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New FCC Docs Accidentally Give Us Multi-Angle Images of New LG Nexus

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LG recently submitted a “class 2 permissive change” to the FCC for Verizon’s variant of the G2, known internally as the LG-VS980. With the G2 launching on Big Red today, these last minute submissions are apparently typical. That said, there is nothing typical about this one, as it appears to be a screw-up either at the FCC or by LG. The documents are available for the world to see at this point, something that tends to happen once a phone is made available, but they do not show the LG G2 for Verizon. No sir, they show the LG-D820 in a variety of images, a device better to known to us as the next Nexus device or potentially, Nexus 5

As can be seen on the lower white sticker in the top image, the model number shows as LG-D820. The actual images themselves depict a device that matches up exactly to the phone seen in a Googler’s hands during the Kit Kat unveiling, and also last week’s FCC docs for the LG-D820. We’ve already laid out our reasons to believe that this is the next Nexus, if you haven’t read it yet.

We have a top left-positioned camera lens with flash below. On LG G2 models (all of them), the camera is centered with flash, volume, and power located directly below it. As you can see in these images, the volume rocker and power switches are located in the more traditional spots on the left and right sides of the device. Again, this is clearly not the G2.

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In the top and bottom shots of the phone, which are incredibly blurry, you can pick out microUSB and headphone ports. On the G2, you have microUSB and headphone jack both on the bottom of the device, not on opposite sides of each other like we are seeing here.

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Also, keep in mind that this looks like a very early prototype and by no means is a finished product. So no, that top notch is likely not a fingerprint scanner if that’s what you were thinking. If you look at the image below with the back removed, there is nothing underneath it from what we can tell. Oh, and this also does not mean that the back is removable – it’s simply the FCC digging under the hood. The 2300mAh battery is confirmed yet again, though.

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And is it just me or does this look identical to the shape of the Nexus 4? Thoughts?

Via:  FCC | Phonescoop | @evleaks [top image]

  • Jordan Pfingsten

    Very glad I went with a Moto X.

  • TMKvamme

    I pulled the top picture into AutoCAD and scaled it with the handy rulers they provided for us.

    Screen size is approximately 12.5cm or 4.9″.

    (The picture with the screen has the blurriest rulers so the measurements are by no means exact.)

    • Jeff

      No real need to do that, since they reported the size specs about a week ago.

    • Kenton Douglas

      so still a nexus 4 then?

      • Tim242

        No. Nexus 4 already exists. Phones are not named by display size. It was 4.7″, not 4″. Don’t tell me they rounded down, that is silly. No phone has ever been named by display side. That is tablets only.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y28e4cFHVqE&context=C400d214ADvjVQa1PpcFOiLGlDqf2sJr2k4TNISoJzm8bFM7wgYKU= TheAndroid1

          So in three generations, we will have two Nexus 7′s?

          • Tim242

            Nope. They will do one of two things. They’ll name it, like they did with two of the four, or they’ll keep the display at 5″ from now on and call it Nexus 5 from here on out. You never know, a lot of naming conventions change. The iPhone 4 was named by gen number, then they broke convention again with the 4S. The 5 should’ve been the 6. Who knows how they will handle their naming. Continuing to do gen number is silly. Are we going to see Galaxy S 50 ?

          • Just_Some_Nobody

            They should just call it “the Nexus phone”.

            This year could be “The Nexus phone 2013 edition.”

        • JRomeo

          While it might be true that phones have never been named on display size. the N7 tablets naming convention will probably carry over to phones. the 4.96 inch future Nexus is so close to 5 inches it might as well be the N5, and every future phone which is ~5 inches will be called the N5 just like every future N7 which is 7 inches will be called the N7

          • Tim242

            That’s what I’m thinking. The Nexus 4 was named by gen number. I am thinking they will converge gen number and display size going forward. But, we won’t know until next year…unless they don’t call this the Nexus 5. They might give it a name and leave off the number again. We shall see.

          • Droidzilla

            I don’t believe the Nexus 4 was named by version number, but it’s really hard to be sure. Google started the screen size naming convention with the Nexus 4, 7, and 10. I get that Nexus 4 isn’t really apropos for a 4.7″ screen, but I believe it’s a fairly loose naming convention. So we’ll have the Nexus 5, which will bring zero clarity since it’s both the 5th phone and 4.96″. Thanks for clearing that up, Google.

          • a3uge

            I don’t think it really matters. The 7 came out months before the 4, so it’s not like they were completely ignoring their other versioning scheme. They probably came up with this all at one time and have a plan for phone names in the next couple of year. The 4 makes for a good name because it can mean both the version and screen size. The 5 will also work. Apple has the same confusion with the iPhone numbering. The iPhone 3G was the version after the first iPhone. The iPhone 4 didn’t have 4G and was their 4th generation. Windows 7 was also confusing name as it didn’t exactly correspond to their version numbers. In a couple years, they won’t release a Nexus 6, unless it’s a phablet. They could also go back and release a Nexus 4 that has a smaller screen and is a bit cheaper.

            Who knows? They started the trend of re-releasing the 7 as the same name, so maybe they’re going the route of the iPad/iPod. In a few years the Nexus name could get stale and you could see Google putting names/letters at the end of ‘Nexus’ again… we’ll see. For now, arguing over what how they derived the name ‘Nexus 4′ is pretty pointless because they probably had multiple people in whatever meeting this was say “oh it fits the version number and roughly the phone size.”

        • ninjawarren

          The problem with this line of reasoning is that Google can’t make a device called Nexus 6, thanks to the estate of Philip K. Dick being sue-happy.

          • a3uge

            I’m pretty sure Google could name it the “Star Trek Enterprise” and win that lawsuit.

        • Kenton Douglas

          I have no idea what you’re talking about. I sincerely hope you do.

          • Tim242

            So I take it that you think naming it Nexus 4 based on a 4.7″ display makes more sense than because it was the 4th Nexus? I mean, no other phone in history has been named by display size. Tablets however, it is very common. The silly ideas some people get in their heads never ceases to amaze.

          • Kenton Douglas

            What happens when they get to the seventh nexus phone?

          • Tim242

            There are a few possibilities. The first possibility is that they converge numbering and screen size together with the upcoming Nexus. It will be the 5th Nexus, with a 5″ display. That way, it can be Nexus 5 from here on out. I’m not sure though if they’ll stop increasing screen size. Another possibility is just a name without a number. The best possibility is just call it the New Nexus, or Nexus(2014). Who knows. I do know that they’ve had 4 Nexus phones so far, 2 had just names, the other 2 had gen number. There is no logical reason that the 4 in Nexus 4 came from its 4.7″ display. Never mind the fact that no phone has ever been named by screen size. Why would they want to under advertise the screen size? Phones and tablets are in different categories, and are named differently. Look at the Galaxy Note line. The 5.3″, 5.5″, and now the 5.7″ phone is named by gen. The 7″, 7.7″, 8″, and 10″ tablets are named by display size.

    • joejoe5709

      Reports say 4.96 so very very close! Basically 5″. I mean, at the point can’t we just call it 5″? That’s what… a millimeter difference?

      • Droidzilla

        1.016 mm

        • joejoe5709

          Lol. Thank you.

  • Tony Byatt

    I have my N4 listing ready…HA…

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Best Buy’s Trade in still lists the trade in value of an N4 above $250. Kind of funny since the price dropped and they haven’t updated that yet.

      • Droidzilla

        Do you have to buy a new device with Best Buy for that to apply?

        • Franklin Ramsey

          No, but the higher amount is given as a gift card. I think the gift card Value is $254 dollars while the dollar value if you want a check is somewhat less. Don’t know the specifics of if they will do cash/check on that model though.

  • Cory_S

    Is that a rocket launcher attachment strapped to the back? I hope it comes standard

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I’m guessing a mini blow dart attachment. Doesn’t take up as much power.

    • joejoe5709

      iPhone gets fingerprint scanners. Nexus gets rocket powered drones. Either way, it’s a win for the NSA. Lol.

  • TY

    Where’s the speaker? That circle under the camera and LED?

  • BobbyG

    That battery :(

  • Butters619

    When I saw the little cut out at the top, my first thought was IR blaster. (which would still point forward when holding the phone like a remote)

  • Jroc869, Nexus-Life

    my precious

    • New_Guy

      This thing is gorgeous. I’m basically sold already.

      • TheDrizzle

        Agreed, but I’m worried about the size and thickness. Looks pretty thick. But since it’s a Nexus I’m going to buy it anyway to get those sweet, sweet updates.

        • ImmaDroid

          Doesn’t the rear camera lens look really small? It’s like the size of a front facing camera. Not the huge circle, the actual little lens

          • zurginator

            Same size as normal – the absurdly huge circle around it is what makes it look so small.

          • ImmaDroid

            Yea I guess.. But thinking about it, they Should start making better camera tech with larger lenses. I would sacrifice thickness And weight for an actual better built in camera. Not like galaxy camera big, but a bit bigger than now. Also a small optical zoom lens would be cool too

          • Mickey A Valentine

            To bad we can’t switch out the Nokia OS for android and get that amazing 41 megapixel camera

          • zurginator

            The problem with this argument (and the thicker phone with bigger battery argument) is that only the portion filled by those components (usually less than 50%) would need to be thicker – you can’t make the motherboard thicker to make it smaller in other dimensions.

            There are ways around this, but people hate what it brings (large bezels, squared-off design, the ‘Motorola Hump’).

  • evolutionx1

    I think the black box on the top back of the phone could be the speaker, since i couldn’t find the speaker anywhere else

    • Steve B

      nope

  • MichaelFranz

    that camera eye looks huge but the actual optic looks a bit smaller. the camera just looks weird. i know its not finished but you can’t imagine its not pretty close.

    inductive chagring looks to be confirmed, which is nice..

    • LionStone

      Figured so with the wireless charging since the Nexus 4 had it and the new nexus 7…Google knows what up!

  • Eric

    Shiny black plastic along the sides…hopefully it is just a prototype.

  • http://www.hammertechnologies.net/ Chase Johnson

    gah stupid off-center camera. I hope there is a parallel nexus 5 from another company.

  • Jeff Tycz

    No signs of a glass back..I approve

    • StuckOnVerizonForever

      I hope its plastic.

      • Omar

        That wouldn’t be so bad just make it high quality; semi furry and very grippy or leathery

        • acras

          Furry? FURRY!!??

          • Omar

            bad description. meant grippy almost rubber-ish

      • mustbepbs

        It looks like the same soft-touch material that’s on the new Nexus 7.

        • StuckOnVerizonForever

          aka plastic

          • Just_Some_Nobody

            Didn’t you hear? Plastic is now “In”.

          • diversification

            I thought that wood was in…
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            That’s what she said

      • j

        People like to bitch about plastic.. but it’s clearly one of the the best fits for smartphone bodies. Aside from “feel”, its has more benefits than aluminum.. and glass is just a freaking joke. Haven’t used any of these fancy kevlar bodies, but they probably work pretty damned well too.

        • Sqube

          It seems that when people complain about plastic, they’re mostly talking about Samsung.

          HTC put plastic on the One X, and it was great. And now that Apple has put plastic on the 5c, obviously plastic is one of the greatest phone materials known to mankind.

          • Yup

            Yeah. It’s just Samsung’s implementation of plastic is horrible. At least with the new Note 3 they’re trying something different.

            Read this article for a good laugh. The author makes it seem like Apple invented plastic and injection molding. I pretended he was talking about the HTC Windows Phone 8 since they’re basically made the same way and it made the article bearable to read.
            http://gizmodo.com/the-brilliant-simplicity-behind-the-iphone-5cs-design-1291914052

          • Francois Schneider

            Gizmodo are so Apple fanboys it’s becoming a sad joke.

          • maverick

            So you approve of plastic after apple used it. iF@g

          • Sqube

            The extent to which that sarcasm was lost on you would be sad if it wasn’t so funny.

          • Greyhame

            LOL.

        • Flat_Stanley

          Also, plastics can have about a billion different “feels” depending on the composition. Not all of them are glossy.

        • James Friedman

          And it keeps the price down….double win!

    • Chris Hannan

      I’m going to miss the glass.

      • Joe

        Said nobody ever.

        • Chris Hannan

          I don’t understand the hate for glass backs. It’s simple and relatively cheap to replace. $25 on eBay for the replacement and the back pops off after you unscrew the two bottom screws.

          I haven’t had to replace it yet but even if I did, it’s worth it for the way it looks and feels.

          • E A butler

            The fact that it CAN be broken quite easily and it serves no REAL purpose, means it should be out. Nothing wrong with good old plastic.

          • Chris Hannan

            I wouldn’t say it cracks easily. Mine is still in one solid piece. And its purpose is no less than wearing nice looking clothes or having an aluminum phone. I said I like the way it looks and feels.

          • zurginator

            I have broken 2 N4 screens (yay for slim bezels with no shock absorption), but never broken the back. My last one was thrown at a concrete wall by a chick… Did some nasty work to the plastic, but the glass was fine.

        • zurginator

          I said it. :-(

  • Knlegend1

    A nexus will never be on my radar with you 16gbs of storage.

  • Bigwavedave25

    Hahaa, the only photos that are correct are for the “setup photos wlan and bt”

  • LanaDelRey

    Is this like a modern light saber?

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Hmmmm I’d rather have the Light Saber.

  • damian Rod

    Umm, can anybody locate the speaker grills?

    • Ian

      Yep, they are on the next iteration of the prototype :)

  • Shagnscooby

    Am I missing something…..where’s the speaker? I guess the front could still have it since the pic is so blurry.

    • Steve B

      Bottom maybe?

    • Ian

      Early prototype

  • a3uge

    Is that notch at the top for an IR blaster? If so, party.

  • Justtyn Hutcheson

    Also:
    Dat camera module 0.0

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Looks better than my Gnex camera module! lol

  • Real Talk

    Your phone can be remotely activated to function as a microphone, even when powered off. The only way to have a guaranteed private conversation is to remove the battery, which you can’t in most smart phones now, thanks to freedom killing corporations like Google making nice with the NSA.

    Also, batteries lose their capacity to charge the more you use them, so I hope you like your domestic surveillance spy phones to be bricks in less than a year.

    • Steve B

      “even when powered off”

      How would they achieve this? Have an NSA person sneak into your house and power it on?

      • http://www.hammertechnologies.net/ Chase Johnson

        Not to encourage Real Talk here but yes gps tracking and some other functions still are enabled when the phones are powered off, only removing the power source prevents this.

        • Steve B

          Didn’t know this. How do they do it?

          • http://www.hammertechnologies.net/ Chase Johnson

            Its not exactly the functionality of normal gps and things. Its like a signal sent to/from the towers. I dont know exactly how it works.

          • Liderc

            This is actually true. My dad is a retired CIA head and we were joking one night about cell phones and being traced and whatnot, and I said “well I’ll just turn it off” and he looked at me like I was an idiot. He later told me they can access pretty much anything with the phone off. If the battery is taken out though it loses it’s charge very quickly and once there’s no residual charge then it can’t be traced.

        • Real Talk

          Microphones can be remotely activated, even when the phone is powered off. Has been true for years. http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html

    • Brian Menius

      The only thing “real” here is your tin foil hat. It’s clear it’s crafted of the finest tin available.

    • Raj Bhatt

      !!

    • joejoe5709

      Dude. Go to another forum. Not here.

  • joejoe5709

    Ah… Kinda disappointed the headphone jack is up top and the bezel is a little larger than expected. Minor things though. Just bring it to Verizon!!

  • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

    Why can’t the Nexus line have larger batteries… I would have loved the 3000mAh batter that’s in the G2

    • Skittlez

      it doesn’t need it since it doesn’t have to worry about skins on top. the 2100 in the Nexus 4 used to last me over a day

      • Eminemz

        You saying a phone doesn’t need as much battery as it could have is like me saying you don’t need anymore money in your wallet because that $50 will suffice you for the day.

        See that flat, pancake looking thing? That’s your logic I just crushed.

  • Andy Stetson

    hoping it’s because it’s a prototype, but it looks THICK! And really? 2300mAh?!? C’mon!

    • Franklin Ramsey

      I don’t know about you, but I like them THICK. Easier to handle and harder to break!

      • http://www.gizmoninja.com/ Tabe

        C’mon man, we’re talking about phones here… =P

        • Franklin Ramsey

          So am I ;)

          • http://www.gizmoninja.com/ Tabe

            Awe, I was hoping you’d play along with me joke! :)

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Well technically that’s what the wink was for. Let’s just say I like my phones like I like my women.

          • http://www.gizmoninja.com/ Tabe

            Well played, sir!

  • OneForTheGoodDays

    Looks like the 4.96″ vs. 5.2″ and virtually no bezel vs. definite is because of the volume rocker and power button… also, anyone think the phone is looking thick?

  • TheWenger

    The bottom chin does seem kinda large for having on-screen buttons. Larger than my G-Nex.

  • WCM3

    I thought the nexus would keep the headphone jack on the bottom like the G2. FAIL, Google.

    • https://twitter.com/paladaxar Paladaxar

      I know headphone jack placement isn’t the biggest deal in the world, but would it be that hard to put one on the top AND another one on the bottom? Yes, it would waste a bit of precious space, but I can imagine that being a cool little feature that would fill a few seconds in an ad as someone moves their headphones from one end to the other to switch to a new activity (like putting their phone in their pocket). That just might sell…and then everyone would be happy because you could use whichever one you prefer :)

      • Butters619

        It would waste a lot of space. The headphone jack actually takes up a significant amount of space in the phone. Plus, they would have to run cables from both headphone jacks for audio/power.

        • https://twitter.com/paladaxar Paladaxar

          Yeah, the port itself would take space, but if it’s a feature that sells (it would be unique at first at least), then it would be worth cramming it in there.

          And cables? I don’t think we speak in terms of cables anymore :) Maybe three extra lines on a PCB, but that would be negligible compared to the rest of the “wires” printed on the mobo.

          • Butters619

            I don’t think 2 headphone jacks is really a feature that sells.

          • Steve B

            I would purposely NOT buy a phone if it had two headphone jacks.

          • Butters619

            Yeah. We make fun of Apple for adding an extra row of icons. I feel people just wouldn’t be able to let down adding a second jack.

          • mx

            “if it’s a feature that sells, then it would be worth cramming it in there.”

            That kind of thinking leads to this:

            http://simpsons.wikia.com/wiki/The_Homer

    • TheRobotCow

      Yes, the whole entire phone is a complete utter failure because the headphone jack is in the wrong spot. What was google thinking?

      • WCM3

        Did i say that? I have a S4 but I miss my galaxy nexus with the bottom headphone port. That’s probably about all i miss with that phone. I’m sure the Nexus 5 will still be popular, and didn’t mean the whole phone was a fail because of it.

        • alex drum

          i have found people really like to misquote things… especially recently on here. idk what this fad is but i hope is passes quickly.

    • Steve B

      Who still uses a headphone jack in 2013? kidding

      • Franklin Ramsey

        I mean, this is sort of a valid point now. Wires are so 2012. Bluetooth FTW!

        • Steve B

          I’m glad you’re on-board.

    • Droidzilla

      The headphone jack on the bottom is a plus for listening to wired headphones while keeping the device in your pants pocket. The headphone jack on the top is a plus for using wired headphones in almost any other situation. It’s not a clear-cut case of one being better than the other. I prefer it on top, you prefer it on bottom; either one gets the job done, though. [insert twss joke here]

      • acras

        I don’t understand why having the jack on the bottom is advantageous for headphone listening with the device in your pocket. My Gnex goes into my pocket equally well up or down, so did my Droid X with the headphone jack at the top. Obviously the jack pointed up on both with headphones in , but does it really matter which way the phone sits in your pocket? Maybe it’s a skinny jeans thing . Not attacking , your post was just the one I picked to ask the question.

  • TheWenger

    Hurry up!

  • NexusPhan69

    Headphone jack on the top. No!!!!!!!!!!

    • capecodcarl

      It’s where it is on all the phones I’ve ever used. My Nexus 7 2012 had it on the bottom for some reason which I always thought was stupid. It is awkward to use headphones when I’m holding it in portrait mode resting on my lap because the headphone cord sticks out and the entire device is at an angle. I wish they would have put the jack at the top. I know the excuse is that some people put their phones in their pocket upside-down, but you don’t put a tablet in your pocket. ;-)

  • mgamerz

    The heck is that thing at the top of the back? It’s a weird notch… looks like a camera hole, but the camera is right next to it.

  • Tim Swann

    this only means something to me if it will work on verizon’s network, which is highly unlikely to be the case given how we all know how well the GNex worked out for us VZ customers.

  • Ian Smith

    when do nexus devices typically launch – October or November?

    • Steve B

      Announced in October, released in November

      • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

        ^^

  • Mario

    yeap!

    • Miguel Angel Portela

      AND it looks like it has a better camera and a better overall build. I love my Nexus 4 but the camera is atrocious. God, I can’t wait.

      • Droidzilla

        I’m just fine with the camera on my Nexus 4. What’s bad about yours? Then again, I’ve never really been impressed with phone cameras outside of Nokia’s Zeiss units (sorry Sony and HTC).

        • Miguel Angel Portela

          It’s just very very bad in low light situations. Even a room that has natural light coming in though windows seems near pitch black or dim and noisy.

    • Rammstein

      Ron Paul’s face is getting annoying and if you’re going to use him at least utilize the gif version.

  • Justtyn Hutcheson

    Any rampant speculation regarding the anomalous black square on the back of the devie near the top?

    Also, the FCC reviewers really needs lessons on how to use a DSLR. I’d say the focus looked locked, but the front shot it focused on the camera reflection rather than the front of the device.

    Photographic woes aside, looks like a nice device. Wondering if they are going Snapdragon 600, or will sneak an 800 in. 600 would keep the costs down, but the 800 would make Nexus fans nut themselves with joygasms.

    • Steve B

      Everything is pointing at SD 800.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        Cool.

        Though I fear the crowing coming from the elitist Nexus phanbois we have around here. They are worse than Apple fans :-(

        • Steve B

          I hear ya. Rumors were pointing to the 600 about a month ago but that was pure speculation based on pricing predictions. We now have semi-concrete documents that point to the 800.

        • NexusPhan69

          600 to 800 is a big jump. We want the 800 because of the always on listening with low power to enable features like the Moto X has. The better LTE integration. Support for miracast. Allows for more camera image processing. The list goes on and on.

          http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/800

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            I know all of that. And honestly, I’m having nerdgasms myself just thinking about it even though I know I could never have it (on Verizon). But I’m not happy when some owners get all high-and-mighty, holier than thou, Jesus phone about it. The same could be said for any fanboi.
            Could it be the most perfect device in existence? Maybe. But that doesn’t mean every other phone (which was labeled as “awesome” three days before) is complete and utter trash.

          • LionStone

            You can get the S800 with the G2 on VZW :-)

          • Justtyn Hutcheson

            Dear God no. I would want to throw it in a wood chipper every time I saw that atrocious logo on the front.

            That, the ridiculous software, and glossy plastic finishes like the one they use destroy any awesomeness that it may have for me.

            No, the very closest to a Nexus on Verizon is an S-OFF/ROMed DNA or a dev edition Moto X (assuming it ever arrives). Note, Nexus as “AOSP software” not this device. This device is ridiculous.

          • LionStone

            Oh yea, now you’re talking…Dev. Ed. Moto X on VZW! Bring it!

    • TheWenger

      FCC docs from last week say 800.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Rampant speculation about the notch? I’m guessing it is a notch that allows the FCC to break the seal to take the back off.

      • Justtyn Hutcheson

        Indeed. Lame attempt at trollbait and hypebeasting. Apparently, I am way too focused on facts and realistic explanations for that to sprout. Oh well.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Well hey, if you want some real speculation, what about an IR Blaster? Maybe Stereo speaker output? The exit hole for the mini blow dart it holds?

          • ostensibly

            telescoping antenna?

          • Franklin Ramsey

            For when we are camping and the NSA needs to track us better?

    • acras

      It’s a lighter

  • Gasaraki

    2300mAh? Please… what crap.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Man the HTC ONE with Sense UI 5 lasts all day on that 2300 MAH. The Stock Version lasts even longer.

      • StuckOnVerizonForever

        Depends if you’re a power user.

        • joseph barrientos

          im a power user who works during the day, so it last me til about 10 pm, but for someone whos using it all day, maybe kitkat
          will increase battery?

          • Guest

            im a power user who watches porn during the day, so it last me til about 11am…

          • StuckOnVerizonForever

            Hopefully. I use it for everything. documents, texts, calls, video, camera, etc. This gnex is killing me. My Note 2 was able to last me all day on 3100.

          • TheDrunkenClam

            http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-ETC-CPK008GSTA-Verizon-Battery-Charger/dp/B006GBU0SO/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1379008156&sr=8-11&keywords=verizon+galaxy+nexus+spare+battery+charger

            There you go..
            I don’t get why people bitch about battery life of Gnex when this is available. I have two fully charged spare batteries with me at all times.. I am never dependent on a charger. I am also never bitching about battery life on a tech website.
            This site kills me… The people who have phones with non removable batteries bitch that the battery is not big enough, or that it’s too big and has too much bulk. The people with removable batteries never utilize spare batteries and bitch about battery life nonstop.

          • RXG9

            I do this as well. I always care around a spare battery with me. My VZW GNex gets 3hrs on screen time (on avg) for each battery. So 6hrs screen time a day :) I’m using two Anker 2200mAh batteries, and Carbon ROM.

          • Skittlez

            i usually get just over an hour of on-screen time with each battery. 1850mah

          • Skittlez

            because some of us don’t like to carry extra batteries. i have the spare battery charger so i can just swap when i need to, since i have a car charger and a charger at work, but we shouldn’t have to swap batteries. this is why we complain. The battery used to last all day, and thats how all phones should be.

    • beaumac

      I wonder if the screen is only 4.7″?

      • http://meatcastle.com/ Youre My Boy Bloo

        Definitely not. If you look at the original leaked image from the KitKat reveal, you can see it is significantly bigger than the 4.7″ 2012 Nexus 4.

        http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Screen-Shot-2013-09-03-at-3.49.16-PM.png

        Most people seem to think it is going to be 5″, but the size difference makes it look like it might even bee slightly larger than that!

        • NexusPhan69
          • NexusPhan69

            To assist.

          • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

            She is also standing further away from the camera. Depth of field probably accounts for that ever so slight increase.

          • acras

            What are the odds that both of them are holding their phones at the same elevation and the exact same plane? Neither one of the phones is even slightly tilted . They must have the bubble level app.

          • NexusPhan69

            Or someone is just really awesome at using microsoft paint to correct the elevation and angle :)

          • acras

            rendering the comparison useless, how do you trust an altered photo ?

          • NexusPhan69

            Do it yourself then. It takes two seconds. It was only so they were in the same plane. The pictures prove it. The FCC documents prove it and it will again be proved when it’s released. Doesn’t matter that you’re not good with perspective and can’t tell immediately that they are the same size. Because they are.

          • acras

            I’m fine with perspective , and reading the information in the FCC filing that says the two are very close in size , matter of a couple mm. if memory serves. What I , and logic are not fine with is saying that an altered picture proves anything. I could photoshop Santa Claus riding a flaming unicorn into that pic , so using your logic that would prove both exist .
            The facts prove the devices are virtually the same size , your doctored picture proves you can use photoshop, that’s all it proves.

          • NexusPhan69

            Clearly you’re not fine with perspective because the picture (the original one from Google) shows as clearly as possible that they are the same size. The microsoft paint picture that I ‘photosohped’ in 20 seconds only has a line showing just how obvious it is. Because apparently there are people that are completely blind.

          • acras

            How do you come up with that conclusion? Because I say that an altered picture can not prove anything, that means I don’t understand perspective? Hell , you don’t even understand basic math, you put ” a line to show how obvious it is” ? So who slipped that other line in there ? Are those parallel lines showing how the two devices are identical in size? Not to someone who is paying attention, because the woman has her phone tilted down several degrees more than the man, which would give the APPEARANCE that the N4 was in fact wider than the new device due to your lines.
            You know what really proves that the N4 and the D820 are the same size? The documentation that was in the FCC filing . Your picture proves only that you can use paint ,and try to pass fiction off as “proof”. Just because you manipulated the image in a way that corresponds to the facts does not make it proof

          • acras

            Yea, I’m an idiot, because doctored pics are ALWAYS used to prove things. Why would you just list the published sizes of the two devices ,131.9 mm x 68.2 mm for the D820 , 133.9 x 68.7 mm for the N4 , when you can be our hero that manipulates pictures then assumes that he smarter than everyone else ? Have someone read this to you so hopefully you understand it , I knew the devices were virtually the same size before your artwork , the ” original” picture ( a screenshot from a forum member not from Google BTW) does on initial appearance give the impression that the D820 is larger, but even without all your help ( moving cameras to level them , adding a line , or two lines , you can’t keep track , how can we?) most of us understood it was a matter of perspective . I never said the D820 was anything but virtually the same size as the N4 , I said your picture was not “proof”. Since you have your panties in a bunch , let me make it up to you . here’s some “proof” that should make you happy . now you have something else to look forward to , maybe Santa will bring you a D820 .

          • Guest

            I’m not even going to read your comment because I’m sure it’s completely illogical. How can you be so asinine? Do you even read your comments? Judging by my up-votes for that “altered” photo, I am in the right and it just makes you sound childish. Looking through your other comments you have nothing of any value to contribute to this site, ever. Congrats. You’re the first person I’ve ever blocked on Disqus. Tool.

        • Butters619

          Well the leaked FCC docs said 4.96″

          As for this picture, it’s not a fair comparison. The man is clearly much closer to the camera so it could just be an optical illusion.

          Plus, if the FCC docs are right, the new Nexus is actually smaller than the Nexus 4 by 2 mm in length and 1/2mm in width.

          • NexusPhan69

            That’s why my lines follow the Nexus 5′s edges. They are not parallel to the ground. That’s what perspective is. I’m not saying it won’t be 5″, I’m just saying the phone sizes are very, very similar. The FCC documents back me up for similar dimensions to the Nexus 4.

          • Butters619

            I was mostly replying to the reader who hinted at it being larger than 5″. The phone is essentially the exact same size as the N4. I just don’t see them cramming much more display in there.

          • NexusPhan69

            Ah, I see now. We were exactly on the same page then. I thought you were saying my picture with the lines was not a fair picture. Sorry.

          • Butters619

            Yeah. I was trying to say what you were able to show.

          • LoganLopez

            Yes, but your picture assumes they are right next to each other and that the phones are at the same angle (The Nexus 4 looks like it is looking more towards the ground than the New Nexus) which i don’t believe they are in either case. If you blew up the picture and just included the phones, it would probably show a bigger difference in size because of this.

          • Butters619

            1) it’s not my picture. You replied to the wrong person.

            2) If the Nexus 4 is tilted to the ground, that would actually means it is LARGER than it appears, which would make it bigger than the new Nexus.

            3) Again, if the FCC doc is right, the new Nexus is essentially the same size as the N4.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Actually the picture assumes one person is in the foreground and one is in the background on the same inclined plane. Since they are both standing on Earth and the phones appear to be held at the same level, with one person in the foreground and one further away from the person taking the picture (IE: Background) the lines of perception drawn are accurate. The Fact the FCC documents state they will be very close in size should have made this fact easily seen, but since people are still arguing it, the picture is making the correct assumptions for validity.

          • palomosan

            Yeah but the bezel is actually smaller than the N4 so the screen is probably almost 5in.

          • Butters619

            That is exactly what I was suggesting. My reply was to the person hinting that it would be larger than a 5″ display.

          • palomosan

            I know, that’s also the point that I’m making.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Probably almost? As in… 4.96 inches? You mean, like it states in the FCC document!

          • mustbepbs

            There’s a picture up top with a ruler, can’t anyone make use of that?

          • Butters619

            Angle is pretty bad.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Why would you need the Ruler? The size is listed in the FCC documents.

          • joejoe5709

            Exactly. Imagine an N4 with a slightly larger screen.

    • Robert Macri

      Why do I keep seeing this? Just because the G2 is 3000? 2300 is the average size for most android phones these days.

      • Ryan Stewart

        And its bigger than the N4s. Mine does just fine.

        Who knows, screen enhancements and processor enhancements have been coming along and battery life has continually improved.

      • batterysrus

        Because some of us have used a phone where you really (no seriously Mr. HTC ONE) NEVER, no matter how much you use it, have to worry about finding a charger ALL day. MAXX…

      • http://www.baldypal.com/ BaldyPal

        Agreed. and there is nothing pointing towards screen resolution yet. could just be 720p instead of 1080p like the G2. and we all know how much of a battery sucker the 1080 is in comparison to 720.

        • LionStone

          How much more does a 1080p screen use than a 720p?

    • Dale

      The iPhone has a tiny battery and has great battery life. Maybe KitKat’s battery life is significantly better. KitKat paired with an S800 could very well stretch 2300mAH a long ways.

      • Franklin Ramsey

        Don’t we always speculate that battery life will be much better with the next version of Android? I remember these statements coming all the way back from 2.3. Yes, it gives slightly better battery life sometimes when you bump up an OS level, but not usually significantly. I wish to be proven wrong from KitKat, but I also just wish they would throw a 3000 mAH battery in them and call it a day.

        • Dale

          Lol I was thinking the same exact thing after I posted that comment. I have a GNex currently so I am going to be thrilled with the battery life on whatever my next phone is! :)

          • joejoe5709

            This. I mean as long as it can hang with the Droid Ultra and the HTC One, I’ll be fine. I’m so used to being near a charger these days anyway. Replaceable battery would be nice though. That’s the only thing that’s saved my GNex. I’m on my third battery.

          • SA_NYC

            I also was thinking exactly the same: blah blah blah, next Android version will be way better for battery life… Nothing fixed the chronic problem for me until I lost my beloved day-long GNex a couple of months ago and picked up a Note 2. Poof, no more battery problems! It’s truly amazing. I often used to carry TWO spares with my GNex; with the Note 2 I bought a spare and have used it exactly zero times. So yes, you’ll love whatever you go to next.

          • Skittlez

            dude, i used to get awesome battery life with the Gnex. 17-20 hours with 1850mah, and then…..4.2 happened. haven’t had good battery since. the life span of the Gnex was done. Still run’s like a champ though on 4.3, just crap battery life.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            I just finally went out and got a hyperion 3500mAH battery for my Gnex. Lasts about a day and a half with normal usage. Also adds a nice heft and thickness to it.

          • Skittlez

            lol tell me about it, i think i just got 5 hours on 1 charge. i’m lucky if i can get 10 hours, not counting the time i’m asleep

      • Butters619

        I wouldn’t say the iPhone gets “great battery life”. I own a One X. My GF owns an iPhone 5. When we go to Disneyland, both of our phones die before we make it back to the car. And actually, in the afternoon we both have to consciously cut back on using our phones in line so the batteries won’t die. Don’t get me wrong, it’s really good for the size battery it has, but it’s not great.

        • GentlemanScholar

          You and your girlfriend go to Disneyland with your kids? Or do adults go to Disneyland by themselves? Serious question as I’ve never been to Disneyland or Disney World.

          • Butters619

            No kids. I’m 24. She’s 22. We bought annual passes in college. Went regularly until just recently. No longer have passes.

        • EdubE24

          I just got rid of my S4 and went back to my iP5. There is a difference in the battery life. Stand by time seems to be the worst for my Android phones. But if I’m pounding on either phone during the day, then yes the battery life seemed to be a little more even. Except game play, the iPhone battery seems to handle it a bit better! And I never worry about the screen brightness with the iPhone, compared to the S4, which I would leave at around 70 percent to help out.

          • Butters619

            Samsung phones seem to have the work performance to battery size of any Android phones. Again, my One X does great in standby.

      • StuckOnVerizonForever

        Lol because iPhones are simple.

      • Liderc

        Everyone I know that has the 5 says it has terrible battery life.

        • cheese

          Then they don’t know how to use their iPhone 5. My wife is using her iPhone 5, power user might I add. It lasts her for a day and a half after heavy usage. Lots of gaming too might I add, like Candy Crush, constant instagram/facebook/pinterest/web. The iPhone 5 has good battery life.

          Personally I’m on the VZW Gnex, anxiously awaiting for the Nexus 5 arrival, and switching from Verizon to T-Mobile.

        • LionStone

          Yep, my buddy had to buy a Mophie battery case and now you can’t even tell what kind of phone it is :-)

    • Pakmann2k

      I dont think that is the final battery. That battery does not seem to fit in the bay all that well. There is clearly too much space in there. Thinking this is just something they put in there to send to the FCC.

    • Skittlez

      my nexus 4 with 2100mah would last me over a day with over 3 hours of on-screen time

  • Vikinglifeguard

    Love it.

    But what is on the top of the back by the headphone jack? The little rectangle there.

    • Steve B

      Looks like a notch for the FCC to be able to pry the back off. This is most definitely pre-release.

    • ChrisI

      That’s the reflection of the camera lens the picture is being taken with.

  • Greg Morgan

    I love the new Nexus 7 look and feel and since this is similar looking, i like it.

  • calum wilper

    better looking than the G2

  • Raj Bhatt

    It’s strange because we know that the VS980 is the Verizon G2, but suddenly WITHIN the FCC filing for the VS980 there are these random Nexus images. They are listed as a “Class II permissive change” but in the same section, there is a VZW manual for the G2 as well as pics of “test setup” showing the buttons on the back center of the device.

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      It’s a filing for the G2, with the wrong images posted, that’s it. Don’t look at this as being a chance that Verizon gets the Nexus. :P

      Also, I have the Verizon G2 in hand and it looks nothing like this, I promise. :)

      • Franklin Ramsey

        I think what they are hopeful for is that a permissive change happens with the filing for the d820 and they decide to add an LTE band for a Big Red Carrier.

      • Raj Bhatt

        Agreed, but in the same section as these Nexus pics, if you click the “Test Setup” pics you’ll see the VZW G2 that you showed us yesterday.

        I think you’re right, they accidentally put the wrong pics in this G2 filing.

      • MikeCiggy

        dream killer…

    • Steve B

      Google smokescreen? Are they secretly trying to release a Verizon Nexus?

      • Ian Smith

        why would they even bother?

        • Steve B

          I was kidding. Not a chance in hell Verizon gets a Nexus this year.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Well, there is a chance in Hell. The Devil obviously has a deal struck with Verizon. Here on Earth though, I don’t see this happening.

  • TheRobotCow

    Looks pretty good.

  • Ron_Swanson

    Why so much wasted space on the front of the device?

    • Steve B

      Uh oh, don’t get Tim242 started…

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      /s?

    • Skittlez

      it’s the same amount as the G2. it just doesn’t look like it because of the LG logo on the front of the G2

  • Jarred Sutherland

    I would love to pick one of these up when released. While I like my GS4, having a full Nexus device again would be great.

  • Techneval

    Talk about a generic design. I think I like it (that may just be because it’s a nexus though)

  • Ej McCarty

    This obviously means nexus 5 on Verizon!!! Haha. Guess my moto x is going back :P

    • Steve B

      In your dreams

      • Ej McCarty

        Calm down. It was a joke bro.

  • sean.yesmunt

    Removable back?

    • Steve B

      No

      • sean.yesmunt

        In the second picture it sure looks like it.

        • Steve B

          The final picture suggests otherwise. It appears that the back is notched at the top so the FCC could pry the back off of an otherwise sealed device? Maybe, not sure.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          I don’t know where you are seeing that, but the FCC tears phones apart. The shot where the back is off doesn’t mean it has a removable back, just that the FCC opened the phone.

    • Lucas Johnson

      It does seem so. Which would almost certainly mean it’s not a nexus. Unless Google had a change of heart…

    • mgamerz

      Doubtful. The way the battery is strapped in makes it looks like it won’t. The pins on the back plate are typical LG, I have one with a removable back and it has those pins. The back has to be off so you can stuff the stuff inside, then I assume its sealed shut.

    • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

      The article states this is common so the FCC can see the contents, and as this is obviously not a finished chassis the chances of it having a removable back are slim.

  • DanP

    A little too much bottom bezel I think.

    • Dale

      Let’s hope that is space for some kind of new sensor. I imagine it is space well used…

      • DanP

        I hope it is. It seems bigger than the nexus 4, or my galaxy nexus.

        the galaxy s4 uses the WHOLE device, thats what I like to see, no un-used space.

      • TheWenger

        Invisible fingerprint scanner!

    • Rob Delaney

      LED indicator. But you are right, even for that, a little too much bottom bezel

      • Carlos Lopez

        Maybe but if you look closely it looks like the led is centered in the top bezel

        • zurginator

          That’s probably the camera – the LED of Nexus devices isn’t visible unless it’s on.

          • Carlos Lopez

            I thought that too but the camera is on the left side of the bezel

          • zurginator

            Indeed – after consulting the G2 (remove the logo and you have this), it needs to be the speaker… But it seems to be circular, and that’s kinda strange.

    • http://jordanhotmann.com/ Jordan Hotmann

      Top bezel looks smaller than the current Nexus 4, bottom bezel looks about the same. While I don’t utilize it often, it is handy when holding the phone in landscape.

    • James_75

      That’s for the capacitive buttons….. I kid, I kid… :-)

    • NexusPhan69

      I know Kellex pointed out that the FCC has to dig under the hood on new phones but, that back has clips looking very similar to the Galaxy Nexus. No chance right?

      • Franklin Ramsey

        Most electronic devices have those little clips to help hold a plate in place. Sadly, it doesn’t make it removable. I hope it does, but I won’t count on it.

        • NexusPhan69

          Ya. I realized that’s probably why the notch on top is there. Because that’s the only way to get the back off otherwise. Oh well. It’s clearly an integrated battery anyway so why even bother with a removable back.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Didn’t mean to rain on the parade. I wish it had a removable back/battery too.

          • NexusPhan69

            My parade just got some sun. I thought it was a lot of bezel but check this out. It makes the Nexus 4 seems like like it has a tiny screen and massive bezel. Yes!!!

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Honestly, it looks like it has about as much bezel as the gnex.

          • NexusPhan69

            Sarcasm?

          • GentlemanScholar

            The bottom bezel on the gnex is pretty small, but that top bezel…

          • NexusPhan69

            And the sides too. The bezel on the sides of the new Nexus are almost non-existent.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Not really, I was looking at my Gnex here on the desk and it doesn’t look like it has near as much bezel as that photo says it does… I guess old age is starting to throw my perception off.

          • NexusPhan69

            I think it’s because the galaxy nexus small bezels were amazing 2 years ago when it was released. And that new phones like the moto x and g2 we see in pictures every day but don’t realize just how tiny they are in your hand. I love technology.

          • Elliot Kotis

            HOLY CRAP! It is bezelless compared to the N4, how about the Moto X?
            v that is a mock up.

        • jamdev12

          I have my Nexus 7 2012 screen break recently. Either replace the screen assembly myself, choose to take it some where to get it fixed, or throw it away and buy a 2013 model. I chose to do the work myself and in less than 30 minutes I had a new screen working without issues on my Nexus. Bottom line is, if you need to replace any of these components on these devices they are pretty darn easy. What’s even better is that you have people on YouTube posting videos of step by step instructions of how to do it right and safely without damaging your device. So sure, bring on the non removable battery. When it no longer holds a charge I’ll buy one on eBay and install it myself in 15 minutes.

      • Brian Menius

        Noticed that as well…

        Let’s hope that this is a sign that LG will be “permanently” attaching a removable back to the phone. Obviously that design has no screws holding it onto the phone, so if it’s really just tabs and glue, we should be able to employ the tour de force and remove the back to replace the battery. Sure, you’ll break the back, but who cares- I’m sure replacement backs will be plentiful eventually.

    • Justtyn Hutcheson

      Just not symmetrical, so the bottom appears larger. It is probably not any larger than the Nexus 4 at the bottom.

  • litobirdy

    blah dammit, i’m so used to charger and heapdphone port on same side

  • Guest

    Here’s the internal photos of the device: https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2041382

    • Mort

      “You are not authorized to access this page.”

      • zurginator

        Just look at whatever gets published on the G2 – this will use the exact same Motherboard, Layout, etc. You can tell just by looking at the front of both devices – same proportions, etc. Also the N4 had the same internal components as the Optimus G.

  • viewthis66

    too much chin for not having physical buttons? weird…

    • Liderc

      Have to have some chin, as your thumb naturally rests a bit higher than where the bottom of the device rests in hand.

      • viewthis66

        some chin, yes, but that’s not my point. to me, why not make it the same size as the forehead (not sure what to call the top part, seemed appropriate)?

        • zurginator

          Because they had additional components to slide in (in this case the rear speaker is probably the limiting factor).

  • Steve B

    Beautiful

    • zurginator

      Heh, I don’t like the rear camera myself – it wouldn’t be too bad, but the size of the LED vs the size of the ring just makes it look comical.

      • Steve B

        It’s also not final hardware.

        • zurginator

          That seems to be an integral part of the design, I’m willing to bet $100 it won’t change (would cover my replacement N4 :P ).

          • Steve B

            You’re probably right. It’s a buy for me either way so it doesn’t really matter.

      • Elliot Kotis

        Compared to the 1020, Note 3 and Z1?

        • zurginator

          1) It’s absurdly massive compared to the Note 3 and Z1.
          2) The 1020 doesn’t really count because the LED is inside the big circle (and it’s just generally a better design, if a bit awkward).
          3) It would help if the camera was centered like the 2 listed (automatically makes it more pleasing).
          4) Both the Note 3 and the 1020 have an additional material surrounding both the LED and the Camera, working to pass both off as a single component – once again proper design work.