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Verizon’s Motorola XFON Hits the FCC as Model XT1060

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Remember the Motorola device by the codename XT1060 that we reported as likely being Verizon’s variant of the XFON? It cruised through the FCC today, sporting Verizon’s LTE band 13 and CDMA frequencies. It also supports GSM bands as well, so the device can probably be taken overseas on a global roaming journey, like many of Big Red’s current lineup. No other information immediately stuck out to us from the filing other than WiFi of 802.11/a/b/g/n/AC, but this does indeed confirm the phone’s existence and the model number. 

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So now we have the XT1060 headed to Verizon, XT1056 on its way to Sprint, and the XT1058 headed to AT&T. Now we just need T-Mobile’s to stop off at the FCC and we’ll be primed for a multi-carrier simultaneous launch. How does mid-June sound? Rumors, just rumors.

Mid-range phone or not, we should all be interested in whatever it is that Motorola has cooked up for a mid-year launch. Even if the specs disappoint, this may be our first look at the software approach that the new Google-powered Motorola has in store for the future.

Via:  FCC | Blog of Mobile

  • obbviousman

    If those leaked pictures were true, this sure ain’t the next Nexus

  • Steve

    I think Motorola XT160 STILL IS NOT Motorola Xphone.

    Xphone is going to be something very interesting.
    And it is currently in the works.

    Google-Motorola awesome device = YES!
    Designed and assembled in the USA = YES!

  • DoucheBag

    TinyDickTim can lick my GNex, FN Apple Fan boy BITCH!!!!!!!!!! GN DroidTh3ory ROM…. Smooth as TinyDicksTims mom ass….

  • mikeym0p

    I have a question about the radio bands. AT&T supports 3g UmTS/HSDPA 850/1900. This says WCDMA/HSPA. I know HSPA is sometimes written as HSDPA, in theory if this phone was sim unlocked. Could the bands be used to connect to AT&T or another GSM carrier with the supported bands? Software limitations aside, just the hardware I’m asking about.

    • WickedToby741

      I can’t speak strictly for this phone, but I know the iPhone 5 and the DNA have unlocked GSM bands that are AT&T and partially T-Mobile compatible if I remember correctly. And it was with those phones that Verizon stopped putting a software lock on using the phones on US GSM carriers. No LTE support for US competitors though.

    • Patrick Hermey

      if i remember correctly, verizon said late last year that every phone they get from now on will be world phone compatible. like wickedtoby said… the iphone5 and dna will do just that. partially on t-mobile means you will be using 2g data. but you should be able to insert any sim into the verizon xfon and it work anywhere in the world. but also as wt said… the lte bands will be verizon specific in the us.
      the lte part will change next year when oems start using the new qualcomm setup that has every lte band worldwide (21 i think) on a single chip. at that point… there should be no more waiting on verizon to get the latest and greatest.

      • Steve

        It has T-Mobile’s LTE band 4.

  • troy studnicka

    No thanks not going backwards my s4 rocks. Google and moto needs to have the same if not better specs than the s4 for me to switch. 4.7 inch screen dual core no thanks

  • Steve

    Is it just me, or does this model also include T-Mobile LTE band, and GSM bands minus AWS? Too bad they didn’t add that and they could’ve used one model for multiple carriers.

  • TheDrunkenClam

    So wait, this is the Xphone everyone was saying was their super secret killer of a phone?

  • WickedToby741

    I think we’ll see a GSM/LTE Nexus edition of this at launch. It fits with the rumors that Google was also going to sell it unlocked via the Play Store and makes perfect sense why they even rolled out the Nexus edition program. Now Motorola can make Nexus devices without Google upsetting their other Android partners. Let’s keep this Nexus edition train going. We have the Nexus edition GS4, the Nexus edition One is all but confirmed, Nexus edition Motorola devices are a safe bet, now let’s see a Nexus edition Optimus and Xperia.

    • Patrick Hermey

      im sorry but you do understand what a ‘nexus’ edition is right? a nexus is a phone where they take all of the cheapest parts available and slap them together, while cutting every corner imaginable, to make a phone that developers and test on. a phone that they can put a cheap price tag on and still make a profit.
      these ‘google’ or ‘stock’ or ‘vanilla’ edition phones…. whatever they need to be called to differentiate themselves from a nexus are not nexus phones. dont expect moto to sling out phones for two bills because the rumored soc is not up to the same specs as the nexus. as i doubt there will be need for software to throttle the soc to keep it from frying like the nexus has.
      this is me… annoyed at all of the misinformation being thrown around and picking you to explain it. apologies.

      • WickedToby741

        I would have to disagree about the Nexus phones being devices being devices that Google cuts corners on. If they just cut corners on them and they were geared purely towards developers they wouldn’t have put the fancy back glass on the Nexus 4. Nexus devices are certainly made with developers in mind, but you’re the one misinformed if you think they’re strictly developer devices.

        And yes Google has incentive to offer the XFON cheap through Google Play like an actual Nexus phone even if it isn’t strictly speaking and is just a Nexus edition device. Google wants to pedal as many of these as possible because they want people using their services. Unlike other manufacturers, they don’t have to make their profit off of the hardware sales because Google also provides the services. And they wouldn’t pack it with last year’s specs and expect to slap a $500+ price tag on it.

        I realize there’s a difference between a Nexus device and a Nexus edition device, but for all intents and purposes they could easily be one in the same for Motorola since Google owns them

        • Patrick Hermey

          ill touch on the very last part and stop there. moto needs to be a solvent entity. google cannot keep shoveling money over to moto. they have stockholders to account for and google must figure out a way for their 12 billion dollar investment to start turning a profit. they cannot do that with a two hundred dollar phone. they cant even do it with a three hundred dollar phone. when it comes to moto… google services on a device are not part of the picture.

  • bananatroll

    Am I the only one that is beyond caring about cores, screen size and a resolution that matches my PDP TV? Seriously dual core is enough, and add in 2gb of ram, a camera with AOSP software and stock Google…

    SOLD to the guy in the banana costume.

    • WickedToby741

      Well the really great news is that there a decent likelihood of a GSM/LTE Nexus edition of this being sold through the Play Store for cheap. I don’t know how low they’d go, but this has lower specs than the Nexus 4 except LTE, so you would imagine it would command a lower price. You may be able to buy this sucker outright for like $200 and be rocking contact free LTE from T-Mobile or AT&T.

  • jbannach

    I doubt every US carrier would agree to sell a mid-range range from moto unless there was a good reason. Why would VZW pick up a non-flagship speced phone that is also going to ATT and Sprint (and most likely TMO) unless they felt to HAD to?
    It’s probably not the phone for people on a tech blog but this “my phone is better speced than your phone” war is really dragging down android. No other platform cares so much about the specs on their phone… It’s sad that people feel they need specs to justify their phone purchase. But that’s how the OEMs have conditioned people, perhaps Google/Motorola wants to try and change that? Because no-one will beat Samsung in a spec race.

    • Jbannach

      And frankly the next innovation that matters will not be a faster CPU with more cores or a bigger screen. It says a lot that people can’t see beyond what they want their phones to be able to do in the future beside run faster or look sharper.

    • Patrick Hermey

      while i wholeheartedly agree…. the better the specs the longer it takes before you feel like you need to get another phone. the better the quality of parts making up the guts, the longer it takes also. i dont want to upgrade every six months or every year. i am coming up on two years, with no contract in the way, and i am looking for the best phone with the best specs with the best drop test results. i have no plans on buying until i find the perfect phone.
      but i absolutely need top specs to justify my purchase. i dont want to buy a phone that i know i will have for a while and it not be able to handle anything i throw at it down the road. <— just another way to look at it.

  • sc4fpse

    Geez, that diagram scared me for a moment. 850/1900 GSM is used in some countries, but most countries don’t use those frequencies. 900/1800 is what you really need for a phone ready “be taken overseas on a global roaming journey.” Thankfully, after some digging in the FCC docs, I did find that the phone has 850/900/1800/1900 GSM. :)

  • Travis D

    Threw this comparison together, It’s looking like a 4.7in display based on the external dimensions from the Sprint FCC leak:

    http://i.imgur.com/TABj6FS.jpg

    • Patrick Hermey

      yah if they keep the bezels minimal… 4.7 is what i am predicting also. i posted on engadget the other day… its pretty much half way in between the 4.3″ razr m and the 5″ gs4. but i said 4.5 down below to be on the safe side.

    • WickedToby741

      So dual core S4, 2 GB of RAM, 720p ~4.7″ screen, and LTE. In other words pretty close to GS3 specs. I can work with that.

  • Patrick Crumpler

    Basically this is a rebranded RAZR HD. With color options. Hoping it is just a placeholder for a real phone in 2014. I’m with the others on here. vZW has nothing I want right now, besides to cancel my contract and go get a HTC One elsewhere. This Motorola lull is painfully slow.

  • UserDemos

    @Bionic Can you confirm if this will come to T-Mobile? We desperately need ANY Motorola love.

    • Bionic

      Yes

  • Nkd

    If it is indeed using wireless AC, it’s got to be using one of the newer qualcomm chips. I don’t think the older gen used AC module. Motorola might just surprise us with specs.

    • samari711

      I thought I saw somewhere that Moto was using their own radios

  • https://twitter.com/#!/MMcCraryNJ Michael McCrary

    Does anyone know what Verizon’s deal has been lately?

    I was a T-Mobile subscriber from 2002 onward…basically, when they bought out Voicestream and started offering the Pocket PC Phone Edition, which if I can recall, was the first non-Palm PDA to have cellular radios.

    …Until I moved to a different part of the country and my service went from great to lousy. I switched to Verizon the day the GNex came out in Dec of 2011. At that time, Verizon was THE place to go if you wanted high-end Android. None of the carriers could even come close (RAZR/ReZound/GNex). All great phones at the time, all different, something for everyone.

    It’s a year and a half later, and aside from the S4, Verizon hasn’t had a major release since, what, last November? I love the network, no dropped calls, and data speeds are frequently above 40 Mbps for me with very little ping time…but there are such slim pickings in terms of devices. What the hell happened?

    • samari711

      Victims of their own success, maybe? It’s clear they’re pretty stuck in their ways and still want a ton of control over the phones on their network, and they’re big enough to push the vendors around. AT&T got broken of this mentality to some extent because of the exclusive deal with Apple early on, and the other guys are hungrier to please their customers and are in less of a position to play hard ball with the manufacturers.

      The control Verizon wants comes with a lot of additional overhead per device and it hasn’t scaled well. It’s not unusual for updates to be done and handed over to Verizon months before it finally hits OTA. It doesn’t hurt them too much though; people here are probably the most demanding type of customer and the consensus seems to mostly be “I hate Verizon but I’ll put up with them because their network is so much better.” If anyone else starts providing reasonably close LTE service as them though, they’ll be in a lot of trouble and it’ll be too late to fix the problem.

      • Doug Wing

        I agree with you, but would point out that China’s state run “China Telecom” is the world’s largest CDMA carrier and poised to grow even more. But yes, GSM will remain the top priority for high end phones.

        • samari711

          you learn something new every day. I imagine that operating in China poses it’s own set of unique challenges.

  • chris125

    If it is less than $300 off contract I would be interested. Otherwise no thanks

    • Bionic

      As far as i know, that isnt in the cards. Could change with a simple phone call from google, but i doubt it.

  • Thomas

    So this is the X phone ? Great job Google…great job.

  • http://www.hypable.com/ Joshua Nealey

    Man, if the S4 didn’t have a physical button I’d buy it. Still waiting on anything that resembles my Gnex.

    • JDawg

      Exactly what I was thinking. I want on-screen buttons and something farely close to stock Android. Not parting with my vzw Galaxy Nexus until then!

      • Bionic

        I would wait for it but no one knows if it’ll be on verizon, also im ready for a phone now, not this winter.

        • Jonathan Williams

          Sorry to break the news to you, Bionic, but I saw one of your bros broken on the sidewalk during a run today. I’ll give it a proper funeral.

      • tyguy829

        in the same boat. My gnex’s charging port is having problems so i need something soon

        • JDawg

          I’ve had that issue every couple of weeks. Mine has just been really slowing down and the power button doesn’t respond occasionally. We need something really soon!

        • ah42

          Mine has been having issues too. I think it’s because I put it in a dock to charge at night. It sits upright, and it’s gotten looser over time.

          • Patrick Hermey

            its like eight bucks to get a new usb flex shipped in from china. if the gnex is anything like the exynos gs2…. its about a five minute job to fix. maybe ten if you are unsure of what you are doing.

            just saying…. eight bucks is cheaper than eight hundred. read: phone and accessories.

          • tyguy829

            already replaced it about 3 months ago. starting to fail again

          • Patrick Hermey

            that sucks.

        • EraserXIV

          I have an issue with the charging port too. There’s no usb cable that seems to be able to get a good hold of it. Samsung probably skimped on materials for it and it’s gotten loose over time. This is actually one of my biggest issues with the phone to be honest. Sometimes I wake up with my phone uncharged because the connector fell out in the middle of the night. Terrible way to start the day.

          • Bigsike

            The blackberry premium charger is the best one I’ve found as far as a tight fit. And since it charges at 1.8A you get a much faster charge. It’s pricey but well worth it.

          • Diablo81588

            You’re gonna ruin your battery charging at that rate. I wouldn’t use more than a 1 amp charger.

          • Bigsike

            Oh no absolutely not, the GN as well as a lot of phones is fast charge capable but most chargers are junk and only charge at 1amp or less. It’s totally fine to use and you are just short changing yourself using anything less. Now if it’s the price that gets to you I totally understand that. I wasn’t happy about it but it’s performance is second to none.

          • Diablo81588

            There’s a reason they only charge at 1 amp, called heat. It has nothing to do with cheap chargers. If you charge a battery too fast, it will overheat and shorten the life.

          • Bigsike

            Lmao no there is no issue with heat the only issue you have is you have no access to your data via usb when fast charge is enabled. But no it’s not going to blow up catch on fire or make your phone dial 911.

          • Diablo81588

            I never said it would catch fire, just that it would shorten the life. Whatever, ruin your already pathetic battery life, makes no difference to me.

          • Brandon Golway

            Not true, I asked my father about this before (he’s been an electrician for over 40 years) and he says it only draws what it needs. You could have a 5 amp charger connected to a 1 amp phone and it will only draw 1 amp from it because that’s all it needs. Amperage is just the “pressure” behind the wave, voltage is what kills the battery.

          • Diablo81588

            You are correct in your answer. However, you missed my point. Charging at 1.8 amps will heat the battery, in turn shortening the life. Even if the phone won’t draw 1.8 amps, what’s the point of having a higher capacity charger in the first place? Your wasting money either way, and harming your battery in the process.

          • Toney

            Try the old Moto USB cord from the OG Driod/Droid 2. Its thick and holds well in the G-Nex

          • Brandon Golway

            My roommate’s and my Gnex’s had this issue too, there was only like one cable out of the ten that we had that worked for both of us. Now I have the S4 and he has the S3 and we don’t have that problem! I’ve actually had this problem with multiple phones, I don’t think it’s crappy hardware, I just think it’s due to fatigue and gets loose when you connect it and disconnect it multiple times a day for a year or two straight. I actually had the bend the housing for the female part of the USB connector on my OG Droid to get the cable to stay in again.

        • bassman418

          I Loved my Gnex. Still have it and will never sell it. BUT with that said the Galaxy Note 2 was the best decision I made. I Love it. And it fixed things for me the Gnex fell short of like battery life, SD card slot and camera. And with it rooted and Beanstown106’s Jellybeans installed I have everything stock AOSP I want and the extras for TW I want as well. Couldnt be happier.

        • ToddAwesome

          Ditto, I’ve gone trough 3 charging cables, seems like they get loose and stop working, as the old ones work on my other phones.

      • Duan Diehl

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        • Good Guy Greg

          Go jump off a bridge.

      • Brandon Golway

        Get an S4 and root it, then flash ReVolt. That’s what I did and it’s an amazing phone and it looks so great stock….or you could always get the Google Edition S4. I had a Gnex for a year and while the customization of on-screen buttons are nice, they take up screen real estate (even though you can hide them and use Pie/LMT) and I’m not a giant fan of them. The buttons on the S4 are just fine and the home button doesn’t really bother me (I’ve NEVER had an iPhone if that’s what you were thinking lol).

    • Bionic

      LG nexus 5 woud probably be your best bet.

      • mjmedstarved

        Unfortunately.. this man it probably right. :/

        I just got my VZW GS4 this Wednesday(love it).. and will sell it instantly if Google/Motorola actually launch a badass nexus.

        • Brandon Golway

          IDK if I would. I just got the S4 on Friday (coming from a Gnex also) and I don’t think there’s any phone currently that would make me sell this bad boy. The S4 is/can be a nexus, all you’ll have to do is load the Google Edition ROM on it or just put an AOSP rom on it. But then again you may have some difficulty with it since yours is on VZW and I just got mine on T-Mobile (I’m ditching Verizon, even going to pay the ETF fee!). I’m extremely happy with my S4, I haven’t stopped gushing about it yet!

    • Tim242

      You won’t care about the home button after a few days.

      • EC8CH

        oh yes I would

      • Brandon Golway

        This. I went from a Gnex to an S4 and the home button doesn’t really bother me one bit. All the other features of the S4 overshadow it completely. It’s also nice to have a tactile feel to know where the button actually is without having to look at it. It’s not as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

    • http://www.elliottblufer.com Elliott Blufer

      As someone who went from not having a physical button (Bionic) to this…you’ll get used to it. I still like no having a button better, but it’s a great phone.

    • Weber

      http://shop.sprint.com/mysprint/shop/accessory/ao_details.jsp?accSKU=64800058&accCatId=acc9002cat
      For those of you with a VZW or Sprint GNex, the extended battery (NFC) is free, minus the S&H ($6.50/ea). I bought two. The battery door fits my toro. Add it to your cart and see the price.

      • http://profiles.google.com/joepfister Joseph J Pfister

        In for 1! Great find. Thanks for sharing.

      • Larizard

        Should work with VZW, too, right? And where does it say it has NFC?

        • Weber

          It actually says it on the battery.
          Idk why it would only be open to Sprint customers. I bought two just fine for a total of $13

      • Larizard

        OK i just got double-charged and when I called Sprint customer service, they’re telling me that it is only open for Sprint customers.. but why was I able to place the order to begin with??

        UGH.

    • http://twitter.com/TayDee1 Taylor Daniels

      So one little button affects you from buying it?

      • http://www.hypable.com/ Joshua Nealey

        On screen buttons are more incredible than people realize. Google always has the best ideas when it comes to software (except for possibly camera software) and the hardware companies should be following them as closely as possible.

        Until then, we’ll always be looked at as the bastard child of smartphones, no matter how much of the smartphone pie Android occupies. Everyone with an Android device has such a radically different experience, that we simply can’t relate to one another – which is essential to creating a proper ecosystem.

        I try to use my brother’s S3 and I’m often stumped because the UI is so different and the settings are so different. I try to help my Mom out with her LG Spectrum (she refused to listen to my purchasing advice) and it shouldn’t be that way – that scares away potential users.

        There’s a difference between allowing customization and being able to switch from one Android device to another without spending a week figuring out a new UI. It’s one thing Android should take away from Apple, simple transitioning.

        • MicroNix

          So you pick on screen buttons and lose screen space over the physical button and gaining more screen space? Time to get over it. That definitely isn’t something to pass on a phone for with everything else the S4 has going for it.

          • LiterofCola

            No, because to some people out there, the physical home button is an intrusive eye sore to an otherwise decent phone. So to tell some people to “get over it” isn’t going to cut it due to the fact that to them, the home button is friggin’ stupid.

          • geedee82

            The best part about having on screen nav buttons is that you can make them disappear whenever you want to go full screen. Even in stock android the buttons will automatically disappear if your watching a video, using the camera, looking through pictures, or even while playing certain games, other things too. So the whole losing screen space argument is a total non-issue. It doesn’t matter if your home screens are a half inch shorter, in every situation where screen space is actually a factor, the buttons automatically disappear, plus all root/rom users can just get rid of them anytime they want to go full screen. Not to mention all the customization options that come along with on screen nav keys like changing the size of the buttons, changing the color, changing the order, the height, the width, adding more buttons, adding widgets, the list goes on and on. And with on-screen keys, you can still have the big screen but with a smaller overall phone size, those hardware keys take up space too.

            After using a Gnex with custom roms for the past year and a half (and a Nexus 7) I am never going to go backwards to a device with hardware keys. So in my case, as well as many others, it definitely IS something to pass on a phone for, even with everything the S4 has going for it. Eventually something will come out with similar or better specs, AND have on-screen keys, until then, I got no problem just stickin wit my Gnex.

        • DoucheBag

          Oh go FAWK yourself N!gga… B1tch please…

          • Brandon Golway

            Your name is appropriate also you need to revisit English class….

        • Brandon Golway

          They are a great feature that offers customizations out the wazoo but they aren’t a killer feature that I have to have. I had the Gnex for a year and loved the ability to rearrange the buttons and add and remove the ones that I wanted, but after getting the S4 on Friday I don’t mind the physical home button and other soft-touch buttons one bit. It’s actually kind of nice to have a tactile button because you always know where it is without having to look.

          Saying you’re not going to buy an awesome phone just because it has a physical home button is like saying you wouldn’t buy a Bugatti Veyron just because it has a “push to start” ignition instead of the standard key ignition.

          • http://www.hypable.com/ Joshua Nealey

            As someone who knows quite a bit about Bugatti, that is a terrible analogy.

    • Destroythanet

      As a former GNext owner, I dislike the physical home button on my GS3 and GNote 2, but it definitely isn’t a deal breaker.

    • LiterofCola

      I’d never buy a phone with a physical home button, I don’t care who makes it.

    • Brandon Golway

      I just got the S4 and the home button doesn’t bother me one bit…and I came from a Galaxy Nexus. Everything about the S4 completely overshadows the presence of the home button, the phone is absolutely amazing. The screen is absolutely gorgeous, it’s lightning fast (even with touchwiz!) and it just looks sexy as hell. I’d suggest reconsidering, especially if you haven’t seen it in person. I actually kind of screwed myself over because my VZW contract isn’t done for 5 months and I got the S4 on T-Mobile, I found out that I couldn’t put my Gnex on “vacation mode” so I could only pay a minimal amount for it (like my roommate does on Sprint) so now I have two phones; I love the S4 so much (and T-Mobile for that matter) that I’m completely willing to pay the ETF fee to cancel my VZW contract and get rid of the Gnex. Once you actually use the S4 for a few minutes you won’t want to let it go lol

  • JDawg

    I’m currently on the VZW GNex. Do I get an S4? Wait to see the XFON? Cross my fingers for a Nexu 4/5 in the Fall? Help!

    • Bionic

      Im getting an S4, im done waiting for motorola to pull their head out of their asss

      • JDawg

        I might wait around for one more flagship device on VZW (presumably this Fall) and then I’ll hop onto an S4 or something. I haven’t given up yet!

        • Bionic

          As it sits right now, you’ll be waiting for a phone using the S4 prime CPU, that is over a year old an no where close to being as good as the 600 in the S4 and ONE.

          • JDawg

            Ugh. I’d rather not get an S4 because of TouchWiz. Guess I’ll keep waiting. Where is this Motorola SUPERPHONE!

          • Bionic

            Just root it and freeze the bloat. Also use nova launcher to cover up touchwiz.

          • Aidwtf

            Are You Retarded Or Something? How Many Times Has It Been Said That What Is Said In The Thread Stays In The Thread?

          • Tim242

            You don’t have to root to freeze. I disabled 50 applications immediately, then installed Nova Prime.

          • Bionic

            Motorola DOES have a snapdragon 800 super phone on the drawing board but we’re talking about Q1 or Q2 next year. per sarge

          • JDawg

            I’m an avid reader for DL, but new to the forums. Who’s Sarge (I have heard of him) and what are his credentials? lol

          • Bionic

            industry insider, thats all im saying.

          • JDawg

            So what would this Moto Snapdragon 800 phone be named/have on board? Sorry for milking the cow at this point.

          • Bionic

            Its very very early on that. 3 GB of RAM and a 5.2 inch screen according to sarge.

          • JDawg

            Do you personally know Sarge or something?? lol

          • Bionic

            no comment, LOL

          • michael arazan

            Dam, what’s with Moto Buying and using last year’s chip sets, do they have coupons too? It’s like they are the early bird dinner special of phones if they go in this direction, half the meal for a reasonable price in fine dining

        • Blue Sun

          Why would you expect a Nexus device to be on the Verizon network this fall? Have you had your head in the sand the last 1.5 years?

      • Blue Sun

        I should have told you about my Xoom 3G/4G LTE experience.

      • kevin durant

        Bionic, I respect you but I have some huge doubts about the information from Sarge.

        If you watch the Tinhte X Phone video carefully, especially the part when they compare it to the 4-inch 16:9 iPhone 5, it’s clear there is zero chance the Ghost has a 4-inch screen, the size must be at least 4.5 inches. Actually, the original Tinhte report says it’s around 4.65 inches. The dimensions showed in the FCC documents and the phone’s narrow bezels also point to a much larger screen, as Travis D’s picture above shows.

        I don’t think there is any doubt Sarge is very wrong on this extremely important–and well-known since March–fact, and this have to put other things Sarge says about these phones into doubt, especially considering what Jim Wicks, Motorola’s design chief said in the pcmag interview.

        “Certain people like a large screen,” Wicks said. “But there’s a sweet spot for consumers that we’re currently exceeding in the market. There are some people that like a big display, but there’s also a lot of people that want something that’s just about right,” he said. “I think ‘just right’ is important, and we’re designing so we don’t disappoint those people.”

        Based on all of the evidences, I just don’t think there is any chance Motorola will release the about 4.65-inch Ghost as the Mini, remember, the leaked photos of Ghost only show its model as XFON.

        You said “All I know is that when motorola submitted the two x phones to google. Google pretty much sent them back with a WTF is this shitt??” This just make no sense. If Google is really deeply-involved with the X Phone projects, they would have good knowledge of these phones long long ago, just as they do with the Nexus devices, Motorola can’t work on them independently and then “submit” to Google, this is not how you design a phone collaboratively.

        The first report of Google give up on the X Phone is from the Chinese analyst Sun Changxu who has a proven bad record on these type of rumors (she once said there would be a 8.9-inch iPad 3 less than 3 months before the iPad 3 launch), I don’t think we should treat it seriously.

        Plus, if I recall correctly, Sarge said the works on the X Phone began last December, which is way too short a development time compare to industry average, and contradicts what Jim Wicks said in the above-mentioned April 16 interview “We’ve been spending the past eight months on this next generation of phones”.

        Before we consider everything Sarge says about the X Phone(s) as truth, can we at least ask him to explain why the screen-size of the Ghost is absolutely not 4 inches?

    • http://twitter.com/zbaltrip Zach B

      I’m in the same boat. Probably gonna wait :-/

      I bought a RAZR M off Craigslist for fun to tweak and bide my time

  • Bionic

    Yeah……great……X phone mini has pretty much arrived, but who really cares about Ghost? Problem is that Sarge gave us some no to good info on motorola yesterday and this former harcore motorola fanboy is buying an S4. That right there should tell you how crappy the news was.

    Dont be surprised if 5 inch x phone isnt here until fall or later and possibly under a different name.

    • Nextus

      What’s the news?

      • Bionic

        Im not going into detail but pretty much motorola is having the same problems as HTC. They are in dire need of talented people and innovation. Google isnt pleased with them right now at all. Hence why google pulled out of the x phone program.

        • Nextus

          So we should all submit our applications to Moto then? Tim/Kellen get on this!

          Do you know what Google was looking for in this “XFON” program? Shouldn’t they have been disappointed a long time ago when Moto would have said hey we are building a phone from 2011 as our new flagship???

          • Bionic

            All I know is that when motorola submitted the two x phones to google. Google pretty much sent them back with a WTF is this shitt??

            Even the 5 inch version is behind the in specs due to it using the S4 prime CPU. Now, my thinking is that perhaps the 5 inch will be redone in time for a fall release but that is just me thinking out loud.

          • tyguy829

            so it’s going to get the bionic treatment?

          • Bionic

            I dont know what moto is going to do with the 5 inch x phone for sure, sarge hasnt said anything about it in a while and that usually means he has deemed it not worthy of discussion It’s possible they try to redo it or maybe just release it as is and sell a few of them.

          • tyguy829

            darn. thanks for the info. My gnex is starting to go, but i can’t stand the s4. don’t know what to do

          • Bionic

            LG Nexus 5 if you are willing to wait until winter

          • tyguy829

            But i’m on verizon…

          • Bionic

            LMAO…….um well……..HTC One provided it comes to verizon? ummmm……suck it up and get an S4 like me? ummmmm…….non nexus LG offering?

          • tyguy829

            ha. i just hate hardware buttons. hopefully moto can fix this…

          • http://twitter.com/zbaltrip Zach B

            I hope a HTC One/variant does come to Verizon, but won’t hold my breath. Probably just going to wait until Fall now to see if anything leaks that reeks of potential for the holiday season. Just can’t bring myself to go with Samsung’s S4. I can’t do that wide, raised home button. My wife has an s3 and it’s just not worth giving up my lower spec’d GNEX for. Personal opinion of course.

            Here’s hoping a phone with software buttons sporting a quad core snapdragon 800 rolls out in the near future! ;)

          • Tim242

            The home button is not raised.

          • chris125

            typical moto, nice phones with weak specs.

          • Bionic

            sadly that is the truth lately, thats why im buying my first Samsung.

        • michael arazan

          Maybe Motorola should Get all those talented people leaving HTC right now!!

    • Dylan Patel

      Nice way of getting around confessing you were bullshitting.

      • Bionic

        That is a really assinine statement. If i was bullshitting this whole time I wouldnt be buying an S4 would I? But whatever dude, think what you want.

        • Dylan Patel

          Actually if you were bullshitting the whole time, you would buy an S4 because the thing is never coming.

    • Silver Veloz

      I’m still on my Droid Bionic Jelly Bean and like everyone else, was waiting to see what Moto was going to spring on us. Now the big question, how long do I wait? Do I jump to a Galaxy S4, or just be overly patient and see what else Verizon releases over the Summer or later in the year? Just upgrading to Jelly Bean, I’m still enjoying utilizing it. Oh, I’m on unlimited data also. Thanks for all the info.

      • Bionic

        Well……put it this way…..im on my Bionic still and im buying an S4 soon. Im done waiting.

        • Silver Veloz

          Thanks. Funny – my mom just switched to her first smartphone, the Samsung Galaxy S3 and my nephew just got the S4. We might all become a Samsung family. I’m disappointed in Moto. I really like the solid feel of their phones. Oh well, maybe in a year or so.

    • needa

      this phone is pretty much guaranteed to be 4.5″ its not much of a mini. sizing specs are 128.5×65. per the fcc documents.

  • rei_load

    If Google sells it on the Play Store, I’ll buy. Believe it or not guys, not everyone here is waiting for some super phone with godly specs.

    • KleenDroid

      I’ve got a thunderbolt laying around that I’d be happy to sell you.

      • rei_load

        No thanks, I’ll stick with my Bionic until this comes out :)

    • Christopher Young

      Having the most current version of Android is more important to me than specs.

      Plain and simple.

      If Motorola prices this phone right…let’s say 300 off contract through the Google Play store, I’m sold.

      • Brandon Golway

        Having a Nexus phone doesn’t necessarily mean instant updates, look at the Gnex on VZW: it was 4 updates behind the other carriers. Yea it had the most recent version of Android out of all Verizon’s phones but they still lagged behind. The problem is the carriers, you can still get fast updates without a Nexus phone, you just have to get one that’s widely supported. The S4 will be like a Nexus phone considering it will be available on every carrier AND there will be a “Google Edition” so there will be absolutely no lack in missing pieces of development. TouchWiz updates will come from the carriers and the AOSP updates will come directly from Google. You can’t beat that.

    • BSweetness

      The sad thing is that even if Google sells it through the Play Store, since it will still need to run on Verizon’s CDMA network, updates will continue be painfully slow because they’ll have to go through Verizon.

      It wouldn’t be a phone that would get updates directly from Motorola/Google, so unless Verizon changes some of their policies as it relates to CDMA-capable devices (which isn’t likely to happen), I wouldn’t count on it showing up in the Play Store.

      • WickedToby741

        Likely the only version made available in the Play Store would be an unlocked GSM/LTE model. Just look at the Nexus edition GS4. No Sprint and no Verizon model available. Expect that tend to continue. It’s a harsh reality for Verizon lovers, but Verizon is not the carrier for Nexus out Nexus-like devices. The time will come though. We just have to wait for Verizon to deploy LTE only phones and VoLTE. The CDMA chip is unnecessary after that point.

        • BSweetness

          Oh how I long for the day when Verizon’s CDMA network is no longer needed.

      • BSweetness

        I assume the down vote comes from someone who has absolutely no idea how Verizon’s network and policies work.

      • MicroNix

        Verizon allows Apple to update their iPhones don’t they?

        • BSweetness

          Pretty much all updates for all devices on Verizon are pushed from the manufacturers, but Verizon has to test and approve them first.

          That said, in many instances Apple is often an exception to rule. Unlike other manufacturers, they’re able to dictate terms to carriers instead of carriers dictating terms to them.

    • http://twitter.com/nedrudrelytmai Tyler Durden

      You’re obviously not a power user. And that’s okay. There’s treatment for for that.

    • Bionic

      Thats fine, but consider the website you are reading, chances are most people reading a hardcore android website want super phones

    • http://twitter.com/JohnnyACE562 GRAND MASTER SEN$Ei {{-_-}}™

      Speak for yourself. I NEED that super phone with godly specs. My Droid 3 is suffering bad. {{-_-}}

  • Qwerty

    So how long does a phone usually take to be released following its stop at the FCC?

    • Bionic

      usually within a month or so

      • Qwerty

        It also just occurred to me: since it’s becoming more apparent that this phone will arrive with what could generally be considered mid-range specs, I would imagine that carriers would probably offer this phone for at most $99 with a new two year contract. If that’s the case, would it be reasonable to assume that perhaps the retail price, that is, the cost of the phone off contract and through the carrier, could be somewhere between $200-$300? I mention through the carrier specifically because I don’t see Google offering a variant of this phone to be purchased through the Play Store and compatible with Verizon’s network. The next best thing I could personally hope for is that Verizon would offer the phone for $200-$300 off contract.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tylerjehills Tyler James Edward Hills

    Impressed that Bionic hit the nail on the head. Yet not very interested in the actual device. Bring on the older brother please

    • Bionic

      welp……based on what I heard from sarge yesterday……it may be a while. Put it this way, this hardcore moto fanboy is done waiting and is buying an S4

      • http://www.facebook.com/tylerjehills Tyler James Edward Hills

        Really? I would say I hope you/sarge are wrong but based on recent history you’re not. That’s kind of a bummer :/

  • Jonathan Figueroa

    If this is $150-$200 on Google Play out of contract then I’m all over it. My wife needs an update from her DROID X and I’m not going to pay $600 for a full priced phone to keep her Unlimited. The X-fon is looking like similar specs of my Galaxy Nexus with updated hardware. That’s nothing to look down upon. No need for a 1080p quad core phone when all she does is Facebook / text / 3+hrs of phones calls a day. Just a waste of good hardware, and money if I buy “Top of the line”.

    • KleenDroid

      Yesterday I purchased two S4’s at full price because it was much cheaper than going to a shared plan over two years. Anyway my point is that I upgraded from a Gnex and can say without any hesitation that the Gnex is no slouch comparatively.The Gnex isnt bogged down with such an amazing amount of bloat.

      Even though the S4 specs blow it away, I bet using my Nexus you would think it was the other way around.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dominick-White/642535026 Dominick White

        How are you liking the S4?thinking about getting it for the phone wife, because she can’t live with a phone without removable battery.

        • KleenDroid

          So far I am really liking it. I also wanted a removable battery and also ordered my 64 gig sd card. I intend on rooting soon and await a de-bloated rom to reclaim my phone. I think your wife would like the phone as long as she likes the size.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dominick-White/642535026 Dominick White

            She has a s3 right now, but she cracked her screen and she will not let me take it apart to fix it. So will just sell my Dna and make up the difference and get her the S4.

    • Jonathan Williams

      My one year old uses my old Droid X to play with. Still works :-)

  • BRIM

    *yawn*

    A phone w/ yesteryear’s specs. Might as well call this: Motorola First.

    • Dave

      Moto still hasn’t launched a device on JB yet, right? Can’t think of one….

      • kixofmyg0t

        Launched? No. But Every device since the Bionic has JB now.

        They also havn’t launched a device in like 8 months.

        • LiterofCola

          Exactly

        • KleenDroid

          I think they were putting out to many phones for awhile. Taking their time is a good thing.

    • nsnsmj

      Not that I’m even interested in the XFON, but the majority of smartphone buyers, the ones that don’t frequent tech blogs like you do, don’t care about the latest processors or benchmarks. I doubt most could even tell much of a difference between 720p and 1080p. This may be a great phone for them.

    • WickedToby741

      I bet it’d get your attention if they launched it only Google Play for like $200 outright (GSM/LTE only of course, don’t hold your breath for any CDMA love).

  • violator702

    I’m interested to see what the off contract price will be.

  • http://www.youtube.com/kimirPORTALS kimir

    Bionic was all over this. 100% correct, and no bs. Specs are really coming together.

  • brkshr

    My dad & maybe my GF will be getting this.

    I will seriously LMAO if this is the x-phone that everyone has been waiting for. It’s the Bionic all over again…

    • kixofmyg0t

      Not really. Targa was a solid phone except for the screen. Even if Moto used the same screen from the RAZR HD it wouldn’t be bad.

    • Bionic

      not really. The original bionic was outed for all to see and then quickly swept under the carpet and redone. The x phone was never officially announced

  • kixofmyg0t

    802.11AC? Strange for a midrange device…

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      It better be free on contract heh. Technically has a lower end processor than the HTC First.

      • kixofmyg0t

        Well its better than both the Atrix HD and RAZR M which were $99 phones.

        How about $99 on the Play Store?

      • http://twitter.com/mattlgroff Matt Groff

        How about $200 or $300 on the Play Store?

        • chris125

          200 at the most on play store, and for verizon.

      • YouSeeLA11

        Not possible for it to have a processor from last year, as only the Snapdragon 400/600/800 support 802.11ac

        • YouSeeLA11

          My mistake, the quad-core S4 Pro is the ONLY S4 Pro processor from last year that supports 802.11ac. The dual-core S4 Pro doesn’t and only the Snapdragon 600/800 are confirmed to support 802.11ac from this year’s processors.

  • t3chi3

    THERE IS A GOD!