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Google Babel News: Google Voice Support “Eventually” Coming, Synced Notifications, “First Class” iOS Experience

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Whenever Google Babel does arrive for public consumption, we’re starting to believe it will be everything we have ever asked for in a unified messenger service. We’re talking synced notifications, cross-platform conversation experiences, a new UI, photo sharing, quick access to live video chats, and on-the-record chat history viewing from anywhere. According to sources of ours who have shared new information with us (including a feature list), we’re getting all of this and more. 

Google Babel as a product is a collaboration of work by the Google+, Android, Chrome and Apps teams. Through their combined efforts, as was previously reported by us, we’ll see this unified service launch in Gmail and as Android, iOS, and Chrome apps. What’s particularly interesting, is that Google is talking about the iOS app as being the first time they have built a “first class iOS experience” when it comes to a messaging service. I can’t say that I’m familiar with their current iOS offerings, so I’ll leave the iOS experts to weigh in on the quality of Talk (if there even is an app) and G+ Messenger.

We’ve also learned that Google Voice support is “eventually” coming to Babel, however, the service initially only brings together Talk, Hangouts, and Messenger. This was an inclusion we were hoping to see from the beginning, but won’t, from what we understand. No specific details on how Voice will blend into Babel were given, just that it’s coming later on down the road.

Continuing on – there will be notification syncing across devices and platforms. For example, if you have a browser open on a desktop, laptop, tablet, and phone that are all attached to Babel and receive a message, once you check that message on any of the devices, the notification will disappear from the others. As someone who operates a half-dozen devices at any time throughout a day, I can’t tell you how important this feature is. It may be the most important.

We’ll also see a brand new UI that promotes conversations and is applied across all versions of Babel. You’ll be able to send photos, use 800+ emoji (not an exaggeration), look back at any on-the-recrod conversation from any device, group chat, and of course, carry all conversations with you to and from any device.

Here is a feature list according to a Google memo (colorful commentary is theirs, not ours):

  1. Brand new UI. We’ve designed a new UI that’s applied across all clients and promotes conversations.
  2. Stay in sync.  With just one conversation list and experience across mobile and desktop, everything is always in sync. Install the Chrome app, the Android app, and iOS app.
  3. Desktop app.  Stop laying whack a mole across blinking browser tabs. With the new Chrome app your conversations continue outside of the browser.
  4. Keep a group conversation going to coordinate with your team, and start a Hangout with a single tap whenever you need to talk face-to-face.
  5. Be notified…just once.  Get notifications on your two phones, tablet, laptop, and desktop. Open it on one and watch the others disappear. If you’re actively using your computer or phone we’ll even intelligently notify you on just one of those endpoints. Magic!
  6. Message more than just text.  Add a photo to the conversation and/or send some of the 800+ emoji to your coworkers. Kittens and poop are particularly helpful in explaining complex issues.
  7. Get nostalgic.  Scroll back in time and relive any (on-the-record) conversation, on any device.
  8. More ways to talk.  For the first time we are building a first class iOS experience. Try out our very early preview on your iPhone or iPod Touch.

I will say that the screenshots posted yesterday by TechRadar appear to me to be the real deal. From what I have seen, the emoji box does slide up from the bottom, though I’ve also seen the box with a black background. Conversations will look the same – threaded with profile pictures of the participants.

Still no word on a release date.

New thoughts on Babel?

  • Steve Benson

    Seriously, if this doesn’t have SMS baked in, this is going to fail and fail hard.

  • http://www.facebook.com/archercc Ryan Stewart

    So the only thing I care about wont be coming in the first release? Then it gets a “Meh” from me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002918282828 Christopher Grame

    yeah…i don’t get it. a lot of people who are anti-mainstream might flame but this is the would be the reason it took me so long to find any use out of G+ all over again. google needs to get the majority onto the band wagon right off the bat. if you include sms/voice/hangout/g+ in one shot you will have the average person interested and they might start using g+ as well.

  • Mordecaidrake

    They need to tie in SMS as well, do that and I’m 100% sold. I use gtalk more than anything else, SMS for group chats. Please Google tie them all in and I’m 100% in.

  • http://profiles.google.com/fgissubel Fred Gissubel

    I don’t need messenger and gtalk combined. I need voice, SMS, and gtalk combined. They should’ve given me the survey.

  • yummy

    Of little use to me until fully fleshed out.

  • Samuel Serafim

    Google should have done this 2 year ago. Too too lazy.

  • http://twitter.com/rightoder2 rightoder2

    why in the name of HELLL this has early preview on IOS Devices. it should be Android first, then IOS and then WP8 and BB. Googles doesnt give a toss about Android cuz they make more money from IOS.

    • Knowles2

      Likely answer is that this memo is from a meeting where they were discussing babel iOS version. It a leak not official marketing for the new service.

  • mamatrohimat

    i wait it

  • http://twitter.com/kashifrazzaqui Kashif Razzaqui

    Most of these features are already available on http://talk.to
    Disclaimer: I work at talk.to

    • Abhijeet Mishra

      Ah, you do? Love Talk.to, the interface particularly is beautiful. Just waiting for individual notifications and actionable ones too, the last update adding image sharing was a good one.

    • Steve Benson

      Thanks for this, I’ll check it out.

  • NIGHTSCOUT

    Seems this list, is something Google should have done long ago….

  • http://www.facebook.com/aljun Alfredo Dela Rosa Jr

    they should have automatic “translate” or have an option to “google translate” within the Babel app.

  • nate

    “Desktop app. Stop laying whack a mole across blinking browser tabs. With the new Chrome app your conversations continue outside of the browser.” Apart from the word laying instead of playing, how can a chrome app continue outside the browser? Or does it mean only chromebook? I figured they would have said chromebook and not desktop if that were the case.

  • Ed Williams

    I won’t complain. This is long overdue. Google I/O is going to own this year.

  • droidrazredge

    Interesting, I can see where this is going. Google Babble has eventually become Google Babel. a unified unifying all of its chat services into one, single and efficient chat service. Eventually Integrating an Updated Google Voice with “MMS” for all carriers and not just Sprint. Google then purchases Babelfish, renames Google Translate to Babel Translate and call the new unified service Google, Tower of Babel and then they can claim they’re truly unifying everything and all languages.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Schmucker/1498547350 Chris Schmucker

    So no SMS?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Schmucker/1498547350 Chris Schmucker

    So no SMS?

  • http://twitter.com/Metshatrocker Metshatrocker

    you dudes know that all the handset maker use their own SMS app service right??? why would they connect babel to their sms app. stock android apps doesnt = oem apps

  • Russell Sprague

    As long as DeskSMS can still send it my texts the way it currently sends them to Talk, I am excited.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.debow Jordan M Debow

      is there anywhere to get rid of DeskSMS notifications?

  • jnt

    There is no official Gtalk app for iOS – so maybe they’re using “first class” simply as a descriptor for a new product.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jordan.debow Jordan M Debow

    IOS rip off? come on didn’t RIM blackberry do it first?

  • DC_Guy

    No SMS integration = no deal. I’ll stick with iOS and iMessage. I love that you can drive messaging from any iOS or Mac device based on your phone number. All messages are synced across devices and the conversation stays in a single thread. This is true unified messaging.

    • Vloo

      As an Android user, this is also what I’m hoping. I really have no use for “just another messaging app”. This is needs to be all inclusive and have SMS just like iMessage as well. If it does, then I’ll be downloading this as soon as its available.

      • http://geniousatplay.blogspot.com/ Bikram Agarwal

        I don’t think they will do it. Combining SMS (which costs money) and IMs (free) in a single app is not a good idea. Several people will send SMS thinking they are sending free IMs, will get huge bill and try to sue Google.

  • Josh Phillips

    Am I the only one that wants this as a windows 8 app as well? I would love to be able to just leave it docked to the side of one of my monitors at all times…

    • Bionic

      Fuckk windows

  • Bionic

    X……… Tablet

  • DeAno Jackson

    Not bad! Once they pull Voice into it, this app will officially become my go-to messaging app.

  • http://them3blog.wordpress.com/ Abel

    I want android to take SMS to the next level, Include this on the application too so we have SMS, Google Plus, Google Voice, Talk and Hangouts, all together, but I also want to see SMS transferring, and by that I mean that you could use you tablet to send SMS from a phone, or even use the browser, think about being on the computer and getting not only your Babel chats but your SMS on that chrome app, and replying with your number while… for example your phone charges

    • http://www.facebook.com/aarontrevor Aaron Sentell

      I use MightyText for this.

      • http://them3blog.wordpress.com/ Abel

        I know there are separated app, but imagine all this integrated into one thing

  • http://www.facebook.com/mlegat Mvrcel Lgt

    very early preview on your iPhone or iPod Touch? Uhm…really?

  • Hayden7200

    GChat on my computer through Gmail and my GTalk on my android phone are already synced and if I’m on my computer, then I don’t get the notification on my phone, which sounds like feature #8. So to me this is just making GTalk better, changing the name of GChat, and including G+ Messenger. Which I’m definitely looking forward to! And the fact that there will be an iOS version is great because most of my friends have iDevices. If I can get them on board then there really wouldn’t be a huge need to have SMS included.

  • http://www.thinkgeeks4u.com Hiral Patel

    Does anyone remember Google Wave – Wave could have been google babel for day one incorporate GV, and other IM, SMS and voila you have Babel.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pratik-Holla/1041154510 Pratik Holla

    Man, this is just EPIC! Cant wait for I/O!!!

  • NIGHTSCOUT

    Change the name

    • Bionic

      Right? Why not simply “chat” or something

    • Knowles2

      That simply changing a single line of code. It no big problem. As a code name it describes perfectly what Google is trying to do.

      • NIGHTSCOUT

        Does it? The tower of babel was a failure, and all the people involved stopped understanding each other, and moved away. Is that what Google is trying to do? Make people understand each other even less?

        • Knowles2

          I think Google may think it current messaging services are bit of a failure and that their was not a lot of communications happening between the various teams.

          • NIGHTSCOUT

            Well then the current state of google talk should be called babel, not the upcoming update. Babel would be something to move AWAY from.

          • Knowles2

            It an ironic name which is probably why Google chose it.

  • John Burke

    No SMS & no Google Voice (for now)?
    So this will unify 3 services I barely ever use to begin with…
    No thanks, I’ll wait.

    • PhoenixPath

      100%.

      They shouldn’t even bother releasing this or hyping it at all until they have that functionality included or it will be just another useless chat-app.

      • Itchy_Robot

        I agree 100%. And am one of the few that actually uses Messenger and Talk. Though, without SMS support, all this is is a big company cleaning up its bureaucratic message app mess.

  • brian kircher

    Does anyone think or know if like texting will be included in this?

  • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

    We don’t know SMS won’t be included…who knows, this may be built in at OS level to Key Lime Pie. May be the new standard messaging app. Let’s hope so, eh?

    • mgamerz

      For it to replace the messaging APK and other services (like talk) it’d likely have to replace all of them, so I don’t see this coming to anything but 4.2. It ‘might’, but it’d work better a systme level, because then it doesn’t have to deal with 40 notifications going off at once… unless they switch gtalk and messenger over to the new service right away.

  • http://www.twitter.com/nblufire12 Nathan Patel

    Hopefully they integrate powerful search into this… I always look up my old Gchat and Gvoice convos

  • http://emuneee.com Evan

    Not really going to form an opinion on rumoured software, however, disappointing about the lack of SMS/Google Voice integration. However, besides that, its rumoured to look rather impressive.

    • nihir

      so, you are forming an opinion then..=)

    • nihir

      so, you are forming an opinion then..=)

  • KennyVeltre

    If SMS isnt included than i dont really care..

  • http://twitter.com/Larsened David

    If SMS isn’t a part of it, it’s just another Google service I won’t use much. Albeit a nice, extremely useful one, and better than any other so far, but I likely won’t get a lot of use out of it.

    • http://twitter.com/batfandotcom Ben Rollier

      +1

      Would REALLY like to see SMS included in this. Been searching for an SMS app with a Google Talk UI for a long time.

    • http://www.linkedin.com/in/ablelawrence Able Lawrence

      Ask Steve Job’s ghost. He will know the answer to your question since apple will decide on that. I would say SMS integration would be easy to do on android

  • JT

    Does anyone else think most Google apps look better on IOS, or is it just me?

    • randy

      The newer iOS apps definitely look better, GMail, Google+, Search. The other apps haven’t been updated yet and as a result Google Voice is a disaster on iOS.

    • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

      Pretty sure most GApps will get Android updates at I/O, along with Key Lime Pie. Look at Keep and the 4.2 clock apps. They’re like tasters for what is to come. Keep is previewing the new holo light, and the 4.2 clock app is previewing the new holo dark. Genuinely, genuinely cannot wait for I/O.

      • JT

        Yeah me too. I figured they’d show off the better looking ones at I/O. Because right now I think the gmail app on IOS looks beautiful while the one on android doesn’t look so great.

    • Larizard

      They follow the guidelines for iOS apps; and truth of the matter is, Apple’s guidelines produce apps that are “prettier” and more cohesive in appearance than Android’s.

      Android Design Guidelines are becoming more of a joke as time goes by, because the designers, themselves, of each Google app, are having a blast trying something new every single time they get a chance to.

      Gmail looks nothing like Youtube, which has the left pane (much like the G+ app). Google Now is fresh and all Card-ified, while the newest app, Keep, introduced another UI standard. Music is from another planet.

      It’s just Google’s culture. Forever Beta mentality. “Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks” kind of thinking.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dogguero Dan Garcia

    Kittens and poop are particularly helpful in explaining complex issues. Lol

    • Balthazar B

      Life is pretty much one or the other…

  • http://twitter.com/mvqual D L

    If it doesn’t support sms and google voice I don’t really see the purpose.

    • mercado79

      This. Google. When is unified messaging coming to Android!? This is getting ridiculous. (Well, the lack of unified messaging ala iMessage and the huge fail that is MMS functionality missing from Google Voice).

  • flosserelli

    I really don’t give a damn if it has a “first class iOS experience”.
    I want it to have a “first class android experience”.

    • Austin Warren

      Too bad that won’t happen.

    • Danny Holyoake

      I give a good deal of a damn if it has a first class iOS experience.

      The majority of my friends have iOS devices. If this Babel is to succeed, it will need iOS users as well. Google Babel will become so much more useful for me if my iOS friends enjoy the app too. Don’t be so single-minded :)

      Of course the Android app will be first class. It’s Google. :)

  • Trevor

    I bet they’re not including Voice due to the lack of MMS capabilities. Well, actually I have no idea, but that sounded good in my head.

  • Eric

    Very very disappointing. It sounds like it’ll hardly be any better than Google Talk already is. Not including Google Voice support suggests (1) iMessage will continue to have a leg up for iOS users, and (2) it’s likely Google Voice is one of the next big Google services on the chopping block

    • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

      I think it’ll be way, way better than Talk is. Talk’s been pretty neglected (as has Tasks).

  • http://twitter.com/jnewman1991 Rusty Shackleford

    If SMS isn’t integrated in the Android version I don’t see it doing too well.

    • Ryuuie

      Forget that, if this isn’t available to use from Gingerbread and above, I don’t see it doing too well.

      Gingerbread still controls quite a bit of most Android devices out there. While ICS wouldn’t be too bad of a starting point, it’d still leave out quite a bit of people.

      Making it Jelly Bean and above would pretty much seal it’s fate. 4.1 and up would be back but 4.2 and up would pretty much mean they should’ve never even bothered to even greenlight the project.

      • DaveD

        4.0 and up is more than half of the market as of January.

        • Ryuuie

          True, so that’d be a good starting point.

  • Dylan Patel

    Where are the quotes from? Can we have proof?

    • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

      Similar sources that first gave us the name “Babel” before anyone else had it.

      • Dylan Patel

        Thanks for replying.

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      PROOF?…. Man…look. It’s from a source.

      • George264

        There’s honestly not much proof you can get from a rumor for a source.

        • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

          There is no proof… I tend to trust the blogs if they post from sources. And I trust Droid Life.

          • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

            Droid-Life and Android Police…best Android sites.

    • Austin Warren

      The proof is in the pudding.

  • Christian

    I wish it would integrate the Messaging (SMS) app in some way also, on Android devices at least. The integration would probably have to be a total “rip-off” of iMessage, but it would be a very welcome addition for me at least.

    • Colin

      This is the biggest thing for me. I’d really love an all in one messaging for all types of messaging, SMS included.

      • DanSan

        would love that!

        • Arvind Maheshwari

          That’s why Google Voice exists. SMS as IM

          • normmcgarry

            That’s why it exists? Really. I thought it existed so they could analyze voicemails and use it to improve their voice recognition software.

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    • http://twitter.com/tanujrocks Tanuj Chokshi

      I would assume it does integrate SMS otherwise to me at least this would be super pointless. I don’t use Google+, GTalk, etc. If they did integrate SMS or assign every phone number to a Gmail account like iOS does that would be awesome!

      • Christopher Riner

        Yeah, the only chat services I use are SMS, g voice, and talk. The only reason I use talk is BC I have a lot of friends glued in front of their computers and talk is an easy way for me to text a message from my tablet to their computer (and definitely easiest way to send links from my tablet to a desktop PC). I guess babel will be good for that, but I already have talk for that, and I’ll still wind up going back and forth between babel, g-voice, and SMS. I can’t believe they didn’t put those two in; I’m sure babel will be great, but honestly what were they thinking not including the TWO BIGGEST USED MESSAGING SERVICES IN ANDROID in their new unified chat service?

    • Julian

      Exactly!

      • Owen C.

        I never really used SMS, I only used either Facebook Messaging or Kik (which wasnt that great). If it could bring together even SMS I’d be the happiest person alive!

    • http://www.facebook.com/chad.d.estes Chad Estes

      Surely they aren’t going to go this far, and then skip SMS? Course, this would have to take the place of the Messages app, which is currently baked into the OS. It’d have to be available on Play in order to work correctly.

      • Itchy_Robot

        I agree. I want one Window that can bring in all my messages… Talk, Voice SMS, my carriers SMS, Messenger. Better yet, dump Talk and just allow me to combine SMS and Messenger/Hangouts.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002918282828 Christopher Grame

      yeah it just seems stupid at this point. they got to stop pussyfooting around. most people don’t care about gtalk/messaging etc. if they could bring people sms and unify that with g+/hangouts, their services would start blowing up…in a good way!

    • http://profiles.google.com/andrewbenton Andrew Benton

      Check out Fusion Messenger, it is an app that will do all of this. It’s still in beta but the guy is integrating everything into one app.

    • http://www.linkedin.com/in/ablelawrence Able Lawrence

      SMS app integration in open OSes like android would be easy for any one. But on iOS, it is upto apple. Those who are too concerned about functionality and innovation should avoid iOS. Since I wont use iOS ever, are there any on-apple (ie other than iMessage) app that can access SMS. If it is there, then google might be able to offer it, otherwise Steve Jobs feels that only apple knows how to do it

    • Greg Montaño

      So bummed to hear this too. I use GV exclusively for SMS and hate the GV app for android and that notifications don’t sync well from desktop to phone and from app to app. Babel needs to incorporate SMS or it will fail. No one will use it on IOS

  • Steven Benner

    Is *Messaging* going to be included?

    • http://www.kovdev.com/ kover

      I have a feeling that SMS is not going to be a part of it.

      • http://www.droid-life.com Kellex B

        Not that I’m aware of. Google Voice will bring that at some point, once they include it.

        • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

          Good Point on that with messaging. On top of that Good thing to see Droid Life getting the GOOD Sources consistently.

        • http://twitter.com/ryan_cota Ryan Cota

          It would be good if it was, doesn’t have to be with all the syncing across devices of course, since that would not be possible with SMS, but to use the Babel “app” or what ever to send and receive SMS would be nice, so that way it is a true unified messaging, where we go to 1 app to do all our messaging, of any sort. Would love if they did this. Because a lot of people still use SMS, even with WhatsApp and other internet based messaging clients out there.

        • http://twitter.com/mimrixmike Frettfreak

          that kinda sux considering that sms on google voice is a JOKE. I just dont get why they cant take the EXACT ui they use on stock messaging app and apply it to google voice.

          • sirmeili

            Amen, brother! I would have switched to GV texting a long time ago if they had just done that. They are getting as bad as MSFT when it comes to not having more team collaboration. “We’re the GV team, we don’t really talk to those messaging guys”

        • ShadrachCA

          It would seem that the inclusion of SMS would be very important for iOS adoption. I can’t really see my iPhone friends using this if they have to use a separate app for Babel messaging and SMS. iMessage is pretty nice in that you just create a message and send with no thought as to service. If the person is using an iOS device, it will use iMessage, otherwise it just sends an SMS. That’s the way Babel should work, only cross-platform. Though, does anyone know if it’s even possible to replace the default SMS app on an iPhone?

          • edmicman

            This. A thousand times this. They’ve got both ends of the extreme. It’s going to be a non-starter “just another 3rd party messaging app” on iOS if it doesn’t replace what people can do in iMessage. And if they *do* integreate SMS/MMS into Babel and have it work seamlessly across Android and iOS, they’ve done what iMessage and BBM could never do – a true cross platform comprehensive messaging system.

          • smac7

            it’s not.

          • http://www.linkedin.com/in/ablelawrence Able Lawrence

            Doubt if apple will allow Google to replace iMessage and SMS app

          • Kyle Lehman

            I do not believe there is anyway to write a 3rd party app to replace SMS messaging on iOS like you can with Android. Unfortunately, I bet that is why google isnt bothering putting it in at all so everyone gets the same experience across platforms. I am quite disappointed in this app. It will be a long time before I can get everyone I know to stop using SMS so this is no different to me than gtalk or g+ messenger.

          • joseph pastor

            Yeah it’s possible, Handcent and Go sms are on ios actually. Cydia apps, must be jailbroken.

          • borat2

            It needs SMS and Facebook messaging and twitter and whatsapp. There would be no reason to open another app.

        • http://twitter.com/DAG425 José

          The “first class iOS experience” thing is because there is no GTalk or G+ Messenger for iOS….

          • Larizard

            im thinking this.,

        • droidrazredge

          I hope at that point Google finally introduces Google Voice SMS integration they can finally integrate MMS for all carriers instead of just Sprint users.

      • tanknspank

        Maybe we’ll get lucky with KLP bringing that as a inclusion at the OS level.

    • Nex__

      I hope so, cause all the listed possibilities are welcomed additions. But if no I have to wander whats the point. It will fall in the category of “just another” messaging app.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kortesoja Lance Kortesoja

    does anyone know if we can SMS from here? if so, I am sold for life.

    • Balthazar B

      You can SMS today from Messenger on Chrome (at least), so there’s a good chance of that showing up, I should think.

      • sirmeili

        Excuse my ignorance, but how do you sms from messenger?

        • Ashleigh Peacock
          • sirmeili

            Gotcha, I use that already (have for the past week or so), but even then, I’ve had it not send messages it says it sent. It’s ok, but I would rather a nice unified solution. I was hoping that maybe Google built this into Messenger.

        • http://profiles.google.com/cory.simpson Cory Simpson

          The gmail talk client can send SMS messages natively. You hover over a contact and it’s one of the options.

  • Alex Marmon

    wtf is that picture?

    • Lambo_21

      tower of Babel;

    • http://www.kovdev.com/ kover

      Tower of Babel.

      Source: Bible descriptions.

    • flosserelli

      The world’s largest butt plug?

    • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

      Bible story

    • Austin Warren

      You have to read the book of lies and nonsense. Aka Bible

      • Sampson

        Troll

        • Austin Warren

          Because I don’t believe in god? No wonder why i don’t. Cause of people like you

          • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

            No, because you aren’t respecting others’ religions.

          • Austin Warren

            Funny because he was disrespecting my religion for calling me a troll.

          • Joey

            Hi there.

          • http://twitter.com/redbullcat Phil Oakley

            No…no he wasn’t.

      • Knowles2

        In this case the story of Tower of Babel have some solid moral lesson behind it. An may be even base on real events in cities like Babylon, which did have many languages and cultures crossing it and undoubtedly construction projects would been set back because of the lack of a single language.

        Generally there is a lot of nonsense in a lot of religious books.