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Mega-Rumor: Details of the Galaxy Nexus, Ice Cream Sandwich as 2.4, and Galaxy SIII Revealed?

Where oh where do we start with this one. How about with the source?  It all comes courtesy of some random dude over at 4chan, so basically take this as pure rumor and something to simply spark conversation.  We wanted to share it though, because the homeboy goes into some lengthy in-depth detail of not only the Samsung “Galaxy Nexus” (aka Nexus Prime) and Ice Cream Sandwich, but he also brought up next year’s unannounced/unrumored beast, the Galaxy SIII.  According to his story, Samsung reps cruised into his workplace this morning to show off the next Nexus and then also show slides of what they expect to be the 2012 edition of the Galaxy series.

Everyone ready for this bag of sillyness?  

Galaxy Nexus

The device was called the Galaxy Nexus, not the Prime (something that has most likely been a codename).  Looks similar to the Sprint Galaxy SII, but with a curved screen similar to the Nexus S.  It’s headed “exclusively” to Verizon which is the reason they passed on the Galaxy SII.  It has a 4.65″ HD display (1280×720), 1GB of RAM, 16GB internal storage, SD card slot, is 8.8mm thick, and has a 2000 mAh battery.

Odd thing here, is that he said the phone is running an Exynos processor clocked at 1.5GHz.  We all know now that the next Nexus will run a TI OMAP chip, so he is either wrong, or this Verizon edition is going to be a lot different than the actual Nexus device that will likely head to other carriers.  Also, the Exynos as far as we know, does not work with LTE.

Ice Cream Sandwich

The Galaxy Nexus that he used was running Ice Cream Sandwich and showed a version number of Android 2.4.1.  It “works like Gingerbread” but has undergone a major face lift with smoother menus, better animations, and a “glassy” look to everything.   The app drawer appears to be customizable with folders (like the new Blur) and has sections for Apps, Games and Widgets – feels a lot cleaner than any other build.

There is a preview mode for widgets, that allows you to see how your widget will look on a screen before you actually place it on there.  Icons appear much more “shiny” than in the past and there are blues and purples all over rather than the green we saw in 2.3.

The Gmail, calendar, and browser apps have all been re-done.  Gmail includes panels in landscape view like in Honeycomb.  Calendar app apparently received a similar overhaul with blue color scheme.  Browser has also been completely re-done with tabs at the “bottom” of the screen, better pinch-to-zoom and a new icon that features Bugdroid.

Galaxy SIII

According to this report, Samsung is currently planning to unveil the SGS3 at MWC in 2012, similarly to what they did with the SGS2 this year, but with hopes of doing a worldwide release rather than the slow country-by-country rollout.

The specs are certainly “subject to change”, but will apparently look something like:  2.0GHz Sammy-developed processor, 1.5GB of RAM, 32GB internal storage, SD slot, and a 4.65″ “Super AMOLED III” display that can do 352ppi.  It will also have a 10MP camera that can shoot 1080p video at 60fps, 2250mAh battery, NFC chip, and Ice Cream Sandwich with TouchWiz 5 over top of it playing a “minor” roll.

No demo phone was available while Samsung continues to finish off the screen technology.


I’m not really even sure what to think – it almost just makes me laugh and shake my head.  It’s from 4chan of all places, so let’s not put too much money on any of this coming true.  The guy clearly went into a lot of detail, but trolls seem to have more time for crap like this than anyone else.  It’s at least fun to talk about though, right?  Crossing fingers?

You can read the whole story over at 4chan.

Cheers Nate for the image.

  • If the Samsung Galaxy Droid Prime doesn’t have LTE I will throw my OG through a wall… It will survive untouched because it’s the best device that Verizon has released. Although I laugh at the thought of it not having LTE, I guess we really don’t know yet. How badass would it be if they had a commercial for this SGDP which featured it’s granddad?

  • Larry Jr. Lima

    Who made that Nexus logo? is that fan-made or is that dug up somewhere?

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  • Kornfag11

    I still can’t believe that no one has picked up on the fact that, google has been releasing one “open” google phone a year to each phone carrier. One phone, one carrier, one year.

    • Yeahdog

      Never noticed that. Hmmm…

    • Yeah…. For two whole years. That’s not exactly scientific proof that things won’t be different the third time around.

  • Blood

    Am I the only person who doesn’t know who 4chan is? Is he like the brother of Jackie Chan or something? Why do you guys hate him?

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know how he’d get 352 ppi from a 4.65″. You’d have to have a 1280×800 resolution at 4.3 inches to get 352 ppi.

    I really hope that the “Galaxy Nexus” will have an Exynos instead of the OMAP4460 but it seems pretty unlikely.

    I bet you the Galaxy S III SoC will have a 2 or 4 core PowerVR graphics processor like their iPad/iPhone and PlayStation Vita SoC’s.

  • Carlito Pr787

    Gotta love all these comments

  • im actually glad that I am moving in 2 weeks so I have not yet upgraded my device yet.  So thats two more weeks for me to see what is coming out, what I want to get, and what would make me happy.

  • MountainMan

    I have lurking since January, waiting for a phone that actually lives up to the hype. I have had my BB Storm for almost 3 years, ugh! I thought the Thunderbolt would be mine….battery sucked. The patiently waited for the Bionic…..nope. I would spring for the Galaxy S2, but Verizon screwed me…again.

    So here’s what I’ve decided. I’m going to keep my $300 all safe and secure until one of two things happen. If my Storm dies, I’ll get the best phone available at that time or wait for the S3. I’m sick and tired of carriers deciding what phone I can use on their network. Why can’t one of the other carriers get their act together and build a reliable network like Verizon. If they did, I’d be gone….long gone.

  • Anonymous

    The 2000Mah battery makes me think this is BS even though that is less unbelievable than a 720p screen.  Maybe it’s the fact I can’t see a phone that thin with such a huge battery.

    Still though, I would love for this to be real (especially since the Exynos SoC is better than the OMAP4) but it just feels like BS.

  • Brttwrd

    The screen size is being thought of too irrationally, are you guys so retarded that you have not heard that hardware buttons are now software buttons? Just cuz the screen is bigger doesnt mean the phone is bigger… necessarily, and now without a bigger screen, your screen will be lacking because the home, menu, back, and search buttons have to go somewhere. Seriously, sdfu, this is what most ics phones will probably have.

  • Anonymous

    Using 4chan as a source..FIRED. Give me a f*cking break. This is the most pathetic and childish wanna be journalist of all time. 

  • Jarred Sutherland

    ROFL 4chan, you have lost ALL CREDIBILITY. You could have lied and said he was from somewhere else, even if the lie was discovered it wouldn’t have cost you as much as you just coming straight out and stating it was a 4channer. Wow.

    • Anonymous

      Actually, since most Android news/rumor sites have been all posting the same thing over the past week or so, with sources semi-confirming a lot of these rumors, it seems that he did the right thing by being forthright in the beginning. I would say that in addition, you have shown yourself to be quite ridiculous.

  • Anonymous

    Didn’t know you cruised /b/. Nasty habit, worse than smoking for your health.

  • Anonymous


  • mikeym0p

    Most of the ICS stuff is based off of the images rootzwiki leaked. I just hope that scrolling is smoothed out like it is on Honeycomb thanks to GPU rendering.

  • Anonymous

    iim also dissapointed its not called nexus prime anymore. I really liked that name. but im just nitpicking. ;p

  • Anonymous

    im not happy happy about 2.4.1 as the version number. they make it so confusing. why would they go from 3.0 to 2.4?

    • Honeycomb was 3.0. Froyo was 2.2, Gingerbread was 2.3, ICS is 2.4, natural progression.

    • Hoosiercub

      I’m sorry to hear that version numbers are going to ruin a smartphone experience for you, sad.

  • Don’t feed the trolls!

  • Don’t feed the trolls!

  • Anonymous

    Fake, why would a samsung rep just randomly come in this guys office and show all this stuff? Someone just has to much time on their hands

  • webby

    I call fake — there is no way that the Prime will NOT be running LTE.   Verizon passed on the Galaxy SII because it was 3G.

    • Anonymous

      doesn’t the sprint galaxy s ii have 4g wimax? correct me if im wrong.

      • Nuts

        not the same as 4G LTE

  • Bmos

    Why would they release this phone with no lte makes no sense

  • Anonymous

    Kellex, what the heck were you doing at 4chan?  I feel like I need to take a shower just thinking about that site.

  • Jim Mutter

    For a long time I’ve been disappointed that Droid-Life will report on almost anything, no matter how unsubstantiated, so long as there’s mention of Android.  Now, however, you’ve really jumped the shark.  4chan?  

    Good Lord, man.  Does your credibility mean nothing to you?  

  • WalkingDead

    I will purchase that nexus day one, cautiously optimistic for LTE. I’ve been saving my upgrade for this phone since it was rumored to be coming to verizon but if no LTE I’ve already decided on the HTC Vigor/incredible thingamawhatever(jeez and I thought game consoles had bad names)

  • I don’t think the first part is sketchy at all.  I do think rumors on a GS3 are complete bs though.  Even if they aren’t…Why would sammy release any details at all.  By the time the phone is released a million things could have changed…

  • Is this “Nexus Galaxy” definitely a LTE phone? Or is this an assumption like the GSII?
    If not, would explain 8.8 thick with a 2000mh battery and an exynos processor. 
    I’m thinking he was mistaken on a few things, just doesn’t add up if it’s def an LTE phone.

    • compchick813

      I agree.  I don’t see how it could be that thin and have LTE in addition to the large battery.  Sounds like maybe it isn’t LTE.

  • Trooper

    Well, I just hope it comes to VZW and is truly a Nexus device.  Until we get some real facts meh.  However its cool to speculate and dream I suppose.

  • HeliosAI

    Just when I start warming up to a possible 4.5 screen, it gets even bigger! haha oh well.

  • PIxPlz

    pix or it didnt happen

  • Anonymous

    Everything actually sounds legit!

  • i’m going to purchase this phone for scarlett johansson

    • Anonymous

      Before you give the phone to her hack it so it sends me all pictures taken with it.

  • Jason Purp

    I honestly have no clue of what to do now. Tomorrow I was going to buy the Bionic at full retail price, but now I might want the Nexus. I’m gonna have to decide within a few hours I suppose… f***.

    • Sinofue

      Don’t do it. Mine’s going back. The hiss/buzz/whine on the audio is killing me.

      • Jason Purp

        Is this with or without headphones?

        • Sinofue


  • Idiots

    come on, guys, you’re seriously posting this garbage?  You’re borderline in droidguy territory here.

  • FortitudineVincimus

    “We all know now that the next Nexuswill run a TI OMAP chip,”

    really, how do WE know this? I dont know this. Do you “think” this by all of these endless rumors? How do you know that is any more true than what he says?

    “There is a preview mode for widgets, that allows you to see how your widget will look on a screen before you actually place it on there. ”

    yeah, as if adding or removing a widget is so brutally hard?

  • Anonymous

    the nexus “prime” has a “mega” rumor tag on it. has no one seen the humor in this? 🙂

    • HeyBro

      Good job bro.

      See what I did there?

    • EC8CH

      I’d call this guy… Mega-Trol.

      …only 1 letter off

      • tom_cullen

        Why am i Mega troll? I don’t see how making a bad transformers joke makes me even a regular troll?

        • EC8CH

          I was referring to the 4chan poster.

          • Anonymous

            my bad sorry! so, i’m not a troll, just a dumbass 🙂

  • Could Sammy not have redesigned their processors to work with future LTE devices?  They likely know that would be a deal breaker for many consumers and phone manufacturers.  

  • Anonymous

    If they release it on verizon without lte that will be a huge fail

  • Anonymous

    I’ll tell you what, most trolls always leave themselves an out, so they don’t look like complete idiots later. This guy provided seriously specific details, which could either make him a reliable source or completely discredit him inside of 6 weeks. (ICS is likely to be unveiled between now and then)

    The lack of LTE would be the big dealbreaker for me here.

  • Pcman1911

    1.5 GB of ram?????. Why would they put uneven amount of Ram in a device. Sounds fishy to me…

    •  What do you mean uneven?  The Moto Droid has 512mb of RAM, the Sensation has 768mb of RAM, etc.

  • ChrisI

    Why keep circulating the rumors if they’re clearly unreliable? This site is almost as bad as FOX News and the Heritage Foundation.

    • Sinofue

      Really? Like the rumor the economy is in the tank because of Obummer?

      • you do know that the collapse started under Bush right? 

        • Sinofue

          I’m sure it probably started even before that. But the fact is, what Obama’s doing now isn’t helping – it’s only making it worse. We’re digging ourselves into a debt hole we’ll never get out of. Enjoy your $600 phones while you can, people.

        • Captain Teleprompter

          Obama wishes the economy was as good as when Bush was president. Obama and his moron liberals in Congress wouldn’t know how to help the economy if their lives depended on it. They just want to buy votes and confuse voters about the mess they are making of everything. They might have you fooled but that is all they are doing, fooling you.

          • Anonymous

            you are right. Couldnt agree more. Obama does wish the economy was as good as when Bush Jr took office. He’d have the highest surplus of the countries history to ride on out of Clinton’s presidency. Dummy.

          • Captain Teleprompter

            Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury (lying under oath to a judge). It was not for sex with Monica as the liberals like to say.

            Hey mikesuds, maybe you were locked in a basement in 2001, but we had this thing called a terrorist attack. That could have rocked the economy for a decade, but the Bush tax cuts in 2001 and 2003, tax cuts for all Americans, stimulated the private sector and the economy went on a great run until the Democrats took control of Congress in 2006 and killed it with their idea that everyone should own a house whether they can afford it or not. That caused the housing bubble and when the bubble burst the rest is history.

            Obama has made things 1000% worse with his socialist policies. High taxes and massive regulations do not lead to a good economy. Obama has no clue what he is doing. Any rational American knows he is in way over his head.

            Hoosiercub, when you take money from some people and give it to another, and then promise to keep doing it if you re-elect that party, that is called buying votes. When you spend money we don’t have for certain sections of the population, or block Boeing from opening a factory to keep the unions happy, that is called buying votes. It is also called being a Democrat.

            Still voting Democrat? You’re stuck on stupid.

          • Anonymous

            As a small business owner during the Bush years I barely felt those tax cuts. Most of it went to huge corporations and the ultra-wealthy. Not only has Obama extended Bush’s tax cuts he also signed the ARRA into law which are further tax cuts. He’s done more tax cutting than even Bush. Clinton was never impeached, do you even know the meaning of the word? You really need to get off that Fox cool-aid.

          • Hoosiercub

            I think you may be slightly confused on the buying votes deal… Florida election much? There’s not much that friends and big oil money can’t buy.

          • Stelv81

            Umm we had a budget surplus and a thriving economy when Bill Clinton was president, but everyone hates him because he had a stiffy for Monica. When Bush became president (hanging chad, lost popular vote) he spent money like it was nobodies business, like investing in a pipeline that runs straight through Iraq and giving large government contracts to his vice presidents company haliburton…just so they can could create jobs in foreign countries. Yea it’s Obama’s fault, right.

          • No Clinton actually started this spiral were in

          • Crazy so he started a downward spiral that went down and then soared through Bush’s second turn only to nose dive before Bush left. Damn Clinton was powerful if he pulled that off. 

  • Anonymous

    Did anyone run this by p3Droid yet?  Apparently, he’s privy to some details about the Nexus according to his tweets last night.  Namely, not a vanilla Android device.

    • Yea I was thinking the whole time it wouldnt be a nexus device….this device will have touchwiz imo, just by leaks and what has been mentioned

  • Anonymous

    The specs for the gs3 are ridiculous

  • Anonymous

    “Also, the Exynos as far as we know, does not work with LTE.”
    This is true, and the best fact here.

  • Nate Surber

    Best case scenario, there are truths to the tipsters words.  Could be a retail chain corporate employee,
    BB?  No release date for the Prime is kinda
    shady though.  You would sure think that
    if they had a schedule for the GS3 then they’d have one for the Prime.  Worst case scenario, this “tipster” is the
    lovechild of a Hypebeast and a Troll who woke up today and decide to write his Magnum
    Opus.  If it is true, then it sounds like
    you’ll need a backpack with a car battery in it to power the GS3.

  • Dave

     November/December can’t come any sooner so we can finally put a lot of these rumors to rest.

  • John

    i probably won’t even have the money for this device, but i’m ready to sell my car for it

    /damn new tech

  • Anonymous

    THIS is why waiting for phones is stupid.
    People say you should skip the Bionic and wait for the Prime.

    Well, now are you going to skip the Prime and wait for the GS3?
    I recommend never waiting for phones. You will be waiting forever.

    • Anonymous

      Bionic – Sept
      Nexus 3 – Oct/Nov
      Difference – 1.5 to 2 months
      Verdict – Wait. It’s not that far away and the specs make minced meat out of the Bionic’s.

      Nexus 3 – Oct/Nov
      GS3 – Jun/Jul/Aug
      Difference – 8 to 10 months
      Verdict – Don’t wait – it is so far away. If you have the money, get both, or you can follow my plan to get N3 this Fall, skip GS3, and get N4 next Fall.

    • Anonymous

      I know what you mean, i think its stupid to wait “for the next phone”, so that means after waiting a whole year to a year and half, you finally get that magic phone and your all happy.  So you get home and fire up the web browser on your fancy wifi or 4g and then you go to this website and BOOM! Another better phone announced LOL.

    • See attached picture….

    • Anonymous

      While I tend to agree,my Droid X is the best phone I have ever had and I have had all of them except thy Bionic. Sent back the T-bolt when the Charge came out, sent that back and just went back to my Droid X. Gonna skip the Bionic all together and I am just waiting for something to “wow” me. Until then, I am perfectly happy. Whether month to month or on contract, you spend 500-600 on a device either way, not about to just jump on anything unless it is worth every penny. If they could add 4g to my original Droid X, I wouldn’t even.be looking.

      • Johndrakenumber6

        I was exceedingly satisfied with my Droid X until the Gingerbread update.  Since then I’ve had all manner of problems, none of which went away with the application of the bugfix that was released recently.  Only way I can get streaming audio to work without interminable gaps is to go into settings and kill mail apps and anything else that looks like it might be competing for bandwidth, memory, or priority.  Lots of other problems too.

        I was all set to jump to the Bionic til I compared the VZW store demo phone’s display to my Dx’s, so I guess I’m primed for a vigorous hardware upgrade in the next month or two.

        • Anonymous

          Yeh, “Primed” and “Vigorous”.

  • Zach

    P3droid made it seem like Verizon was no longer getting the NP or that it wouldn’t be stock.

    • Anonymous

      He seems to think it won’t be stock. Either way, the specs we have been hearing will probably still come, it just might not be pure Google.

      • If its not pure Google that will be a very big let down at least to me

  • QQMore

    No LTE?  Yeah definitely hoping that is not the case.  Holding out for the Nexus but if no LTE, then the “Incredible HD” aka HTC Vigor will be my next phone instead.  Was going to be the bionic but not too impressed with what I’ve read on it, especially because of the poor display quality with the pentile screen.

    • Anonymous

      If the Bionics display is all thats keeping you from it, get it.

      The Pentile display is exaggerated.  It’s really not bad at all, and it by far the best screen I have used in the sun.

      • Superior1

        Completely agree with you on that, the screen is not all that bad. In the sun it is really easy to see.

      • Adam Wiggins

        I don’t know.  I recently was handling a Bionic and I didn’t see one nice smooth rounded line.  Maybe it’s just me, but the screen on my DX seemed superior to the Bionic.

        • My friends screen (x2) compared to the droid x my phone is 100% better than my dx….the bionics display is good only tech nerds would notice

      • QQMore

        Well the other side of it is, unless the battery life is worse than the bionic, 1.5ghz dual core on the Vigor vs. 1ghz on the bionic.  No contest.  I love my Motorola D1 but once October comes and my upgrade eligibility is here, I’m going to really have to figure out which is the best phone.  I’m hoping for Nexus with vanilla Android “experience” similar to other Nexus phones, but we’ll see what Samsung actually comes out with.

  • Anonymous

    2.4 would imply that this wasn’t going to merge honeycomb and gingergread, and that would make me a sad panda, since that was the only real public promise google has made about ICS. If it was 3.4, that would make sense.

  • Kierra

    I skimmed , but hopefully battery life was mentioned. What’s powering these beats? 

  • Brady McEwen

    hmm, loving the swooshy nexus logo….

    • Anonymous

      From our buddy Nate that did the Nexus Prime logo. 🙂

  • and why would they combine all the goodness of Honeycomb 3.2 and Gingerbread 2.3.4 and call it Ice Cream Samich 2.4.1? I dont think that will happen. ICS 4.0 sounds much cooler (pun intended)

  • Anonymous

    im sorry it was really mean to include the rumored gs3 in the same post. ive waited so long for the galaxy nexus (still think prime is better) and then this hyperbeast is rumored so very cruel tecnology world. there is no justice.

  • necessary comments relating to this: pics or it didn’t happen, cool story bro, tits or gtfo

    • Keith Sumner

      u mad? 

    • FortitudineVincimus

      “cool story bro”

      I see what you did there

      • I see what you did there should be included in his list

  • ss2

    Shouldnt it be version 4.0? ICS was supposed to combine Honeycomb and Gingerbread, why would it have a lower version number then gingerbread?

  • Zach

    4chan? lol

  • we can only wish at this point. Nexus sounds good though

  • It’s not like he said a lot of things that weren’t already rumored, he just put a few more tidbits on it. Don’t be shocked if most of this comes true. Even if it was on 4chan. As much as I don’t care for that website, I do know a couple different industry types that frequent it often.

    • Anonymous

      Yeah, I’m not going to lie. A lot of what this dude said sounds like it could be legit.  Trolls have lots of time on their hands, but this took some real time.  We should know soon enough.  Nexus devices are on the way. 🙂

      • Anonymous

        That was my post, I am the ultimate troll

      • MattInPDX

        Too late, picked up a Bionic last night. This thing is already big enough, can’t image a 4.65″ screen.

        • Hoosiercub

          You don’t pay attention much do ya.. without capacitive buttons.. a screen size like that could easily be achieved within pretty much the same form factor.

        • Blood

          Who said anything about making the phone bigger? Just the screen.

    • Anonymous

      This. The trends seem to support exactly what this guy is talking about. The only questionable things are more semantic details, such as Super AMOLED Plus for the Nexus (should be Super AMOLED HD, no Plus, as Samsung unveiled weeks ago) and the processor (we are pretty damn sure it’s an OMAP4460, although maybe just the test version they were demonstrating had an Exynos due to supply and what not). Also, I doubt 2.4 will stick because ICS should also replace Honeycomb  meaning it should be 3.3 at least, unless they are saving that feature for Jelly Bean due to constraints to make ICS available in time for the holiday season.

  • Tabe

    LOL Why in the world would somebody divulge such info on fkng 4chan… lmao

  • Taylor Davis

    I call shenanigans!

    • John

      I’m going to pistol whip the next person that says shenanigans!

      • ChrisI

        Hey Farva, what was the name of the cute little restaurant you liked?

        • John

          ::stick head out door::  Oh.. you mean shenanigans?

          love that movie

      • Hey Farva!  

  • Zeadaplaya

    Awww man I hope T-Mobile gets a new Nexus phone, I’ve been waiting for the prime for a little over 3 months now!! 😛

    • Bon K

      I don’t have any doubt that T-mobile will get it. They may be the first one to get it too.

  • Anonymous

    what i want to know is who the DLer is that visits 4chan and submits it as a news tip here. 

    • I visit it for lols and giggles but news is too far

  • Anonymous

    Sounds very nice, but ’tis all but a pipe dream…

  • Anonymous

    As much as I love the idea of the Nexus, I don’t think I could not have an LTE device after using one for the past half year.

    • I feel the same. I’d rather wait for ICS to be made available for the Bionic before moving to the described device.

      • Anonymous

        I’ll have to see what the vigor is like.

  • Anonymous


  • Daddy

    4chan, lol

  • Guest

    You lost me at 4chan

    • Anonymous

      It’s actually painful typing 4chan.

      • Anonymous


        Damn it, I need to go to the hospital to fix the brain cancer I got in the last 30 seconds.

      • FortitudineVincimus

        4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan 4chan  4chan 4chan 🙂

      • Kellen we all know you troll on 4chan, also it can not be very random if it was not a /b/

      • palomosan

        Actually I think 4chan it’s the best name for the Verizon Nexus.

        Oh! and I don’t think a Nexus phone would be name Galaxy or any names like that, it has a name already…Nexus.

    • Anonymous

      April FOOLS came early !!!!!! 🙂

    • Anonymous

      4**** is about as reliable a source for this info as reading the writing on the stall in the mens room at a truck stop.

      • Anonymous

        Something tells me you’ve been listening to Protest the Hero lately.

        • Anonymous

          Haha actually, I don’t listen to them.  That one came from my head.