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LG Nexus 5 Round-up: A Beautiful Render, Plus Everything We Know

LG Nexus 5 mockup

Of course, as I’m on a plane back from New York, the LG Nexus 5 floodgates open with fury thanks to an FCC filing that outed more details than I think Google would have liked them to. So now that I’m all caught up on everything, it’s time for a recap, since there seems to be some confusion, especially around whether or not this bad boy will work on Verizon. This is what we’re pretty sure we know thus far. 

First, a huge thanks to @epicrivas for the render at the top of the post. While that’s not official, we know that the device does look similar, thanks to a quickly pulled Google Kit Kat unveiling video. For now, this is about as clean as it gets in terms of a look at the new Nexus. While it may be another mega-black slab, it does look minimal and sexy. Mmhmm.

LG Nexus 5

Ok, so we first reported that the codename for the device was going to be “hammerhead” last week. That report is now confirmed to have been spot on, as the FCC filing revealed the name in a software build that also referenced the name Key Lime Pie. Key Lime Pie was likely an early build of Android 4.4 before the name change to Kit Kat, so don’t look into that much. If anything, it just proves that the move to Kit Kat was fairly recent and that KLP was in line to be the name for some time.

Sources of ours had previously indicated that this launch would be more of a new “Nexus 4″ than a Nexus 5. But with a 5” display, that could obviously change.

We know that the model number is D820. For reference, the LG G2, which is said to be the base for this new Nexus, carries model number D802. Seems like a natural step in model number progression.


  • Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 (M8974A)
  • 4.96″ display
  • 2300mAh battery
  • NFC
  • Wireless charging
  • 802.11a/b/g/n/ac WiFi
  • Bluetooth 4.0

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In terms of connectivity (the important stuff to Verizon customers), we are looking at a GSM/CDMA device that can also connect to a variety of LTE bands. Unfortunately, this does not look like a Verizon-compatible device, as much as we all hope that it will be, the chances are pretty slim. The FCC filing shows GSM and WCDMA, meaning it should work fine on both T-Mobile and AT&T in terms of 3G. Verizon, as you know, runs its 3G network on CDMA, which is also present here in bands 0, 1, and 10. Now, the tests show CDMA frequencies in the 800MHz and 1900MHz ranges, but those could be for Sprint. Verizon does run its CDMA network in those ranges, so yes, there is a bit of hope.

In terms of LTE, we’re looking at bands 2, 4, 5, 17, 25, 26, and 41. Notice anything missing? That would be band 13, the LTE frequency that Verizon currently runs its entire LTE network on. Now, you will notice a band 4 in there, which will eventually host Verizon’s AWS LTE spectrum, and should rollout later this year. Problem is, Verizon only plans to launch 5,000 sites with AWS connectivity by the end of the year, which is not exactly covering much of the country. So even if Verizon decides to allow the new Nexus access to its CDMA network, the phone wouldn’t even have full LTE coverage throughout the country. Can you really envision a situation where Verizon, who is as anal as it gets about experience on its network, is going to allow a phone to barely work on only a portion of its network?

I hate to squash dreams, but no band 13 is not a good sign. Remember, with CDMA, Verizon gets to decide who connects to their network – this could be a case where they said, “No thanks, and please don’t use our LTE either.”

“But what if it’s an LTE-only device?” you ask? Could be, but again, Verizon is only deploying 5,000 AWS sites by the end of this year. They will continue to rollout more next year of course, and will also include the AWS frequency in phones by the end of the year, I just don’t think this Nexus is making the cut. After all, it’s still a phone that needs to make calls, something it wouldn’t be able to do if it couldn’t also connect to Verizon’s CDMA network.

The phone will work just fine on Sprint (bands 25 and 26), T-Mobile (band 4), and AT&T (band 17) LTE networks.

Exciting stuff (if you aren’t a Verizon customer). We are hearing from sources that late October could be the big reveal.

Update:  The FCC screwed up and posted a handful of pictures of the device to an LG G2 filing. While the device pictured is clearly an early prototype, it gives us a clear shot of what we can expect in terms of styling for the next Nexus.

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  • I’d probably get a Note 3 anyway

  • Patrick Bateman

    Im still rocking a Palm Pre 2….I NEED THIS PHONE!!!!

    • bobfrea

      i don’t think you can say rocking and Palm in the same sentence, eh?

  • landshark535

    So, no (current) Verizon support and I am going to take a shot in the dark assuming that there will be no SD card support. Google, why won’t you let me love you?

    • duckmanbill

      The lack of Verizon support is more likely down to Verizon saying no. Lack of SD card is because Google want you to use Drive instead, so they can hand over your data to the NSA.

  • Guest

    This is my nexus 5 design

  • n11

    I just jumped to a Moto X and so far love it. A few quirks with voice stuff when you have a password system in place, but other than that I love it.

  • sholtkamp

    2300 mAh. not good enough battery life for me.

    • Skittlez

      well, the nexus 4 had a 2100mah battery, and i would always get 23 hours or more out of it. most i got was 1 day and 15 hours

  • I’m sad to admit I’m a little disappointed by the 5″ screen. After seeing the HTC One (and upcoming leaked One max), I was really jonesing for a 6″ Nexus. May just have the One Max and root it.

    • socarwolverine

      Those big screens are still a niche market, more important to go for mass appeal I would think.

  • joejoe5709

    Okay so correct me if I’m wrong and please don’t flame me too much for wishful thinking…

    But the LG Optimus G was not on Verizon which *might* partially explain why the Nexus4 never made it to Verizon. The LG G2 will be launched on Verizon next week. Sooooo technically IF Google and/or Verizon wished to do so, it shouldn’t be too hard to make a Verizon friendly Nexus5. Granted that’s a pretty big “IF”, but it’s possible. Not only that, Verizon apparently has an exclusive Qi charging G2 which sounds a lot more like Nexus material.

    • duckmanbill

      Read the article, there won’t even be 3G Verizon Nexus 5. With CDMA, Verizon get to control who connects, and it seems they said ‘no’. Also, if you are grandfathered into unlimited data, I would recommend against a 3G-only phone, since Verizon is allowed to throttle you on 3G, but not on LTE.

      • joejoe5709

        I read the article very carefully. I didn’t read anything that was completely damning a Verizon Nexus and I’m merely expressing my opinion. I’m not trying to influence anyone into thinking it’s fact.

        I know it looks bad right now, but I’m just saying there’s still room for reasonable doubt and even though it’s slim I’m still holding the smallest amount of hope for a Verizon Nexus.

        • duckmanbill

          Well, with today’s news, this filing might not even be for the Nexus 5. So there’s still some hope.

  • Skittlez

    so, if i got this on T-Mobile, it would have LTE. would it fall back to HSPA+ if LTE wasn’t available?

    • czaplin


  • droidrazredge

    so does this mean that speculation of the refreshed 2013 version of the Nexus 4 made by Motorola is not going to happen now ? and that we’ll just be getting a Nexus 5 made by LG. Or could there still be a possibility of two Nexus phone being released this fall?

  • joejoe5709

    Big Red better “leak” some info if they intend on having a version of this. Or something along the lines of a Nexus (not the Moto X). Or else they’re going to have a little drop in their renewals.

    • Richard Jackson

      What leak are you talking about?

      • David Nguyen

        Like you know… Possible leak of a registration page for the N5 or a Verizon Logo on the N5.

        • Richard Jackson

          Ignore me I’m running on 3 hours sleep and reading comprehensions goes out the window when that happens.

          • joejoe5709

            It’s all good. Sorry it was weirdly worded. Just saying that if Verizon is able, we’d appreciate a glimmer of hope.

  • KB

    The day this comes out is the day I give Verizon their parting gift of my ETF.

  • Bootleg Zani

    Is this going to be another weak 16 GB only phone since we already know Google doesn’t put SD card slots on Nexus devices? 16 GBs is not enough EVER!

    • Robert Landrum

      16GB is more than enough. I’ve always managed to have at least 7-8 gigs left over. But I also use Mp3 players for music instead of my phone.

  • Tony Sausage

    I’d hit that butterface on the right so hard. Your right, not the injun.

    • ToddAwesome

      She looks like an uglier version of Kendra Wilkinson, which is to say, yes, I would.

  • Cory Wilson

    I like the soft touch plastic, hope the real one comes out with that. Never have been crazy about the glass on my nexus 4, especially now that I’ve had it for 9 months and it’s picked up a bunch of little scratches all over it. The glass looks nice, but it scratches easily and from what I’ve seen, breaks easily too. And the camera us completely behind that glass so depending on how you shatter it, you might loose camera functionality. But they made sure to protect the flash! I think Google had a few shots before they designed the back of the nexus 4

    • Steve B

      I know, the glass looks amazing but I don’t want it for durability reasons. Love the idea of a durable. soft touch plastic.

  • Alexander Garcia


  • Jake

    When this comes out I’ll pick one up for a first-hand test T-Mobile’s network in the places that I live and work. I would have done the same with the N4, but I want to try their 4G without having to hack hybrid radios or anything like that. If I’m satisfied with T-Mo, then I’ll consider leaving Verizon (me, my wife, and entire family). We’re grandfathered in with unlimited, but it’s no longer worth it if I can’t get the phones I want. Besides, at home VZW’s LTE is atrocious; I keep jumping between LTE and 3G. Maybe it’s the horrible radio on the GNex.

    • socarwolverine

      Same thing I plan on doing, but you’ll prolly want to try another VZW phone before decrying their network. The VZW GNex radios are notoriously awful.

    • joejoe5709

      Really? I’ve been pretty good ever since 4.2.2 or whenever it was they updated the radios. The handoff is much better and I’m almost always on 4G whenever it’s available.

    • Cory Wilson

      Yeah from my understanding the gnex lte radios are terrible, as is everything that doesn’t have a snapdragon

  • Collin Chapin


  • beng8686

    I can’t believe Google can’t figure out a way to give EVERYONE a shot at it’s nexus devices. Singling out Verizon is getting a bit old.

    • ManBearPig618

      Who knows why it goes down the way it goes down though. I’m willing to bet blame falls on Big Red.

    • Alexander Garcia

      After the Galaxy Nexus drama, Google pretty much gave up on ol’ Big Red.

    • Steve B

      Google isn’t singling out Verizon. Verizon is singling themselves out with their legacy cdma network.

      • bobfrea

        how is their legacy cdma different than sprint’s? its not cdma that’s the problem, its verizon.

    • PhillipCun

      Know your facts first before you blame Google. It’s Verizon who ruins the Nexus program. Google gave them a shot with the GNex and they ruined it.

    • The Phenom

      The blame lies with Verizon not Google just like with the Moto X. Mobile won’t carry it in store availible only on the web direct from Motorola. Blame lies with T-Mobile not having it in store not Motorola.

  • buddyruff777

    I’m on ATT unlimited so this great news. Please put the same lg g2 camera and big battery in this one Google.

  • joejoe5709

    Not a bad render! Very nice!

    Man… if this or at least some sort of a Nexus (supposed Moto Nexus) doesn’t make it to VZW, I’m not sure what I’m going to do… I really really don’t want to jump ship but my decision will be very very difficult. If that’s the case I might just hold onto my Galaxy Nexus for as long as I possibly can and wait for Advanced LTE whenever that comes to my town. I hear that Google might be okay with those bands.

    Is there any chance that this is the global version of the Nexus5 and there will be Verizon specific one not sold through Google Play? (Similar to how the Gnex was handled – I know it wasn’t optimal but I’d still take another gimped Nexus over anything else on the market.)

    • beng8686

      I agree with everything you just said. I’m in the same boat.

      • joejoe5709

        Thanks. Are you listening Google and/or Verizon?

        Gimped, slow update Nexus still beats no Nexus at all. Hell I’d even take a Verizon Nexus without LTE. I don’t care if there’s no SD card slot. I don’t care if it has 16GB (8 is a deal breaker though…) I really don’t care. I just want to remain a part of an ecosystem that thankfully kept my poor little GNex as one of the top phones for enthusiasts for TWO WHOLE YEARS. Please and thank you.

  • p0k3y

    57 days before my VZW stranglehold ends. Just perfect for N5. I can’t care less if it doesn’t work on VZW!

    • Reginald Jefferson

      Mine ends in 20 days although I may end up renewing since the gf wants an S4

      • The Phenom

        You can get a S4 anywhere I would price compare and check coverage if not you are locked in for another 2 years with ETF.

        • Reginald Jefferson

          Believe me I’m aware of the consequences *shudder* but T-Mobile sucks in half the areas I frequent so that’s out. Sprint is just as bad if not worse. My options at this point are VZW and AT&T unless I decide to go with a device payment plan (in store version not the edge plan). Being locked in again won’t bother me too much (I hope) since I can upgrade at anytime by visiting ebay. Just gotta weigh all options.

  • chris420o

    i wish there was enough of us verizon android enthusiast to protest and actually put some fear in verizon….but theyd just laugh n brush us off

    • socarwolverine

      For every one of us, there are a dozen people who don’t understand the difference or benefit of the Nexus line versus any other android phone.

  • chris420o

    Maybe verizon is getting the exclusive moto nexus woo!….i can dream cant i?

    • PPC

      Doubt it, the Galaxy Nexus thing went over terribly. I don’t see why anyone would want an Android phone on Verizon. They micro manage so much, you are always MONTHS behind the curve

    • joejoe5709

      It’s a possibility even if it is a slim possibility. I’d prefer a Nexus5 and all its glory. But I’d take a Moto X Nexus on Verizon. Granted, the specs aren’t a heck of a lot more than my GNex but I’d still take it and love it.

  • The Phenom

    Big Red customers given the old Stone Cold middle finger salute yet again.

  • Walter Partlo

    So, it seems that this phone will deviate from the G2 base more than expected. Any chance that there will be an OLED display so that we can have active notifications?

    • Not sure I’ve seen an LG device with an OLED display. Would kind of doubt it. LG and HTC love their LCDs.

      • Walter Partlo

        Yeah, it was a bit of a dream, especially since LG does own a display business.

  • Shadowstare

    As a person who has always wanted a Nexus phone and a Verizon customer, It makes me sad that those two companies can’t agree to release another phone with the carrier. I mean come on, the compromise can’t be that hard. All Verizon has to do is allow Google to update the phone un-interrupted. Google, just let Verizon put some removable Verizon bloat preloaded and a brand somewhere on the back. Call it a Droid Nexus and release the darn thing. Is that so hard?

    • chris420o


      I like this idea…even with the bloat who gives a flying f and GIVE US A DAMN NEXUS

      • joejoe5709

        Agreed. Throw all the bloat on it you want. As long as I can put a custom Android ROM on it, I don’t care if run iOS7 out of the box.

    • PPC

      Google shouldn’t let Verizon dictate anything. That’s the problem we have today with phone releases. Manufacturers are giving in too much to carriers and we are stuck with narrowed selections because of it. It should be, Hey Sprint, T-Mobile, AT&T and Verizon here is my phone take it or leave it. Is that realistic no, but should it be that way YES. If they want an exclusive, have a carrier contract a OEM to make their own line like Verizon does with the Droid. I am so sick of these carrier exclusives with phones, colors and options.

      • vzwscks

        Google does say here is is take or leave it and VZW leaves it. That is why we are mad.

        • Shadowstare

          Google just started with the take it or leave it posture. They were pretty easy going before, but Verizon REALLY screwed them over with the Galaxy Nexus (that’s why the updates were always SUPER delayed, once Google released an update, Verizon spent another 6 months testing it before it actually made it to the customers). It ruined the user experience that users were expecting when they bought a Nexus device. So now, Google is extra protective over their Nexus devices.

      • Jeff Martin

        Realistically only Apple can pull that off. If they want to sell the iphone, they take it how Apple gives it. The HUGE variety of Android phones is both a blessing and a curse. If Google demands too much, sell a Samsung, or HTC, or Motorola, or LG, or . . .

    • Jeff Martin

      I am torn. I bought a BZW Galaxy Nexus on launch day. I now use the Shiny ROM to keep up to date, but it looks like VZW won’t eve have the ability to offer me a Nexus. I refuse to buy a locked down phone with Touchwiz again. (I owned a Droid Charge). I may have to leave to At&T and just give up my unlimited data when my Galaxy Nexus finally dies. In our area, rural midwest, VZW has superior coverage. I guess I have a hard time accepting why VZW needs to control or lock down my phone.

      • Shadowstare

        I have no clue why Verizon wants to lock down all the phones on their network. I asked Verizon twitter why can’t we (the customers) unlock our bootloaders, they said it would void our warranty. Which makes no sense because if you pay extra for an extended warranty, Verizon doesn’t fix a damaged phone, Asurion replaces it. And Asurion doesn’t care if the bootloader is locked or not. You’ll have a new device LONG before they ever receive the broken one. So that claim is crap.

        I just wish Verizon would let mobile technology enthusiasts use their phones as they see fit and release the stranglehold over their devices.

    • joejoe5709

      I really really could care less how Verizon keeps their Nexus updates as long as the dev community is strong. Half the time I forgot what version the phone was actually on until DL told us that we were technically three updates behind.

      I. Just. Want. A. Damn. Verizon. Nexus. I don’t care how. Just do it.

  • ConCal

    So excited its going to Sprint!

  • E A butler

    no 32 gb version , no deal!!!!

    • PPC

      Unlimited data plus box or drop box my friend. I think physical storage is slowly being not as important with all the cloud based storage options available. I love Google+ just for this reason.

      • E A butler

        between apps and podcasts 16gb ain’t cutting it…. I have learned to accept the fact that my music lives in the cloud now and I don’t need 20gigs of music on an SD card, but I need my apps and podcasts.

      • bobfrea

        my gnex 32gb storage data was copied from an SD from my nexus one, which got copied from SD from before that. point is, if the next phone is <= 32gb it will force me to finally cleanup the garage. 🙂 so much space has left things a bit unorganized. i do like the idea of being able to carry stuff locally, but if I had unlimited data (by moving to T-Mobile) i might be interested in using both local and remote storage.

  • mustbepbs

    “Unfortunately, this does not look like a Verizon-compatible device”

    (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

  • ChrisI

    “2300mah, embedded to device”….gawd f*cking [email protected] Google. Won’t even give me the option to modify to extended if I want. I’ll glady give up stupid wireless charging so I can use a battery that lasts a full day. I’m going to pull my hair out if they don’t give me a 32gb option or AT LEAST an SD card slot. I cannot stand technology weaknesses like this.

    • acras

      if you are looking for a SD card on a Nexus , start pulling.

  • vincent scala

    as far as the battery the software might be optimized for performance and battery life remember they said that 4.4 was something that everyone could enjoy. this could mean that we may see 4.3 on older or lower end devices which could suggest that the software doesn’t need a powerful processor and that for the N5 the hardware and software are tweaked to drain less life out of the battery

  • Kyle Cordiano

    Gorgeous concept.

  • Ed Williams

    This doesn’t excite me enough to stick with the Nexus brand. I said I’d never go back to skinned phones, but the Note 3 is a pretty impressive phone. I like the details of the back (stitched faux leather) to make it feel like an actual notepad. Great features, too.

  • dp917

    2300 battery? The G2 has 3000, would have hoped for more around that range.

    • PPC

      Size doesn’t always matter…..that’s what she said Lol. I wouldn’t get too freaked out over the battery size just yet. I hear the Moto X is getting good battery life and its battery isn’t big.

      • joejoe5709

        Well… if it were at least on par with the S4 that would have been nice. 2300 is a smidge low, really. But I’d still buy it. Hell with the GNex I’m practically tied to a charging cord at all times anyway.

    • Skittlez

      i had the Nexus 4 which had a 2100mah battery, and that thing would last me over a day. 1 day, 15 hours was the most. Nexus usually get good battery life.

  • I want to switch to T-Mobile so bad. They get most of the good phones and their prices are better, but they just don’t have the coverage I need.

  • Leo Finn

    I dropped Verizon last year when I got sick of paying 140 bucks + a month for 2 active lines and 2 dumb lines with military discount and they wouldn’t cancel one of my lines when the line was supposed to be up. They didn’t tell me and I did ask before hand that if I suspend my line on military leave would it continue to count and they said it would. So I bought the Nexus 4 and have the tmobile $30 line with unlimited data and I love it. Sure service can be spotty and yeah I do sometimes miss this burst data transfer of Verizon lte but you know what it was well worth it. Sometimes I do go over my 100 minutes and spend 40 a month but Meh.

  • Bob G
    • Turb0wned

      That is sexy. But damn LG…. I really hate LG.

      • Ron

        Why?! LG is only bad in software, but this is Nexus 🙂

      • Skittlez

        i don’t usually like LG either, but the Nexus 4 is still my favorite phone ever. i’ll take it over anything. amazing experience

    • joejoe5709

      Oooooo that is better. Headphone jack on the top? I hope not. That drives me insane.

      • jimv1983

        You DON’T want the headphone jack on the top? Where would you rather have it? The bottom like the iPhone? That’s just ridiculous.

      • grumpyfuzz

        Android devices cannot have the headphone jack on the bottom because Apple would sue them in a heartbeat.


      This is beautiful but I really can’t handle a phone bigger than my Nexus 4

  • Rich Nahra

    Loyal Nexus user here. BUT, I’m a little pissed about the tiny battery especially considering the size of the display. I want to believe that the optimized OS and lower wattage processor and more efficient display technology would make the phone last a whole day, but it won’t. The number one requirement for my next phone is long battery life. So, it’s looking like the Maxx unless something better comes out between now and Mid Jan 2014 when my contract is up.

    • Elliot Kotis

      I don’t believe for one second that a phone that is based on the LG G2 will have a smaller battery. They did this with the Moto X, they said a 1500mAH and it turned out to be much higher.

      • Rich Nahra

        I hope you’re right, Elliot.

    • Jimmyjammer

      True, I was hoping for the same 3,000mah battery found in the lg g2.

      Maybe we’ll be pleasantly surprised when it’s officially announced.

  • Elliot Kotis

    2300mAH Battery, nope.

  • Philip A. Kaiser

    Wish it had a little more bezel… /s

  • Daeshaun Griffiths

    Just give me kit kat and more commands on the moto x. And if its not too much to ask for a camera update.

  • DreamSTi

    Switching providers for a phone is the dumbest thing I’ve heard of.

  • Daniel

    REALLY hope they make a Verizon version of this

    • Dorian Brooks

      -Said no one ever once they remember the GNex.

    • The Phenom

      You may get lucky but I just don’t see it happening.

  • fanboy1974

    Verizon can kiss my fat a$$. I’m tired of their bull$hit. I have 2 lines up this year and next year I will be free. Buying the Nexus 5 and jumping on prepaid as soon as this is announced. Sure coverage will not be as good but at least I get a unlocked Nexus 5 and my bill will be much cheaper.

  • Just looked at pricing for ATT plan. Sorry, if the nexus 5 isnt on VZW I’m not switching carriers. Too damn expensive. I pay $60 a month currently for unlimited data and 450 minutes (not sure how much i barely use my minutes) and I constantly use over 5 GB


    • d-rock

      AIO is $70 for unlimited talk/text and 7GB data….I think i’ll be going with this option as it’s AT&T’s network.

      • ChrisI

        Why would AT&T have a subsidiary using the exact same network as their AT&T name but for less than AT&T’s pricing?

        • d-rock

          AT&T is a labor union company. Their personnel costs are huge. If they can get $70/month out of their prepaid market running on much less overhead, I see the advantage.

        • acras

          prepaid market , like the gophone they have had forever. Just rebranding and probably doing away with gophone

        • tyguy829

          throttled to 8mbps max on LTE

    • Jim Davis

      Look into switching to AIO wireless. That’s what I’m doing when my VZW contract ends. AIO is open to the entire U.S. starting in September.

    • joejoe5709

      Same boat. The other carriers really aren’t that much cheaper (sometimes more expensive) and it’s not worth leaving Verizon just because I didn’t get the phone I wanted. Like I said elsewhere, I’ll wait for LTE Advanced and see what phones are out then.

  • joseph barrientos

    haha holy crap, everyones leaving big red! i just did back in june for sprint (lte finally coming in my area), it kinda sucks but its better than verizon.

  • MacNificent

    Been on Verizon since 94. I bet as soon as we all jump ship and leave… They will update their towers and start carrying the phones that we all want.
    The devil never plays fair.. Watch!

    • Tim242

      Update their towers? The issue is the bands in the phone. All other phones work just fine on their towers.

      • MacNificent

        whatever it is.. It needs to be done now!

  • Dan Bonebright

    So “an amazing Android experience available for everybody” was too good to be true…

  • AxemRed

    I didn’t expect a Nexus on Verizon this year. Verizon isn’t ready for LTE-only yet. I’m hoping for one next year though.

    • Tim242

      What does LTE only have to do with anything? The phone has CDMA radios in it. It just doesn’t have all of Verizon’s LTE bands.

      • Bryan

        LTE only has to do with this: Once Verizon can have LTE only phones, their stranglehold on the hardware will be gone. Anyone will be able to make an LTE phone and run it on Verizon’s network. That’s what they meant.

        • Tim242

          But, Verizon can still dictate what phones they allow on their network. I hope your prediction is right though.

          • EC8CH

            Theory is that the terms of their 4G spectrum prevents them from dictating what phones are allowed on their network, however their CDMA spectrum allows them to do so. Eliminate the need for a CMDA radio and boom… carrier unlocked LTE only phones should be possible on Verizon…. we shall see in a year or two I guess.

          • Bryan

            This is exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for clarifying it.

          • tyguy829

            nope. they can only dictate which phones run on their network because of CDMA. Once cdma is gone and voLTE rolls out, they have no say at all. pop in a sim and go

        • Jonathan Isenberg

          That’s not entirely true. Manufacturers can lock down their LTE radio by LTE.

          So even if it says that it has LTE, doesn’t necessarily mean that it work on everything.

          Case in point: The nexus 5 is missing band 13 from it’s FCC filing.
          (Also EvDO, but still….)

          • Bryan

            Of course manufacturers don’t have to make them. But due to the licensing agreement that Verizon signed when buying the spectrum, they can’t dictate what hardware runs on that network anymore. In theory, it should allow anyone to make an LTE only phone (with Verizon’s band) and Verizon can’t prevent it from running on their network.