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From a Sales Perspective: How Verizon Looks at the New DROIDs vs. the Moto X

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During the week of the August 20, there is a pretty good chance that you are going to have at least three new Motorola devices to choose from on Verizon. Big Red has already announced that the DROID MAXX and ULTRA will be available come the 20th (Mini launching later), but the Moto X may end up arriving later that week on the 23rd as well. We’ve had a number of readers ask us to do a full-on comparison of the Moto X to these other DROID flagships, and we’ll do that once we have review units. In the mean time, we have already put together a spec chart that compares the Moto X to the new DROIDs that you should probably check out. If you want to know how Verizon is going to approach them from a sales perspective, we have something extra for you to look at. 

Below, you’ll find a training chart for employees who are being briefed on all four new Motorola devices. Rather than focusing on specs, this chart looks at the software and hardware features of each, and how they can be sold to customers as benefits. It compares the DROID family and its set of “exclusive” features to the Moto X in some sort of a showdown. As you’ll see, there are plenty of extra bright red check marks to highlight the advantages of the new DROID line over Motorola’s solo flagship.

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For example, two of the three new DROIDs feature wireless charging – the Moto X does not. They also all utilize KEVLAR around their body to offer more protection, and include the “DROID Command Center,” which is an upgraded version of the 3-circle clock that Motorola introduced last year with the RAZR HD and Atrix HD. In terms of software freebies, Verizon has worked out a deal with Google to give all of the new DROIDs instant access to Ingress, along with 6 free months of Google Play Music All Access access. The ULTRA and MAXX offer a 5-inch display, which ends up being slightly larger than the 4.7-inch panel on the Moto X.

And the top chart doesn’t even mention the fact that the ULTRA is insanely slim (Moto X is slightly thicker than the HTC One). Also, don’t forget that the MAXX offers a reported 48 hour battery life on a single charge, and will also sport 32GB of internal storage.

Keep in mind that all of the new DROID phones are equipped with Active Display, Quick Capture Camera, and Touchless Control, all of which are the Moto X’s best features. So in a way, the new DROID phones actually do have some advantages over the Moto X, for those keeping track. I think what it’ll come down to in the end depends upon how much you prefer a 5-inch display over a 4.7-inch, if 48-hour battery life is a must have, and if you like the look of Motorola’s KEVLAR unibody designs.

I still can’t help but question the need for all four of these devices on Verizon, but I think it’s clearer than ever which phones the carrier will be pushing and which the manufacturer will be using its marketing budget on.

Don’t forget to read our Moto X review if you haven’t. Keep an eye out for new DROID family coverage, assuming we get review units in the next week or so.

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Cheers B!

  • Justtyn Hutcheson

    Point for the Moto X: None of the DROIDs are listed on Motorola’s site as having 802.11ac wifi, only b/g/n.

    Thought I’d point that out.

    • Kenton Douglas

      Interesting. I wonder if anything else is different internally.

      • Skittlez

        i think the radios. thats supposed to be a huge point to the X

  • AHoL2206

    the MAXX is intriguing, although the HTC One with all of those Google Play Edition ROMS is still leading the pack for me. will have to see the review on the MAXX, if i can get Stock ROMS on it, perhaps its a winner?

  • JPB

    So, basically crapware plus wireless charging, which, in and of itself seems overrated to me. I mean how hard is it to plug something in?

    • htowngtr

      I’m a wireless charging convert. It’s been awesome on my Nexus 7.

      • JPB

        Maybe, but having that and having to include all the crapware with it makes it not worth the sacrifice. I’m going MotoX and likely ditching VZW to boot.

  • hackthis02

    I think we all can admit it. They had a good run. But this is the start of the end of the droid line. Verizon will have to find a new way to give costumers loss for more, which believe my they have no lack of idea coughEDGEcough

    • Kenton Douglas

      The Moto X needs to sell well.

  • Matthew Merrick

    Let’s face It – if you’re on Verizon and looking to get a Motorola phone, there is zero reason to get the Moto X over the Maxx.

    There’s also no reason for the ultra to exist, but that’s a different topic.

    • hackthis02

      I would disagree. I would take the Moto X. I think it looks 100x better. Once you go on screen buttons everything else just looks meh to me. And since it’s going to be on all carriers the dev community will/should be greater.

      • htowngtr

        It’ll be a locked down Moto. You can really forget about dev community for the VZW model unless the GPE will be unlockable.

        • hackthis02

          I believe the reason dhacker29 was able to unlock the RAZR HD line was do in part to the dev model and the fact that he had access to unlocked versions of the phone. It’s entirely possible the dev community could do it again.

    • sandbag747

      The Ultra is a cheaper and thinner model of the Maxx

  • KevinThorn

    Will the Maxx have a big dev community?? Thats my question. Obviously Moto X will because its on all four major carriers.

    • joejoe5709

      I think we’re all holing our breath for the new Nexus phone(s) and the slim possibility of it landing on Verizon. Any Verizon Nexus is going to be huge for devs like the GNex is. If we are left out, three things are going to happen – 1.) A mass geek riot across the nation outside the doors of Verizon 2.) Verizon will lose about 30-50% of its Android enthusiast community including many devs 3.) The chosen few left behind will be forced to find a phone with decent specs and hope the devs pick it up. The last couple years devs have passed up Motorola so I doubt it. This scenario will require some hard thinking and number crunching so stay tuned. Don’t pull the trigger on anything just yet.

      The lack of a GPE for the G2 and the Moto X are pretty indicative if you ask me…

  • htowngtr

    IMO the Droid Mini sounds like a winner. Same guts as Moto X but with wireless charging and smaller size.

    • joejoe5709

      Not a bad choice but I couldn’t live with the fear of being passed up for KLP. Even if the specs are similar, mid-range phones are sketchy for updates.

  • roaminglion

    Droid Maxx for me, I want the battery. I know it’s not going to get 48hrs, but it will be better than any other phone.

    I’d consider waiting for the Nexus 5, but I doubt that’s going to be offered on Verizon and I need a phone now.

  • Sam

    What I want to know is if the new Maxx will be stock android like the Moto X.

  • tlspatt

    Wait, so what does the X have that the others don’t, other than being customizable? All the customization in the world is worthless to me if I can’t keep it charged…

    • Skittlez

      on screen time is usually a little over 3 hours from what i saw, which i think is pretty decent. i mean i am coming from the Gnex where i get a little bit over an hour.

  • tlspatt

    There was a SD card reader on Kickstarter recently that plugged into the charging port of the phone, which was worthless for my G-Nex that can’t keep a charge. But with 48hr or battery life it seems a possible solution…

    I’ll have to buy mine off-contract anyway to keep my unlimited data, which is especially important considering I’ll be streaming stuff without a SD slot to store my files on (which is highway robbery). But I’m assuming there will be a dev edition MAXX sold directly through Motorola like last year…

  • joejoe5709

    So really the only thing the Moto X has going for it is the nice medium Goldilocks size and its more ergonomic shape? Maaaaybe “quicker” updates? Maybe. And a lot of people are turned off by the crazy racy looks of the Droids. I could be wrong, but I’m otherwise seeing every other thing being bested by one or two of the Droid line. I mean it’s cool that we have a phone that is more mature than the Droids and still checkmarks most of what the consumer is looking for, but if they dig just a little deeper they’ll find the Moto X isn’t *that* special. Combine that with the Verizon training that fairly obviously wants salespersons to avoid the Moto X, I fear a sales flop here. Which is unfortunate because it is a great phone. Throw in a very unlikely (but technically possible) Moto Nexus 4 on Verizon and it gets even more murky. I guess we’ll see…

    • Kenton Douglas

      Yep. It’ll be up to the other carriers (and direct sales) to move the X

      • joejoe5709

        Unless said mythical Moto Nexus 4 (and/or Nexus5) comes to all carriers as well. Then the Moto X’s software features, customization, and spiffy design are all that would separate it on those carriers. Plus there are plenty of other flagship choices on those carriers that steal sales from the Moto X. It’ll be interesting to see how this all plays out. I love this time of the year. It’s so exciting!

        • Kenton Douglas

          Should be great!

  • RoadsterHD1

    DROID MAXX is the obvious choice here.

    • joejoe5709

      Other than the locked bootloader, it is a pretty impressive package. Shrink the screen size down to 4.7(ish) maybe even with a little extra girth and that would make a pretty sweet basis for a Nexus 4 successor. That level of battery life easily overcomes the 720p screen and dual core processor.

  • chaoslimits

    No unlocked bootloader, no buy.

  • Knlegend1

    LMAO I don’t know why Verizon just doesn’t give up on the Droids already. Its the same phone and I’d rather have the X because it has less of their crap.

    • Skittlez

      apparently the X still comes with a lot of Verizon’s crap

      • Knlegend1

        “less”

        • Skittlez

          i wanna say it has all their crap still.

          • Knlegend1

            Droid zap lol

  • clackout

    Okay so I am a little lost. The X and the Maxx have the same style of screen so the Active Notifications dont have to turn on the whole screen right?

    • Matthew Merrick

      Correct

  • Rob Delaney

    In my dealings with 99.99% of Verizon, AT&T, best buy and t-mo sales reps, they can help you discover what works for you. They only push product on any unsuspecting customer. It’s sad

  • Sam_K

    Notice how these charts and the specs on Motorola’s website don’t mention anything about any of these phones having the water resistant nano coating. I’m still waiting for someone to show real proof that they do. If they don’t then that’s another step down for Motorola from previous Droid models.

  • JuAli

    Listen guys….the point is so that Verizon can sale as many droids before the moto maker is released to Verizon. Once the moto maker comes to Verizon the moto x will start selling. Average customers who looks at how a phone looks will lean forwards a moto x waaay more than the ugly droids! Even with more features!

  • C C

    the DROID line have to be the ugliest phones on the market … not saying they’re bad phones … just ugly … imo

    • JuAli

      Very true!! They are very ugly looking and I hate the flat squad design. Harder to hold when using the phone!

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    • http://Facebook.com/jooski JooSki

      I am now confused.

      • http://fashiondesignslatest2012.blogspot.com/ Kenny Wylie

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    • Detonation

      wow the spam is actually becoming relevant

  • David Narada Brown

    wireless display??? Now that is technology……. Touchless display! and why does the mini n maxx have wireless charging but not the droid? Mini is an upgrade from droid? maybe because they pack so much into so little, but does this make the mini more expensive than the droid?

  • Don Goncalves

    Which — Moto X or the Droids — will get 4.3 & other updates first?

    • David Narada Brown

      verizon will not let them update the X before the droids (on verizon network other carriers could get it out before big red). I really dont see them letting that happen. good thing is they update the droids fairly quick, i mean quicker than their other phones, because they are exclusive to verizon.

    • socarwolverine

      Ha, it’s VZW, updates will take forever either way (speaking as a longtime VZW customer).

    • joejoe5709

      It’s Verizon so who knows. In a perfect world, I would expect the Moto X to get the update first seem as how Google actually had a hand in its creation. Probably not going to be a huge difference between them and it won’t be anywhere near the speed of a Nexus.

  • ToddAwesome

    Having suffered this long with the battery life on my GNex, I’m seriously leaning towards the Maxx. I would kill to be unplugged all day, I have no idea what that’s like anymore. Heck, maybe not even have to charge it overnight, just pick it up and head out the door? What a concept.

    • DroidzFX

      I sold my Gnex and got a Razr M for cheap. The battery life is crazy. I think I got so use to thinking the Gnex battery life was normal.

      • ToddAwesome

        No doubt, even the extended battery only gets me through an hour or two of constant use. Forget about firing up the GPS for anything, instant battery drain. Makes me think back fondly to a simpler time, when my OG Droid would get me happily through the day.

      • aQuickBit

        So maybe finding a Razr M on ebay to hold me over until December (when we will have a better idea of what Moto Maker will be on VZW) would be a good thing? I love that it has on screen buttons like my GNex. I just hate having to lug around 2 extra batteries with me every day :

        Do you like it more or less than your GNex?

        • DroidzFX

          I like it more than the GNEX. New blur is close to stock so no complaints there. Only downside is the screen. Not bad just not as good as the gnex. There are Roms but I just rooted and removed or froze the bloatware. Android has got to the point I don’t feel the need to use a custom ROM. The size and feel of the phone is also good. Battery life is easily double or even triple what you were getting on the gnex.

          If you are looking for a new phone experience and some battery life go for it. I got the phone to hold me over for a few months as well.

          • aQuickBit

            Thanks for the answer

      • gallen408

        Yeah, my Razr M has been a dream. I was stuck on my GNex since April of last year and I temporaly lost it in early July. I wound up getting an M to use till I got my GNex back but have been using it full time waiting for the funds to purchase a Moto X or Droid MAXX.

    • Big_EZ

      I think you’ll be happy with any new phone. The Note 2 or any MAXX device would probably put you in shock.

      • Jordan Webb

        I’m hoping this happens to me. Happy shock from too much battery would be okay.

    • Skittlez

      yea, i don’t think this has to do specifically with battery capacity. a phone can only be so up-to-date. I still have my Gnex, and even with the extended 2100 mah battery, the most i would get(if i was lucky) is 10 hours. average is 5-6 hours. i had a nexus 4 with 2100 mah, to try out t-mobile for a month, and it lasted me a day on average, mostly 1 day 1 hour and the most was 1 day 15 hours. the Gnex is just too old now. it’s werid that my mom’s Gnex still gets like 16-17 hours average, but she probably doesn’t use it like i do. and i get those 5-6 hours with a little over an hour of on screen time. We’ll probably be happy with anything we get on verizon.

      • http://www.toysdiva.com Toys Samurai

        Obviously, you don’t use your Gnex that much neither. Even with a 2100 amh battery, I often get around 4 hrs only. Just browsing alone will kill battery like nothing else. Forget about GPS. I went on a trip a while ago, even with my Gnex hooking up to a 2Amp charger to my car, I could still see the battery level slowly going down.

    • LiterofCola

      Coming from the Razr Maxx, the battery life is pure awesome-sauce. With the optimizations in the software and the slightly bigger battery, puppy will last you pretty much all day

  • hackthis02

    In the first picture, if red is better, Then why is the mini’s 4.3 red when the motoX 4.7 isn’t?

    • socarwolverine

      Because that’s not the true intent of the graphic. Red doesn’t mean “better” it means “steer customers to our droid branded line as much as possible”.

    • King Lo

      Red means different, not neccesarily better.

  • TJWaterskier

    I’m between the X and the Mini..
    I don’t like that the Mini will have to light up the whole LCD for notifications.. yet the X lacks wireless charging.

    Mini might drain faster, but will be easier to charge? Also.. gloss=bleh

  • MichaelFranz

    for me it all comes down to hackability…..will we ever be able to see unlocked bootloaders….probably not. praying for a nexus i think

    • Skittlez

      if there is a maxx dev ed., it’ll have an unlockable bootloader

      • MichaelFranz

        big if, i hope but dont wanna shell out that $$

        plus unlocking and hacking a locked bootloader is the ultimate kick in the dick to carriers :)

        • Skittlez

          yea, but aren’t motorola bootloaders usually encrypted to hell?

  • jose

    It’s no wonder Verizon employees are so stupid. These are training documents? What a joke. Thin. Moar thin. And thinnerest!!11

    • Sirx

      Did you miss the part where the Maxx had the battery life of the gods?! Cause that was also in there.

  • Andy

    If only the MAXX had an SD card slot. With the “up to” 48 hours of battery life, I can live with no replaceable battery. Even when the battery capacity diminishes, it’ll still last pretty long.

    • htowngtr

      If I had to pick one it’d be the Maxx. For $100 you get wireless charging, slimmer design, insane battery life, and more storage. Yes please.

      Unless you are locked into the design of the Moto X

    • Trab Dub da Vet

      I agree memory should be upgradable. Always.

  • James_75

    To me, the clear winner is the Maxx. It seems as though most of the anti-Maxx bias is rooted in a desire to not buy what VZW wants you to buy. Looking at it objectively, Verizon will make profit from you regardless of which phone you buy therefore your consideration should be based on which phone best meets your requirements. I prefer the 5″ screen, wireless charging, long battery life, and I actually prefer the aesthetics of the Maxx more than that of the X but that is, of course, highly subjective. I’m convinced both phones will have bloat and I’m also convinced both phone will at least achieve root if not an unlocked bootloader as well. It’s a strange dichotomy to me to see so many rail against a company that they so willingly support with what matters; their money.

    • MichaelFranz

      honestly, i love my razr hd, dont mind the kevlar. As long as the camera is great i would be on board with a maxx. only thing i would like is on screen buttons but i can live with it.

      unlocked bootloader would be great, i love to rom my phone and try everyones latest and greatest, i usually only do a few things, i love having a centered clock, small on screen buttons or PIE controls, a percentage battery, and lockscreen controls. Maybe some quick toggles in notifications but that is whatever.

    • KevinThorn

      Please let the Maxx get Root….Please let the Maxx get Root.

      • Jordan Webb

        Has there ever been a top-level Android phone that didn’t get root? Bootloader is one thing, but root is usually within the first few days anymore, if not pre-release.

    • Droid22

      They will make more money on the X.

      • socarwolverine

        How so? Most of their money is made on contracts, not devices.

        • Droid22

          The retail price that the carriers pay Motorola is only $350 vs $600 for other phones

    • King Lo

      Capacitive buttons, that’s what has me on the fence.

    • Weber

      For me, it’s the capacitive buttons. I’m just not a fan.

    • tlspatt

      I think the RAZR versions also sold dev editions straight through Moto so then getting root and unlocking the bootloader shouldn’t be an issue. That’s my plan, anyway, and then deleting the bloatware should be simple.

  • Ben Cammarata

    Kellex, do you have an estimate on when your droid maxx/ultra review will be out? I can’t decide on the maxx/ultra/x

  • SA_NYC

    Blah blah blah, here’s the net of it:
    Moto X = iPhone of the Android world
    Latest Droids = latest Droids

    • MicroNix

      And the Note 3 will outsell them all.

      • SA_NYC

        Agreed. Well, maybe not the X. But I’ll definitely be getting the 3.

  • Xious

    I just don’t understand it. If Google/Motorola wanted the Moto X to be the flagship, they should’ve added the wireless charging (seems to be standard in all Google devices now) and the large battery. Put those two in the Moto X and I wouldn’t even glance in the Droid’s directions. But without them, I am seriously leaning towards the Maxx. As much as I would like to go with the Moto X, it’s hard to justify passing up the wireless charging and huge battery.

  • Jeremy B.

    Will droid life be getting the review units in before the 20th? Cuz I want a full review of the maxx before I pre order it…..

    • aQuickBit

      You could pre order it and if it does/doesn’t come out before then, then just cancel the order. Better be safe than sorry right?

      • LiterofCola

        The thing is that Verizon usually ships the pre-order units a day or two before the launch date. Chances are he’ll have the phone in hand way before a thorough review can be completed.

  • Jordan Webb

    I find it amusing that their “better than the X” chart doesn’t even mention the Maxx’s biggest selling point. You know, the battery life even off-carrier people are envious of.

    • Skittlez

      doesn’t it say up to 48 hours in that chart?

      • Jordan Webb

        I meant the first chart with the Motox…I don’t see any battery mention there.

  • Al-Burrit0

    Yup already see their commercials all day everyday on the NFL Network especially.

    • paul_cus

      I noticed that, too.

  • ceejw

    I don’t know how Motorola thinks their going to sell any Moto Xs without including Droid Zap in the feature set.

    • Weber

      Or how AT&T thinks their exclusive will do well at all without all the VZW bloat plus theirs.

      • LiterofCola

        AT&T will have bloat too.

        • Weber

          Thats why I said “plus theirs.”
          Sarcasm is lost through text.

          • LiterofCola

            Ah, gotcha

    • http://www.naskaras.com/ Thanassi Karageorgiou

      they’re*

    • michael arazan

      Verizon forgot to add that they give you all the extra Bloat, I mean Apps for Free

    • Dan

      you can download Droid Zap from the Playstore.. I have it on my Razr HD with CM10.2 Android 4.3

  • Butters619

    I can’t imagine Verizon is going to sell many Ultras. Most people would easily pay a little more for the much better Maxx or save some money and go with the Mini.

    And maybe then ran into some space constraints, but leaving wireless charging out of the middle priced phone makes no sense.

    • Sean Plantz

      Truth. I really don’t see the point in that phone.

    • Jordan Webb

      My thoughts exactly. The Maxx is the Maxx…kinda stands on its own. The Mini is a freaking fantastic deal.

      • aQuickBit

        The more I look at it, the more I realize the Mini may be their best phone. I think it will definitely be Verizon’s sleeper product. Has all of the same features as the big boys, but in a smaller package so a lot of teens/small handed people will like it for the size as well.

        • sski66

          That’s what I thought but I noticed nobody has brought this up, only 2 of the 3 Droids have an OLED display, the Mini does not, so that being the case how can it use Active Display, one of the Standout features. They said Active Display does not work on a LCD display.

          • Kenton Douglas

            Great point. It’ll work, but you won’t get the battery saving benefits of OLED. If you look at the spec page it doesn’t say what display type it is (although I assume LCD), but it quotes 28 hours from a 200mah battery???

          • sski66

            O, thanks man , I didn’t know that, & 28 hours would be awesome if the #’s are really that.

    • James_75

      I don’t understand why they left it out of the X either.

      • EC8CH

        it would probably make the process of customizing the backplates more difficult. Instead of being a simple piece of plastic or wood or whatever, they wireless charging components would need to be designed and assembled in.

    • FrogVomit

      I’m going for the Ultra because:
      a) I keep my phone in my pocket, even though I hate having things in my pockets, so the thinness appeals to me.
      b) I want the 5″ screen vs the X.
      c) I’ve had a 32gb GNex for a year and a half, and I’ve never used half of that 32gb.
      d) Having lived with the horrible battery life of my GNex for so long, the Ultra battery will seem awesome to me!

      • Butters619

        Not trying to argue, but some counter points.

        a)The difference in thickness is 1.3 mm. You wouldn’t even notice that.
        b) The Maxx is 5″ as well.
        c) How many GB did you use on your G-Nex. Keep in mind a 16GB phone will only have about 12GB of useable space, so even if you only used half of your G-Nex space, that would be more than what you would have on your new phone.
        d) If you had experiences with crap battery life, wouldn’t you want to go with the phone where that will never be an issue?

        • Franklin Ramsey

          How dare you try to be rational on the internet, good sir! This is not allowed!

          • Weber

            Git yer gun n torch, Frank! We ain’t gunna stand fer this kine of ho-hum on the web highway! He needs ta know we don’ take kinely ta his types ’round here!

          • Franklin Ramsey

            If you ain’t trolling you ain’t rolling on the webz right.

        • Big_EZ

          Yeah, the only real reason to go for a Ultra over the MAXX is the price (is it $50 or $100 difference) but that’s not enough of a reason for most.

    • Big_EZ

      The MAXX should be called the Ultra, and a 5.5″ phone with all the same specs except for a proportionally larger battery should be called Droid MAXX.

    • dizel123

      I have every intention of getting the Ultra. 16GB is plenty for me. The battery wlll probably last close to a day which is plenty. I don’t want to spend an extra $100 for things I don’t care about. Every smartphone I’ve had has ended up with a red case on it…I just want a red phone, and I don’t want to wait until november(at the earliest) to get one.

  • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

    Gonna wait until the Maxx is rooted so I can continue tethering (the main reason I have the original Maxx still).

  • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

    Gonna wait until the Maxx is rooted so I can continue tethering (the main reason I have the original Maxx still).

    • battery4me

      Ditto! Bells, whistles, cores, etc. I will not compromise on battery life!

  • emoney

    do the DROID’s have more or less bloat?

    • KleenDroid

      Droid spelled backwards is bloat.

    • KleenDroid

      Droid spelled backwards is bloat.

    • James_75

      On Verizon my guess is that they will have the same bloat.

    • Adam Truelove

      The Droids will have more, plus a seriously hacked up version of Android.

      • Jordan Webb

        It’s the same as the X…What have you seen that could possibly make you think it’s “seriously hacked up”?

        • Weber

          Different clock widget completely ruins the Android experience.

          • Jordan Webb

            Oh, god. Totally forgot about that. Backgrounds, too, while we’re on the topic. Droid ruined.

          • Weber

            When my phone rings before getting to change the default VZW ring tone, I’m just going to lose it.

          • Jordan Webb

            DROOOOID *psshew* DROOOOID *psshew* DROOOOID

          • Weber

            It was fun doing that with you just now.

            Edit: No homo.

  • CW Larson

    Does anyone know when Best Buy will get the new Droid line? I want to use my $50 credit that I signed up for at the beginning of the year…

    • Skittlez

      i hope you mean for on-contract pricing, cause in my experience, Best Buy jacks up he off-contract pricing like crazy

      • CW Larson

        Yep, my family has already converted to share everything. Any ideas when for Best Buy?

        • Skittlez

          probably at the end of the month. i’m seeing Aug 20th.

          • CW Larson

            Ah, so the same time as Verizon will release in stores. thanks!

  • Verizon

    Sadly, if we had included a simple SD Card slot on the Droids you would all be saying, “X what?”

    • hkklife

      So true. I can overlook any and all of the Maxx’s shortcomings but the lack of an SD card slot is a total deal-breaker (or even a 64GB version). Last year’s Maxx HD had 32GB internal + expansion slot so it’s inexcusable (though unsurprising) for a flagship device a year later to go backwards in specs.

      • RaptorOO7

        Well we are talking about Motorola and Verizon so either separate or together you get screwed. Verizon doesn’t want 64GB devices they want you using bandwidth and PAYING big time to them. Motorola is following Google’s orders to get rid of microSD which is just stupid. Its the right place to put video content, pictures, music,etc.

        • Matt

          Ya, no SD card is more of Google’s influence.

          • Kenton Douglas

            You sure Microsoft FAT patents doesn’t have anything to do with it?

          • Jeff B.

            What’s your point? Android still has to support fat32 for external USB drives.

            Besides I use ext4.

          • Michael Farrel

            Ya, I use ext4 too. It’s a native Linux file system. Since Google got rid of USB mass storage from Android, Windows users won’t have to worry about ext4 support. It’ll get handled by the crappily slow MTP.

          • Kenton Douglas

            Why did they remove USB mass storage support?

          • Kenton Douglas

            ” for external USB drives” … also, what format do SD card manufacturers ship with? “I use ext4″ that’s fine if you want to reformat, and lose interoperability (e.g photos from a digital camera). I’m not making excuses for them, but I assumed it is a factor. Motorola is the only major hold-out that hasn’t signed with the MS protection racket (so far). Maybe I’m wrong.

          • Kenton Douglas

            “What’s your point?” … this thing: `?`, means I was asking a question rather than trying to make a point.

            “Android still has to support fat32 for external USB drives” … Didn’t know that. So it does have fat32 support built in by default? Or, is it a case of fat32 being available to use for the manufacturers (which is most of them, excluding notably Motorola) who’ve signed up for the MS protection racket?

    • enigmaco

      I think we should give up on SD cards, I would appreciate to have one on my phone and with my droid razr hd it has It. But I haven’t found a way to transfer apps to them. Tried installing app2sd and it said it was not compatible with my phone. It ducks.

      • edmicman

        This. I’d rather just have more internal storage, although 32GB seems like the sweet spot. I had a 16GB SD card with my OG Droid, with 14GB free. But I was fighting for space to install anything because hardly any apps made use of the SD card for storage. Plus it was even slower than the internal storage. Ugh!

        • enigmaco

          I have a lexar 32gb class 10 card in my phone right now, and it sucks because I can’t utilize it. Makes you wonder if it is time to say goodbye to micro sd cards.

        • ImmaDroid

          well now a days, picture file sizes are getting much bigger, game sizes, and app sizes! So 16gb on a phone is no where near enough. They should start making the min 32gb and 64gb.

        • joejoe5709

          Agreed. I’m over it. And I’m starting to convince friends that it’s not a big deal either – they’ll ONLY purchase a S4 due to the SD card. I just ask they expand their horizons and I ask that of those on this site. It’s not a big deal as long as you have 32GB. Music and videos aside I’ve never ever touched more than 20GB. 16GB is tough, but doable as long as the price is low.

          I think OTG cable capability has a lot of potential. I’d like to see a large battery pack (Anker makes some impressive ones) with 64GB of storage on board for $100 or less. Connect it to your phone as a mass storage and charge your phone/tablet at the same time. Road trips and long walks/hikes would not be a problem.

          • Alan

            Forcing yourself to accept no SD card slots is the opposite of expanding your horizons.

            Any kind of physically external to the phone storage is admitting you need an SD card slot and are just forcing yourself to suffer by carrying it around.

          • joejoe5709

            By not purchasing a phone based purely on one spec that isn’t even that big of a deal – is not expanding YOUR horizons. Did you even read my comment? By forgiving this one little omission, my phone choices are far greater than yours including the very popular Nexus line. Nexus>no SD card in my opinion.

            Sure, expandable storage has its uses mostly with media and such. But I don’t need it all the time and if it’s combined with another capability such as power supply then that’s great. It was just an idea even if it was far-fetched.

            If anything, a tablet needs the card storage – not a phone. My phone has streaming media that serves me well while driving or jogging. I don’t often watch movies on my phone and even then, NetFlix and such does fine as a time-killer. A tablet is arguably more a media device than a phone is. But even then that’s a somewhat weak argument with today’s media options.

            What I do think my main problem with the lack of SD card support is CHOICE. And I think this is what you’re getting at. I like having the choice of expansion if I so desired and it bugs me that Android, the supposedly open-source open-minded OS, neglects something that gives us that choice and they haven’t given us a really solid rebuttal. Thankfully, a larger storage such as 32GB or more gives us *some* of that flexibility we lack with no SD card. Even with a movie or two and a decent music library, 32/64GB is going to be PLENTY for 99% of consumers. I don’t think I could purchase a phone with less than 32GB and no SD card, but I’m sure many consumers will still do just fine. And either way, I wouldn’t call it “suffering”. It’s called memory management and I would recommend having a second media device if you treasure music and movies that much.

            But… such is the future whether we like it or not. And I’ve found it’s not the end of the world just like many smartphone enthusiasts. So jump onto the bandwagon and have some Kool Aid because you need to think outside the SD card box and… expand your horizons to other phones.

          • Mark C.

            Not a big deal for you doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal for others.

          • Mark Mann

            i have a razr hd, 16 internal 16 external…my internal has 9 gigs available, my external has 16 available…

          • Brent Johnson

            Good for you

          • Michael Farrel

            It’s nice that you have no use for SD cards but others may have important uses for it and hence the anger of removing features. Removing features is rarely good for the consumer.

            People will always have uses for their things that others would have never thought of.

        • Big_EZ

          32gb is perfect for internal storage. The 16gb in my Note 2 isn’t enough. But even with 32gb I still need a microSD slot for my 64gb card.

      • JPB

        I think it’s going to come to that but I have to say that a SD card sure comes in handy on long flights to Asia. I can fit a *ton* of music and video on my 64G card. Google Drive does me no good on those flights.

    • tlspatt
    • RoadsterHD1

      They did away with the HDMI out which sucks but I think or at least i heard the mini usb (like Sammy) will have an adaptor to allow HDMI video out to connect directly to an HDMI port on your TV. No SD sucks too but I’m guessing thats why Google gives you 15GB or more when you buy one of these devices to store pictures and videos. I myself already started putting videos and pics to the cloud to make up for the fact SD card is not present. Pictures look great but the Videos streaming can be better. 32GBs you can still put a few movies on the phone and after seeing them you can transfer to a USB drive and keep all your movies on that. I keep mine in my wallet. Fact is, if you ever lose your phone your “SD card” remains in your pocket or the cloud. Wiping your phone if lost does not affect your real documents, pix, and videos which remain in tact. My daughter lost her Bionic but her pictures for the last 6 years were in the cloud. She was able to retrieve them and put them back on her new RAZR. So there are advantages to the cloud. Just my take on “no SD” and HDMI port.

      • Jordan

        MHL replaced micro hdmi a long time ago.

        • RoadsterHD1

          Correct.

    • GUEST, WHY U NO USE DISQUS?

      Sadly, you are still a moron.

  • Sean Plantz

    Only thing interesting me here is DAT BATTERY. Really tho, nothing is even in the same universe as that right now.

  • jbdan

    Funny…the red check marks are why I wouldn’t get the droids over the X. That plus the gloss!

    • garrett

      because you’re opposed to kevlar, wireless charging, and 6 months of all access? yeah droid zap and command center may end up being dumb, but here’s the thing, you don’t have to use them!

      • Jordan Webb

        I dunno. The Kevlar’s not really a selling point for me either (the soft-touch is at best break-even), but the DROIDs still seem way better overall.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          “the DROIDs still seem way better overall.” is a phrase I never thought I would hear.

          • Jordan Webb

            It’s really only been the last few months that they’ve been the crappy option, and that’s just because we haven’t gotten any new ones since November. They were the best you could get on Verizon up till the very end of 2012, when the Gnex and Rezound started competing with the Razr. The Droid DNA was the Verizon spec king for a solid six months – the only phone with 1080p and/or quad-core SOC.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            My Droid Charge begs to differ with your “They were the best you could get on Verizon up till the very end of 2012″ statement. lol

          • Jordan Webb

            When the Charge released, was anything better than it? I genuinely don’t know. The Thunderbolt may have passed it for a brief moment, but then the Droid X2 landed, followed by the D3 and the Bionic and shortly thereafter, the Razr. At any given point in 2012, was there ever a point where you would have walked into a store and easily chosen something over the best Droid phone at the time? Gnex circlejerk aside (I have one, too), probably not except for possibly the Thunderbolt if LTE was important to you pre-Bionic.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            What I’m saying is the Droid Charge or the Thunderbolt both weren’t really “Good” phones when they launched. People got them mainly for LTE, but spec wise they were sub par from other devices out at the time. Plus, they should have had better batteries in them from the start. Not sure if they just weren’t tested, but the battery life was worse than a Gnex. The only good thing I can say for my Droid Charge was the camera was better than the Gnex and so was the screen quality. Beyond the screen and the LTE, pretty much any other phone out there was better at the time. Sadly, I overlooked that because I wanted LTE.

          • Jordan Webb

            Well, yeah. You got the first LTE phone to be sold in the nation. That’s bleeding-edge early-adopter stuff and the LTE apparently made it the best option.

            Curious how the screen was better than the Gnex, though. It was RGB stripe instead of RGBG, but it was 480p instead of 720. Those two things basically balance out.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Actually the thunderbolt was the first lte phone out. Droid charge AME just after it. And I have both a gnex and droid charge, the color reproduction on the charge is much better to the point everything just looks better on it. Better camera on the droid charge too, but still can’t believe how horrible the battery life was, GPS was almost never able to lock, and the single core processor with low amounts of ram killed that poor phone.

      • jbdan

        Just my opinion. Guess I’m just a die hard “vanilla as can be guy” (:

        • socarwolverine

          The Droids are still gonna be pretty vanilla. They’ve been keeping close to stock for a while now.

          • jbdan

            I should be more specific. Vanilla throughout (exterior too!). I know many love them, but it is a “gawdy” looking line of phones

          • socarwolverine

            I see what you’re saying, I haven’t noticed the Kevlar on my OG MAXX since it’s been in an otterbox, but for the caseless users I could see it being gawdy.

  • EC8CH

    No DroidZap on the X…. ahhh man!

    Reason #1 NOT to get a Droid… VZW wants you to.

    • Jordan Webb

      But the dark side has 3500mah cookies! Cooookies…

      • JoshGroff

        It’s a trap!

    • James_75

      Reason #1 NOT to get a VZW account…. VZW wants you to…… Yet people who share your logic still sign contracts or at least pay VZW monthly for service.

      • EC8CH

        I don’t have a problem getting service through Verizon… that’s a valid reason for their existence.

        I wish however, they would keep their grubby little hands out of the designs of the hardware and software of the devices that run on their network.

        CDMA must die… we need sim unlocked phones for Verizon.

        • James_75

          The X is obviously going to be a cdma phone on VZW. Further, since Motorola partners with the “grubby little handed” company why would you ever support any product motorola makes? You seem to be all about giving money to companies you think you have reason to dislike.

          • EC8CH

            I think wireless carries in the US face limited competition and have too much control over the hardware and software of the devices that run on their network. There are numerous reasons for this, but the result is higher prices for consumers for devices and service and restricted growth in mobile technology.

            Carriers should be dumb tubes and I support anything that moves us closer to that becoming reality.

          • James_75

            I see, you’re advocating force. If it’s in fact their network shouldn’t they be the ones controlling it however they see fit? The only power they have over any of us is the power our purchasing decisions give them. Further, what will make the X more “open” than the Maxx on Vzw? Honest question. Limited competition? How’s that? We have 4 carriers competing for the same customers do we not?

          • EC8CH

            Their network runs on our spectrum and the terms on which they lease that spectrum should be structured to provide the greatest good to the population in general, not just the greatest good to the largest corporate interests.

          • James_75

            If the public felt that Verizon was not acting in their interests than they would simply stop contracting for services. It’s pretty obvious they are maximizing their potential for pleasing the general population based on their annual revenues. A corporation simply cannot succeed if they fall to do this unless the government installs barriers to entry. Spectrum is a barrier until innovation changes that but in the meantime we have more than enough options from which to source our services.

            Are you saying the X will be treated the same on Verizon as it will by the other 3 main? I doubt it. Design and marketing have little to do with openness.

          • EC8CH

            “t’s pretty obvious they are maximizing their potential for pleasing the general population based on their annual revenues.”

            HA!

          • gallen408

            Sorry to disagree, but the public has no idea how the wireless industry works, they pay their bill and buy a new phone every two years and have no interest farther than that. If upset they will show some momentary outrage online only to forget about it three to six months later.
            In this day and age Iceland has it right on the money, unfettered internet access is a right, not a privilege. Considering that these cell networks are effectively renting publicly owned spectrum and than receiving government subsidiaries to build the networks out only to nickle and dime the public at every chance.
            The EU has passed some very strict restrictions on the operation of mobile operators and unlike some of their other ideas it seems to have worked out very well with providers practically fighting with each other for customers buy pricing competitively.

            “Spectrum is a barrier until innovation changes that…” What? Barring some kind of breakthrough in subspace communication or something like that, there’s some basic physical limitations, one of them being that any wireless communication NEEDS to use some band of Electromagnetic spectrum. All of which have a limited amount of bandwidth.

          • James_75

            That the public has “no idea” and “no interest” yet still continues to make the decision to consume like zombies it’s their own fault, not the company who is meeting their demands. Choosing to, or not to, think is an individual responsibility especially considering the information is readily available. Further, my point was that consumers have other choices besides Verizon yet they still, overwhelmingly, choose Verizon… so it appears as though VZW is doing something right in the eyes of their customers, educated or not.

            No product or service is a “right” as making it so places a positive obligation on someone else to give it to them. You cannot define something as a right when doing so violates the rights of someone else. Forcing an entity “or people” to provide you with anything violates their right to tell you “NO!” Saying the internet is a right and forcing tax payers to pay for your internet is a violation of my right to tell you no I don’t want to pay for you. The internet is not a right, nor is healthcare, a Porsche, or any other “thing” you thing your entitled to.

            “Publicly owned” spectrum is a problem, but not for the reasons you mention. The only viable long term solution is private ownership of all property.

          • MicroNix

            Carriers shouldn’t be controlling everything that connects to their network. Does Time Warner tell you want kind of device you can plug into their cable modems? Do you think they have a right to tell you what devices you can use with your home internet? No, of course not. So why the heck should the carriers be allowed to dictate that? It should be illegal.

          • James_75

            Verizon doesn’t tell me which devices can plug into my phone nor do they limit which devices can connect to my hot spot. You just pointed out that TW dictates which modems can connect to their “network”. How is that different?

          • EC8CH

            Your are correct that is a more appropriate analogy, however cable modems just need to be compatable with the network they are to be used on. Verizon on the other hand has control over what CDMA devices are allowed on their network irregardless of their technical compatibility. That is one of the problems, and hopefully it dies along with CDMA in the coming years.

          • Big_EZ

            I agree, but I’m scarred of LTE only phones. I know it’ll be a year or so, but I drop 4g way too often, and reliability is the only reason I’m with Verizon.

          • EC8CH

            See what VZW did to customers in the Montana area:

            http://stopthecap.com/2013/07/09/verizon-ends-at-rural-customers-left-without-service/

            I also fear when they switch to VOLTE that rural areas will see less service as that article seems to show Verizon isn’t very committed to keeping up coverage in those areas.

          • JoshGroff

            I speak with my money, that is why I’m on T-Mobile.

        • Jordan Webb

          Obviously they made some decent hardware decisions here (paired with a few potentially tasteless ones) if we’re comparing and considering their variants.

          • EC8CH

            I like the Maxx actually. The Droids have come along way now with their basically stock android, and even the carrier branding is reduced. I don’t like the capacitive buttons, but at least the are arranged in the most sensible way unlike the One.

            At the end of the day, they are still Verizon’s own branded babies and I’d rather not feed into that system of carrier controlled hardware.

        • John Zandig

          That’s strange. My Verizon iPhone 5 doesn’t have any Verizon hardware or software design influence on it.

          • JoshGroff

            Truth hurts. Wish Google had the control that Apple does over carriers.

      • Skittlez

        i pay for VZW service because you can’t beat the coverage and i still have unlimited. for $74 a month.

        • Jocelyn Lorini

          I have unlimited. Do I need to add a line? Or is paying for retail my only option?. , if I add a line can I switch the phone to my unlimited number later just asking you seem to know

          • Skittlez

            paying for retail is your only option. anything added now would have to go to the tiered data route.

  • zmancbr

    Might just be my new phone…that 48 hours of battery life has me intrigued!

    • KleenDroid

      Looks like a nice phone.

    • KleenDroid

      Looks like a nice phone.

  • Neil Fujiwara

    I think the Maxx makes sense for people that choose to not get a S4.

    • KleenDroid

      They should have made only 2 phones. The X should have a 5 inch screen, 32 gig, and the larger battery along with an sd card.

      And a smaller option for those that like smaller phones.

    • KleenDroid

      They should have made only 2 phones. The X should have a 5 inch screen, 32 gig, and the larger battery along with an sd card.

      And a smaller option for those that like smaller phones.

    • Kevin

      At least the Maxx has a little less skin on top of android, which is always a plus.

  • Mathew Colburn

    My only question is… why does the mini have wireless charging but the ultra doesn’t? Is this just to keep it as the “thinnest”? Just seems like something that isn’t that difficult to keep the phone skinny

    • jstew182

      Only other thing i can think of is to push more people to the MAXX…If the MAXX had on screen buttons, I maybe could have possibly considered it…but probably not.

  • KleenDroid

    Amazing