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Verizon CFO Lays Out Verizon’s VoLTE Roadmap

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During a chat at the Oppenheimer Technology, Internet and Communications Conference, Verizon CFO Fran “ShamWow” Shammo laid out Verizon’s roadmap for VoLTE, devices that will run on VoLTE, and how the new wireless tech could potentially impact prices of phones. As has been stated in the past, VoLTE will launch in the first half of 2014, now that Verizon has mostly completed their initial LTE rollout

According to Shammo, we’ll see the first VoLTE capable phone arrive before the end of this year. This phone, however, will still have a CDMA chip in it in case there is a need for the phone to fall back off of regular LTE (not VoLTE) and onto Verizon’s 3G network. We should note that the phone likely won’t necessarily act as a VoLTE phone out of the box, since Big Red doesn’t plan to launch their VoLTE network until mid-2014. It’ll essentially be a future-proof phone, if you will.

But Shammo did again confirm that they are planning to commercially launch VoLTE service in the first half of next year, once they feel the experience with voice is the same as it is on their 3G network. The big piece here involves fall back from VoLTE to CDMA, since those two technologies don’t necessarily play nice with each other. In fact, Shammo mentioned that VoLTE is not backwards compatible with CDMA, so say you are on a voice call on VoLTE and leave service, your phone call will drop, not fall back onto CDMA.

By the end of 2014, we’ll see the first LTE-only phone that won’t even contain a CDMA chip inside. So then of course, you won’t be able to hand-off anyway since everything will happen over LTE. But again, Verizon feels that by then they’ll be able to offer an even better voice experience than what you are seeing on CDMA, thanks to HD voice, video chatting, video voicemail, etc.

And speaking of removing CDMA chips, Shammo also talked about subsidies dropping as they move to LTE-only phones. With CDMA chips no longer needed, and manufacturers becoming more efficient with production of smartphones (which is still a relatively new tech that is constantly evolving), Verizon will see phone prices drop. Whether or not that means they’ll drop on the consumer end will be something to watch out for. Just because Verizon is getting better deals on phones, doesn’t necessarily mean that they will drop for consumers if consumers are willing to pay $199 on-contract.

The audio is below, if you’d like to hear it.

  • Danny Blaney

    Does this mean once they start releasing non cdma phones that we will be able to bring unlocked phones on verizon.

  • luke skywalker

    all the people talking about leaving vzw, you really think they will miss you? im sure you make up a small % of their customer base.

  • Mickey A Valentine

    So should I not buy the Moto X for Verizon and wait to get a VoLTE smart phone? I mean, what manufacturers are going to implement this tech? Apple? Motorola? Samsung?

  • Matt

    I’m getting closer and closer to leaving Verizon ….. I only get lte near windows at my house . Once CDMA is gone I’m gone.

  • fish1552

    This is all fine & dandy, but what happens when I still get no signal? Verizon is the only provider with service in my country living area, but there is a spot a few miles east or west where I get no signal for a mile or two (I know because claiming those Ingress portals SUCKS and our volunteer fire department sits in a dead zone).
    With no CDMA chip, how do you get signal? Or are they going to finally lease space on the 4 wireless towers in those areas and maybe get signal?
    Lots of “What if’s” Verizon before you can get rid of those chips.

  • J Dub

    Maybe it’s just my phone (GS3), but we have had 4G for a long time in my area. However, there are still lots of areas that don’t have 4G or that 4G just doesn’t penetrate. 4G is rather weak to penetrate the building where I work yet if you look at VZW map we are in the best coverage possible. How is this going to work going forward? Is VZW 4G spectrum just naturally not able to penetrate as well as their 3G?

    • CPPCrispy

      Verizon uses 700 for LTE. 700 is good for building penetration. Your problem is probably proximity to the LTE tower. Since Verizon has not upgraded all of their towers to LTE, you might have a 3G tower close to you but might be at the edge of the LTE towers range.

  • master94

    Well this sucks. VZW LTE is no where near as reliable as its old CDMA network. I guess this is the end of VZW and me

  • bionicwaffle

    Anyone with battery life stats on VoLTE compared to CDMA calling? Last I saw VoLTE used something like 2-3x as much power. That’s not a new technology that I want. I hope they wait for the technology to mature.

  • Harryballs

    I’d settle for 4g. Come on Verizon! York nebraska, you know, fly over country.

  • CapnShiner

    What I’m wondering is if Verizon might start offering a wifi calling option. If they eventually convert everything to VoLTE, which is a form of VoIP, I see no reason why they wouldn’t allow phones to make calls using their Verizon phone number through any Internet connection. It would take some of the strain off of their network and would completely eliminate the need for 3G microcell devices for people who don’t get a signal at home. It would help ease the transition from CDMA to VoLTE because public wifi hotspots could be used in place of LTE towers when there is no coverage.

  • Geoff__W

    Can someone please clarify – since VoLTE just uses the data stream, will we also be able to use wi-fi for unlimited, free voice calls, just like we use wi-fi today for unlimited data not through the cellular network when there is wi-fi service? If yes, that seems like a huge win for legacy unlimited data plans with limited voice / text. For homes with fast internet but spotty LTE coverage, that also solves a lot of problems

  • RoadsterHD1

    What kind of timeline are we looking at till this goes into affect and CDMA goes away?

    • Godzilla

      CDMA wont be “killed” for a long time. Like 2030 or something. However Verizon has more control over LTE so they will want all of their phones to be VOLTE long before that.

    • CPPCrispy

      I think it will be after to 2020 since they will want to free up spectrum to support an all LTE network. I won’t be sooner then 2020 since they will have to support legacy devices (feature phones, older smartphones with no LTE) and M2M devices.

  • Bionicman

    who’s ready for the HTC Thunderbolt 2? first VoLTE VZW phone. anyone?

    • Zachary Manville

      with 3 FULL HOURS of battery life, non-existant updates, and the most innovative aspect… it will ONLY RESTART ITSELF 4 times per day!!!

  • The day Verizon snatches away unlimited data will be the day I switch to US Cellular.

    • Godzilla

      ummm T mobile maybe? US Cellular is a joke. Seriously.

  • Damon C. Walden

    Shammo, you’re drunk…go home

  • Destroythanet

    LOL am I the only one who hates the term “future-proof,” especially when it comes to such a fast changing/moving field like tech? Maybe future-ready is the more apt term haha.

  • sk3litor

    correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this an all around bad idea for consumer? Using data gust to make a phone call ? plus I live a half mile away from a Verizon tower and it still can’t penetrate the Walls on my brick house. I’d have to go outside just to make a phone call and use MY data Seems like lose lose to Me

    • Tim242

      CDMA, especially on lower frequencies penetrate just about anything. If you are that close, there are other factors causing your issue. The two main culprits are excessive tree cover, and topography.

      • sk3litor

        No I meant my phone calls are second to none its just lte thats janky in my house. And in my basement? Fagetabotit 😉

  • XvierX

    I’m just here for the macro shot of the moto x.

  • mec

    give “shamwow” a rest. its tired, and not funny any more.

  • Rob

    But once they go VoLTE won’t we be able to have a Nexus device that can be used on Verizon? If that’s the case then I don’t see how Verizon will sell many phones at $650-700 off contract if you can get one for $400-500 if not less.

  • 655321

    I don’t understand what the advantage of VoLTE is to the consumer and carrier. To the consumer it’ll have better audio fidelity (really, who talks on the phone anymore and of those people who complains that the audio quality isn’t very good?) and video calls? Can’t you do that with LTE now?

    For the carrier the consumer will no longer be locked into their hardware. Why would Verizon do this when every other U.S. carrier is cheaper? Are they so confident that their network is the best that people will continue to sign contracts with them regardless of the fact they’re the most expensive?

    • mec

      verizon wont have to maintain CDMA antennas when their customers are on VoLTE. This cuts infrastructure costs, and frees up space to implement future technology roll-outs, like LTE-A

    • Tim242

      Every other carrier does not cost less. At&t is the same. Sprint is only slightly cheaper for a single line. Family plans are cheaper on Verizon.

  • Skittlez

    bring on the Nexus!

  • jt O’Brien

    This seems like an un-verizon move. I mean this will necessarily mean an unlocked phone will work on any network. Freedom is weird.

  • Tyler

    All I can think of is Verizon nexus. CAN’T WAIT FOR THIS TO HAPPEN!

    • Larizard

      “According to Shammo, we’ll see the first VoLTE capable phone arrive before the end of this year.”

      Yup, I think there are only two possibilities: 1) the next iPhone, or 2) a Motorola Nexus.

      Why Motorola? Motorola knows Verizon’s network inside out. With the exclusive “bond” they have with the Droid line.

  • br_hermon

    Hey DL what I’m interested in knowing is… how is Google preparing for this? With licences, chipsets and binaries and making everything compatible is Google actively preparing compatibility? or will it be a while for this tech to mature? I know VZ doesn’t dictate the future of phones, but at one time 4g was brand new and Google adapted for it (slowly followed by apple). So now what’s Google doing?

  • Stewie

    1. They will see phone prices drop, customers will not. 2. Here it comes … Now that it will be voLTE, await the new ShamF-ck announcement that will happen when all of you on tiered plans are told that now your VoLTE calls will count against said tiered plan. The only thin good about this is we’ll no longer hear about unlimited calling …

    • pbolton70

      It already has been loosely said that VoLTE calls will not count toward your data allowance. VZW can tell the difference between VoLTE data and regular data.

    • CPPCrispy

      The day Verizon counts VoLTE against the data plan is the day the everyone leaves Verizon. Why would anyone stay with them if they could go to AT&T and get unlimited Voice and Text that don’t count against data, for the same or lesser price.

      I do not think they are dumb or greedy enough to count Voice and Text against the data plan (unless they implement unlimited data, which I don’t think they will).

  • Raven65

    Carriers should NOT be in the hardware business PERIOD.

  • Bharath Kannan

    “We’re looking at bringing our first VolTE capable handset in the 4th quarter of this year” Verizon nexus maybe?!?!?! Jk nothing good ever comes out of Verizon.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      Doubtful, since it will still need a CDMA chipset too.

      • CPPCrispy

        This does not mean that the Nexus 5 won’t have Verizons LTE frequencies. We just won’t be able to use it on Verizon until VoLTE is available.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Assuming that it has Verizon’s LTE frequencies, so far Verizon doesn’t have the same coverage LTE as they have with their CDMA network. Until that happens, you would be better off with T-Mobile’s coverage area than switching to strictly VoLTE.

  • BobbyG

    Still a year away so we should see great improvements in their network. Just look back to a year ago and how LTE was compared to today. Keeps improving

  • Booyabobby

    Cheaper phones. Hahahaha Verizon you so silly.

  • droidrazredge

    Which phones currently out and soon to be released are future proofed and have the capability for VoLTE at the moment when Verizon decides to roll it out.

  • Joshua Bailey

    We were wondering how Verizon was going to be blocking the open handset alliance when their VoLTE rolled out. Apparently all they had to do was still require a CDMA chip in their phones even though by the time VoLTE rolls out almost 100% of their 3G coverage will be covered with 4G.

    Makes me sick.

    • tyguy829

      As much as I hate their locked policies, it does make sense. There are still areas that are 3G only, and more importantly, rural areas that use roaming providers for 2G voice and text. While I could live with an LTE only phone, some parts aren’t ready for it yet.

    • ToddAwesome

      At least half of my 50 mile commute to work everyday in Mass is still on 3G, Verizon has quite a bit of work to do before CDMA is relegated to the scrap heap.

    • Franklin Ramsey

      It also makes sense because 4G still has trouble in buildings. Outside of my house, I get 2-3 bars of 4G on my Gnex, but if I go inside, it drops to a single bar of 3G. If I go into my basement, all I have is 1X.

    • Justin W

      There will be some devices that don’t have a CDMA chip in it by the end of next year – they can’t control those (other than by SIM-locking them). You should, theoretically, still be able to bring another LTE-only device to Verizon, pop in a SIM, and be good to go.

  • zepfloyd

    >>According to Shammo, we’ll see the first VoLTE capable phone arrive before the end of this year. <<

    Interesting what this could be. Outside of the G2, Note 3, and iPhone 5S we have all the big 2013 launches already.

    • tyguy829

      Wasn’t the LG revolution voLTE capable?

      • Tim242

        Yes. They used it in testing.

    • breadable

      Yes, since they know it’s coming relatively soon, there must be a particular device with this technology coming. Moto Nexus?

      • Steve B

        Yeah right.

    • EC8CH

      thunderbolt 2.0

      • breadable

        Oh man, I miss the kickstand

      • zepfloyd

        now with even LESS battery life!

    • George264

      I think the 5S might be on board. Didn’t Apple talk abouthe wideband audio last year, essentially the same thing.

    • Larizard

      Motorola Nexus 5?

  • tyguy829

    “Just because Verizon is getting better deals on phones, doesn’t necessarily mean that they will drop for consumers”

    How is Verizon even in this equation? Once phones are LTE only, won’t you just be able to pop a Verizon sim in any phone that supports the correct bands?

    • Justin W

      Yes, but Verizon will still be selling devices on contract and therefore subsidizing devices. They can still get a ton of money from consumers by doing it this way, even though there are the tech-savvy 2% that will bring VoLTE devices from other carriers to their service.

  • EC8CH

    SIM unlocked VOLTE phones on Verizon… is that going to happen???


      I believe Verizon doesn’t even have a say in the matter. The answer is yes.

      • EC8CH

        Verizon also blocks Google Wallet… don’t put anything past them.

        • ERIFNOMI

          Verizon does have a say in whether wallet or not can work on their handsets, sadly. However, without CDMA radios, VoLTE only phones should fall under protection of the Block C terms Verizon agreed to.

  • AndrewScottRox

    But will it play Crisis?

  • Andrew Lima

    Very wise to keep that CDMA chip. Not sure I’d buy otherwise…

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    Okay good. I’ll come back to VZW when VOLTE is here because I’m excited for that.

    But as of right now I’m ready to sell my S4 (that was supposed to be temporary until the HTC ONe dropped) . . . .but now I just feel like I shouldn’t be locked down to a carrier, especially when they are the ones that decide which phone I can have an when. Ordered the Dev Htc One(Just Shipped)….and will roll on At&ts $60/month 2GB prepaid plan.

    • Why would you come back when VoLTE comes out? I’m not following the reasoning behind that.

      • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

        That’s the next actual evolution. All Data Plans?… That’s pretty damn exciting.

        • Blue Sun

          I’m happy with the existing technology I have now. VoLTE I’m sure will be nice, but I have no interest in it till the end of 2014/mid-2015 at the earliest. I’ve already been a part of too many Verizon experiments gone wrong (Thunderbolt, Xoom 4G LTE).

    • George264

      How bad is T-Mobile in your area? In NYC they have become so good, I’m ready to go Tmo this November for unlimited LTE. Will get the One.

      • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

        I’m not really sure… I looked at the Map in Kansas City (Just move here. No I don’t have Google Fiber in m y area yet lol) They seem to have a lot of the city covered but I tend to travel around and TMOB makes me paranoid.

  • bluefolder

    For anyone else still clinging to their Verizon unlimited data plan, I’m guessing this is where they’ll get us. For now, VZ will let people who buy off contract “VZ approved” phones keep paying for the calling + unlimited data plan they were grandfathered into.

    But I’m betting that however their VoLTE service works, it won’t “be compatible” with the grandfathered CDMA plans. Maybe we can hang on through during the transition period, but once CDMA radios are out of the phone, unlimited data plans will be gone for good.

    This is pure speculation, but I’m all ears for why this isn’t a likely scenario.

    • Bigwavedave25

      Sad, but quite a valid point. Big Red is quite a crafty animal…

      • Mikey Styles

        You Underestimated my sneekyness(says ShamWow)!! Well played VZW Lol

    • Mikey Styles

      I’d have to agree in a way but lets not forget Voice & Data will now be transmitted over LTE. So no matter what its still a data transfer, I wouldn’t be surprised if the data plans change going fwd. A good way to correlate is VoiP uses your home ISP which is based on a data connection.

      This all being said I have no doubt VZW will try to find a way to “Make a Dollar outta $0.15” on the transition. Wouldn’t be like them to give us a freebie by any means, Just not their style

      • George264

        Nah, that won’t be the case. The calls now go through CDMA, it doesn’t count toward your data plan. They’ll have a way to differentiate.

        • Mikey Styles

          I know this already, I was speaking for when VoLTE becomes more open or widespread. I’m also aware they’ll be able to differentiate as HD Voice actually uses more data than one would think. Either way Data/Voice Plans will change going fwd when that happens, Mark My Words.

    • Bootleg Zani

      I wouldn’t be surprised.

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        At least half of my 50 mile
        commute to work everyday in Mass is still on 3G, Verizon has quite a bit
        of work to do before CDMA is relegated to the scrap heap.

      • michael arazan

        When questioning how my unlimited would transfer from 3G to 4G from my D1 to a GNex the CS Rep said it wouldn’t matter, and that it is unlimited data, as long as you have the data plan, doesn’t matter what network you were using

    • Robert Goulet

      I hate to say it, but this does make sense. I’m gonna have to think really long and hard about dropping over $500 on an off contract device this winter, as I was planning to do.

    • Tirionfive

      While this is definitely a possibility, I am fairly sure this will not happen. Due to the fact that Verizon signed an agreement for Block C, that forces them to accept any devices that are compatible with their network (i.e a SIM card, just like AT&T does). IF they do start this nonsense, we can file FCC claims, and they should be able to take care of it.

      • Addison

        I’m not entirely sure that has anything to do with Unlimited plans at all.

        I honestly thought that those of us lucky enough to have been grandfathered in to an unlimited plan would have been more aggressively pushed toward signing a shared plan, or just outright dropped from the unlimited plan and forced onto a shared plan by now.

        I agree with bluefolder that I don’t think we will be able to enjoy our unlimited plans for too much longer, but I remain hopeful.

        Honestly, I’ve been heavily considering leaving VZW and going with AT&T or T-Mobile, but thats a hard pill to swallow after becoming accustomed to great coverage and unlimited data, especially after they upgraded me to a Galaxy Nexus for free and allowed me to keep my unlimited status on 4G. They really have been pretty good to me overall, but I’m just getting sick of their draconian policies.

        • DanSan

          im holding on my unlimited data plan as long as i possibly can. just upgraded to the GS4 using my phones dumb phone as my upgrade dummy. just waiting for Tmobile to solid coverage where i live and improve their LTE coverage as well then im ditching so fast.

          • MicroNix

            At least in my area, T-Mo ain’t no Verizon. If you travel in the least bit, better look at a coverage map first.

      • There’s nothing in the agreement saying that they have to offer you the service thru the grandfathered plan. They also have no legal liability of your unlimited plan’s service agreement neither because your contract with the unlimited plan will long be ended by the time VoLTE launches officially. The fact is, most people on their unlimited plan now are not no longer bound by their original contract — from the subscribers’ point of view, they can leave Verizon w/o paying a single dime, even if their phones were originally subsidized.

        Look, I am one of the lucky people who still have the unlimited plan, and while I would love that it stays alive, but I have to agree with blueholder that this will end, and my feeling is, it will end the moment they open up the network to accept any compatible phones that aren’t “approved” by Verizon. All Verizon needs to do is, you can use any compatible device you want, but since you are no longer having a contract with us, you have to sign a new contract.

    • Tyler Durden

      Unlimited was never going to last forever.

      • Mikey Styles

        1st Rule about Unlimited Data Plans on VZW is- “Do Not Talk About Unlimited Data Plans!!” LOL had to say it

        • Tyler Durden

          I approve

    • zmancbr

      Definitely possible and if that is the case I will definitely leave Verizon behind and make the move to Tmo or Sprint. Hell I may even just drop data and use my phone for voice and text only.

    • Jason James

      How would that be a change for the data?  most of my data is on 4GLTE and this has nothing to do with changing the data radios. LTE-A probably because it’s a new radio “for data” not voice calls. I don’t see how they could say because voice is going to use the same LTE as your data you can’t have unlimited. If they cancel voice minutes and it’s just counted as data instead of minutes maybe then it would seem possible. I would hope people would be smart enough to know your voice radio and data radio have two different functions and not allow them to cancel unlimited data because of voice. And we know how it works it uses already existing LTE radios hence volte(voice over LTE) that’s why they waited til LTE was covering the existing 3g map and the data plans are 3g and 4g not cdma and 4glte.

    • Mike Hilal

      You’re 100% right. They did the same thing when they migrated to EVDO (even though they ARE reverse compatible). Then they brought it back. I was shocked when they let us keep unlimited going onto LTE…I guess this is where the buck stops.

    • everettedl

      Well, with VoLTE, there’s no need to maintain CDMA, or text messages. It’ll be nothing but a data plan at that point. With those savings they get, the phone plans will likely come down as well.

      If they don’t allow unlimited data for VoLTE, then they’ll probably have plans that make it worth leaving unlimited.

      This is me assuming Verizon isn’t evil. lol

    • C-Law

      I hope it doesn’t work like that. I’m hoping that Verizon knows enough of us would leave them to go elsewhere if we lost unlimited data, since we don’t have contracts, so they wouldn’t take the chance and would rather just keep us with our unlimited data than lose us as customers

      • Mickey A Valentine

        Especially since we make up a good percentage of customers.

    • Donald Motley

      I have VZW unlimited data – 4G LTE with 3G fallback.

    • cg

      Another fearmongering hater-moron….
      Speculate deez…
      If Verizon does go your doomsday scenario, many VZW customers, like myself will simply go to another carrier. At that point, I would given go T-Mobile OR Sprint. Even though both sucks like no other, the one advantage I’d have is lower cost. Another would be a better selection of phones (rather than waiting x-amount of time to get the “it” phone on VZW.
      In the meantime…I will use another 2 GB listening to some music, today…on my sweet 4G…no need for Wifi. LOL…choke on dat.

  • Taylor Abrahamson

    Paragraph 2: ” plan* to launch”

  • Sam Freistedt

    I don’t see how it is going to be possible for them to be on strictly LTE at the end of 2014. There are still so many areas that are not even upgraded to 3g CDMA. Are they going to ignore all of the smaller, rural areas and drop them or spend the money to outfit the rural towers with LTE tech? I think “end of 2014” is out of reach for this change.

    • I don’t necessarily think that every phone they make at the end of 2014 is going to be LTE-only. I’d assume they’ll have some, but many will be CDMA-LTE phones, like we have now. They don’t plan to kill off their CDMA network for some time.

      • Sam Freistedt

        Seems logical for the frequent flyer who is traveling to large cities or hermits who don’t get out of the house(large city) much. However, traveling on the road is another story and will definitely require the CDMA radios.

      • droidrazredge

        So just a thought, but technically when Verizon implements their VoLTE
        wouldn’t a tablet with LTE like the Nexus 7 be able to be used as a
        phone ? If that was the case that would be 350$ for a phone, the only
        downside for some people being of course the size. You then can have a LTE only phone and keep a CDMA phone that you already have for backup in case you’re in an area that has bad LTE service.

        • timrcm

          People already do this with the HSPA+ version (and the WiFi version for that matter) via VoIP and Google Voice. It’s terrible. Don’t bother.

        • aye_winchell

          Is it possible, yes. Is it going to be great, no. Like @timrcm:disqus said its already possible, but is terrible, there is a reason for this. When your transmitting data over the network your voip packets are treated the same as any other packets. When they launch VoLTE either they will provision a section a bandwith to handle all voip traffic OR they with use QoS to priorities your voice packets from say your video and audio packets. This is what makes voip possible, without it you sometimes get packets of web data, video data, voice data that get equal status on the network, which is why it’s terrible, you get choppy voice or dropping constantly. When they launch VoLTE they will have a plan in place that separates voice data from regular data one way or another. Even after launch of VoLTE i don’t think it would work right because they device would not probably tag voice traffic as such without a properly programmed sim card.

      • Stev J

        I live in Charlotte, NC. Right in a MAJOR area. 4g drops on 3 major roads I use EVERYDAY. If this is the case here, I cant even imagine what life would be like in “Marginal” areas.

        • Bradley Albert Nemitz

          Really? 4G in Charlotte has been near perfect for me.

          • Stev J

            Brookshire at Mountain Island Lake is a dead zone. HWY 27 Mount Holly Road is a dead zone. Beatties Ford Road Just past 77 out to Lake Norman is a dead zone. These are 3 I deal with every day. I know there are more.

        • Malcolm Love

          I live in Charlotte too. In Charlotte 4G is great…however once you get to the outskirts it gets a little patchy. I work out in Union County, pretty much all the way to work I’m on 3G. Surprisingly, in the town of Marshville where I work I can pull a full 4G signal. But once I get inside my school I get NO signal. I remember reading somewhere that LTE has poor building penetration. That is a concern for me.

          • ERIFNOMI

            Building penetration is dependent on the frequency used more than anything else. VZW’s LTE is on a low frequency, 700MHz, and should penetrate materials better than, say, Sprint’s EVDO which is somewhere up around 2GHz. Another common example is WiFi. 2.4GHz WiFi penetrates walls better than 5GHz WiFi. Other things can play into how well a signal penetrates, but I suspect it’s mostly frequency.

    • What areas are 1x only? The only ones I know of are in extremely bad coverage areas where the phone barely gets a signal at all, and when I’m roaming.

      • MikeCiggy

        I was just in upstate NY in the Tannersville area and coverage was terrible my Note 2 could get 1x but only on some roads. Even my XM radio lost it’s signal on the way up. Some areas just aren’t possible to cover.

        • droidftw

          I was in upstate NY (Cooperstown area) for the last week and I had horrible coverage across the board (Chromebook Pixel, iPad with 4G, iPad with 3G, Galaxy nexus). Nothing could hold a signal for more than a couple of seconds. Where I live, in Southern California, if they got rid of the CDMA network, I wouldn’t even notice as I NEVER lose 4G.

          • Stevedub40

            Amen to that. Rocking solid 4g here in San Diego.

          • shane

            Agreed. I’ve only seen my 3G icon once in the past 6 months in San Diego.

        • I think that’s just because 1x uses lower frequencies than 3G, and is more resilient to interference than 3G/LTE are, hence why in awful coverage areas you can usually get 1 bar of 1x.

        • Spider210

          I live in up-upstate ny we have like 1 tower 4g lte and they call it launched. I walk into a store and bam back to 1x sometimes 3g.

          Go into walmart when it’s busy and might as well say your phone is useless.

          I think they need to concentrate on updating all the towers before flipping switches because my battery sucks with all this 1x 3g 4g and it’s been live since end of june

      • Trevor

        I found one about 30 minutes from Monument Valley in Arizona. City of Kayenta.

    • Wildkatct

      There aren’t really that many areas that aren’t 3G CDMA. Heck there is something like 200 Verizon 4G upgraded towers that aren’t lit up because the local telco can’t provide enough backhaul bandwidth to run 4G properly.

  • chris125

    And they will continue charging $600+ consumers see a price drop? Yeah and they will bring back unlimited data too… /s

  • crussell

    What about ETF’s if the only signal you can get at home is CDMA? (Wanting to drop VZW like a hot rock anyway I can)


      They won’t be dropping CDMA for a long time.

    • Tyler

      Think of all those old people with flip phone, they will be keeping it around for them.

  • So what about roaming partners that now mostly provide either 1x or at best 3G? No more voice or texts in those roaming areas? Or will Verizon finally pay for LTE roaming?

  • ßen Murphy

    You can bet your bottom dollar that consumer prices won’t drop! Oh wait…

  • Fozzybare

    I love the ShamWow nickname.