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Initial Thoughts on the New DROID Family of Phones, and the Moto X

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Outside of Apple reporting quarterly earnings numbers moments ago, the day belonged to Motorola and Verizon. With three newly introduced DROID devices at varying price points, and with a set of new demo-friendly features to show off, we had a lot to cover this morning. But as the day is winding down, I’ve got to admit that I have dozens of thoughts running through my head, all of which involve these new phones along with their soon-to-be-introduced brother, the Moto X. Let’s talk about it all. 

The Devices

Motorola gave us three new devices today that would be tough for any normal person to tell apart. Sure, a couple are glossy and another soft-touch, but in terms of specs, they are almost all identical. We’re looking at three phones – the ULTRA, MAXX, and MINI – all running 1.7GHz dual-core Snapdragon S4 Pro processors, with 2GB RAM, 10MP cameras, and 720p HD displays. The ULTRA and MAXX are clearly larger in size than the MINI, and the battery capacities are different, but again, that’s not much of a difference.

I’d have to say that the MAXX is the obvious leading choice of the three, simply for the fact that it has 48-hour battery life. But overall, do any of these devices give us a package that makes them better than the Galaxy S4 or HTC One? That’s a tough call. The specs certainly don’t scream, “We are better!” The displays aren’t better than either of those two phones. The processors aren’t as powerful. The cameras don’t have as many tricks. Maybe the user experience on the new DROIDs will be better? Unfortunately, we won’t know the full answer to that question until we can spend some extra quality time with them during a review period. Then again, I guess if you like mostly-stock Android with a half-dozen feature add-ons, you may be able to already answer that.

At this point, after having spent 20-30 minutes with all three new DROIDs, I’m wondering what makes any of these phones more appealing than the newest offerings from Samsung and HTC, two phones that have been available for months. And now that I say that, didn’t we say the same thing when the RAZR HD was released last year?

Cool and innovative or seen it before?

You could argue that the new Active Touch, quick camera launch gesture, and always-listening Google voice actions features are going to help set these devices apart from the pack. But keep in mind that Samsung has just as many if not more gimmicks like these. We can only hope that Motorola helps to make them more useful then what Samsung has done.

Motorola did bring up a new feature called Motorola Connect that they didn’t have on hand for a demo, but it sounds like one of the best of all. It’s an app or service that pairs with a Chrome browser extension on your PC to let you handle notifications through your computer. It’s not necessarily a new concept, but cool enough.

They are also introducing something called DROIDZap as a picture sharing feature for device-to-device transfers. It sounds like something you will never use, and not just because it has a terrible name. They couldn’t really demo the idea because they only had one device paired to the service, but that’s sort of my early problem with it – the setup sounds far too complicated for any normal user to want to invest much time in.

And other than those five or six features, nothing blew my mind today as being incredibly innovative. If anything, the coolest thing they talked about was their X8 Mobile Computing , which “involves eight tightly integrated processors, special algorithms, and sensors,” to create a an experience like no other phone. They have dedicated cores to manage audio sensors, others for graphics, and more dedicated to performance, all while producing industry leading battery life. But that’s all geek stuff, not necessarily mass-market consumer-focused.

What’s left for the Moto X?

If you have kept up at all with the Moto X saga, then you probably finished our DROID coverage today going, “Wait, I thought these new DROID features were all features from the Moto X?” You are not alone if you did. We couldn’t help but wonder, what’s left to make the Moto X standout after seeing Active Touch, “OK Google Now,” and camera gestures on these other phones? Sure, it’s being built in Texas and will give its users the chance to customize things like the outer casing, but we seem to be in a day and age that’s all about exclusive software features. Motorola just announced three phones that all have features we are supposed to see from the Moto X.

There better be something else in the bag.

What do these prices say for the price of the Moto X?

I think the scariest moment from today’s festivities involved pricing. Verizon plans to sell these for $299 (MAXX), $199 (ULTRA), and $99 (MINI) on 2-year contracts. We’re talking specs that don’t even come close to the HTC One or Galaxy S4, yet are accompanied by prices at and above both of those phones.

Keeping that in mind, the ULTRA is essentially what we’re looking at with the Moto X, so what does that mean for Moto X pricing? This morning, we talked about the idea that the Moto X could drop in for as little as $300 off-contract, but doesn’t today’s news worry you that there is no way in hell we are seeing it for anywhere near that price off-contract? That would be extremely unfortunate. While I fully understand that Motorola has put a bunch of engineering work into these phones, plus plans to build the Moto X in Texas, it still would seem absurd for them to charge more than a couple of hundred dollars for this phone.

Random Bullets

  • Camera shutter seemed a bit slow to me. Definitely need to spend more time with them, though.
  • The glossy backsides of the Mini and ULTRA are fingerprint machines. They also feel gross. If you hate the slippery mess on the backside of the Galaxy S4, I wouldn’t even try to touch these.
  • The back of the DROID MAXX is soft touch and feels identical to the RAZR MAXX HD. I really like that softness, just not sure I’m a fan of the kevlar design.
  • The displays on the ULTRA and MAXX are definitely OLEDs. Colors are crazy vibrant, so if you like OLEDs, you’ll probably like these. I personally didn’t mind them at all. And I can’t wait to snag the wallpapers from them, because Motorola has all sorts of new good ones in there. If you are an LCD fanboy, well then, these probably aren’t the DROIDs for you.
  • Motorola rep did mention these as being “Motorola OLED” displays. In other words, they are the only ones using them.
  • The ULTRA is insanely thin.
  • Someone at our press table asked about the bootloader – yes, it’s locked on all of them.
  • Someone also asked how much bloatware would be installed, which gave all media at the table a good laugh. Unfortunately, a Moto employee there took the question seriously, and confirmed that they are still finalizing it all. The demos units had plenty already, FYI.
  • Browsing around the phones showed no substantial lag or annoyances. All devices seemed very smooth and polished. Can probably thank this new X8 computing thingy.
  • None of these phones have microSD card slots.

Overall

At the end of today, we aren’t fully sure what to make of this new Motorola. We certainly saw three new DROIDs from them. The specs on them are not going to win any sort of hardware battle on paper, though. The phones feel like much of the same from last year, but with some added twists and gloss. The battery life on the MAXX sounds amazing. But I think until we get the Moto X, and see if it can somehow hold its own against its DROID-branded brothers, we’re already peaking one eye over the edge to see what else is on the horizon.

Of course, you’ll want to stay on the lookout for our reviews of each device.

  • getitoutme2

    All three of them are eye sores … sorry.

  • Sporttster

    No sd slot and 720p display flat out killed these for me. Guess I’ll be waiting some more. Frickin stupid Moto!!

  • http://www.mecha-digital.com/ Jason@MechaDigital

    I feel like these are legacy products Motorola had in their pipeline when Google took over and it was too late to ax them. Meanwhile the X is a Google phone, but a quick rush-to-market attempt to prove to everyone that Google is now at the helm.

    Or, there is no plan and they’re just going to keep pumping out compromised devices.

    • bionicwaffle

      No, Moto always had MicroSD, MicroHDMI, and a real notification LED on their high-end phones. I don’t know what these are.

  • NexusMan

    Kellen, Leo Laporte who attended the small, private Motorola event last week, and is bound by a non disclosure agreement, let slip, about the Moto X, that there “are features that have not been leaked.” And he also hinted to his co-host that she may want to investigate the return policy on her recently purchased HTC One.

  • Ryan Verley

    I feel like this is potentially the last of that 18 month pipeline that Larry Page was so unimpressed with at least this is my hope. It seems to me that Moto could do some serious damage to the competition and change the industry as a whole by releasing the Moto X at a $250-$300 price off-contract. And still make a profit. These phones feel so much like just New Droid RAZR’s that I feel like they’re just what’s left over.

    TL;DR
    I still hold out hope for Motorola breaking the mold.

  • CapnShiner

    Is anyone really surprised by any of this? I think this is exactly what those of us who have been paying attention to Motorola or the smartphone market in general for the past 5 years or so would expect. Motorola has stayed behind the curve since at least the Bionic and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bionic is actually to blame. The Bionic was released about 9 months after the originally promised release date (if I remember correctly). If it was released 9 months earlier, it would have been cutting edge- at least on paper. I think the same could be said about every single Droid/RAZR device released since, including the newest 3. Is it a coincidence that every single device Motorola has released since the Bionic seems to be late by the exact same time frame?

    I think the mid-range hardware could possibly be forgiven if the prices were low enough but if they want to charge as much for a Droid ULTRA as a Galaxy S 4 and even more for the MAXX, they must be high or just stupid. Nobody with any common sense would choose a Droid ULTRA over a GS4 at the same price point. Even the Droid DNA has better specs and it’s only $50. I can see the MAXX selling ok based solely on the battery life and the MINI will appeal to those who prefer smaller screens but neither will even come close to selling as well as their competition. They are just not good enough bang for the buck.

    I think the MAXX should be $199, the ULTRA should be $99-149, and the MINI should be $0-49. Those are contract prices, btw.

    • Kenton Douglas

      Name a better spec’d 4.3″ Andriod phone than the Mini? Also, it’s Verizon that’s dictating pricing (Motorola are the contract manufacturer), and they also have significant input into the design and pricing. The problem Motorola have had over the last few years is that they have been dependant on Verizon. The question is, will they change. The answer is yes, due to Google and the resources they bring.

    • Dean

      Despite the Bionic being released later than expected it was still the first dual-core LTE phone to hit the market. Hardly behind the curve.

  • Ajmcnicol

    “Camera shutter seemed a bit slow to me. Definitely need to spend more time with them, though.”

    I dont think its slow..now that you tap to snap and not tap to focus, it auto focuses before the shot probably. Assuming there is a setting to turn off autofocus and turn on infinite focus, the ‘lag’ should be gone.

    “The glossy backsides of the Mini and ULTRA are fingerprint machines. They also feel gross. If you hate the slippery mess on the backside of the Galaxy S4, I wouldn’t even try to touch these.”

    Most people use cases.

    “Someone at our press table asked about the bootloader – yes, it’s locked on all of them.”

    Give a month or two max before some Norwegian guy to crack it.

    • JMonkeYJ

      from the videos the shutter lag was noticeably slower than most devices even for the situation you describe (or at least the Nexus 4 and HTC One). and much slower than the still reigning king of shutter speeds: the GNex.

  • Ajmcnicol

    It depends on what your priorities are. Not everyone wants the fastest processor or the highest rez or at least those arent the biggest issue for them. The people that get the Maxx arent getting it cause they wanted the latest snapdragon chip..they are getting it for the massive battery. And thus to them its an even trade in specs and price..less resolution..bigger battery..etc..

    At this point, a 5 inch screen..the quality increase that is noticeable is negligable between 720p and 1080p. These arent 65 inch TVs people. And most apps and games barely are starting to take advantage of 2 cores let alone 4 or more.

    You have to remember that while we, tech geeks, are the most VOCAL..we are by far not the majority of the purchaser of phones. The general public is. To them a 1080p screen and a 720p screen is nothing when they are looking at it for 2 minutes at the store as they are comparing. 2 cores vs 4 cores…to them is “huh?”. But when you say this phone dies in 8 hours..this one lasts 48…that is something they DO know and care about.

    • chris420o

      well said

    • Adam Collins

      Yeah, but they shouldn’t be listed at $300 and $200 ON contract when there’s better phones for cheaper on the same carrier.

  • InvaderDJ

    Honestly, I’m very meh on the new DROIDs but this has ironically made me more excited for the Moto X.

    As far as the DROIDs go I think people are being a little too harsh on the CPU. It appears to spec applications like a dual core Snapdragon S4 Pro but if Motorola’s hype around the X8 SoC is to be believed it won’t perform like one. I think the way they’re dedicating CPU cores to different tasks has potential, we’ll just have to see.

    The Mini is basically everything I thought it would be. All the RAZR M needed was an HD screen, 2GB of RAM and a better SoC and it was good to go as one of the few small phones that aren’t low end.

    The Ultra like the RAZR HD before it has no reason to exist. It seems solely to exist for Motorola and Verizon to overprice the MAXX and to chase the meaningless number of thinnest phone.

    The Maxx is interesting. The new SoC seems to allow for much better battery life which is interesting since the battery life was already insane and I think most people would have been completely happy if it met the battery life of the RAZR MAXX HD. I’m also liking the built in wireless charging.

    But…that screen is just unfortunate. This phone is $300 on contract, probably $700+ unsubsidized and has a 3500Mah battery, there is no reason it couldn’t have a 1080p screen price wise or tech wise. It seems purely to be a cost cutting move. And a lot of the MAXX relies on unproven quantities. If the SoC isn’t as good as Motorola’s making it out to be and the camera isn’t any better than Motorola’s lackluster options then this phone may be a flop.

    But like I said, all this just makes me more excited for the Moto X. If it comes with this same SoC and camera and if we can get it on Verizon with an unlockable bootloader it could be a great phone.Especially if it retails around $300-$400 like everyone is rumoring.

    • Tim

      The thing to think about is…Google is not going to put a processor into a phone that will not work they way they want Android to work…also looking ahead for KLP!

  • LucasMonroe

    We still haven’t seen this “clear pixel” camera technology so maybe that’s what they’re saving for the Moto X.

  • Truth

    I saw a comment which said there is no difference between 720p and 1080p …….lol…..this is what I call mad moto fan boy…..lol….is $300 the same as $150.

    • Bionic

      This

    • Truth

      They called the red and black design similar to that of a car. No..it is a millipede

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Millipede_on_floor.jpg

    • Ajmcnicol

      The difference between 720p and 1080p on a FIVE inch screen is very very small and negligable. This isnt a 65 inch tv. At 5 inches, text is slightly cripser..slightly..but video and games look the same to the human eye at that small size.

      • Chris Hannan

        It’s a bunch of people stuck on specs or just looking for bragging rights. Pretty soon 1080p won’t be enough and people will refuse to buy a 5″ display with anything less than 4K.

        The Nexus 4 has a 720p (well, 1280×768) display, and any text that’s unreadable due to the “low resolution” display would require me to zoom in anyway without busting out a magnifying glass. Unless your nose is practically touching the glass, you can’t really see a difference between 720p and 1080p on such a small device. The only differences you’d notice between the two are, as you said, slightly sharper text and decreased performance.

      • jose

        You also don’t hold a 65in tv up to your face when viewing. Pixel density is not just about screen size, it’s about viewing distance.

    • JMonkeYJ

      i’ve had both the Nexus 4 (720p) and the HTC One (1080p) and the difference is quite noticeable.

    • LiterofCola

      Noo waaaaay……lol….

    • LiterofCola

      Noo waaaaay……lol….

  • Bionic

    Some of you can try to justify these phones all you want.

    720p at $300? That’s your thing? Ok.

    Weird unproven and hard to update 8 core technology? That your thing? Ok

    No SD slot? Ok

    As a former Motorola fan boy I am happier than ever I got a GS4.

    I paid $199 for top tier specs and an SD slot with 1080p screen and full support.

    • Render

      Answer this:

      Have you ever seen lag when opening a camera application?
      Have you ever seen lag when your phone switches radios?
      Have you ever seen lag when you touched the screen?
      Have you ever seen lag when you started playing music? Changing songs?
      Have you ever seen lag when your phone is locking GPS location?
      Have you ever seen lag when you open google now and start talking?
      How long does it take to analyze your voice in google now after you speak?

      ALL of the above is remedied by what Motorola has done…you will no longer see ANY sensor lag because it is on a separate processing unit than the application processor. This is game changing, and I fully expect Android 5.0 to utilize such optimizations and *gasp* the GS5/next generation snap dragon. This phone likely has two Krait 300 cores, and FOUR (yes, four) Ardeno 320 GPUs…just wait till you see what that actually does when Google begins to utilize them.

      I do agree with 720p on a 5 inch screen though, definitely not high enough resolution…but that is EXACTLY why the Moto X is 4.7 inches…perfect size and perfect ppi for vision based on case studies and tests.

      Moto X will be the phone to get..this new processor architecture (being a computer engineer) is not gimmick, its revolutionary and will allow for the smoothest android experience possible (yes, smoother than your GS4). And I am not convinced everything has been revealed that will be present in the Moto X yet. Nexus 5 will likely utilize a similar design.

      Sarge was wrong this time, admit it…it happens (he may have been kept in the dark or just has access to devices prior to release, which normally allows for diagnosing processor specs…but not if its a custom design).

      KBMan on Howard Forums thought the same thing (“just a S4 Pro”), but it seems he may have now changed his tune.

      • Tim

        I think your right…Google/Motorola are making these phones with the processor that will be optimized for best results and also looking to the future of Android with KLP. The prices of the Moto-X just doesn’t sound logical. Hoping for the best!

        • Render

          Google will sell the Moto X as close to break even as possible. Their motivation is to:
          1. Promote these new services, remember…Google makes money on their services, not their hardware
          2. Gain a broader Android user base…this phone priced right will be an attempt to really attack Apple’s iPhone sales
          3. Redo “revolutionary”…right now Android has had a weak year…Google knows what got them there before (OG Droid) and knows that a big splash will help them recoup from this year (what I mean by poor year is KLP delays, late nexus device, android 4.3 delays, laggy 4.2.2 releases).

          $500 million is a lot to bet on, so there are likely many other strategic/market reasons that I did not list.

      • Bionic

        What does sarge have to do with me saying im beyond happy with my S4 and im glad I didnt wait for this moto fail?

        and guess what, I DO NOT SEE LAG ON MY S4.

        • Render

          The Droid line is a failure, I agree…but Motorola/Google are not betting $500 million on the Droid line, that’s reserved for the Moto X (which means it has to have at least a few other features that make it different/significantly better than the new droids).

          Moto X, if truly $200-$300 off contract will dominate the mobile market

          • needa

            i dont think the droids are a failure at all. the verizon bloat is a failure… but other than that (internals) i think they are pretty much on point.

            they definitely arent as bad as what bionic was making them out to be. he kept saying that sarge said they are nothing to look at or worry about. but the technology in them suckers is bad ass and never done before. i get the feeling that either bionic or sarge, maybe both, are full of sheet. i have been saying it all along. today’s news only furthers my point.

        • needa

          you are lying your ass off. i know you have nova slapped on there. my brother does also. but there is still lag. there are a ton of issues with that phone. and you seem to be the only one that doesnt have a single one of them.

        • chris420o

          lair….s4 sucks everyone says it but you because you trying to justify your purchase to yourself…let it go man…let it go

        • Nathaniel Newman

          I would get the S4 if it had a better case (not plastic), a speaker that, when you play music on it doesn’t vibrate or harmonize with the body and the battery was larger without having to have a Bionic sized extended battery on it. Do I think the Motorola Maxx is a killer. NO! But I think it’s a damn bit better than the Maxx HD. It needed a faster processor and more RAM. Now it has it. Samsung seems to “cheap” to me. I’ve had a Samsung phone before (Continuum) I know.

      • Greyhame

        For clarification sake, the new Moto’s have four GPU cores, not four A320′s. The A320 is a quad core GPU.

        That said, I’m going to wait for reviews and do my own hands on tests before declaring these phones failures or stating they’re using last years tech. Shocking, I know.

        This new X8 system chip sounds really interesting and I share your enthusiasm!

        • Render

          Do you have a source for A320 being 4 cores? I cannot find that information anywhere.

  • http://www.dsaif.com/ Saif

    You missed one point. Droid is exclusive to Verizon. Moto X will be available worldwide.

  • MyStroPro

    Name me a top tier phone with 48 hours of talk time battery life? Anyone? Thought so….

    The
    pricing is COMMON for new major branded phones. Did everyone miss the
    memo that Verizon is marketing these as their top tier devices? I’m
    saying this because Verizon doesn’t pay for the ads for Samsung (S4) or HTC (One) -
    the manufacturers do instead, as part of spreading it across all carriers.
    These are Verizon phones, and are a big jump for the Droid line.

    If
    you want to say that Verizon should drop the price, that’s fine and
    understandable – but their last Droid lineup was the Razr HD lineup, released roughly a year ago (October of 2012).

    This
    phone model line doubles that model’s RAM, improves the main CPU and GPU, improves
    the MP rating of the main camera, added wireless charging and NFC.

    That CPU (8960) is sitting right between the S4 Mini (8930 – released a month ago)
    and the S4 / HTC One (8064T – released 4 months ago). If performance is on par
    with these devices, which no one really knows yet, I don’t understand
    the processor complaint people are talking about.

    The GPU chip is the same chip in the S4 / HTC One. So you can’t really complain there.

    The downside I’ve found so far:
    They lessened the PPI of the screen ironically (312 ppi Razr HD vs 294 ppi Ultra / Maxx)
    Removed Removable Storage
    No 1080 display – which is the same as the Motorola X

  • King Lo

    It’s not a Snapdragon Processor it’s Motorola’s own processor.

  • Blue Sun

    “Camera shutter seemed a bit slow to me.”

    That’s typical for a Motorola camera.

    • Ajmcnicol

      Not lag..they changed the camera from tap to focus to tap to snap. So the lag is really the camera focusing first i bet. If there is an option to disable autofocus, i think it will be instant shots.

  • StankyChikin

    I’ll wait until these things are compared in real world tests with the S4 and One before passing judgement… Better specs don’t always mean better device.. Unless you like top of the line specs and lag that is :P

  • Asmodai

    Not impressed with how the Ultra stacks up to the HTC One or Samsung Galaxy S4. That said I do think the Droid Mini is superior to both the One Mini and Galaxy S4 Mini.

  • Tyler

    I’m not sure I would choose a Droid MAXX over a DNA S (Butterfly S), assuming it comes to vzw. Going to be a tough choice this fall.

  • Nicholassss

    Not disappointed, but less than impressed.

  • Silver Veloz

    I’m waiting for the official specs and features for Moto X and see if it’s what I want. Can Samsung GS4 be in my future? Time will tell.

  • Rob Tendy

    “If you are an LCD fanboy, well then, these probably aren’t the DROIDs for you.”

    How did you miss this layup? “…these probably aren’t the DROIDs you’re looking for.”

  • S.Scott Turgeon

    I wish the droid DNA did not have such SIM card reception issues because that phone is gorgeous I went through two and that was enough it’s down to $50 and has Specs that surpass the crap Motorola shoved out today.
    I love Motorola but this dual core times 8 thing I do not get.
    I do not understand it and I will be anxious to see the benchmarks because I don’t think the ones now are accurate because I don’t think the benchmarks know how to handle this weird core system integration

  • droidrazredge

    I think I might have found something interesting while looking at the specs of the phone and comparing them to the competition. We’re wondering what the difference is between the new Droid family and the Moto X. They have “Touchless Control,” which allows you to speak to the phone without holding down a button to start your voice command. (The Moto X is always listening too, as detailed in a leaked video.) The new Droids have an “Active Display,” which can show you important notification indicators while the phone is locked, lighting up only the relevant portion of the display. (On the Moto X, that same feature is apparently called Active Updates and works in the same way.) The Droids feature “Quick Capture” for the camera, accessible with a quick flick of the wrist. That camera as a new swipe based interface too. The Moto X? By now you know that it’s rumored to have the selfsame flick feature and camera interface.

    So I went back to D11 when Dennis Woodside said the Moto X would have some sort of contextual awareness, knowing “when it’s in your pocket, when it’s in your hand” and when you’re driving in a car. From what we know so far we’re not sure if these Droids have those sensors. I went to check the spec to see how it faired to the competition. Everything looked normal until I got to the wifi specs. It list that the Droid family has 802.11n/g/b but it does not mention anywhere about ac. That already suggests the processor in the Moto X will be newer and updated Snapdragon than the Droid family. This could explain why they it could have additional seniors. I think there’s more to Moto X that differentiates it from the Droid family than we can see so far. We’ll see what happens August 1st.

    • Tim

      All the more reason to wonder if they will really sell the Moto-X at $300 off contract…just doesn’t seem logical.

      • Render

        Sure does…Google makes profit on advertising/services, not hardware.

        • Tim

          but for Verizon to let it sell at that price and be used on their network? Doesn’t Verizon have any say in the price of the phone?

          • Render

            Its not Verizon’s choice if its sold in the play store…and the pressure of it being available on other carriers likely got them to cave…think about when VZW passed on the OG iPhone…they won’t make that mistake twice on a device.

          • Tim

            I like the way you think! Sounds good to me. I can’t wait for the final conclusion.

          • socarwolverine

            It’s their choice if they’ll allow it on their network and they’ve made that mistake with several Nexus phones, and the Google Play editions of the S4 and One.

  • Droid Ronin

    There is something else in the bag.

    Other than Motorola Connect, you also have Migrate — a feature which allows you to seamlessly transfer texts, phone call logs, pics, contacts, apps, ringtones, and music from your old phone to your new Moto.

    There is also Assist — which turns on when you are driving. It acts as a bot which reads you your incoming texts and has the ability to auto-respond via text to the sender. It will also announce who is calling so that you won’t have to look down at your phone.

  • Total_telecom

    I used to be a big Motorola fanboy. But since I’Ve gone Samsung they won’t ever win me back

  • Dave

    If I still had my Droid X or Samsung Fascinate, I’d be all over this. But I’ve had a quad core 720p, JB device with 2 day battery life for 9-10 months now.

    • LucasMonroe

      What do you have?

  • BELK

    fail. i will wait for the moto x phone to come out. or just get a gs4.

  • Blake Robinson

    The only phone that entices me is the MAXX where it can finally be tether heaven with unlimited data and not have to worry about my phone dying on me… Score! Still bummed about the 720p display though :’(

  • Dave S.

    All the comments complaining about the lack of 1080p just goes to show you how spoiled we’ve become as consumers.

    Are the specs on this new line of Droids top notch?…Nope.

    Are they still (from what we can tell so far) quality phones?…Yes.

    I wouldn’t doubt that Motorola took this route (in particular 720p, 3 price points) in order to try and not lose money. That Droid Mini looks like a pretty great entry level phone for the multitude of economically disadvantaged potential customers! They’ll likely sell a sh!t-ton of them!

    Personally, I’m still on my Big V contract till mid-/late-December and I’ve got the Droid RAZR. So pretty much ANY of these three phones would be a pretty decent upgrade for me. That’s not to say I’m going to get one of them, a lot can happen in the next 5 months or so! But all in all, they seem to be quality phones and I don’t really see a problem with that.

    • Blake Robinson

      So you’re telling me that you have no problem with a phone that has a 720p display and and older processor costing the same as a 1080p display phone with a newer and better processor? Come on now Dave. I do have a problem with marketing this phone to be the same cost on contract as the GS4 or HTC one. If you don’t see that you are getting punked by Verizon, then wake up buddy.

      • Snowcrash

        This ^

      • Nick

        If you think you need a 1080p display on a 5″ screen, the you’re the one getting punked by these companies. Why do you think the processor is old? Krait300 and Adreno320 are current gen.

      • vitriolix

        I see 0 advantage of a 1080p screen on a phone over a 720p. You can’t see pixels on either, it’s just hype.

        • Nick

          The spec whores are strong on this site.

          • Yolanda Buster

            Excuse me, you should not be calling anyone a whore but your own mother. ;)

      • Dave S.

        Right, because those prices ALWAYS stay the same for the first 3 (or so) months of the phone’s availability.

        Case in point, when I got my RAZR, I dished out $300 for it.

        ONE WEEK LATER…it was $150. (Due to the MAXX coming out soon after.)

        And like I said all along, these aren’t perfect phones…but they’re decent! Simple as that.

        And your comment about me “getting punked by Verizon” leads me to believe you’re not even ON Verizon with whatever phone you’ve got, so why are you even bothering to bring that up when these are phones that will never NOT be on Verizon?

        • Blake Robinson

          Oh Dave, stop being butt hurt because almost no one agrees with you. 1) They are releasing all Ultra branded phones around the same timeframe if not identical and that shouldn’t cause a drop in price if no other Droid phones are going to be releases soon [which unfortunately happened in your case]. 2) You proved my point by calling these phones decent. Decent does not mean Top Tier phones aka (GS4 or HTC One) thus meaning they should be lower on contract than the phones with higher costing internals aka the 1080p screen. 3) I have a Verizon GS3 and I know what the hell I am talking about. I got the GS3 right before they took away unlimited data with new upgrades and if you see my other comment in this thread then you would know I have unlimited data and if you look at my profile history you will see that I have been on Verizon for awhile. 4) The high majority of people on this site use Verizon. 5) If you didn’t know the GS4 was already on Verizon and that the HTC One is coming to Verizon relatively soon then you shouldn’t be on this site.

          • Dave S.

            I’m far from butt hurt, my friend.

            1. All phones drop in price at some point. These will as well.
            2. So, I proved your point by simply restating what I stated from the beginning about these being “decent” phones?…sure, okay.
            3. Samsung has been doing quite a bit of better business than Motorola over the past few years, I’m certain we can agree on that. That leads to them being able to sell better phones at lower retail prices. Also, $300 is pretty much the go-to price for most on-contract new phones with Verizon, which, as a long-standing customer of theirs, I’m sure you’re aware.
            4. Congratulations to all of us Verizon customers, let’s start a club!
            5. Yes, I know that the GS4 and HTC One are on/coming to Verizon…that has nothing to do with my original point that people are bitching and moaning about these phones when there’s really no need to. And why is there no need to?…because if you don’t like what Moto/BigV are offering…you can always NOT buy those devices.
            Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna go shake my head at myself for going back and forth on such a pointless debate. Good evening.

          • Albert Reyna

            Since this site are mostly power users(10% of the market). Are the only ones that care for specs. The other 90% would care less if its full hd 1080p. Just tell them its hd and ready to go. So saying most people dont agree with him is wrong…lol

          • LiterofCola

            Oh you’re new to DL? /s

          • Al-Burrit0

            No I’ve been here a few months, just decide to take off my full name and change my profile picture. I didn’t like that it showed my full name.

          • LiterofCola

            Oh you’re new to DL? /s

      • maxx1987

        i think you captured the most important point. they no doubt will give a high end experience thanks to the software and unique hardware, but if you put them head to head with the other high-end devices, they offer less at a MUCH greater price. even if they had all the specs that most people consider standard for a high end phone like the latest processor and best display, to charge $300 in addition a 2-year commitment is insane. i don’t even think the note 2 was ever priced that high (at least not for long), and it is a niche device. what is verizon thinking? i love my OG razr maxx, and just the other day i told my friend i would have a hard time switching to a phone without the battery life that my phone currently allows. but when it comes time to upgrade and the droid maxx is still $300 plus 2-year contract there is absolutely no way i will pay that much for a contract device, and i will take my business elsewhere.

      • LiterofCola

        that’s what you’re fogetting though. The new X8 processor is a monumental step forward (along with the Maxx’s battery) Oh, and all of that Moto customization that everybody has been harping about the past weeks. All of the sudden “user experience” doesn’t matter because it’s on a phone that you don’t prefer? Come on dude.

      • LiterofCola

        that’s what you’re fogetting though. The new X8 processor is a monumental step forward (along with the Maxx’s battery) Oh, and all of that Moto customization that everybody has been harping about the past weeks. All of the sudden “user experience” doesn’t matter because it’s on a phone that you don’t prefer? Come on dude.

  • chris125

    These are more expensive because they want people to buy on contract. Google on the other hand isn’t tied to a carrier and is all about affordability.

  • Thomas

    Bring on the Note 3

    • LiterofCola

      Naaaah

    • LiterofCola

      Naaaah

  • EdubE24

    Why the disappointment? Did we all expect something better from Motorola? It seems we all knew what they were announcing. They are boring phones, with outdated specs, and will have very few developers to help make them any better!

  • NIGHTSCOUT

    Does the MAXX come in red as well?

    • Marcus Schoen

      Nope, just matte black.

      • NIGHTSCOUT

        Well that’s the final nail in the coffin then. 2GB of RAM? 720P screen? No wireless charging? AND not red? I told myself I would get the RAZR MAXX successor, but now I will not be.

        • EdubE24

          Wasn’t that the Razr Maxx HD?

          • NIGHTSCOUT

            Ya, that’s why I didn’t get that one either, not top tier specs. 2GB of RAM is too low. Every day, software is more and more demanding. Honestly, these new phones are a disappointment. The only thing going for it, is that 3,500mAh battery. Nothing else.

          • EdubE24

            Agree…the only one that has me wanting to spend my money is the HTC One. But I’m on Verizon, so that’s a no go.

          • MyStroPro

            I had that argument with Tim last week on the IRC – but he thought I was nuts to say a device should have 4GBs of RAM if we are looking into the future spec wise on current gen tech.

        • Marcus Schoen

          Dude, the RAZR HD didnt have red either. 2 Gigs of Ram is standard these days, I could have sworn Engadget mention it has wireless charging. You got me there with the 720p though.

          • NIGHTSCOUT

            Ya i just looked that up, they have an update on the article, saying it has wireless charging. I still can’t get past the 720P and only 2GB of RAM. In 2014, phones will have 4GB, and software will be pushing the limits of 2GB.

          • Marcus Schoen

            Any phone made today, Nexus or not, will be lucky to get more than 2 software updates. True for iOS, true for Android. 2 gigs should be fine.

          • NIGHTSCOUT

            I’m referring to APK’s. Not the OS. Have you not seen how games are becoming more resource hungry? If Samsung can do 3GB, why can’t Motorola on a flagship device?

          • Marcus Schoen

            No phones on the market have 3 gigs of RAM. The next step is 4 gigs, and yes, Samsung has a 4 gig chip ready to go.

          • NIGHTSCOUT

            The Note 3 will have 3GB, releasing soon.

          • Marcus Schoen

            Want to bet? Its gonna be 2 or 4 gigs. From what I have seen of storage and RAM, its always a power of 2. Remember your NEXUS 1? 512mb. The GS2 was 1 gig, the GS3 was 2 gig. Its all to the power of 2.

          • NIGHTSCOUT

            Actually…It’s not set in stone. It largely depends on the architecture used. They can use blocks of 192MB, or blocks of 256MB. If 192×16 is used, 3072MB will equal to 3GB. The same principal is used in HDD’s and SSD’s.

          • hkklife

            For 32-bit addressing limits, a 3GB memory spec makes the most sense for right now. Also, there have been plenty of Android devices with on-between RAM configurations. The HC Thunderbolt had 768 megabytes and the Galaxy Tab 3 8.0 has 1.5GB.

          • Marcus Schoen

            Today, as in 1 day after this comment thread started (July 24), Samsung JUST announced a 3 gig module! SERIOUSLY. And now, Im just left here looking stupid.

          • NIGHTSCOUT

            Here’s an example: http://engt.co/14FCkWb

          • Marcus Schoen

            Yea, I saw that earlier, but after I posted this stuff. I look like an idiot now.

          • NIGHTSCOUT

            It’s fine, no biggie….

  • Joel Hardman

    Is it fair to call this a phone with just an S4 processor though? Since it has 8 cores total won’t it perform significantly better than a phone with just the dual core processor doing everything? I feel like everyone is overlooking the other 6 cores and focusing in on the application chip which is only a dual core. I bet if they slapped a quad core S600 chip in there without offloading the other stuff you wouldn’t get 48 hours on 1 charge.

    • King Lo

      It not an s4 processor

      • Joel Hardman

        The application chip is the s4 pro

        • King Lo

          I see…

  • Xious

    The only thing I can think of is that it is all about this X8 thing. Maybe they figured a way of delegating cores that would not require a quad-core processor. If the X8 eliminates lag while conserving battery, then to hell with quad-core processors. But, who knows. We’ll have to see the review and see how the Moto X is.

  • LuckyStrike1944

    Is it likely we’re just seeing the tail end of the “old Motorola” product cycles? There was a lot of chatter from Schmidt, others, about how a “Google XPhone” was way off because of the development cycles. I think that these are probably the end of that process (hopefully).

    That may be why the new Droids are just iterations on the old ones. And frankly not that interesting or impressive IMO.

    • LiterofCola

      If these have almost the exact same specs as the Moto X, how would the X be more impressive?

      • droidrazredge

        Hahah I keep asking this question myself and no one seems to know the answer to it.

      • LuckyStrike1944

        Fair point. I’m still holding out hope for the off-contract price point to be the huge feature.

        • MyStroPro

          While price point can be a selling point, I don’t see how that makes the device more impressive. The device hardware and experience all look to be very similar to these Droid devices (makes sense – one dev group working within Motorola on a single set of hardware for software).

          Other than the fact it may be cheaper, what would make the Moto X more impressive?

          Body styling is a subjective thing (I hate the way Samsung phones look personally – I did not like the look of the Galaxy Nexus at all). I’m not saying these look great, but the Maxx doesn’t look that horrible. I know people like to hate on capacitive buttons though, so maybe that’s a stumbling block for a lot of people.

          Thanks for having an open conversation and attitude on the subject so far!

          • LuckyStrike1944

            Hitting the sub-300$ mark for a non-subsidized, off-contract phone (with admittedly decent but not world-shattering specifications) would be pretty huge for the phone market right at the time that the carriers are realizing they can monetize our desire for newer and newer technology (see: AT&T next, Verizon Edge, et. al.).

            Especially if Google/Moto throw the rumored 100$ million in advertising at this problem. “Do you want a new phone but are stuck in your contract? Well just go to google play and customize the phone you really want and take it to your carrier…” You can see the potential.

            That’s what *potentially* makes the MotoX so impressive. From a strictly hardware side however you’re right, it’s all a matter of preference. I happen to think it looks clean, simple, and is not gigantic, all things I desire in my phone. But I think that about the HTC one, save the last part. Spec wise, it is what these Droids are, solid but not overly impressive in anything. But for now that’s alright with me if it can achieve the above.

          • MyStroPro

            I don’t disagree at all on the price point issue – if you could change the market to start dropping prices now that networks are established (the original reason they were subsidized after all), that would be huge. I just wouldn’t pin that on a device; instead, I’d pin it on the company (Googorola).

            IMO, Samsung could have done the same thing with the Galaxy line, but they choose to sell via the current business model. If Google pulls off the upset and pulls away customers, it will be interesting. Since Google isn’t a provider, I don’t know if that will happen, but we can hope.

            Technology is innately over priced in the mobile market for sure. There is no reason my device should cost near $700. In fact, we know build prices aren’t that expensive, and that these companies should have venture capital to invest in new devices (every other kind of business has to do the same).

        • LiterofCola

          Yeah, I’ll give you that. If they do release the X with damn near exact specs a hell of a lot cheaper off contract, then yeah, that would be awesomeballs.

        • LiterofCola

          Yeah, I’ll give you that. If they do release the X with damn near exact specs a hell of a lot cheaper off contract, then yeah, that would be awesomeballs.

    • http://www.thedroideffect.com/ Damir Franc

      Am 24.07.2013 00:40, schrieb Disqus:

  • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

    I CAN NOT wait to have a 5 inch phone with 48 hour battery life. WOWZERS.

    • Dave

      My GN2 does that, and I got it 9 months ago.

      • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

        Cool, say OK GOOGLE NOW to it and see what happens.

        • Dave

          Really, if that’s all you got, I won’t bother typing any more. Have fun and enjoy your device, it’s just not for me.

        • hurrpancakes

          Tap on yours with a stylus and see what happens.

          • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

            Ok. Bamboo mini or…? which brand do you recommend?

          • hurrpancakes

            Wacom

          • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

            Right, that’s what i just said. Works fine.

          • hurrpancakes

            What about an active stylus?

          • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

            Does the S Pen work on the capacitive buttons?

          • hurrpancakes

            No, but what does that have to do with what we’re discussing?

          • LiterofCola

            Really? A stylus? Who cares?

          • LiterofCola

            Really? A stylus? Who cares?

        • Marsg

          That’s great and creepy at the same time. But let me start with this, how many people do you see in public talking to their phones? Cause I never have , while the feature is cool, I don’t see alot of people using it very often. Just look at siri , the only time people use it is either in a car or showing off the features to people who don’t have it. To me personally I see the battery life as more of a front line feature simply because its going to be used every day. Now for the case of privacy, its a phone that’s always listening on a carrier thats known to share data with the government. That preety much sums it up.

          • michael arazan

            I use voice to text functions constantly on my GNex, but for text messages and emails mostly. If I had a car with a newer stereo or bluetooth synced in to the phone I’d probably use the voice functions a lot

          • abby725

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            am blown away that anybody able to earn $4691 in four weeks on the computer.
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          • LiterofCola

            Don’t be naive, all the carriers share information

          • LiterofCola

            Don’t be naive, all the carriers share information

        • timrcm

          What happens when someone ELSE says it standing next to you? That’s a feature I’d disable instantaneously (if I cared to buy one of these… I don’t).

      • Diablo81588
        • S2556

          To be fair he said “his” note 2 which is probably not stock.

        • Dave

          Going to bed now. Up for 18 hours, still at 66%. 1.75 hours screen time today. I definitely don’t park on the phone as much as before. I still usually charge it just because I like to see it up in the 90′s for so long….weird.

      • http://www.twitter.com/nblufire12 Nathan Patel

        he said 5 inches

      • PuzzleShot

        wait, how did you get it to go 48 hours under normal usage?

        • Dave

          It is on wifi for 8 hours a day then some pretty decent use on 4g the rest of the time. Usually about 5-6 hours screen time for the 2 days.

    • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

      You really like your shift key.

    • brendanipper325

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    • brendanipper325

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    • Lucky Armpit

      Yup, looking forward to it too. I am going to wait until root is released of course, so I can perform bloatware genocide. Kinda funny the Moto employee said the amount was being “finalized”. Translation: Since this is the last of the Verizon-branded Droid phones, we’re both trying to stuff it full of as much useless crap you’ll never use as possible.”

    • Lucky Armpit

      Yup, looking forward to it too. I am going to wait until root is released of course, so I can perform bloatware genocide. Kinda funny the Moto employee said the amount was being “finalized”. Translation: Since this is the last of the Verizon-branded Droid phones, we’re both trying to stuff it full of as much useless crap you’ll never use as possible.”

  • Dan Carter

    I would chill about the prices. That’s pretty typical for Verizon ($300 GNex anyone?) Let’s see if the Moto X is sold on Google Play. If so, I’m willing to bet it will be quite affordable.

    • calum wilper

      yeah but i doubt they’ll sell one that can be used on verizon from google play

      • Dan Carter

        I agree. But if they did, THAT would be interesting.

  • s_a_m_i

    i feel like i’m back in the 2010s with all these subpar droids.

  • calum wilper

    what happened to the droid thoroughbreds? like the only one there ever was… OG BRAH

    • LiterofCola

      Because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not a great phone.

      • calum wilper

        it’s not that i don’t like it, it’s that it’s completely failed to make me form an opinion on it at all. i don’t like it, i don’t hate it. and in fairness no one knows whether or not it’s any good

  • Guest

    my thoughts

    • michael arazan

      Exactly, it is barely a bump up from the Razr HD

      • LiterofCola

        Same thing from the Galaxy S3 to the S4. Now, is it a HUGE jump from it’s predecessor two years ago? (which most people would be upgrading from) Yep.

      • LiterofCola

        Same thing from the Galaxy S3 to the S4. Now, is it a HUGE jump from it’s predecessor two years ago? (which most people would be upgrading from) Yep.

  • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

    This is Moto’s year. Can’t wait until they drop a google tv box and tablet.

  • emoney

    i think i would prefer these specs in the body of the X. It’s just a lot cleaner and looks higher quality

    • LiterofCola

      To be honest, if the X had the Maxx’s battery, then I would have gone with the X.

  • blackjaguar25

    I actually really enjoy how they implemented the notifications into the lockscreen. How is that going to look with many different notifications? A bunch floating around? Do they cycle?

  • Hunterh2

    There’s gotta be a reason why Eric Schmidt was using the Moto X instead of these. Sure they had more of a say in terms of the Moto X but it’s looking like the droid ultra is just a Moto X with an extra .3 inches of screen. There’s gotta be one last thing…

    • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

      Eh, Schmidt is no steve jobs. The one last thing is custom colors, etc.

      • kashtrey

        The one last thing has to be price. I feel the pricing of these phones point to a lower priced X, otherwise there isn’t enough value in customization and closer to stock software. The media wont be wowed if they get another Droid Ultra/Max presentation and customization has been leaked already, there has to be something in Motorola’s back pocket.

        • TylerChappell

          When was the last time a Motorola device really surprised anyone? Oh, wait….not for several years. Last years RAZRs = meh, the RAZRs before that = meh, the Droid Bionic – LOL.

          • LiterofCola

            The Razrs sold like hotcakes, certainly more than the Nexus that was released during the same period. Not “meh” at all.

          • TylerChappell

            A device can still have tons of sales and still be meh. Im fairly certain most people bought it just for the nostalgia for the ole RAZR name.

          • LiterofCola

            The Razrs sold like hotcakes, certainly more than the Nexus that was released during the same period. Not “meh” at all.

        • MyStroPro

          Value in the stock software …. so why are we suddenly releasing Google Play models of phones out there or selling the Nexus 4?

          I’m curious what you mean by that phrase is all.

    • MarcusSchoen

      I hate to say it, but if there was, the Rogers video would have showcased it, just like the Google Now feature. The only thing we dont know about the X is the price.

      Moving on to speculation, what if VZ sold the X for free on a contract? At any other price it would eat sales of the Droid line. At 99$, there would be no reason (save screen size) to buy the M when you could have something better.

      • Albert Reyna

        that is the sad part. :

    • Fred

      Doesn’t have Verizon?

      • jnt

        Probably true since I’m sure he’s quite the world traveler, and AT&T is much easier for that.

        • LiterofCola

          But dont forget that the Razrs and these new puppies are also global capable.

        • LiterofCola

          But dont forget that the Razrs and these new puppies are also global capable.

  • zmancbr

    I have to say with specs that should be the same at the Moto X and hopefully with the X dropping in under $400, why on earth would anyone buy these droids? The last few droids have been disappointing all the way back to the Bionic.

    • http://thebeeobee.com/ thebeeobee

      Razr Maxx was at the top of the consumer reports phone charts for so long. Not sure how you consider it disappointing.

      • LiterofCola

        Because HE didn’t like it, it must have been a failure.

      • MyStroPro

        Agreed – as much as people hate on the Razr, I’ve had no issues with mine and niether have the friends that bought the Maxx later on. Mine’s behaving like a champ – rooted, AOKP Rom, and all that. I would not say that the Razr line was a disappointment unless you bought into the Bionic mess.

        Spread over too many SKUs sure, but a disappointment is a bit harsh.

  • LiterofCola

    While they may not be much of a fantastic upgrade from the Razr HD line, they certainly are a monumental upgrade from the Razr Maxx. The Galaxy S4 wasn’t much of an upgrade from the S3.

    • blackjaguar25

      As they should be. Two years later.

    • chris125

      S3-s4 1 year. Droid razr maxx-Ultra maxx 2 years. I hope it would be a monumental upgrade 2 years later…

      • LiterofCola

        Yeah, that’s my point though, most people will be nearing the end of their 2 year contract when they purchased the original Razrs. These would most certainly be a great upgrade for those individuals (which I believe Verizon are targeting)

      • LiterofCola

        Yeah, that’s my point though, most people will be nearing the end of their 2 year contract when they purchased the original Razrs. These would most certainly be a great upgrade for those individuals (which I believe Verizon are targeting)

  • Bro

    If HTC had come up with these specs, we would be nailing them. But since it is Moto and Google, they get a free pass.

    • http://www.thedroideffect.com/ Damir Franc

      100% true

    • nexusplay

      HTC doesn’t run near stock Android software. Also, the chip in this phone is different than others out there.

      • Mike

        So what? Install Nova and you won’t even remember you’re using Sense

        • LiterofCola

          Not everybody hacks their phones

          • blackjaguar25

            Installing Nova is through Google Play. Not a hack.

          • Dave

            What are you? Some kind of Android guru with your hacks and all? LoL

          • Dave

            What? It’s in the play store.

          • KleenDroid

            Wow. I am shocked at how uninformed that statement was. I thought you’ve been around.

          • LiterofCola

            Haha, yeah I’ll take that hit. I forgot about Nova, even used it once. Had a brain fart. Hell, I can admit it!

          • LiterofCola

            Haha, yeah I’ll take that hit. I forgot about Nova, even used it once. Had a brain fart. Hell, I can admit it!

          • S2556

            No hacking needed for Nova. Just a google play account and internet access

        • TylerChappell

          This is true, I use Nova on my Droid DNA and I don’t miss Sense a bit, but still get to enjoy the handful of Sense features I like such as the Weather app and camera software.

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      I’m just shocked, I think. 720p displays and older dual-core processors in 2013…and those prices? WTF?

      • nexusplay

        Is that all you pay for in a phone? That is’t the only thing that makes up the cost or value of a phone. Not to mention, these are Droids on Verzion, they price them at will.

      • blackjaguar25

        I’ll take it for the battery though. Much more important to last all day (or more) while being able to make phone calls and check email than to hover my finger over a camera to swipe through my gallery and have the phone be dead by 4 pm.

        • kkanemt
          • blackjaguar25

            Exactly. I wouldn’t even be thinking of a new phone yet if my SIII got rid of the wacky features and instead packed a 36 hour battery.

        • TylerChappell

          Let’s see, if battery is the only thing that matters…then Droid MAXX with 3500mAh battery with 32GB storage and no microSD for $300….or Galaxy S4 32GB for $250 + 1080p screen + microSD slot + ZeroLemon 7500mAh battery for 3-4 days of usages for $293.

          • blackjaguar25

            Better radios are also important. I never said the battery was the only thing that mattered.

          • TylerChappell

            Valid point, Samsung radios have been shown time and time again to be absolutely terrible. My brother’s Droid Bionic has done better than my dad’s old GNex, my dad’s current GS3, and my mom’s current GS4.

          • emily

            That’s it…. Compare it to my Galaxy Nexus 32GB + General Electric Powerplant in my pocket for I don’t even know how many days of usages (but it’s way, way, way more than 3-4 days) for a gazillion and one camel hairs.

          • emily

            That’s it…. Compare it to my Galaxy Nexus 32GB + General Electric Powerplant in my pocket for I don’t even know how many days of usages (but it’s way, way, way more than 3-4 days) for a gazillion and one camel hairs.

      • guest

        It has same GPU as s4 and HTC one , Thats the main thing to make your graphics work smotthly .. Im computer architecture grad and we analyzed how linux/android work on SMP(multi cpu machine machines) cpu 3 and 4 are never really gets used by the scheduler they are just there for marketing gimmicks, Infacts it a current drain hit when they get woken up for the few seconds of work they do once in while, Basically Operating system/sw is not optimized yet to run on multi CPU architecture and make use of it without draining battery. But I understand where you are coming from this doesnt matter to the consumer all they want to know how many cores it has ..

        • Steve

          Been saying that a lot too. 4.3 seems to let Android sleep more and use less battery life. No doubt we can thank motorola for the modifications.

          Do you think android will ever gain parallel core support like parallella has displayed in their kick starter campaign? Our mobile processors could implement a thousand cores to do slight parallel Computing to get up to 10x the speed for certain calculations. That would be amazing.

      • Marcus Schoen

        Kellen, this is Jha’s phone. Remember? No wonder it doesn’t hold a candle to more recent devices. It has been in the pipeline for, well, 18 months.

      • Nick

        Krait300 and Adreno320 is old? Come on man, the specs on this phone are current gen on par with other flagships. You’re doing a disservice by saying that this phone just has a Snapdragon S4 pro.

      • JoYu

        Why is everyone complaining about the 720p display? If I can’t tell the difference between a 720p vs 1080p 52″ plasma (by the same manufacturer, same class) at a few feet I sure as hell don’t care if my smartphone has 1080p. I prefer 720p leaving the cores to do other work and hopefully better battery life.

        Someone enlighten me please.

        • http://twitter.com/geoff5093 Geoff Johnson

          Ugh, you post this same thing everywhere. Just because you have bad eyes doesn’t mean the rest of us do.

          • http://fandroidspin.com/ Larinx

            LOL…Easy, guy.

          • Diablo81588

            Spec whore. You can’t tell the difference either.

          • wynalazca

            Umm… what? I’m willing to bet he can. Because my eyes suck and I can tell the difference. I think you people are just ignorant.

          • wynalazca

            Umm… what? I’m willing to bet he can. Because my eyes suck and I can tell the difference. I think you people are just ignorant.

        • Craig

          The thing is, I was hoping this phone would have specs that would last an android enthusiast like me a good while, maybe not 2 full years, but longer than a year.

          With a 720p display while other products that have been out for months already having better displays, these phones are disappointing. These phones won’t stand the test of time of an android enthusiast like me on big red.

        • S2556

          You haven’t seen the device, yet you are telling the person who HAS seen the device and every other device on the market his opinion is wrong and you know better (blindly). It may very well be fine for you but for many people it may not. That’s up for them to decide. That’s the beauty of Android, we all don’t have to agree on the same phone. :)

        • wynalazca

          Umm… me thinks you are blind. I can tell a 720p vs 1080p TV from across the room without trying.

          When you hold two phones with the different resolutions next to each other and go to a web page that has a lot of text on it, you’ll easily see how much sharper the 1080p display is. You may not be able to see pixels, but the text will be WAY clearer and easier to read.

        • wynalazca

          Umm… me thinks you are blind. I can tell a 720p vs 1080p TV from across the room without trying.

          When you hold two phones with the different resolutions next to each other and go to a web page that has a lot of text on it, you’ll easily see how much sharper the 1080p display is. You may not be able to see pixels, but the text will be WAY clearer and easier to read.

        • timrcm

          If you can’t tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 52″ screen, you shouldn’t be posting here – you should immediately be making an appointment with your nearest optician.

    • LiterofCola

      Who around here has ever given any Droid phone a pass since the d1?

      • KleenDroid

        The D1 was the first and last in my opinion. Locked down junk ever since. You don’t have to agree with me… Just my opinion.

        • EC8CH

          I don’t have to… But I do.

        • timrcm

          Yep, even the original Droid X doesn’t compare because of how locked down it was.

      • http://www.skial.com/ Tom S

        I have to say, Farva, that I’m actually pretty happy with my RAZR HD MAXX. Not to say that everybody would agree with me. However, it does what I need and it’s usually pretty snappy.

        • Higher_Ground

          if I had an upgrade available at the time, that’s where I would have headed.
          I thought Samsung’s upgrade seemed incremental when it was first announced too, so I can’t say it’s only Motorola that seems to be spinning its wheels. I guess things only seem spectacular when compared to what you have, not what else is available nowadays.

      • Raven

        I still love my Droid 4 and I will probably use it until it dies as I don’t see any more physical keyboard Droids coming on the horizon.

      • Higher_Ground

        gave the DX a pass… but it was the last straw, lol :)

    • kashtrey

      They don’t get a free pass, they get a “let’s wait and see what the experience is like.” If the specs are bad and there are little to no noticeable gains on experience then this will fail.

      There’s some trust that Motorola can be the first company on the Android side to say “the hell with the spec wars we’re gonna focus on creating the best experience” and actually nail it in execution. They’ve burned us a lot though, so we’ll see.

    • Truth

      Well said. 720p …. and these jokers are pricing them at premium.

  • Bro

    You mad bro