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Google’s JBQ Discusses ETAs on OTAs, Don’t Dare Asking About ‘em

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Google’s JBQ, the man behind the Android Open Source Project, recently took to Google+ to discuss why folks shouldn’t ever ask for ETAs on OTA updates. He explained it quite simply in that Google wants to make sure people don’t experience some catastrophe after the update, as something can always slip through the cracks during the internal test period. 

In short, it takes roughly two days after the first phase of rollouts that they can gather enough data to say if they are ready for another rollout to another limited group of users. It takes time, but JBQ is only looking out for your best interest.

Phase by phase, the OTA gets exponentially deployed to more and more people, up to a point where enough people are running it to be able to extrapolate even rare issues to the entire population, at which point the flow gets much faster.

The point of going phase by phase is explicitly to be able to stop the process in case something goes wrong, and that’s why there can’t even be an ETA.

Makes sense, right? I think this meme could properly describe people awaiting updates to their Nexus devices.

Via: +Jean-Baptiste Quéru

  • Elliot Kotis

    Poor N10 :( If you have N4 or N7 2012 stop crying and manually install.

  • cand3rson

    This is all well and good for most people, who find out about an update when the notification pops up. But when an update has been released, I expect to be able to tap “check now” and have it download and install. What’s the point of the button, anyway?

    • James Lewis

      For you to go rape your sister

  • Gary Graf

    Soooooo….when am I getting an update????

  • John
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  • dcdttu

    Wouldn’t releasing a build of Android that doesn’t fix the WiFi ARP-Offloading issue where the Nexus 4 doesn’t get timely notifications while on wifi be an instance where they should stop? I mean, the N4 hasn’t had fully functional wifi since it was introduced. It’s ridiculous.

    AOSP has the fix in place. OTA does not.

  • Mrdonbonjovi

    If you never release an update you’ll never have any issues with the software.

    • JoshGroff

      And if you mass release it and have a major bug, people will complain.

      • Justin W

        There’s just no winning with today’s crowd. Wait, there is – just release the update to the non-tech-savvy people, gather results, then announce the update to the world.

  • MichaelFranz

    JBQ sounds like your average everyday rom developer. But usually the response is for every time you ask for an ETA a puppy or kitten is killed brutally…

  • Chris

    nerds will still ask while NERDS will just find a way to force it or use a silly custom rom while in their mothers basement.

  • http://omgdroid.com/ Tony Simons

    If you’re that impatient, why not install the factory image? I had 4.3 on my Nexus 7 within minutes of its availability.

    #WhatIsThisOTAYouSpeakOf

    • http://www.hammertechnologies.net/ Chase Johnson

      Well fine and good except for the devices (like my Sprint GNex) that doesnt have image or binaries released.

    • JoshGroff

      Wait, people have Nexus devices AND wait for OTAs? What is this sacrilege?

    • 4n1m4L

      agreed. Its like they are trying to work miracles an people are looking over their shoulders asking if its done yet.

  • Justin

    On a nexus device, if you would like to force an update:
    go to settings > apps > ALL : Google Services Framework
    wipe data & cache
    go to settings > About device > Update : click the update button.

    I’ve done this with every nexus device that has come my way, via friends or my own, and it yields a 90% success rate.

    try it out.

    • Steve B

      This never works.

      • Bauce40

        60% of the time it works every time

        • ETH

          I tried this method on my N7 yesterday and it worked great.

          • JoshGroff

            I just install the factory image manually.

        • Steve B

          Exactly :)

      • Justin

        that’s how all my devices are up to date ^_^

        sorry it doesnt work for you. i wish you the best of luck though.

        Just in case you want to ask someone that i helped:
        plus.google.com/u/0/113603278716347216826/
        plus.google.com/u/0/101179879381374461423/

        • Steve B

          I update them on my own with factory images.

  • Anon

    #1 rule of CyanogenMod: Don’t ask for ETAs.

    • Trevor

      #2 rule: You do not talk about Cyanogenmod.

      • Verizon

        I think that is Fight Club.

        • Chris Schmucker

          Dont talk about it!! Jeez, wheres Tyler Durden when you need him.

          • Franklin Ramsey

            Just say his name Three times and he is sure to appear.

    • Steve B

      Every time you ask about an AOKP update, a kitten dies.

      • Taylor Abrahamson

        Android Open-source Kitten Patties?

        • Stewie

          Pate, it’s Pate … the spreadable kitten.

      • JoshGroff

        I’m pretty sure there’s some other action that causes kittens to die, could the two be related?

      • JS629

        In that case ask more and often.

  • sc0rch3d

    would be nice if we at least had the option to join the “i will sign anything i have to and admit voiding warranty to get the latest and greatest update that might cause me to have a sh!tty experience” club

    • http://www.droid-life.com/ Tim-o-tato

      It’s called the rooted/custom ROM club ;)

      • The Now Network

        Hi Tim,

        We here at Sprint value our customer’s options. One of these being the ability to modify their devices. Though it voids their warranty, you won’t be seeing us locking our devices down like Verizon does. I myself actually modify the firmware on occasion when certain OEMs don’t consider our software recommendations.

        Regards,

        Dan

        • sc0rch3d

          what? We here are Sprint value our customer’s options….? no wonder you’re losing subscribers…

      • sc0rch3d

        That’s still after it goes official. I want to be on the bleeding edge before that.

        • JoshGroff

          A Google feedback network, I like the possibilities.

  • Verizon

    I share that sentiment. Don’t ask about updates, it will only depress you.

    • El_Big_CHRIS

      Haha yup. Verizon, unleash the One already!

      • Verizon

        One what? I know not of this one you speak of. Here have a look at this Droid Ultra……

    • Lucky Armpit

      1000 Internets to you, sir. How very true.

    • AdamJay

      Don’t pretend like you know what updates are…

      • Verizon

        Knowing and providing are two different things.

        • JoshGroff

          This comment alone made my day, kudos to you.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          Damn it… That was funny. Take my up vote.

    • Blue Sun

      You’ve been in rare form today. Keep it up.

      • EC8CH

        Imminent release of the Moto X has him all up in a twitter.

        • Verizon

          You’ve got that right.

        • Franklin Ramsey

          He wants yet another device he can withhold from the masses.

    • The Now Network

      Hi @ Verizon

      When will you be upgrading your network to better handle your LTE traffic? I hear it doesn’t perform well during the peak hours. Don’t let our lack of LTE coverage get in the way of your answer.

      • Verizon

        Hi Sprint,

        When will you be upgrading your network to better handle phone calls and texting? Don’t let your complete lack of signal get in the way of your answer.

        • The Now Network

          Hi @ Verizon,

          We are actively upgrading our network. With Softbank and Clearwire, we have great things planned to better handle network capacity and coverage.

          Regards,

          Dan

          FYI: You still haven’t answered my question.

          • http://www.droid-life.com/ Tim-o-tato

            Both of you are ridiculous and I love it.

          • DanSan

            Verizon has been on his game the past 2 days. I love it.

          • Weber

            This is gonna get featured somewhere

          • Bi0nic

            It better get featured somewhere! This has been the best reading I’ve had in a while.

          • michael arazan

            If it does get featured people are going to get Cease and Desist letters for using copyright and trademarked names in false representation’s of corporations.

            Had they used anything star wars related, they would have already received them like I have seen so many times before from Lucas’ Lawyers who must spend hours everyday on the net hunting for it

          • Weber
          • Verizon

            Hi Sprint,

            So I hear you are upgrading. Do you have an estimated release date for 3G service? I know many of your customers are disappointed with their current 2G speeds. BTW, how is that Wimax thing working for you?

          • The Now Network

            Hi Verizon,

            With Network Vision, most areas have already been upgraded to better handle the capacity with 3G speeds. We have listened to complaints about our slow 3G speeds and we are solving those issues. More upgrades are currently in the process and will be done soon. You in the meantime keep ignoring my question about your LTE capacity. Our WiMax coverage has been phased out as LTE has been adopted. I’m sure Verizon would have known that by now.

            Regards,

            Dan

          • zurginator

            3G speeds on Sprint? That’s a laugh.

            Source: Still have a WiMax phone.

          • The Now Network

            Hi Zurginator,

            I’m sorry to hear your experience with us hasn’t met your expectations. However, if you upgrade your phone to one of our newer lineups I’m sure the reception will be much better. Those old wimax devices have outdated radios that don’t let you experience our updated service to its full potential. Tell any of our friendly Sprint representatives Dan@Sprint sent you and they’ll set you all up.

            Regards,

            Dan

          • Chris Taylor

            This comment battle combined with my ex signing the divorce papers… new car bought yesterday.. moto x coming tomorrow.. got invite for a cruise.. this is hands down my best week ever..

          • Verizon

            Yea, it is hard to see the bottom when you are on top. As far as WiMax being phased out, did you inform zurginator of that?

          • Verizon

            Hi Sprint,

            So sorry I didn’t answer your question before. I was preoccupied by our millions of customers, our superior coverage and not needing to be bailed out by other companies.

            As far as LTE speeds go, we are working to provide more towers and better signal especially with our future roll out of VoLTE (I know this is something you haven’t thought of yet or even have the capability for, just give it time). It is true that we occasionally have a slow down during peak times, but since we actually have the infrastructure already in place it won’t take long at all to build those areas with issues back up.

          • SlenderSniper

            Now all Verizon needs is better customer service and smarter representatives to serve their customers and not block official Google apps on their android phones and they will be set.

          • Verizon

            Actually, we have the highest rated customer service in the industry. As far as the reps go, it all depends on which ones you are talking about. If we don’t block Google apps how else are we going to install Bing on your phone.

          • SlenderSniper

            I can say that there are a few reps and managers that need to go to school to retake all of their math classes, and don’t even start me on Google Wallet.

          • Verizon

            If we taught them the mathses then they couldn’t randomly overcharge you. Google Wallet?!?!? Did you miss the Isis announcement today? Why would you need Google Wallet when I can manage your money for you?

      • EC8CH

        There’s no problem with their network. It’s just you are in a “Low coverage area and fluctuations like that are
        normal”

        • Verizon

          I told you, you’re holding it wrong.

          • http://omgdroid.com/ Tony Simons

            T-Mobile owns all of your babies.

          • LiterofCola

            Uh, no.

          • Verizon

            That is because T-Mobile sleeps around.

          • EC8CH

            No, actually you just denied there was any issue at all.

          • Verizon

            I deny a lot of things. You’ll have to be more specific.

        • CasperTFG

          Verizon is right, the antenna is located top right of your handset. Hold at the bottom.

    • CasperTFG

      When will 4.3 OTA for the Gnex?

      • Verizon

        HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

        That was a good one.

  • Ian

    isn’t there an android build prefixed with JBQ…? must be named after him :)

    • Steve Giralt

      You’re thinking of JDQ39 – not to be confused with JBQ. Google doesn’t have the same narcissism as certain other companies. JBQ – while awesome, doesn’t have a build named after him. Google names their products and model numbers after more important things Douglas Adams novels and MST3k

      • Ian

        It was a joke Steve. 0 seriousness. Thanks for the insights however.

        • Steve Giralt

          The internet is a serious place.

          • Ian

            but lolcatz….*worried look on face*

          • JoshGroff

            …are serious business.

      • h_f_m

        JBQ sounds like BBQ… it’s making me hungry..

  • turdbogls

    they do the same thing with all their apps….we, as “power users” hate this, but as a business, it makes complete sence.

    • EC8CH

      power users should be able to flash the updated factory image themselves if they don’t want to wait.

      • Steve Giralt

        Uhh – you can. All the images for Google’s devices are freely available direct from Google.

        • EC8CH

          Yes, I know. If you are a “power user” you should do that instead of waiting.

          • turdbogls

            there are power users (that would actually do this) then there are “power users” who want to do it, but either dont know how, or are too afraid….or are rooted and just have to wait it out until a flashable zip is available.