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Tin Foil Hat Time: Server Logs Hint at Motorola Nexus Tablet and Phone?

Oh boy, Nexus fever has gotten so out of control these days, that we’re spending nights in our parents’ basements digging through server logs to find clues. Brace yourselves, because if the wild conclusion jumping that you are about to experience is correct, we could have two Motorola Nexus devices on our hands. Try to follow along with the madness after the break. Hypebeast in full effect. 

The Clues!

According to activity in server logs from the crew over at Android Police, two devices by the names “manta” and “occam” have appeared running unreleased versions of Jelly Bean. Actually, the builds are Android 4.2, which we have been talking quite a bit about recently, a build which is expected to launch on the next Nexus. These logs show a variety of Jelly Bean builds – JOO92B and JOP04C are examples – that obviously, have not been released thus far. So normally, when unreleased versions of Android show up, we assume they are running on a Nexus device. Why on Earth would an OEM have an early look at Jelly Bean before Google, right?

OK, so we have Android 4.2 on two devices. How did we get to the idea that they could be made by Motorola? Well, AP is jumping to the conclusion that “occam” is in reference to Occam’s Razor, which could in turn be a subtle hint at a Motorola Nexus RAZR. A big jump, I know, but hey, it’s a wild world! I don’t know that Motorola has ever been that clever in their codenames for devices, but with Google in charge, their naming game could have been stepped up. (Yes, there is a bit of sarcasm in there.)

The other device carries the name “manta” which AP is connecting to the previous Motorola XOOM tablets, which carried the codenames Stingray and Wingray. Manta has to mean Mantaray, right?!? Or, it’s simply a fish reference, which many Nexus devices have carried in the past and has nothing to do with Motorola. Or it’s a coincidence. Tough to tell, especially from something as simple and info-weak as a server log.

The Verdict!

I’d be the first the admit that the unveiling of a Motorola Nexus phone would be a joyous occasion (the tablet would have to win me over). I don’t necessarily believe that server logs have given us that much hope in that happening, just yet. However, this could help point towards the idea that there will be more than one Nexus device over the next couple of months. And who knows, maybe the LG Nexus phone that the world can’t stop talking about is the occam?

Loads of questions and tin foil hats, not a lot of answers.

Via:  Android Police

  • Not sure why there is so much speculation and guessing on who will be making the next Nexus device. Google now owns one of the largest manufactures of mobile devices on the planet and holds a large catalog of patents. Logic dictates that Google will start pushing Nexus devices through it’s new mobility MFR Wing, Motorola Mobility. Seems most of this hype is to direct more traffic to this site (no offense), I love Droid Life, check it every day. But all this fake hype is silly. Why would Google outsource Nexus when they own the factories….Maybe some previous contract obligations, but if they do have any left they won’t be outsourcing too much longer.

  • Their devies are solid peices of craftmanship, if you can overlook the screen issues. Now no one really likes OEM Skins (that is the basic reason most prefer a nexus or aosp roms). A Motorola Nexus = Non-skinned Android on a well built device.

    My OG Droid still runs fine and hasnt fallen apart and feels so good in your hand. Samsung phones feel light and cheap (not that they are my Nexus hasn’t broken yet), to the point that I tend to baby it. I think HTC would make a great Nexus phone as well especially if it took design elements of the TBolt (what a great peice of hardware, aside from battery life and radios, but hey it was the Beta for LTE).

  • Anonymous

    Clarification: The Manta tablet is a Samsung Nexus tablet. I held one this weekend. It’s gorgeous, 16×9, 10″ or so screen and has stereo speakers. It’s also VERY thin and has a front and back camera, the latter with a flash. I couldn’t get any information from the About screen, hardware-wise, other than it was Manta and was running Jelly Bean MR1. My brief time with it didn’t give any insight to what’s been updated in 4.2 vs 4.1. But, that tablet was FAST.

  • Motorola confirm Motorola Nexus Razr on this video http://youtu.be/vNw8AQQvXgc (Minutes 3 and second 7).

    • Alex Goodwin

      He clearly says, “Next is RAZR.”

  • Alan Paone

    This is probably motorola working with the PDK, they said that part of it is early access to the new source. Either that or google finally gave up on the firewall stuff and is letting motorola work with their own newest software. How embarrasing would it be if motorola released annother phone with an old version of android?

  • XvierX

    Nooooo! If this is true i’m going to have my 3rd phone this year. Can this at least wait until early next year?

  • IceDree

    damn, you had some bad luck with Motorola !
    My experience (4 devices so far) was & still totally different from you !

    I’d an OG MileStone (OG DROID’s European cousin 🙂 ) for a year , one time i was crossing the street while talking on the phone & it slept from my hand to the hot asphalt (It was 42 c degrees) & a Taxi ran over it … on purpose !!!
    Nothing happened to the phone , Nothing , none , zip , nada , not a scratch … it didn’t even drop the call !!!
    The downside , My father heard me cussing the taxi driver 🙁

    I understand though , Everyone says Nokia have a great build quality , but I had two different “High-End” phones fell apart in less than a year !

  • What are the odds of Verizon going along with this one? {{-_-}}

  • Make sure it’s a Nexus HD MAXX. I hope it also has a keyboard too.
    Better yet, why not make it a package deal? We could sure use some discounts. (No contract necessary, please.) {{-_-}}

  • Scott Hartman

    I don’t think linking Occam to the RAZR is much of a stretch – seriously, what else could Sir William of Occam be associated with? It’s not like Occam is a common name, and there certainly aren’t any fish references that go with it.

    Manta on the other hand I totally agree provides no useful information…except that more than one device is running the new software.

  • Bionic

    well if ur penis is that small…………

  • Diablo81588

    That seems to be limited to your experience. My dad has my old Droid x and it works just as well as the first day it was bought. Over two years old and running strong.

    • MicroNix

      If you go read the Droid 1 and Droid 3 forums, you will find I was definitely not alone with those very specific issues. I’ll rest my case there.

  • It better have a freakin sliding keyboard…

    • Bionic

      it wont

  • The lcd on the atrix hd is pretty awesome. I’m honestly surprised they aren’t using it for the Razr HD.

    • kixofmyg0t

      I think they have a Super AMOLED that’s just as good in store for the RAZR HD.

  • I’m not to knowledgeable about the subject but is there any reason why the Razr’s are exclusive to Verizon? Is there any chance that if at all true, this Razr Nexus will come out on all major carriers?

    • Bionic

      it’ll be in the play store more than likely. I think google has demanded this

      • More than likely just for GSM carriers though? I plan on moving to sprint because their 4G should be going live here in Los Angeles in the coming months and wouldn’t mind having a nexus razr on their network.

  • Matthew Merrick

    my guesses, assuning these rumors are correct:
    -occam = Razr Nexus, but NOT a Razr Nexus Maxx, so many of us won’t care
    -manta = Nexus 10, aka Nexus Xoom, will be a variant of the Xoom 3/Xyboard 2, and will replace the OG Xoom as the flagship carrier-based android tablet

  • Akashshr

    Razr Nexus, Nexus MAXX! Oh please anything! It will be the perfect Superphone!

  • Big_EZ

    I’d love for it to be in the RAZR/HD shell, 4.9″ screen (it could fit , I measured it) or at least the 4.7″ with 2 gb of ram, microSD slot (if not then at least 64gb, 96 or 128 would be great) built with the same materials and finish as the Droid X. then call it the RAZR neXus and profit.

  • brandnew234

    And even more recently than the Bionic, th RAZR HD wasn’t cutting edge, either.

  • brandnew234

    Actually, it’ll probably be sold through the Play Store. I know that’s where I’m buying from.

  • Corey Foltman

    i feel like i’m going to end up having to leave vzw for att…since there is slim to no chance vzw will carry another nexus…

    • brandnew234

      I doubt it will matter, each device will be sold through the Play Store, probably before carriers are able to sell them, so just buy off contract (I doubt they’re expensive off contract, maybe 400ish?)

      • Corey Foltman

        would verizon allow it on their network since it won’t be branded with their holy name? haha…and since it wouldnt be branded vzw and would be straight from google. could vzw still stall the updates for 6+months as usual?

        • Philip A. Kaiser

          I think VZW would allow it because Motorola and Google both have enough leverage now to make it happen. Keep in mind, VZW doesn’t make money from selling devices, they make their money on service. Their in house phones are all aligned to push you into additional crap (aka bloatware) but I think they would assume that selling an unsubsidized unlocked phone is going to appeal to such a small group that they would allow it to happen. I doubt they ever thought as many Gnexs would sell as have to date. But in comparison to the SIII, the Gnex crowd is just a small niche.

        • brandnew234

          No, they could not do that to an unlocked phone.

    • Bionic

      wrong, the negotiations last week included nexus phones.

  • brandnew234

    I’m trying to hobble along with my Droid 2 Global, I’m due for an upgrade. And I need one, my phone can’t really hold a charge through a day. I’m torn though, between a Galaxy Note II (in November), and a HTC Nexus 5, and maybe even whatever Moto has up it’s sleeves. Decisions, decisions.

    • Bionic

      when it comes to motorola, i will always wait for them. Motorola has never failed me, accept with the bionic ICS stuff, but that was majorly verizon’s fault

      • brandnew234

        Yes, if Motorola has a CDMA Nexus, that’s what I’m getting. Unless HTC’s Nexus 5 really exists and has a good battery life.

  • nightscout13

    You didn’t like the SAMOLED on the RAZR line?

  • AndreGSNE

    Damn. i just got GNex! I thought it would only be a tablet this year…

  • Shaun

    This is not the first time I have heard the rumors about a Nexus Razr. 🙂

  • Bsody

    I can only hope…VZW is my only option.

    • Corey Foltman

      if google sold a cdma version for verizon from the play store, vzw couldnt slow the updates down, right? but then would vzw actually let you use it on their network…

      • Big_EZ

        I don’t think they can stop you. Part of their frequency is owned by the public so they have to adhere to certain rules or they’ll be fined and then lose it.

      • Bionic

        the FCC would fine them

      • Verizon can block phone’s from accessing their network. If they want to keep a new Moto Nexus sold from the play store they would just block network access to those devices IDs.

      • brandnew234

        They could not block updates, but they could block network access, however I doubt even Verizon would do that.

  • Bsody

    Dude, that was my point.

    • rockstar323

      My apologies, I thought you were one of the GNex/Samsung trolls. I have a Gnex also and would leave Verizon in a second for a Motorola RAZR if they didn’t offer it.

      • Bsody

        I am an anything Nexus type of guy, well maybe not the Q, but sadly I can’t leave Verizion unless I move.

  • Captain_Doug

    The Xyboard was well built. Throw a better screen, processor and whatever else, and it’d be pretty cool. Especially the 8.2″. I think that was a great size.

  • stop the teasing already

  • Big_EZ

    Many of us have had great reception and build quality from moto but not from the other manufacturers. For me Samsung and LG have always had poor signal and HTC has had horrible build quality.

  • Seedster

    Long live the hypebeast.

  • As soon as I saw JOO92B, I called BS. JOO92B is impossible by normal build conventions. JOO92B would actually be JOP02B. So either DL is flat-out lying, or someone is trolling the server logs…

  • qmartman711

    i dont see a future nexus getting a micro sd card slot…what’s the purpose? sd cards become corrupt and their storage isn’t nearly as fast-

    • Philip A. Kaiser

      To answer the second part of your question, take a flight to Sydney without wifi and then you can easily see the value of having a pocket full of loaded SD cards and a couple spare batteries. Since I swapped over to my Gnex, “stuff” due to the lack of space. (apps, music, movies, photos, etc) The question shouldn’t be why do I need one, the question is why not just put in something that people enjoy. Just because you prefer bluetooth headphones, does that mean we just remove the headphone jack? Removable and expandable memory was one of the very first thing that set Android phones apart from the Apple guys. Why go backwards on that thought?

      • Alan Paone

        Well, If headphones made the inner workings of the entire phone more complex, and occasionally fried all your music, I’d say turf ’em.

  • AndroidUser00110001

    It’s a new Droid…keyboard lovers rejoice 🙂

    Correct on tablet…reference design tablet but not Nexus.

  • evltwn

    But they have to upgrade the camera. The one in the RAZR M is a joke. Hopefully the RAZR MAXX HD will have a better camera.

  • dsass600

    Whoever makes a Nexus with a 1080P display, S4 Pro processor, and amazing battery life is the one I’ll buy.

  • Bionic

    This phone may not be out until next year.

  • moelsen8

    Hypebeast ftw. Love it.

  • Jon

    oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please

  • Well regardless if these are Motorola devices, it’s safe to say we’re looking at at least 1 or 2 Nexus devices for the end of the year along side a LG Nexus

  • Bsody

    Perceived build quality and radios mostly. People who do not drop their phones would like them to be as rigid as possible, and think that “flimsy plastic” makes the phone fragile, while material science and physics say otherwise.
    As for the radios, I just had my fully pimped out GNex sitting right next to a friend of mine’s Droid X. GNex -83dB, Droid X -73dB.

    • will bartlett
      • Bsody

        The GNex was running 4.1 and the DX 4.04. I do believe that was fixed with ICS? Btw, we were both on 3G…no LTE love here yet.

    • Oh stop it… Some (many) just don’t like all plastic phones. They like their phones to feel solid and not cheapish… has nothing to do with dropping. On the radios: Regardless of what your little test just told you its widely accepted fact that Motorola’s radios are the best.

      • will bartlett

        yes but you cant compare a gnex to a dx…it doesnt work.

        • Bsody

          From the article you referenced earlier, the Gingerbread signal isnt worth a $hit. Can you compare a Gummy ICS DX with a JB GNex? Honest question, no trolling here.

      • Bsody

        That was more a poke at any iPhone fans who may be trolling droid life today. But as I stated, perceived build quality. As for the test, you do realize that the Motorola won right?

        • Nope, didn’t pay close enough attention. My apologies.

          • Bsody

            No worries friend. The real test comes tomorrow. See if he gets reception in a particular bathroom, if so I’ll be jealous.

      • Corey Foltman

        i dont get the hole plastic feel debate…maybe its because i put a case on mine straight out of the box.

        • Well, I don’t see it as a debate, I just see it as a personal preference thing. And yes, being a case user changes some things.. I personally don’t use a case.

          • Corey Foltman

            i didnt use a case with my og droid. and at the end of 2years it looks like hell…but wasnt broken…but with the razr and my gnex i bought a case the first day.

          • I hear ya and understand. My reason for not using cases is that I choose my phones partly on looks. I don’t like covering up one of the reasons I bought it. Just another preference thing.

  • If Moto could do us all a favor and leave out that “ColorBoost” display they love so much, it’d be greatly appreciated! ^^

    • Larizard

      what’s wrong with color boost?

  • Diablo81588

    Fingers crossed!!!

  • For a year or so (I am not sure about the time actually) this was solely a Motorola site, so part of it comes from that. I am really not sure either, as Motorola has made just as many bad hardware decisions as they have made good ones.

  • Diablo81588

    Build quality. Battery life. Radios.

  • sc4fpse

    You would think, but what happened to the RAZR Maxx HD? That’s going to be a Verizon flagship late this year. A Motorola Nexus on Verizon would never be allowed, as it would steal some of that device’s thunder.

    • tomn1ce

      If the Razr Maxx HD and a Motorola Nexus both end up in vzw the profits are going to the same overall bank account. Vzw won’t loose any profit and Moto will make good profits from both devices. I’m just hoping that if vzw gets another Nexus they won’t mess up the OS upgrade like they have done with the G-Nexus. I hope Goolge puts their foot down and slap some sense into vzw releasing timely updates……Forget vze releasing updates, Google should just push out the updates when they have it ready for all the devices without having vzw interfere with it.

      • acras

        Verizon will screw it up , guaranteed . They have shown , time and again , that they will delay updates , force more crap bloatware , and lie about “network security” . The true purpose of Nexus is lost when you are on Verizon.

        • Except the whole open source, unlocked bootloader, and full binary support from AOSP that allows ROMs to run flawlessly, Loving my VZW Nexus as much as I hate VZW.

          • Corey Foltman

            except they found another way to block wallet updates in the market…anyone have the new apk?

        • chris125

          they will add the droid name to it and load it full of bloat.

    • Philip A. Kaiser

      Ahh, but they could sell them differently. They could offer the RAZR Maxx HD in VZW stores like all of their other phones while the MOTO Nexus might be sold exclusively via the play store at an unsubsidized price. They are both for Verizon, but the Nexus might be treated like the original Nexus. This would end any “in-store” conflicts.

  • wombat90

    If they are releasing this many Nexus devices, i really hope one has a keyboard…


    • Been a while. Feels good. 😛

  • Greg Morgan

    Ugh stupid Disqus…

    • Yeah it’s acting up today. We think we have it back under control.

  • nightscout13

    If this is true, I will be buying both devices.

  • Havoc70

    Keep the Info coming Kellex, i cant wait, it all sounds too good to be true

  • sc4fpse

    DO WANT.

  • Big_EZ

    Now I’m getting excited. Anybody need a liver, I have one for sale?

  • I’m wondering now if Stingray and Wingray were more of a nexus-type naming scheme than a Motorola naming scheme. That would seem a little more likely than linking the the other way around.

    OTOH maybe the “open to all” nexus program is Googles way of getting a Motorola Nexus out the door without offending any of the other OEMs.

    I think everyone is getting a little too excited anyway, in theory, all the Nexus devices would have to have identical hardware(radios, cpu, etc.) so even if there were a Motorola Nexus it would have the same internals as the rest of them.

    • I’m thinking it’s a Nexus naming scheme rather than OEM specific, but you never know. Google has a mind of their own, a weird one at that.

    • Jigga_Z

      I wondered about the naming too, but then I remembered that the Nexus One has the devicename “Passion”, whereas the Samsung Nexus devices are named after fish (toro, maguro). So while this isn’t a ton of info to go on, it may be that the naming scheme is OEM specific, implying that a “manta” device name links to Motorola.

    • brandnew234

      No, not the exact same. I think it’ll be like WP, you can change things around, choose CPU, GPU, RAM, radios but they have to meet or beat a certain bar set relatively high. Right now, I think a duel core S4 is the worst CPU you can put in a Nexus device. Maybe 2 gb RAM too. So they’ll be similar, but noticeably different.

  • Good_Ole_Pinocchio

    Dam it Kellex don’t go getting our hopes up! Lol this is a massive stretch… But I’m still holding out hope!

    • MASSIVE, but hey, stretches are fun after a long run.

      • THe one

        That’s what she said.

        • michael arazan

          Rumor Mills are putting out a lot of Smoke today! Gotta love the fun.
          Thank you Detective K

  • I would love a Nexus Maxx!!!