Comments on: Video: New Quick Settings Menu in Android 4.2, Double Notification Menus Incoming?

By: Abgar Musayelyan

Abgar Musayelyan — Sat, 20 Oct 2012 05:26:00 +0000

You can’t use the word kitten in any form, it’s been patented by Apple as the next version of mac os.

By: Woody Fentress

Woody Fentress — Wed, 17 Oct 2012 21:45:00 +0000

I think two fingers would be cool. Either having two fingers on the notification bar bring up a settings shade or two fingers on the notification bar once the shade is already down to expand it to show settings.

By: Trey W

Trey W — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:44:00 +0000

Well there’s a feature I will be looking forward to in the next few days when a new AOKP releases. Does expanding and scrolling get misinterpreted sometimes in your experience?

By: Trey W

Trey W — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:43:00 +0000

True enough, I can definitely see your point. Personally, my favorite configuration is hidden toggles that expand in the notification area and collapse when you don’t need them. Right now I’m running a rom without the collapse option and it’s not ideal. Almost 1/3 of my notification area is taken up by the toggles add that to my Gmail notification when expanded and that’s almost my whole notification tray used.

I can concede that embedding the toggles in the notification areas is probably the simplest option from a interaction standpoint but at the same time I can understand the counter balance Google had to try to make with allowing for more data rich notifications. It just boils down to individual users. Personally, I want my notification area to serve as a hub for quick information and losing space for toggles that I don’t use often isn’t ideal.

Final point, it seems like Google will be implementing some quick toggles into Google Now which may be an easier thing for users to pick up then using the double swipe toggle. Though I find the whole thing a little gimmicky compared to just having a button.

By: Wes Campbell

Wes Campbell — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:33:00 +0000

no no no… i meant what i said there… it just works… when you pull your notification down and you see wifi, bluetooth, gps, and whatever other toggles your rom dev chooses to put on there, can you just click them and it toggle them? of course you can. that’s what i mean. most people know how to do this. (hence why samsung is doing it) most people wouldn’t understand and say “why do i have to pull down twice?” that’s what i meant by it being embedded in notifications.
the reason i’m shooting holes in it is because we’ve already got a way to do it that works great and IN MY OPINION we’re going back a step having to pull down twice.

By: Adam Truelove

Adam Truelove — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 17:49:00 +0000

While I agree with you mostly, I think Google is trying to get away from making it easy for people to constantly fiddle with stuff all the time. Sometimes people fiddle with settings because it’s so easy to, not because they need to. Google is striving for a simple/streamlined experience without buttons and sliders and toggles all over the place. If you want all that, that’s what the dev community is for.

By: calum wilper

calum wilper — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:19:00 +0000

haha they are suing asus, htc and motorola. They are cases that haven’t gotten as much publicity as apple vs. samsung, but they’re there. Everyone is suing everyone to be honest but apple has a history of stealing something, altering it slightly (maybe even improving it: see- GUI) and then jealously guarding it like pack rats and out suing everyone else who has similar technology. Apple has created a form a running a business that as of late involves making sure no one else can make a product like yours rather than just out-inventing the competition which is what they built their image on. I won’t deny their products are good (with the exception of siri and apple maps) but they’re overpriced and they use shady techniques to squeeze more money out of people (like their specialized charging port and adapters for macbooks) and then market it as being simpler and easier to use. It would seem simpler to me if they just used the micro usb that every other phone uses (even before the iphone, every phone i’ve ever owned used that same plug, this includes three flip phones before i owned an og droid). Instead they’re so concentrated on distancing themselves from everyone else that in the end their consumers are losing out. I reiterate that i realize that apple is not the only company that uses practices like this but i will say that they are the only one’s that almost exclusively use these practices all at once as method of business.

By: Joshua Bailey

Joshua Bailey — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:17:00 +0000

It’s a 4.1.2 thing, and you can still use the 2 fingers, but there is now the ability to use two.

By: Adam Truelove

Adam Truelove — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:55:00 +0000

I agree, but I think most of the time Google leaves this kind of stuff up to the developers unless they truly believe it is adding value for a vast majority of users. For instance, I couldn’t care less about settings toggles and I’m sure there are others like me.

By: michael arazan

michael arazan — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:05:00 +0000

android was around in 2005 before ios was even released.

By: michael arazan

michael arazan — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:04:00 +0000

No apple would just explain that one of their general vague patents already covers this and then say their over vague and general patent is being infringed upon.

By: Mastabrozif

Mastabrozif — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:55:00 +0000

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By: Justin W

Justin W — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:29:00 +0000

Don’t forget the most recent one… “Unlocking by moving your finger along a predefined path” – that is so much BS.

By: brgulker

brgulker — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:32:00 +0000

Love this in AOKP and CM (and prior in Sense ROMs), so nice.

By: pdyk

pdyk — Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:53:00 +0000

@51dff15f77c28634f97094f0a6c8bf11:disqus What are you talking about? The big picture here is perfectly clear. Apple isn’t targeting Samsung because “they copied everything”, they are targeting Samsung because they are the most successful Android manufacturer to date, which makes them a convenient target for the patent war against Android. The big picture is all about money, not personal vendettas. Samsung has been the most formidable opponent to the iPhone to date, so they have been targeted more heavily by Apple. You can be damn sure the same thing would be true if HTC or Asus was the Android leader.

Apple’s main target isn’t Samsung, it’s Google. They are waging the patent war to try and slow the advance of Android’s market share. It’s just business and it makes more sense for Apple to go after the hardware manufacturers than to directly target Google. Not only has Google amassed many of its own relevant patents over the past few years, but they have ample Cash reserves to wage a serious legal battle.

Not to mention suing Google directly would be really bad publicity. Apple is already nearing a tipping point and needs to be very careful how they are going to further proceed in the patent war. They are already being portrayed as a bully, if they keep that up that could have a serious impact on the opinions of consumers which ultimately hurts their bottom line.

The big picture really just comes down to money. Apple wants to slow the advance of Android. They target the hardware manufacturers and thereby indirectly attack Google, forcing design changes in future versions of Android while slowing creativity. The patent war is unsustainable long term, and ultimately all of these companies are going to come together with some kind of cross-patent licensing agreements. Apple knows it, Samsung knows it, Google knows it. There all just trying to gain leverage over each other so they can negotiate a better licensing deal in the end.

Hopefully those agreements will come sooner rather than later. The real losers in this “war” are the consumers, regardless of whether you use an Apple product, a Google product, or a Microsoft product.