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First Look at the Moto X Developer Edition for Verizon

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There she is, the Verizon Moto X Developer Edition. Orders started shipping a day or so ago and are now arriving on the doorsteps of lucky early adopters. After going live last week through Motorola’s shop at $649, the DE Moto X quickly sold out and has yet to return. If you got an order in early, you are in an elite group. 

At least one of our readers received his today and sent over a bundle of pictures to show its beauty and that “DEVELOPER EDITION” stamp. The two tone black/white combo looks great, at least to us. But then again, we are fans of black fronts on phones with on-screen touch buttons – they just look so clean.

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He also sent over pictures of the boot animation, About screen showing Android 4.2.2, and Motorola’s “BOOTLOADER UNLOCKED” warning screen that we first saw after unlocking the RAZR HD few months ago. It’s the most beautiful text a tinkerer could ever ask to see, especially after dealing with Motorola and Verizon bootloader policies of the last few years.

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Anyone else pick up a Developer Edition? Feel free to send us pictures of it.

Cheers TJWaterskier!

  • Karl

    Can anyone answer this? Verizon LTE phones are all supposed to be unlocked. Swap a SIM and your ok. I have heard other people using verizon LTE phones swap sims while in Europe and be able to make calls and texts but not data because they were still unable to change their APN settings. So far every Verizon phone I have had I have been able to have unlocked thru Verizon, but again I could not change APN, making data usage iffy.

    Can you change APN on the Verizon DE Moto X ?

    Thank you

  • Tony Stark

    I can’t believe how much that thing looks like my Nexus 4. Crazy.

  • JanetMiller88

    Home-based internet jobs. Sign up while you can b­ℴ­w­6­.­ℂ­o­m

  • Genna Killingsworth

    Just bought one. The motorola site now has Verizon developer version available today at 2:00pm PST. Been looking all week. :)

  • Stephen Rajek

    These are now back in stock!!! Get one while you can!!!

  • NorCalGuy

    Does the phone come unlocked or require the adb steps to unlock? Also does the unlock waring show up on each boot?

  • http://www.parafriv.net/ Para Friv

    I hope my life will be the next product to serve as learning fun by myself, wish you owned them soon.

  • loony2nz

    No #(*)$ing way!! Verizon!? Dev Edition? I think Satan just put on a fleece.

  • chris420o

    Can we get a review of that case…im curious if its worth the 30-40 bucks moto wants for it…im not a fan of covering that great feeling back with a clear plastic…i wish u could remove and just use that black bumper

  • chris420o

    I wish they went with the matte finish of the white instead of the threaded…in person i liked it a lot better n felt nicer for some reason…i woulda def 100% considered it if that…50 bucks is worth it alone for the extra storage unlocked is a bonus…but i might try to finagle an upgrade n use moto maker in november

  • d3si_hokie

    any information on the verizon bloat ware installed on the de motox

  • o0HERO0o

    I’ve had the Moto X in my hand for a week now, and it is ‘BY FAR THE BEST ANDROID DEVICE I’VE EVER USED’!! I haven’t had any lag so far, it out performs my S4 in every way, and I don’t know how to explain it but………the feel of it in your hand is superior to any phone on the market……overall feel as well as how it feels when touching the screen. I wish I knew how to make that make sense, but until you use one, I guess that statement will just sound weird.

    • chris420o

      i can see it…i cant wait to pick up mine but ima go moto maker in nov when vz gets it…i wish i could get the dev edition but im not sure i wanna mess with that full price and color when i hope n pray devs find a way to break into this phone like they did with the hds

  • robertlwalters

    Is the OTA from Motorola or Verizon?

  • Pakmann2k

    Silly question, what is that little tool in the top picture?

    *edit, nevermind, just figured it out.

  • aDROIDfreeworld

    So does it have the same Verizon bloat ware as the regular moto x our not?

  • dmagicp

    Paying almost 700 bucks puts you in a special group however “elite” is not what I would call it.

    • chris420o

      elite people got money to blow…it seems fitting….im not elite :(

      • dmagicp

        Neither do I. At least not for this. But one thing we are is smart, if not “elite” is lol!

  • robertlwalters

    Where there any clear stickers on the back got mine and it feels smooth and didnt know if I just can get the protective sticker off.

  • whoisjohngalt1984

    Stupid question… use motorola tools to unlock, sure. but how to gain root after that?!

  • cmdr430

    So, since this is on Verizon does it still come with all their bloatware?

  • GentlemanScholar

    Will Motorola push OTA updates to the Dev Editions? Another site is saying that is the case, but I’d love confirmation.

    • guesswhat

      looks like dev version already comes with the OTA update installed, It has build version 57 on it (saw it in the android central unboxing video) which is the new build that is OTA’ed to sprint and TMO.

      • GentlemanScholar

        Yeah, I saw that too, but do you know if future updates will go out to the Dev Editions? For instance, if I get the AT&T or Verizon Dev Edition, would I be subject to the carriers’ delayed updates or would the updates be available to dev editions prior to the delays that AT&T and Verizon put on updates?

  • Paul Hansen

    I have the Dev Edition MAXX and she’s purty :)

    • James Hill

      Lucky mate.

    • Jeremiah Bradshaw

      Why do you have the retail and dev editions? And how did you get a black back dev edition I thought the backs were white. I would like to ask you some questions about the two editions…are you on G+?

      • Paul Hansen

        I purchased the retail version for my GF and the Dev edition for myself. Droid MAXX’s are all black. G+ is arcanexvi

  • mecevans

    Other than the unlocked bootloader, what else is different?

    • TJWaterskier

      That’s it.. but that is a big IT if you know what you’re doing.

  • Blue Sun

    I believe that is called the tramp stamp.

    • modulusshift

      Cutie Mark?

      • Richard Jackson

        My next phone won’t have a blank flank.

  • dcc_tech

    Just got my Droid Maxx Dev Edition in today. It’s basically the exact same as Moto X but better specs, and same price at dev edition level. I encourage whoever is deciding to compare Droid Maxx and Moto X in store. Maxx has bigger screen while still feeling comfortable (same amount of pixels as Moto X), huge battery, kevlar back, wireless charging, and IMO looks really slick. On screen keys and actually made my G-Nex lag more during its last legs so that’s not a deal breaker for me. Will post pics soon!

    • Booyah

      Pixel density is actually less (larger screen and same resolution means less ppi – 316ppi for Moto X and 294ppi for the Maxx). The X gets me through a full day and I don’t need a phone to get me any more than that. The Maxx doesn’t do it for me because I can’t stand the look of the back, the DROID lettering, and just the phone hardware in general. Maybe it’s just a personal thing, but it’s just me. That’s why it’s great that we have choices.

    • TJWaterskier

      I had wireless charging on my DNA.. I loved it.. when I was keeping my phone charged.. however if I wanted to actually CHARGE my phone, I plugged it in and got much better results. Wireless charging is convenient but not game-changing yet.

  • MikeKorby

    I was just debating with myself as to whether or not I want to jump for one of these when it is available again, or grab an Ultra MAXX. I just noticed that the MAXX does not have 802.11 ac, whereas the x does. That being said.. start building faster Texas!

    • Andy Taylor

      Tough choice. I decided to go X (consumer) the Maxx will not get the developer support that the X will. None the less Maxx is an excellent phone. 99.9% same software as X

      • MikeKorby

        Yeah I feel like the X will be like the OG days of old. I am pretty much obligated to get it. And I am trying to retain my unlimited, so paying $50 more for a dev edition over a consumer one is worth it

    • Droidtommy

      Droid Maxx does have ac wi-fi

      • MikeKorby

        Can you confirm from experience? Moto’s site does not list ac, but it does state as such around the internet…

  • Andy Taylor

    What will all these people do when the Consumer version gets BL unlocked? We at least you got 16GB extra memory… and Oreo design. (note: full retail the dev edition is worth the extra money – $50)

    • chris420o

      the extra storage is worth the 50 alone

  • jim

    50 bucks more and you get a note3

    • Adrynalyne

      Not everyone wants a Note 3, heh.

    • Booyah

      I consider that $50 well saved :)

  • calum wilper

    got it wednesday, unlocked today!

  • Kevin

    I also had to jump through the “moto bootloader unlock key” hoops to get going on my Moto X Dev Edition, but it all worked out. Unclocked, rooted, and got a little bit of CM flavor on it through the MotoXposed app available on Google Play. I was also able to scratch off the Verizon and Developer Edition tramp stamps on the back without doing any damage. Overall, very pleased with this purchase, except for the ridiculous price tag….

    • GentlemanScholar

      Pics of the back or it didn’t happen.

      • kevin

        Here you go! taken in a mirror…

        • kevin

          sorry pic didn’t upload

          • Reginald Jefferson

            It’s so….cean!

          • Nsane

            Nice. What did you use.

          • Kevin

            I just used a a pair of scissors, held the blade flat and scraped lightly. Helped that the scissors were sharp, a razor blade would work just as well…

          • GentlemanScholar

            Looks nice. Looks like you missed a spot or that the camera added an artifact. OCD I know.

          • chris420o

            nice job…let the people know how u did it lol…and i woulda kept the dev edition there n just got rid of verizon

    • Gr8Ray

      Does it show that bootloader unlocked warning on EVERY boot?

      • TJWaterskier

        Yes

    • bluefolder

      How did you root it?

      • Kevin

        Root achieved through PwnMyMoto app found on xda

    • Kevin

      *Unlocked

  • jaredgreenwald

    So, what’s the overall difference between this and the “normal” edition?

    • Tyler

      Unlockable bootloader which isn’t present on the Verizon version, color combo, and 32GB storage vs 16GB from Verizon.

  • ranlil

    I was just getting ready to post my pics… Love this thing… Same outside dimensions as my Bionic, yet with a bigger screen.

    • Maxim∑

      best part is the bezels, big display in a small body

  • Ralph Bretz

    The Moto X may be the best phone I’ve ever used. Better than the S4 or anything else I’ve had. The Droid Ultra or Droid RAZR HD or GNEX or S3.

    • TJWaterskier

      It is absolutely trouncing my old DNA on all fronts except for screen brightness/white-ness so far.

      • Reginald Jefferson

        I can see that. HTC has been using very nice screens for the past couple of years. Hard to beat that.

    • JoshGroff

      I can’t wait for Republic Wireless to get it. (waiting for them to get motomaker as well.) Cheap enough to justify having as just a secondary line for work and what not.

    • Chris Kirby

      I just got rid of my s4 to order this phone, so that’s good to hear. I just prefer a stock(ish) android experience, both software and hardware…can’t get on the samsung train with touchwiz and their insistence on a physical menu button along with a back button that’s on the wrong side. even running an aosp rom, i just couldn’t’ get used to it.

      • Justin W

        I want this phone and it’s features so badly, but I also really want a 5.5-6″ device. It would be amazing if Moto would come out with a large form-factored version of the X to capture a larger market share.

        • Tyler

          So Moto XL?

          • Jhed Predon

            loved reading this

        • Chris Kirby

          I think we’ll see the new Nexus fill that role in just a few weeks time. I know its likely an LG phone based on the G2, but it would be really cool if it were a moto phone like you are suggesting.. a little bigger and badder with the same great design. maybe the 2014 nexus :)

          • Justin W

            Yeah. I’m thinking almost stock with the same features. I’ve had a Nexus before, and while it was great not having all that bloat on it, I’d prefer a “skin” with added features. I really like Sense 5, but I would love to have a Moto with it’s suite of enhancements.

        • JRUIV

          We will definitely see more versions of the Moto X. Moto X2, Moto XL, Moto XXX :p

          • zurginator

            Hey man, use some NSFW tags please!

        • Adrynalyne

          It would be perfect if it had an sd card slot and 1080p screen.

          • http://www.toysdiva.com Toys Samurai

            IMO, 1080p at this screen size is a novelty feature. Assuming everything else of the display stays the same, at normal reading distance, I think most people won’t tell any differences b/w 720p and 1080p.

            A SD card slot, however, will be very useful.

          • TJWaterskier

            I will never eat up 32 gig (unlimited data)… and 720 is all you need at this screen size.

          • KleenDroid

            I agree. If it had these I would get it. Most of all the lack of an sd card for me.

          • RotorHard

            I just gave up my S4 for the Moto X Dev. Side-by-side can’t tell the difference in resolution. In fact, Moto X doesn’t look as washed out as S4. I do love the S4 5″ screen, but that and sd card are the only things it has on this phone. I can live with only 32GB onboard for the way the Moto X runs (battery, smoothness, feel, etc).

          • Adrynalyne

            S4 is pentile though, so that explains a lot.

            I can forgo 1080p, but not the sd card slot.

        • C-Law

          Funny how different everyone is. I bought a note 2 and discovered it was way too big. I was about to sell it but then my mom saw it and loved it so I gave it to her. 2 months later and she still loves it. I got an s4 but I still find the screen too large compared to my s3 and gnex. I like to be able to do anything one handed as much as possible. I think this phone may be perfect for me

      • Booyah

        You won’t be disappointed.

      • Mitchman

        Companies in the last 2 years have just recently brought the “back” button to the left side. Yes, OG Droid had it on the left side, but after that most Android phones had the back button to the right of the home button.

        Why do people care what side it is on? Because stock Android now has it on the left?

    • 2way

      So have you tried the G2 yet? I’ve been using it for a week now and love it. I’m torn if I should keep it or go to the X. Any thoughts that I should consider?

      • KleenDroid

        Keep it. And never worry about it again.

        The Moto X is a nice phone for sure… but… You are in a good spot right now.

        Also Loki unlock that big guy now.

    • Maxim∑

      Yep, after getting a Moto X I immediately realized the S4 was crap and iPhone…. you finish the rest.

      Moto/Google and Apple are the only ones at the moment really focusing on software/hardware optimization instead of more cores

  • Patrick Flanigan

    Call me uninformed, but what is that little plastic thing in the topmost picture immediately to the left of the phone?

    • Jonathan Berry

      Sim tray ejector.

    • JoshGroff

      SIM slot tool.

    • chris420o

      the magical moto key…use it to pop out simcard slot

  • chris420o

    They should have just made a regular bumper case for this phone…that back feels way to nice to cover it with a clear piece of plastic

    • Maxim∑

      They have a really nice speck case but its been sold out everywhere literally half of the accessories on moto’s website is sold out. Probably because of the high demand

  • Steve

    I got mine two days ago. So far the battery has been more than I expected. Compared to my Gnex, I have used one battery life of the X compared to 2.5 of the Gnex.

    • samari711

      I’ve got a non DE MotoX and I don’t think I’ve gotten it below 20% in my daily routine yet. Compared to my Thunderbolt which would be lucky to make it to the end of the work day this is amazing

      • Booyah

        Same. I’m pleasantly surprised by the battery. Much better than I anticipated.

        • michael arazan

          What Kind of Usage? Do you use it to browse the web a lot, or use all access for an hour or two, watch videos via YT or browser, or play?

          • Booyah

            All the above. All the posts I’ve seen from others here who have one say the same. Unless you’re streaming YouTube all day it should get you through. I’d say about 3.5 hrs on screen time will drain a full charge on average, at least for mine. But I don’t consider myself a crazy power user either.

      • WCM3

        My Thunderbolt could barely make it two hours under normal usage. I needed to get the extended battery and then it felt like I was carrying a brick. Don’t miss that phone one bit!

        • Ej McCarty

          How is everyone getting such good battery life? Mine doesn’t seem all that great. What’s your screen on time like?

          • Weber

            2.5 – 3.5 hours, typically.

    • chris420o

      good to hear…im wating on moto maker…black face red back black button accents…man looked nice in at&t store…or i like the flat matte black back with red eccents

    • calum wilper

      exactly! got 16 hours with 20% left with no less usage than my galaxy nexus, very pleased

  • Open1Your1Eyes0

    This should have been the regular Verizon Moto X. :P

    • http://www.toysdiva.com Toys Samurai

      We can thank Verizon for giving us craps all these years.

  • Stephen Rajek

    My daily routine has become going to Moto’s website and mashing the refresh button until these are finally back in stock.

    • http://www.nclf.net/ Goldman60

      I mash it on my Galaxy Nexus… and then it runs out of battery

      • Stephen Rajek

        I remember my G-Nex days well. Thanks for bringing up painful memories.

        • moew

          Memories that iphone owners of the day shared and were jelly of the g-nex extreme battery life (heh)

          • Moto Nomo

            Cool, it looks like the X now comes with iPhone accessories.

          • moew

            Not seeing a single one.

            If you meant “white” then you failed, other products have had white, even before the icrap phone.

            Get with the times man, you are on a droid website. Go back to 486cpu days, yo.

          • Yannick Mark Perryman

            you aren’t seeing them because you blindly hate apple. they are white, and they do look like apple products (which are meant to be iconic) regardless of who else has done it before. the point is that it doesn’t matter. we’re all talking about a sweet android device. YOU get with the times and stop the apple attention-envy.

    • moelsen8

      Yeah me too. Made my decision Monday night, hours after they sold out. Played with one in store for a while and haven’t stopped thinking about it. Can’t wait.

      • Larizard

        They have MotoX on Verizon stores now?

        • moelsen8

          Yes it’s there, at least the one I went to.

        • chris125

          They have had them in stores for weeks

          • Joseph J Pfister

            I went to a store this past Wednesday and asked if they had any in stock, since there was no advertisement for it and no display set up. She went in the back and got one out, and had to ask the manager if they were supposed to sell them yet. Then she asked me why I wanted that phone anyway? o_o
            I didn’t stick around much longer.

          • chris125

            Yeah stores around me have multiple working models on stores

          • aQuickBit

            But you wanted the phone right? Why did you leave?

          • Joseph J Pfister

            I hadn’t seen one in person yet. I was just going to check it out. I was messing with it for a few minutes and the lady started asking why I wanted to see that phone… I’ll just order it online. :)

    • Maxim∑

      its worth every refresh. great phone!

    • Stephen Rajek

      I made a separate post just now that these are back in stock but thought I’d reply here to my original post as well. Get one before they run out again! I just placed my order :)

  • KoTiell

    The funny thing is I want the MotoMaker just to make a version like this, but I like the “Chalk” back. I call it “The Oreo”.

  • Chris Kirby

    still waiting on my GSM edition…been 5 days of “Not Shipped” on the order status site. They did say it may be a 7 day lead time, so i do expect to have mine by mid to late next week. And yeah, the first thing i’m doing is unlocking the bootloader :) I’m assuming the sdk ‘fastboot oem unlock’ should do the trick.

    • TJWaterskier

      fastboot oem get_unlock_data
      obligatory moto-website copy/past nonsense to get UNIQUE_KEY
      fastboot oem unlock UNIQUE_KEY

      • JoshGroff

        I thought their past developer devices just used the standard fastboot oem unlock. At least that’s what I remember doing with my Xoom LTE.

    • Brady KEITH

      re: “Not Shipped”. . . I ordered and received the Skip without the order status changing from “Not Shipped”. I don’t think that motorola is concerning itself too much with the order status.

  • sc0rch3d

    GSM version still out of stock :(

  • Chippah

    Sweet Galaxy Nexus! lol

  • RedXander

    $650 and it still has the Verizon logo…

    • Pedro

      But they throw that in for free.
      Except that you will likely use it on Verizon, meaning nothing is free.

      • TJWaterskier

        Verizon, Orange and Singtel actually :)

    • Bender Bending Rodriguez

      The lack of a “4G LTE” logo comes at a premium.

      • michael arazan

        I’d pay to remove the verizon bloatware

    • Michael Vernon

      I didn’t know Portland had Verizon. I thought they banned them from the city limits…

  • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

    This is one of the few 32 bit phones out there worth owning…they have some forward thinking features, just a shame it will be outdated when the 64 bit Galaxy S5 drops.

    Spending your money on a 32 bit phone these days is a terrible investment. Think about the future, guise.

    • Nate

      You are high.

      • samosa king

        Nah. He’s just stupid. Lack of research will lead you to a road of hate.

        • Dre Fay

          just a troll

        • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

          Rude.

          • Maxim∑

            its the ARMv8 instruction set making a huge difference atm… 32 bit phones are fine. the only reason companies like apple are starting x64 is to make the the transition easier. otherwise x64 is useless right now on phones.

    • legaceez

      Really? You do realize 64bit won’t be fully utilized for at least 3-4 more years if ever. Look at the PC market.

      A 32bit phone now will be traded in before 64bit even becomes relevant. Stop buying into the 64bit hype.

      • Asmodai

        I’m not sure that’s true. The PC market is not a good example because the average PC owner tends to keep their PC (and whatever OS it came with) for a long time. Smartphones tend to be replaced every 2 years (in the U.S. due to contract lengths). Now with 64bit taking off on the upcoming consoles and more new desktop OS installs being 64bit then 32 I imagine the smartphone transition will go MUCH faster.

        From a hardware perspective I suspect we will hit 4GB of RAM on tablets by the end of next year (the new Galaxy Note 10.1 already has 3GB) and if Android support for 64bit is added next year in 5.0 then I bet it will be closer to 1-2 years not 3-4.

        • Justin W

          I think 2-3 is more accurate because we have all of these people who are locking themselves into contracts right now that won’t upgrade for another two (or more) years and will still be on 32bit processors that can’t handle 64bit Android. In addition, we truly won’t see the benefits of 64bit Android until our devices require (note that require is different than actually having) 4GB of memory (granted there are multiple other reasons to upgrade to 64bit, but this is the most well-known).

          • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

            Justin, there is a reason that Samsung made an IMMEDIATE announcement about a 64 bit processor once Apple announced theirs. They have egg on their faces.

            Android has been fighting a spec war and they just got viciously out-spec’ed. Really, people are sleeping on this huge debacle!

            Don’t buy another phone until the S5 and above at this point, unless you want to left in the dust.

          • ONeal Pierce

            is the iphone even running 64bit software or os. if not then why does it even matter if it has 64 bit processor?

          • guesswhat

            ios7 is not 64 bit

          • Maxim∑

            yes it is x64 at least just for the 5S right now

          • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

            Good question. All of the 1st party iphone apps are available as 64 bit and the all of the 64 bit safari specs murder every android benchmark.

        • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

          Galaxy 5 will be 64-bit. You guys are nuts to ignore how behind Android is right now.

          Apple has not only won the design and experience war…but now the spec war! 9 million sold in one weekened. Take your blinders off, bro.

          • Maxim∑

            No
            one
            cares
            about
            the
            GS5

          • http://www.toysdiva.com Toys Samurai

            You know why Apple has to introduce 64bit earlier? iOS does not have a virtual machine to execute bytecodes. Apps need to be rewritten or recompiled to take advantage of the 64bit OS, and that will take times. The earlier they do it, the better.

            On the other hand, most Android apps run inside the virtual machine. As long as the virtual machine is ported to 64bit, apps will be able to take advantage of it (apps written in native codes are exception, of course.)

            Given that it will be a while before we see a majority of Android devices running 4Gb or more RAM, we can afford to stay a bit longer in 32bit.

        • legaceez

          Even a generous prediction I’d still say at least 2 years, at which point you’ll have a new phone anyways.

          Being 64 bit in itself barely speeds anything up. Phones don’t have enough RAM to utilized the extra readable memory yet and the few new 64 bit instructions will be barely used. You might get like a 5% boost because of bigger register sizes but it really is no big deal. It’s basically not the must have that Apple makes it out to be.

          • Asmodai

            I’m not sure what your point is here. You have this big argument about how going 64bit doesn’t speed things up much but at no time did I say ANYTHING about 64bit speeding anything up. My main point was to disagree with your “Look at the PC market” because the mobile market isn’t going to take anywhere near as long to embrace 64bit is the PC marked did. The first x86-64 version of Windows was released in 2005 and most software to this day is still released 32bit. I just don’t think it’s going to take anywhere near that long for mobile devices to make the transition so I feel it’s a poor analogy.

            As for phones not having enough RAM to utilize the extra readable memory yet as I noted the new Galaxy Note 10.1 already has 3GB of RAM and my claim isn’t about phones now my claim was that if we’re at 3GB today then it’s not hard to believe that there will be devices with 4GB+ RAM in 1 to 2 years versus your claim of 3-4. I will be shocked it top end Android tablets don’t have at least 4GB of RAM by the end of next year.

            I actually agree with you that 64bit isn’t as big a deal as Apple is making it out to be but it’s also not the completely pointless thing many in the anti-Apple community seem to think it is. As with most things the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

          • legaceez

            It’s all back to the original point of it not mattering if the Moto X was 32 or 64 bit. 3GB of Ram is all within 32 bit territory and the Note 3 is the only one. They’ve always pushed the RAM spec as a feature. Another thing for spec whores to pick up on.

            The original point was that this phone is already obsolete because it’s not 64 bit, and the reality of it is, no it is not yet obsolete nor will it be before it’s lifetime is over. My comparison to the PC market is still correct even if you shorten the timespan to make up for the quicker turnaround.

          • Asmodai

            If your response is back to the original post why’d you respond to mine on not his? I’m not the original poster and I don’t agree with the original poster. I responded to your post because I felt your comparison to the PC market was flawed and it’s not going to take the 3-4 years for hardware to come out that requires 64bit that you claim. Your PC reference appears to have been to illustrate how long the 64bit migration takes. If you shorten the timespan you therefor invalidate the analogy. If it wasn’t to illustrate migration timespans what was the analogy supposed to be?

            The Note 3 is NOT the only Android device with 3GB of RAM the new Galaxy Note 10.1 that I’ve repeatedly cited has it as well and really that’s not the point because I have never said we need it NOW. Saying we won’t have a need for 64bit OS in 1-2 years because we don’t have any devices that need it NOW doesn’t make any sense. Again if we have 3GB devices today then assuming there will be multiple 4GB+ devices in 1 to 2 years isn’t exactly a large stretch. It is a far larger stretch to assume they won’t add 1GB more RAM to top end devices for the 3-4 years you claim. Hardware is advancing quickly in the mobile industry and that is a rather modest bump.

          • legaceez

            Again it’s all semantics. No one needs a 64 bit phone now. NOBODY. There is no such thing as future proofing. You are a fool if you believe that.

            Seems like you misunderstood my PC and Phone timeline comparison but it doesn’t matter as however you view it there’s only one conclusion you can come to. No one needs a 64bit phone right now. If what i’m saying doesn’t back up the original point there really is no need for me to respond. I responded to you directly because you responded to me.

            Okay so there’s a Note 10.1 with 3GB RAM but that is a tablet. Either way it’s irrelevant. That extra gig of RAM is moot. Doesn’t increase performance in any way if you look at all of the benchmarks. Just a marketing ploy. Like bullet pointing 64bit right now is. Sure it’s nice to have them so we can finally transition to it a few years down the road but like it said it’s a stretch to say if you don’t have 64bit right now you are already obsolete. It should not be the deciding factor for anybody right now. FACT! Case closed.

          • Asmodai

            At no time did I say anyone needs a 64bit phone NOW. I’ve also made clear that I am not the OP in case there was some confusion there and that I do not agree with his post so you can stop bringing up his arguments in replies to me as if I said them and you are somehow refuting my claims.

            My point was just that it is NOT going to be 3-4 years before there is mobile hardware to take advantage of a 64bit OS and that it will not take as long to transition from 32bit to 64bit as it has on the PC as you claimed. If you disagree with those points by all means offer evidence, examples, etc. but I didn’t say a thing about performance improvements or any of these other straw men you keep throwing up.

            As for the extra gig it is relevant because 4GB is the max a 32bit OS can address so that’s the wall where you begin to need a 64bit system. Again at no time did I say anything about increasing performance and at no time did I say we need it NOW. It is NOT going to take us 3-4 years to get to that wall though we’ll almost certainly be there next year on top end devices and it will move closer to mainstream the year after that… thus 1-2 years.

          • legaceez

            I should have clarified. Okay say 3 GB phone takes off next year. We won’t see a 4GB phone until probably two more years. So in 2-3 more years we will need 64 bit to access the memory. That’s usually how the phone spec upgrade goes. This is assuming the modules are cheap enough to mass produce by then. 4 GB might not even be common for another 3-4 years because it will be cost prohibitive. Mobile RAM chips are surprisingly expensive. See where I’m going with this? In two years you most likely will have a new phone anyways.

            My main point is really software wise though. 64 bit will be severely under utilized. Just look at the PC market now. It’s good to start transitioning yes but having 64 bit isn’t as big as an advantage as most people think. Even just compiling an app in 64 bit means almost nothing. That’s just saying it’s 64 bit for the sake of it.

            In the grand scheme of things yes it’s the next natural progression but it should be a deal breaker or deciding factor for anyone buying a phone.

      • Guy Pierce

        He should buy this crap then if he’s worried about it being outdated. I’d hate for him to waste his money on an outdated phone. (wink)
        http://images.apple.com/iphone-5s/specs/images/color_gold.jpg

        • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

          Sorry Guy Pierce, that phone is almost impossible to get. I’d have to wait 2 months.

        • Maxim∑

          come on 5S is not crap!

          I bought a moto x instead of it but…nvm

    • Jeff

      This comment makes me feel bad about wanting a Moto X, because I would be of like mind about it being a good phone with someone who would think something like that.

      • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

        Weird. You should think for yourself more, and not worry about others, Jeff.

    • JoshGroff

      Ok Google Now, how long does it take for a joke to get old?

    • xd1936

      I know you’re trolling here, but it’s worth pointing out that Android uses the Dalvik JVM to interpret app code. If and when Dalvik is rewritten for 64-bit, then all Android apps will magically start working. Pretty cool.