. How convenient. They got to skip an update, and still can’t get the next one ready when they said it would be. Keep being an apologist. I have an S4. I’m about to get the Note 3, that launches with 4.3. The S4 update will come before the One.

          • bholt6

            Definitely not an apologist. I just don’t bitch about things I can’t control unlike you…makes life a lot easier. Not sure why you’re here if you have your almighty S4 and you’re upgrading to a tablet (just to be clear, that’s a joke…didn’t want you get all excited that you get to correct me again). I’m out…I’ll let ya correct someone else to boost your self esteem.

          • Tim242

            I had 8 HTC phones prior to giving up on them. Empty promises has left me and many others burned.

          • bholt6

            HTC wins the 4.3 update race.

          • http://disqus.com/JHancock8/ JHancock

            Oh my god. Are you mental yeah they made a false statement. Get over yourself. We live in a world full of lies! If Walmart So called promised to sell a Black Friday TV for $200 and sold it for $201 would you ever shop their again im guessing not. Same thing with HTC huh? Dumb a$$

          • Tim242

            You call me mental? Hahaha you posted anti-HTC posts earlier yourself. One minute you like them, the next you don’t.

          • http://disqus.com/JHancock8/ JHancock

            I can tell the truth about what they did in the past. I feel they are striving in a better direction, Now. I must ask you, have you read this forum. Your Ubiquitous Anti – HTC witch hunt remarks are enough. Follow Up with actions and get the GN3 instead of making yourself look foolish.

          • Tim242

            Yes sir Mr. Hancock : )

      • holdthiscat

        Which part of “working hard to release 4.3″ is a lie or a promise? It was neither. It was simply a statement of the facts. This is what we are doing…and this is when we hope to accomplish it. Might not have been able to fully accomplish this goal, but at least they have come out and said that.

        • Tim242

          The part where they promised it by Sept. 30.

    • Justin W

      I got it. I may be on an unlocked One, but they didn’t lie to everyone.

      • Adrynalyne

        Well sure. But this article is about carrier Ones. HTC made a blanket statement initially to include them as well.

  • TheTechnologyNation

    Is there a way to just flash the developer version of Sense that has already been updated to 4.3, to my ATT device? Are there any losses besides the ATT garbage that I want to lose anyways?

    • Drome

      there are absolutely zero losses and i highly encourage you to do so. You must unlock your bootloader though which will wipe your phone of all user data. Not an issue if you back it up properly. While you are at it look into the AOKP nighties that just dropped much better than sense.

      http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2456440

  • http://randomphantasmagoria.com/ Shawn

    I haven’t been this surprised since someone told me the sky was blue.

    • JoshGroff

      The sky is blue? This changes everything!!!

    • Angie

      wait…the sky is blue?? I must be color blind.

  • android_sux@updates

    hmmm Apple doesn’t have a problem updating their devices.

    • Tim242

      Sure they do. They have to strip out half the features for any of the devices that isn’t the just released model. Then, it runs slow as sh!t

      • jnt

        4.2 to 4.3 is not the same as iOS’s annual upgrades, and you know it. :) (especially to iOS 7)

        My 5S has had two updates since it was released 1 week ago – both small, but one important (security related), and both something that would’ve taken weeks to months on any other device but a Nexus. I love Android, and still prefer my Android devices, but do wish the update thing was no longer an issue.

        • Adrynalyne

          It is the carriers and OEMs that are the problem, and not much else. My Nexus 7 has seen 4? updates since I bought it.

          • jnt

            Oh I know, I just wish google / Samsung / HTC / Moto would start throwing their weight around like Apple did with the carriers in their agreements. At least Samsung should have enough pull to do that now, I would think.

        • Tim242

          How many security updates are needed for Android? There have been far fewer than on iOS They just released the OS, with gaping holes.. You are right, updates are not the same between the 2. 4.0+ all have the same features and apps. Apple updates mostly adds features to new devices, while removing features from thOS for the rest. The update always runs like crap on the older devices. Their update situation is far from perfect.

          • jnt

            Not trying to troll an Android thread – I still love / prefer Android. I guess my main point had more to do with the red tape BS that all oem/carrier-based Android devices have to go through (especially on Verizon) for *any* updates.

            I will add that iOS 7 runs well on the 4S and up, so that’s not too bad (in my experience anyway). And I’d have to double check, but I believe the only feature missing from the 4S is Airdrop, which is hardware related, unless I’m mistaken… which happens often!

            .

          • Tim242

            A lot of users are reporting issues with performance on the 4S. They kerp coming into our store demanding we erase the update. Air Drop is software…WiFi direct. The funny thing is, they included it in the iPad mini, but not the iPad 2. They have the same hardware!

          • trophynuts

            ” a lot of users are reporting” there is your first mistake. What is your personal experience with the 4S running IOS7? I don’t want you to talk about some $hit you read on the internet or heard other people talking about but what is YOUR personal experience with it? Let me guess. You haven’t used one personally have you? Also you say that they remove features just so they can put it on older devices. What d@mn difference does that make? As long as it goes back at least two generations how many people keep a phone longer than that anyway? Even you Android owners struggle to keep a device for a full 2 years. Hell most of you upgrade yearly. C’Mon Man make some sense with your stupid comments

          • Tim242

            Your reading comprehension fails you. I plainly stated that people are bringing them into our store demanding we erase the update because it is slow. So since I mentioned that, that means our store sells them and wait for it…have it on display. Next…

          • Sherlock Holmes

            The people that go to stores to report issues are a small amount of the overall consumer base. The same thing happens on Android. An update comes around and screws something up and then they go to the nearest store for some troubleshooting. It’s not platform specific. My sister has the iPhone 4S on iOS 7 and she says all is normal. Firsthand experience is what counts.

      • zurginator

        Well that and Apple can tell the carrier: “Shut up and update it now, or you don’t get the next model.”

        HTC can’t do that. Samsung kinda can, but even they don’t have quite that much pulling power. Both seem to be more worried about forcing a unified model on the carriers (still a good thing).

    • NexusPhan

      Apple’s updating of their older phones to iOS7 is the same, if not worse, than Android updating the Google Services and all of the Google apps independent of the actual software version. The vast majority of useful updates actually happen without carriers and without software version bumps. Sorry to be the one to spoil your fun.

  • Tenaj

    Of course it is

  • mustbepbs

    Hey, HTC.

    **** YOU for lying to DNA owners.

    Anyone seem to remember that tweet about DNA owners getting an update “by the end of September?” Well, bug all, that’s out the window! Now it’s “by the end of the year”!

    Oh goodie! Thanks for lying out your teeth again, HTC. If your phones weren’t selling like shite and were marked down to free on contract less than a year after release I wouldn’t bother with you.

    And thank you to the developer community, because I’ve got a fully functional CM10.2 humming along nicely.

    • Tim242

      Yeah, they are the biggest liars in the industry.

      • http://disqus.com/JHancock8/ JHancock

        Oh really?

        • Tim242

          Yes. I had 8 HTC devices before kicking them to the curb. The Thunderbolt was the straw that broke the camel’s back. They constantly lie about updates, and more. They said that the HTC One was not coming to Verizon, just to push more DNA’s.

          • http://disqus.com/JHancock8/ JHancock

            I had the Sensation Xl. Never saw the daylight of Jellybean.

          • coolsilver

            Oh this phone will finally have better battery life… Oh update will be soon… oh yea we will unlock bootloaders but not for you. yep… #NeverAgainHTC

          • holdthiscat

            I love you, Tim. You are hilarious. It’s so cute how you think you know everything. But the truth is this: The HTC One wasn’t going to be going to Verizon. They were working with HTC on a follow-up to the DNA. That phone was eventually released internationally as the Butterfly S. Verizon decided to give exclusive rights to the DROID line to Motorola, and dropped the DNA project midway through. That’s when Verizon made the decision to go with the One. Then came Verizon’s extremely long testing process. And, by the way, neither HTC nor Verizon ever said that the One was not going to be released on Verizon. I like your story better though…it’s much shorter and doesn’t require any thinking to come up with.

          • Tim242
          • Adrynalyne

            Twitter isn’t the most reliable source and AFAIK not an official press release. We don’t even know who said that, but we can be reasonably sure it was probably a random social PR nobody.

            How often do we see tweets recanted or deleted?

          • Tim242

            You are full of excuses. When they are deleted, it is because of controversy. HTC tweeted it. It was official. Peter Chou doesn’t do the tweeting.

          • Adrynalyne

            Full of excuses? That is cute.

            Twitter is not an official press release, and you know it.

          • Tim242

            Since when do companies issue official press releases to say a phone is not being released?

          • Adrynalyne

            Since when do they tweet and delete to confirm it won’t be?

            http://www.droid-life.com/2013/03/18/htc-one-coming-to-verizon-or-not/

            Why delete at all, UNLESS….UNLESS…they weren’t sure.

          • holdthiscat

            One final thought for you, Tim. Although I may not be able to show you how I know what I do, it doesn’t make it any less true. For some people, it’s not as simple as doing a Google search to cite “sources”. Sometimes the source is all around you. You like to have proof for everything, which I am sure your teachers could not always provide you with. This leads me to believe that you probably didn’t get a real education, and is probably why you work in a cell phone store to begin with. If you want to “win” this argument, ok. Fine. You win. I once heard someone say that winning an online argument was kind of like being the smartest kid in a special education class. Either way, you’re still pretty dumb.

          • Tim242

            You can say what you will. Speculation is not proof of anything. By the way, working in a cell phone store requires a college degree. You can’t win for losing.

          • holdthiscat

            That tweet was deleted minutes after it was posted. Because the person who tweeted it was wrong.

          • Tim242

            Not wrong, lied and tried to push DNA’s. You said nobody from HTC ever said it wasn’t coming. I proved you wrong, you change your tune. Where is your source for your bogus story?

          • holdthiscat

            You really don’t know when to stop, do you?

          • Tim242

            You started it. You said they never said it. I proved you wrong. I showed my source. Where’s your source for your bogus story? That truly never happened. That was speculation by tech nerds. Source please?

          • holdthiscat

            Speculation by tech nerds….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. And those of us on the inside who actually know what happened!

          • Tim242

            Hahaha on the inside. If you were on the inside, you wouldn’t have made the false claim that no one from HTC ever said that it was not coming to Verizon. You keep trying to avoid that. Now, back to your story. Source please? I’m begging you to prove me wrong.

          • holdthiscat

            No official press release came out from HTC claiming that the One was NOT going to Verizon. That tweet that you keep claiming to be your source was a response to an individual user that was incorrect and later deleted.

          • Tim242

            Companies don’t issue press releases to say that a device is not coming to a carrier. Whether they lied to one, or many is irrelevant. Tweets and retweets spread lies. Of course it was incorrect, that’s where the lie comes in. They misled a large base of users into thinking their lusted after phone would not be available to them. Then they threw salt in the wound by pushing DNA’s at them. It was official HTC twitter, therefore an official source. Where’s yours? Oh that’s right, you don’t have one. You want to accuse somebody of being a know it all, but can’t even back up your own false claims.

          • holdthiscat

            Backing up my claims would require taking you to work with me everyday so that you could see what I see and hear what I hear. Don’t think that’s a possibility.

          • holdthiscat

            I could tell you exactly how I know all of this…and you still wouldn’t believe me. Not worth it.

          • Tim242

            Telling me isn’t a source. Show me.

          • holdthiscat

            I can’t “show” you. You don’t have the authorization to see.

          • Tim242

            Hana how convenient. I wonder how many leaked documents are seen by unauthorized individuals. You are as big of a liar as HTC. You belong together.

          • holdthiscat

            Just showing your ignorance bud.

          • dontneedtoknow

            Oh please tell me more about how the other companies are “honest”. This is the biggest crap I have heard. Every oem are big liar’s so it’s not just htc.

          • Tim242

            Please show me a time any other OEM has blatantly lied to their customers. HTC has been caught in many.

          • dontneedtoknow

            Oh tell me more about how other companies are “honest”.

          • Steve Ballmer

            You started it??? Dude, grow up and quit acting like a child.

          • Tim242

            Really? With your posts and screen name…you want me to grow up?

          • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

            The Steve Ballmer dude has some cool comments. You, on the other hand, are an annoying *** vegan. Get a life and quit posting so much.

          • Tim242

            See screenshot.

          • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

            Oh please. America is a fat country because most people don’t know how to eat. All they do is stuff their face at all hours of the day. People can be healthy while eating all types of food.

          • Tim242

            Vegans can eat all we want, because our food is low in calories and fat, has no cholesterol and tastes great.

          • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

            I don’t really care what you guys eat. You guys seriously think you’re better than the non-vegans. Spread your propaganda somewhere else. Based on prior experience, it’s better to leave early before getting into an debate with a vegan. Especially a gay vegan. Peace.

          • Tim242

            I don’t think I’m better than anyone. Non-vegans like to attack us. If you look over the thread, you will see that I only defended my choice. I never told anybody to be Vegan, or that they make bad choices. I only responded to ignorance blasted at me. If you attack, we will attack back. : ) I’m also Atheist. I don’t go around trying to change anyone. It really doesn’t come up at all, until I get somebody in my face trying to change me. Live and let live : )

          • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

            I couldn’t resist the temptation so I came back to respond :P

            Fair enough. I did start it by calling you out so I guess I got what I deserved. it just gets annoying when somebody pushes their views onto others even if they don’t really intend to. Non-vegans like to attack you but vegans enjoy attacking us just as much. \//

          • Tim242

            I can’t speak for all Vegans, but I don’t like to attack anyone. I do however, like to say why I made that choice, and defend ignorance from the attackers. Just to give you one quick example, I posted a pic of Vegan queso that I make. I was attacked for eating highly processed fake cheese. In reality, it is not processed at all. It is made with cannellini beans, cashews, jalapeños, green chilies,
            nutritional yeast, paprika, chili powder, and almond milk. It is made in my kitchen, with all organic ingredients. I got a good laugh though. Anyway, thanks for showing some civility.

          • ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

            That queso sounds quite good! Especially with all the chilies! I’ve stopped eating and drinking dairy products. Too many natural hormones and you’re never sure what else is done in the factory to affect the end product.

          • emoney

            nothing quite like a vegan who tries to push their agenda onto everyone else like a religious zealot

          • TimTheK

            I hate beans. Kidney beans, black beans, cannellini beans, garbanzo beans. I hate them all. I could never survive as a vegan.

          • Tim242

            Haha yeah, that would make it difficult no doubt. Garbanzos are nasty. They smell like dog food while cooking.

          • LionStone

            But they’re awesome as hummus! :-)

          • Tim242

            You are right about that. When I make hummus, I have to buy them in the can. I can’t stand to smell them cook. : )

          • michael arazan

            Beans also are full of antioxidants

          • michael arazan

            Well half the foods on the shelves contain High Fructose Corn Syrup, which is banned in countries in Europe and Australia. HFCS is now being used to substitute for filtered water in products because it’s cheaper, like breads. The stuff is murder. Not to mention GMO’s from Monsanto “the worst corporation of 2013″ and probably ever, so bad they had an anonymous Republican sneak in a Monsanto Protection Act to prevent any damages against Monsanto for their Franken-crops, especially when their patents start ending next year and people can freely examine what they have done.

          • Adrynalyne

            Only on the Internet can a deleted tweet be held as official confirmation….

          • holdthiscat

            Tim, you work in a cell phone store. This does not mean that you know everything that happens within a company like HTC. Ever think that maybe some of us that follow these blogs might be a little higher on the chain, and maybe, just maybe, know a little bit more than you?

          • Tim242

            I showed my source. Where is yours?

    • Detonation

      Fortunately the 4.2.2 Sense 5 port works very well too. No excuse for false promises though.

      • JoshGroff

        That was my main driver before I switched to T-Mobile and got the one. (that and PAC)

    • flosserelli

      “If your phones weren’t selling like shite and were marked down to free on contract less than a year after release I wouldn’t bother with you.”

      *cough* HTC First *cough*

  • MReprogle

    Yeah, problem is that Verizon HTC Ones with hboot 1.54 are unable to acheive root. From what I have read, it seems that if you are on 4.3, you are able to downgrade the hboot and achieve root. So, even though people might not be able to see any difference between 4.2.2 and 4.3, this is a HUGE advantage.

    Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

  • Jeff Tycz

    lol the Galaxy Nexus does not even have 4.3 yet (on verizon) and this phone could potentially get it first

  • jeff manning

    Ofcourse

  • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

    Wow, android can’t even get their 32 bit phones in order but Apple is cruising along at 64 bit. This is EMBARRASSING.

    • Jonathan Ly

      Seriously? 64 bit on a mobile platform is already overkill, but there isn’t even 4GB to maximize performance. 64bit on iOS is like tricking out a tricycle

      • Gato Mafioso

        You wouldn’t be saying that if 64bit already existed on android. It may not be necessary atm, but it will surely be future proof.

        • Adrynalyne

          Yeah, he would. Not everyone falls for marketing gimmicks.

          • Gato Mafioso

            Not everyone does but a majority of people do :p

          • Adrynalyne

            I don’t put myself in the majority though. Probably why I don’t have an iPhone either.

          • Bender Bending Rodriguez

            You’re a dev so I would assume you’re smarter than most people

          • Adrynalyne

            I equate it to when the PC went 64 bit. At first, everyone wanted to rush out and get 64 bit processors. They were running 32 bit OSes on a couple gigs of ram. Nobody saw a performance increase that wasn’t placebo. A couple years later, then it was useful, after all those first gen 64 bit CPUs were rusting in a garbage heap. This is no different.

            By the time we can find it useful, the 5S will be EOL and forgotten.

          • trophynuts

            probably true about the two year junk period. But what it does is gives the IOS devs time to get their code together so that when 64 bit is useful then the applications won’t suffer as much.

        • NexusPhan

          It was announced by NVIDIA a long time ago that 64 bit was coming to Android. There is no rush as it’s still completely useless in terms of hardware. It would only waste cost and battery at this point.

          • Gato Mafioso

            I know nvidia announced it a while back. Heck I even mentioned it in a live blog during the iPhone 5S reveal and all the isheep blasted me. As I mentioned, there’s no use for it at the moment. When it comes to battery life though the iPhone is pretty good. I just wish more focus was put on optimizing battery life rather than loading the latest android device’s with 2+GB of RAM and quad-core/octa-core CPUs.

          • Adrynalyne

            iPhone 5 and 5S battery life blow.

            Battery life hasn’t been good for iPhones in a while.

          • Gato Mafioso

            I had the iPhone 5 and it got better battery life than my S4. YMMV but that has been my experience based on my usage. I’m sure the Droid Maxx and Note devices would slaughter it but I don’t own either of those devices.

          • jnt

            Relative to what? :o

          • Adrynalyne

            Relative to previous iphones and current Android devices. I guess it is going to depend on what you use it for, but for talk time, you know, the main purpose of a phone, it ranks quite low.

            Google it. A lot of people have a terrible time with battery on 5+.

            This one is 237 PAGES long:

            https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4329696?start=0&tstart=0

          • jnt

            I guess I don’t spend hours each day on the phone – maybe a few hours per week – so I can’t really comment on talk time. But otherwise it’s been comparable or better (both the 5 and 5S) to the S4 and Moto X, and definitely better than the One. I think the only phones I’ve used that are head and shoulders above the rest are obvious – the Maxx and the G2.

          • Adrynalyne

            Either way, the focus on innovation in hardware needs to switch from these ridiculous races to the latest SoCs and instead battery tech.

          • jnt

            Though I will add that since the 5, and even still the 5S, can’t do voice/data simultaneously on Verizon, it’s feasible they do quite well for talk time, since it can’t do anything else while you’re talking. :)

          • Adrynalyne

            That made me chuckle. Thanks ;)

          • bholt6

            Not to mention iOS 7 was a joke of an update. Sweet new theme. I sold my iPad not more than a day after I updated.

          • Adrynalyne

            I installed it on my daughter’s iPhone.

            My response: WTF?

            Her response: Thanks Dad! This is AWWWWWWESOME!

          • Bender Bending Rodriguez

            I find it funny how iOS7 has been giving people motion sickness and vertigo.

          • bholt6

            No kidding…and the transitions when opening apps are 10x worse on an iPad.

          • NexusPhan

            I disagree about battery life. iPhone (5 with iOS 6) doesn’t have any better battery life than my Nexus 4. I have the Nexus 4 and my GF has the 5. She carries around her charger now after upgrading from the iPhone 4. We always end up using my phone at the end of the day because her’s is dead. She’s thinking about making the switch to Android just for battery life (Ironic). The battery in that iPhone is tiny!
            But I agree about the optimizing battery life part and Moto’s excellent work there.
            Or just cram a big enough battery in there like the S4 or Note. Phones are thin enough already. Fill up space with battery.

        • Butters619

          Surely future proof? What, are you going to swap in RAM on your iPhone?

      • Guest, y u no use disqus?

        64 bit may be overkill but the performance it packs isn’t. All the benchmarks floating around the web speak for themselves.

        Just one of many:
        http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57605093-37/iphone-5s-gets-quad-core-graphics-analysis-shows/

    • Jeff Tycz

      clearly someone here does not know much about computing

    • updated Iphone user

      i’m embarrassed for you

    • NexusPhan

      Look at this tool’s profile picture. I hope he sticks with iPhone’s. it looks to fit his douche bag style. Don’t want to give Android a bad name.

    • Tim242

      Is it not more embarrassing that apple strips out half the features for all but the just released model…and it still runs slow as sh!t? How bout the fact that Android 2.3 has more features and functionality than iOS 7? Go home troll.

      • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

        It’s cool…Android will catch up. They are losing the spec war but someday they will catch up to apple.

        • Adrynalyne

          The spec war was invented by OEMs who think that their marketing genius makes a difference to intelligent people.

        • Tim242

          Poor job at avoiding the truth. 64 bit means nothing until Apple puts 4 GB of RAM in the phone. They are still stuck at 1. You think that toy is winning a spec war? With a 4″ 640 P display? Even if 64 bit meant anything, who wants to trick out a tricycle? You are out of your league over here.

          Credit to Jonathan Ly for the tricycle reference. Priceless.

        • bholt6

          I’ll never go back to Apple. Enjoy being controlled.

          • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

            Controlled? what? And i use an android, even though it is completely outdated and not future proof :(

          • bholt6

            It’s not outdated by Apple innovation standards so you can rest easy.

        • Fanboys are stupid

          People here are just as bad as Apple fanboys. Apple does some great work yet the commenters here don’t really give a crap since they think Apple is “lagging” behind Android. On the software side it may not have all the customization Android has, but it’s still a great platform. Here’s a cnet article showing the powerhouse the 5S is.

          http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57605093-37/iphone-5s-gets-quad-core-graphics-analysis-shows/

      • Guest

        “Go home troll” says the guy who has trolled

  • yodatom10

    This is the thunderbolt all over again

    • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

      HTC fanbois assured me this was phone of the year and that everyone should buy it. lol.

      • aQuickBit

        Does it really matter if it gets 4.3 or not if Google is claiming that practically every Android phone out there will be able to run 4.4 (and if they are moving to the playstore instead of software updates)?

      • PhoenixPath

        You really need to add this to all of your posts:

        #HTCTroll

      • malcmilli

        why would this change the phone of the year status, it still the first OEM device to receive 4.3.

    • Eric R.

      So far I hate my DNA now because HTC sucks at updating.

      • mustbepbs

        Go put CM10.2 on it. It has zero bugs worth mentioning.

        Or the plethora of Sense 5 ROMs that are more perfect than the garbage HTC puts out.

        • Eric R.

          I can’t use CM10.2 because I want image sense

      • gambit07

        Yeah, nosrom is pretty great if you like sense with some customization (the camera software is great).. Here’s the link, if you haven’t done s-off do that as well, it’s extremely easy, just a one click sort of deal. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2184706

      • PhoenixPath

        Durr….

        Um…

        4.3 is out for int’l and unlocked. HTC’s work is done re: 4.3.

        The carriers have it. It’s in their hands. This is not HTC’s fault (though they really shouldn’t have promised dates for carrier-branded devices).

    • JoshGroff

      The only phone of its generation to reach ICS?

      • Adrynalyne

        And only after Jellybean had been out for a while?

        • JoshGroff

          Better late than never.

          • Adrynalyne

            Not in this case. I’m sure Samsung said the same with the Continuum Gingerbread update…

          • JoshGroff

            Well, for what it’s worth, they did have a working leak months before Verizon actually sent out the ota. I believe it was like 6-7 months prior but could be wrong. And unlike the continuum, I’m sure plenty of people still owned the thunderbolt when the ota rolled out.

          • Adrynalyne

            It rolled out at the beginning of this year. I’d think that most owners had already left because the of the battery life.

          • JoshGroff

            I thought the official rollout was August or September of last year? I might be thinking of the Rezound though.

          • Adrynalyne
          • JoshGroff

            Yeah, just found it. I was running the leak in September when I sold my tbolt for a Gnex, which is why I was confused.

      • Adrynalyne

        Or the Nexus S, which was a generation BEFORE that went to Jellybean?

        • JoshGroff

          I should have specified on Verizon. Good point though.

  • Josh Carroll

    Except for Verizon, where “slightly” means 6 months.

    • Adrynalyne

      6 months, if rushed.

    • TimTheK

      Hey F&*(ing Verizon. Where’s the 4.3 update for us Galaxy NEXUS owners? Its a F&$^ing NEXUS! Update it already.

      This is slow even for you Verizon.

      • Robert Boluyt

        Verizon’s botched handling of the Galaxy Nexus was a primary factor in my leaving Verizon for better pastures.

        • Pakmann2k

          But thank goodness for a great developer community. That is the only mark of success for the GNex. For all those folks that bought a Gnex for the “stock” experience yet didn’t unlock, root, and flash, I feel horrible for them, they never got to truely enjoy the device.

      • Michael

        The Galaxy LTE has long been abandoned by Verizon.

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