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Samsung Exynos 5 Octa Works on All 20 LTE Bands

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Over the last couple of years, as we have continued to see different variations of phones arrive in different parts of the world depending on the types of networks involved, one almost always immediately goes to, “Well, this chipset must not support LTE,” as the difference maker. A similar sentiment arose after Samsung announced the Galaxy S4 and the fact that the U.S. in particular would receive a variant sporting a Snapdragon 600 processor instead of their own Exynos 5 Octa. With Qualcomm leading the mobile processor and modem charge when it comes to LTE, it was easy to buy into this idea. 

According to SamMobile, that is most definitely not the case this time around, though. The official Samsung Exynos Twitter account confirmed to them today that the Exynos 5 Octa actually supports all 20 global LTE bands. And truthfully, this shouldn’t surprise anyone, as the Galaxy Note 2 launched at the end of last year with an Exynos chipset and had no issue connecting to U.S. LTE networks.

So why the Snapdragon 600 then? It likely has to do with volume, and the fact that Samsung may not have been able to make enough Octa processors in time to meet their April launch. With Qualcomm pumping out Snapdragon processors by the minute, I’m sure they were more than willing to offer up their support to one of the biggest smartphone manufacturers in the world.

At this point in the game, does it matter to you all that much when it comes to processor manufacturer? The Snapdragon line has dominated the last couple of years, but do you actively choose handsets depending on processor or are they all powerful enough at this point?

Via:  @SamsungExynos | SamMobile

  • http://www.facebook.com/meng.yang.5095110 Meng Yang

    Yo, people!
    Go read up on big.LITTLE before bashing the Octa, k?
    The 4 A7 cores will save up to 70% more battery.
    And the A15s will trump even the best Krait (modified A9) cores.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joshua-Martin/100000322308783 Joshua Martin

    The Exynos 5 Octa only slightly hedges out the Snapdragon 600 in most benchmarks. The Snapdragon 800 is supposed to boast 35% better performance over the the 600, so when it comes to the most powerful chipsets, Qualcomm still has it down for this year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ken.best.186 Ken Best

    Samsung just builds more alliance in the Apple fight for now.
    Eventually, the business goes to Samsung fab.

  • http://www.facebook.com/atessono Allritch Tessono

    My bet is it will be on the Note 3.

  • http://twitter.com/kilxler tony

    I have a few dumb questions. Hopefully someone can answer them here.

    1) Will the Snapdragon 600 processor also work on all 20 LTE Band like the Exynos?
    2) Will it be as fast/faster/same as the Exynos processor?
    3) Which processor is better on battery life?

    If Exynos is the better of the two than I would personally rather wait a few more months to get that type of phone. What does everyone think?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004097509286 KD Singh

    Exynos sure does works on LTE

  • jnt

    Not that this will be as big of a deal within the next year, but the Qualcomm lineup typically allows SVDO over 3G, a nice benefit when you need it, especially if you’re in a weak LTE area, or one not covered at all.

  • Hwangula

    Snapdragon 600 processor comes in 1.6Ghz and 1.9Ghz variants, and Samsung purchased 100% of the 1.9Ghz to dry out the faster processor from other smartphone manufacturers. That’s why HTC One is using 1.6Ghz.

  • Daistaar

    Have production runs ever changed processor on new runs? Say the S4 launches with the snapdragon 600, could a second or third run yield an Exynos?

    • r0lct

      Only thing I can recall like that was the Droid Incredible that shipped with LCD initially then switch to AOMLED (or maybe the other way around), but I think that was just a supply issue.

      I would imagine they would want to stay away from a refresh in processor knowing they want the S5 to blow away the S4 next year.

  • http://twitter.com/jdrch jdrch

    My guess is Samsung will switch over to Octa 100% once they get production going. At the same time, I haven’t seen any Octa vs. Snapdragon benchmarks. Might not make much of a difference.

  • DanSan

    seriously people are we complaining over whether we have 16 core processors or whether we get 17 cores and its better? what the h3ll you trying to do with this phone? launch it and turn it into a space station? there is seriously nothing u can throw at this phone that it wont handle and it will laugh it off. you really think the extra useless cores are really going to do anything special except waste juice? you guys really make me laugh…

    “ill wait for the xxxx phone because it will have 25 cores and i totally need that when i text my girlfriend silly cat pictures”…

    oh boy.

  • David Heim

    I’m gonna just forgo the Galaxy S IV and wait for the Note III.

  • Hikari0307

    I’ll stop caring about mobile cpu power when it can software decode 1080p Hi10p mkv files with SSA subs with no problems though by the time mobile SOCs reach that power in a couple of years, I’d probably want something that can handle 4K videos. Don’t know about the current top SOCs, but last year’s top mobile CPUs still can’t handle a lot of 720p 10 bit files smoothly.

    • kg215

      Lol +1 to that. The Nexus 7 with tegra 3 could handle 10 bit 720p okay but not perfectly. I know the newer snapdragons starting with the s4 pro can do 10 bit 720p perfectly. the Snapdragon 600 is supposed to be faster than the s4 pro in cpu power (higher clock speed+faster clock for clock) and the Octa is also very powerful, hopefully they have cracked the 1080p 10bit software mode barrier.

  • http://twitter.com/white_shadow001 Zach White

    I really hope the octa comes to the US, if not I’ll wait for the X-phone

  • Brandon Buckley

    I support companies in the US. Qualcomm all day baby. Id take a Qualcomm processor in a phone over any other company any day. I trust them more with wireless communications than Samsung.

  • nightscout13

    I just want it to work, and be very efficient with battery usage. The Octa-core is most likely a gimmick, the way the companion core was on a Tegra. Most software can barely run on 2 cores.

  • Richard Yarrell

    Definitely matters too me. No S4 sale for me i will wait till the Galaxy Note 3. If that doesn’t have Exynos Octa processor then NO SALES again

    • Austin Warren

      The Qualcomm is the more powerful of the two.

      • Mikey Styles

        In what way are you referencing the Snapdragon 600 being more “Powerful”? If its Graphics/GPU then the Adreno 320 < PowerVR SGX544MP3 & unfiltered "Pure" Processing power then the Snapdragon wins.

  • Sqube

    I don’t necessarily have a huge affinity for Snapdragon over Exynos, but I am interested in seeing the pros and cons of both. In the U.S. (and other places?), Qualcomm has been the only game in town for a little while. Competition is good for the consumer, so I’m glad to see that Exynos is furthering its grasp.

  • AmendFIRSTment

    Correct me if I am wrong, but the way I am understanding the Exynos 5 Octa is that it will only ever use 4 cores at any given time. The slower 4 corse for stand by and slow operation, and the faster 4 cores for the more demanding operations… people are talking about the Exynos 5 Octa as out performing the snapdragons 600 because it has more cores… how? I’m not saying I wouldn’t prefer the Exynos for batter life but for performance we are still in good shape with the snapdragon 600.

    • Sqube

      It’s called BIGlittle, if memory serves. You’ve got four low-powered processors for mundane activities (improves battery life), and four ass kickers for when you need to get your game on.

      It’s an interesting solution to having your cake and eating it, but it remains to be seen whether it’ll work.

      • Mikey Styles

        The big.LITTLE concept was actually an ARM innovation to work on the newest 64-bit system ARMv8 which was Cortex-A53 & A57. The concept Samsung is using: A15(quad core) with an A7(quad core) is the first start point where the big.LITTLE concept can be used. The bottom line is Mobile Phone OS’s are heading to the 64bit realm like our Laptops & PC’s…..so this is prob a nice chip like the Snapdragon 600 & 800 but will be obsolete very shortly!

    • kg215

      We don’t know for sure which outperforms which, gotta wait until both are released. The reason the Exynos 5 Octa could outperform the snapdragon 600 is because it is a true A15 design. The snapdragon 600 is a krait design which was custom designed by qualcomm (neither A9 or A15), in theory the krait design is less powerful and more battery efficient. We won’t know for sure until we compare them side by side in production phones.

  • http://twitter.com/Bateluer Robert Boluyt

    Wait, wasn’t the S4 reported to be using the Snapdragon S4 Pro, not the Snap600?

  • http://twitter.com/Chasemanhattan3 Chase Chick

    What ever happened to Texas Instruments?

  • Travis Shepherd

    There will never be a multiple band phone in the U.S. because the cell phone companies don’t want a uniform group of phones that can be jumped from one carrier to another…kinda like the whole PadPhone from Asus* (check the accuracy of the company, I think it’s Asus.) mobile carriers don’t want that stream line phone/tablet combo when they can charge you for both. My point is mobile carriers are greedy.

    • trumpet444

      Wouldn’t a phone with the capability to ride on any and all networks be a tad expensive/bulky, maybe?………or, alternatively, for all carriers to use the ‘exact’ same technology to allow us to carrier hop? (i’m not being a sarcastic DB, really just honest questioning)

      • Mikey Styles

        That’s actually a good question as here in the US were going to probably use 4 LTE bands(700mhz, 800mhz, 1700-1900mhz AWS, & 2100mhz AWS) or perhaps more bands……where as other countries are all over the map from 800mhz to 2600mhz. LTE may be the “World Standard” so to speak but its still gonna be a mess as it was before. UGH!!!

    • R

      CONTROL! you hit the nail right on the head

    • ceejw

      There’s plenty of phones on the market in the U.S. that support multiple bands. For example the Verizon iPhone 5 supports 5 bands of LTE, 5 bands of HSPA and 2 bands of CDMA.

    • r0lct

      That has nothing to do with the chipset. They could force/ask the OEMs to just disable the competing bands on the Exynos chipset.

  • aznmode1

    I would agree more that this is a volume issue. Do I care if I get the snapdragon 600…That depends. I thought my snapdragon s4 on my s3 was fast til I got a note 2. I had to find the right kernel to make the GPU catch up on the s3. But processing power goes to Equinox stock at 1.6ghz. Even at 1.8ghz overclocked on my s3 doesnt compare. Now if the snapdragon 600 is faster overall than the quad equinox on the note 2 then no I probably wouldn’t mind having the 600 on the s4.

  • NicholasMicallef

    Kinda figured it didn’t make sense. Samsung had already implemented 4G in the Exynos 4 (Note II) and they have also boasted about Exynos having better battery life due to the 4 extra cores, so battery life shouldn’t have been the reasons. I guess this confirms my reasoning. I do hope they stick to one chipset next year and give it all the support they can, having different chipsets on the same devices can only cause problems in the long term, even if Exynos might save them some money which would otherwise be going to Qualcomm and give them some extra performance.

  • Ryan

    The Samsung exynos chipsets failed in battery life and performance in the US. they are compatible but how is the compatibility? dont rush things. take your time and have it done right. just my .02 down vote if you want

    • aznmode1

      Not sure what you mean but my note 2 with exynos beats my s3 with snapdragon hands down when it comes to performance. Games open much faster as well even if I have my s3 overclocked to 1.8ghz. Battery life is great on the note 2 but ofcourse it has a 3100mah battery but also has the bigger screen. So i would they’re on par.

      • Ryan

        I meant the Octocore my bad.

        • aznmode1

          I see. Sorry for assuming.

      • Diablo81588

        The snapdragon in the s3 is a dual core, of course the quad core note 2 is faster.

        • aznmode1

          You do know that quad core doesn’t mean it’s faster. Most apps don’t take advantage of it. It’s only good really for better multi tasking. A good comparison is tegra 3. It’s quad core but the snapdragon dual core performs better.

      • PhillipCun

        this isn’t a fair comparison. the snapdragon in your s3 is last gen’s processor since the s3 was released way before the note 2.

        • aznmode1

          Technically the international s3 which was released first had the same processor as the note 2 but just clocked at 1.4ghz.

  • abc

    Question is, does Exynos5 support all of Tmos hspa+ and LTE bands? AWS 1700 and 1900? hspa+ 42 on 1700, refarmed 1900, and their LTE? If so, why not buy the international instead of the US variant, now that you pay for the full price of the phone on tmos new plans

    • Matthew Merrick

      My guess? Just because it CAN be it doesn’t mean it will be hooked up to antennas, ect, and actually work on those bands.

      • abc

        Okay sorry I wasn’t specific enough. Will it work on all those Tmo bands and will it have the proper antenna and power amplifiers.

        • Matthew Merrick

          obviously we know nothing now. but i wouldn’t count on it, considering samsung’s track record with pentaband phones (aka, it has none unless they’re carrier-locked or nexus). All this really means for us is we can expect the Octa in the US Note 3s

          • http://www.facebook.com/meng.yang.5095110 Meng Yang

            Yay!
            Octa Note 3!
            I’m skipping the “me-too” S600 S4.

        • R

          exactly! frequencies require properly tuned antennas, one size doesn’t fit all.

  • Dave

    It’s like arguing a Lambo and a Ferrari. Either way you’re driving a exotic car.

    • Rice21

      Yeah, but the Lamborghini Veneno is horrendous, and The Ferrari LeFerrari is simply beautiful and it has 1 million times better design than the Veneno.

      • http://www.facebook.com/grayson.grouge Grayson Grouge

        And yet with that we go too far into it and become subjective.

      • Mark Mann

        they’re both horrendous…make mine an aston martin v12 vanquish anyday

      • Austin Warren

        The Veneno is ugly? It looks like a fuc*ing bat mobile.

      • William Stuart

        Like the HTC one and the galaxy s4!

    • blootz

      wrong… in 10 years I wouldn’t mind driving either one.
      apple’s and oranges bro
      in 5 years this phone (galaxy nexus) is no longer going to be in my pocket.

  • Jonathan Ly

    Probably has to do with Qualcomm’s US presence and frankly, I think y’all should take a stand on the “Octa” core thing, but w/e. Buzz words and what not

    • Austin Warren

      Buzz word? No. There’s people who know what it is and some that think it’s 8 cores of power. They are wrong.

  • http://twitter.com/davidbavin David Bavin

    Yes it does matter because now I can brag about having 8 cores even though it has the same performance as the quad core Snapdragon 600.

    • NicholasMicallef

      Actually it’s better, according to most benchmarks, how much difference that makes IRL I don’t know, but I don’t expect it to be much.

    • abc

      Wouldn’t have the same performance, If I’m not mistaken, the GPU in the Exynos 5 (PowerVR SGX 544MP3) is far superior to that in the Snapdragon 600 (Adreno 320).

  • JetBlue

    This doesn’t make sense the international version usually releases before the U.S ones do and I thought the international one was getting the Octa so how wouldn’t there be enough time to put it in the U.S versions when they release a month or month and half after the international?

  • Dylan Patel

    So wouldn’t the phone work with Verizon?

    • Justin Swanson

      Don’t know. It probably wouldn’t work on their CDMA network but theoretically on their LTE. The problem is, no carrier in the US is capable of giving you good service on LTE only yet. Therefore you need HPSA+ or CDMA antennas to assist in areas that don’t have LTE coverage.

  • Doug Dunfee

    Processor is still one of the top things I look at and tell others to look at. Differences might be small now, but in a year…? Definitely wish my Toro had more umph

    • Austin Warren

      Definitely want a phone to be future proof

      • JMonkeYJ

        we’re not yet at a stage where you can practically make future proof mobile devices. the technology is still advancing too rapidly. notebooks and PCs are fairly future-proof these days, but even top end phones and tablets start looking worse after 1 and certainly after 2 years.

        • R

          as the interests drop off for such a device as a laptop…so do the ideas that its reached its peak. However,…there is more than room for improvement. trust me. we take things for granted.

      • R

        there is no such thing

        • Austin Warren

          There is. My Note 2 is currently. But not forever.

          • kg215

            Not really, the processor was outdated on day 1.

    • Christopher Riner

      Agreed. Even just the difference between the omap 4430 and the 4460 in the RAZR and the gnex made a big difference for me, as an influence/deciding factor, even with as little of a difference as that was.

      I mean yeah, all processors in flagships nowadays can handle good workloads, but I mean come on, who isn’t gonna be at least a liiiiittle let down they have to go with four cores instead of 8 when the technology is out there, and we are the type of people who are happiest when we ourselves have the latest and greatest. Not China,not Europe, not Korea…us.

      • Brandon Buckley

        It has 8 cores but it can only use 4 at a time. One set of 4 is for performance and the other set is for power savings…Qualcomm comes out and says we can do the same thing with just 4. It’s more of a marketing gimmick

        • Christopher Riner

          Yeah, I was thinking it was something like this.

          I saw a report from chip analysts saying the tegra 4 was gonna out perform even the 800 series qualcomm’s. I wonder how the numbers stack up against samsungs new exynos. I heard it actually was gonna be a winner of a chip, but personally I’m wanting to see that tegra make light work of the competition.

        • Hwangula

          Yes, with 3 billion dollar manufacturing investment.
          Qualcomm is febless and they outsourced their manufacturing to foundries like TSMC, and Samsung to make their processors.

    • hein

      The Exynos destroyed the Snapdragon in benchmarks. If I can’t get the superior chipset, this phone isn’t for me and you can all me all the names you like. If I’m going to be shovelling out about $600/700 for a phone it better have the best.

    • ceejw

      As someone who wants stable custom roms on my phone, I have no interest in buying a phone with an Exynos processor regardless of how fast it is.

    • zepfloyd

      You forget the ‘Octa’ is mostly marketing jumbo. Remember it’s the first big.LITTLE chip that uses the 4+4 layout. That’s great, but you never really want to be the first run user. Even by subtle comments from ARM Samsung is basically rushing it out to be first. Good luck. I have little doubt the Snapdragon 600 version will more stable to work with and have better battery life.

      • PhillipCun

        THIS. people don’t effing understand what they’re talking about when they claim that the 8 core will out perform the Snapdragon 600. ARM designed the big.LITTLE chip and Samsung came out swinging trying to be the first. Remember, Samsung is trying to do exactly what Apple does. Create marketing around the phone. This processor, and a ton of their new features are marketing gimmicks (no offense to Samsung loyalists, but this is the name of the game and Samsung is playing it well). The reason why the U.S. variant is coming out with the Snadragon 600 is because they couldn’t solve the battery life problem with our multiple radios in the US. While Qualcomm’s SoC outperforms the Octa chip in the US in terms of battery life. They made the right decision to give consumers to best experience.

        • hein

          No the reason as Samsung has admitted is that they couldn’t produce them fast enough to ship with the Galaxy S4. Don’t know where you picked up the battery thing, but until you actually have a test comparing the two you’re just speculating. Below are actual benchmark results.

          AnTuTu
          Samsung I9500 Galaxy S4 27417 (Exynos 5 Octa)
          Samsung I9505 Galaxy S4 23607 (Snapdragon 600)

          Quadrant
          Samsung I9500 Galaxy S4 12726 (Exynos 5 Octa)
          LG Optimus G Pro 12105 (Snapdragon 600)
          Samsung I9505 Galaxy S4 12028 (Snapdragon 600)

      • Doug Dunfee

        Oh, I’m not saying that the S600 is going to suck or anything comparatively I was just responding to the question at the end about whether CPU matters in buying decision.

        I’ll let the experts at Anandtech, Ars Technica, etc speak to which is better and why. Generally I’ve found Exynos devices to be snappier in non-scientific evaluations, but it’s possible the S600 will rock.

        If I had to rank my buying priorities it’d be.

        1. Screen
        2. Power or Performance (CPU / RAM / Storage)
        3. Battery life/size
        4. Camera quality
        5. Accessories and ports

        Oh and it goes without saying the thing better be easily unlockable so I can put a good ROM on it if and when their software gets crappy.