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Wednesday Poll: Locked Bootloaders Still Matter to You?

Yesterday we ran a poll that asked if everyone still considered the DROID Bionic to be the device to have and saw over 8,000 votes that were all over the board.  Some of you have clearly decided that this won’t be your next phone, while others are now waiting to see what happens with the Galaxy S II by Samsung before punching a ticket.  What I noticed about the poll though, was the answer that received the least amount of votes that simply said that the Bionic would be purchased as long as it had an unlocked bootloader.  I’m just wondering, are bootloaders still important to the majority of people?  The ROM, theme and hack crowd seems at least to me like it’s growing exponentially, but are people ready to trade that for the newest specs?  Is root enough?  Sound off as usual.

Locked Bootloaders Still Matter to You?

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  • vincent mac

    I choose option 3: unlocked bootloader is plus, not a deal breaker though. Personally, I’m waiting on the next Nexus.

  • Anonymous

    Its not that unlocked bootloaders aren’t important, its simply that we know the galaxy s 2 will be unlocked and that its specs are crazy good. I simply do not know what motorola will do with the bionic.

  • I’ve been leaning to the Windows Phones now because of the bootloader stuff. It seems like unlocked bootloader is the only real way to have a nice phone. Stock is generally slower, and more bloated.

    After seeing the new Windows Phones i have started to really like them. Once the app market gets bigger for them i see no doubts in them being as successful or more.

    They are almost like the inbetween of a Iphone and Droid, Simple but not too locked down.

  • Jake

    Whether or not it is unlocked, I am willing to buy a phone if the dev community can make something work. I am fully content with Liberty on my current phone.

  • Supall

    I need it to root and I need to be able to get rid of the bloatware.  Only reason.

  • Tigercantdrive

    You people need to get a life and quit playing with your friggin phones. I run a business with 2 Android phones and “bootloaders” and “Custom ROMS, maaannn” really don’t matter. Reading the comments, “I refuse to buy that phone if I can’t root,” are just hilarious! You all think you are smarter than the companies and people who actually make and design the damn things. There’s nothing I can’t do to actually be productive and profit that a custom ROM will do that the stock 2.2 on my Incredible2 or 2.3 on my Droid X won’t do.

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  • Anonymous

    For me if I can’t completely mod my Android phone then I will have a hard time staying with Android. Carriers and manufacturers seemingly try their best to make their phones suck, I don’t need any impediments on undoing what they’ve done to perfectly good hardware and a good OS.

  • Anonymous

    Sorry guys, I didn’t read the comments, but this poll seems all wrong.  If you read the site, you should know your phone will be unlocked some time between 2 months before release and 2 months after.  Is this really still an issue?

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  • I voted Bootloaders don’t matter to me because generally any really nice new phone you want to buy is either hacked before the official release or within 30 days thereafter.

  • DBK

    Wow. It’s amazing how much the opinions have shifted.

    I agree with many of the posts here. As long as the phone is fast and works well as is, a locked bootloader won’t really bother me (just as long as I can root and remove the bloatware).

  • Anonymous

    No matter what it’s still android

  • Anonymous

    I personally think WAY too much is being made of the locked bootloader issue. Would I like my next phone to be unlocked? Of course! But it won’t be a deal-breaker for me. Here’s why:

    We’ve already seen with phones like the Droid X that a locked bootloader doesn’t mean it can’t be rooted. I think that is the first misconception about this thing. Even with a locked bootloader you can indeed root the phone (might take a little more work, however). Secondly, once rooted, you can put custom ROMs on a phone with a locked bootloader. Yes, these ROMs must be based upon the current framework/OS and must include the stock kernel, but it’s still a custom ROM. Which means someone like me who loves to theme ROMs can still put my creativity to use and I can make my phone look exactly the way I want it to look.

    With the OG Droid, having a locked bootloader was essential because we all agreed that when stock it wasn’t running to its full capabilities – especially regarding CPU speeds. So being able to load a custom kernel was huge. I have been running my D1 at 1.1Ghz for well over a year. These newer phones are already so fast that doubling the CPU speed isn’t necessary. Yes, a LV kernel would be nice considering it can help with battery consumption, but again, it’s not a deal-breaker for me.

    In the end, I want a phone that works. If that phone also happens to have a locked bootloader, so be it.

  • Shenanigans

    There should be a third option of an unlocked bootloader is important but not a dealbreaker. I personally think an unlocked bootloader is important, but I would consider another phone if I liked the features on it even if it was locked because I know the dev community would eventually get around it

  • Anonymous

    Unlocked bootloaders matter to me but it wouldn’t stop me from buying a phone if it’s otherwise really good.

  • Root matters though, as long as I can take the crapware off the phone.  The draw with rooting with the Droid is overclocking because it was laggy.  Sorry but it was.  With these dual cores, overclocking is not really needed.  I can throw LP+ on it and get rid of the launcher if I don’t like it, and themes aren’t really that important to me.  So IF I can root and get rid of crapware then I’m on board.

    • Anonymous

      same all i really care about is getting rid of the bloatware. These new dual core phones will be plenty fast and removing the bloatware will free up some more space on the phone rather than being taken up by pointless apps.

  • There needs to be another category that says something like bootloaders matter, but I will still consider a phone if it has awesome specs and I really want it!

  • Anonymous

    I was surprised at this too, however I can only assume that there were other priorities than bootloader for most people.  The bootloader is important, but not the most important.

  • Pennywise

    OG running gingerbread here.  I am a reason why a manufacturer would lock their phones; I have been able to pass on all these phones that have come out because my Droid is current/rooted. We can make a lightbulb that lasts forever (not a big mystery) but where’s the $$$ in that?! This is why companies are excited about OLED display technology, because it is DESIGNED to decay. It is engineered to make you purchase multiple displays over the course of your consumer life (where as an LED lit LCD may last 30+ years running 8 hours a day every day with a good power supply).

    If we don’t have locked bootloaders, we won’t have as many phones = less competition = slower technological growth. What they need to do is give you the option to break the lock at the sacrifice of your warranty.

    BIONIC: (fast) dual-core, LTE with a 4.5″ screen and 1GB ram for the dock = winner regardless of whether or not the bootloader is locked.

  • Anonymous

    locked bootloaders only matter to people who visit websites that are devoted to their silly cell phones.

    That should tell you all you need to know.

    • kretz

      this is exactly what I was going to say and moto isn’t going to change their policies for a small number of people..just give it up already, I’m tired of seeing posts on this subject. 

  • Anonymous

    Its not even about ROMs and stuff, its about getting rid of all those useless apps

  • Anonymous

    Its not even about ROMs and stuff, its about getting rid of all those useless apps

    • Anonymous

      True the bloatware is a waste especially since it takes up ram and most people use none of the bloatware. You should have an option to uninstall without rooting.

  • Anonymous

    As our phones become more like computers everyday, it surprises me how many people still think we are in the game console world. On a PS3.or. an Xbox, I somewhat understand locked down software. But we are talking about products that more resemble a laptop or PC. If your laptop or PC was locked so you could only have one theme, windows ME, and you were not allowed to use some preinatalled hardware because AOL says so, would you accept that? Why is my Droid any different?

  • Anonymous

    I’d be willing to bet most the people that say they don’t care about the bootloader have never run CM7 for an extended period of time. I can’t imagine going back to a manufacturer skinned experience or not having SU access, custom kernels, etc.

    • Anonymous

      I am currently running CM7 on my OG Droid. I rooted my phone a long time ago – back when it actually took some work and you needed to know what you were doing. Despite this, I don’t care if the Bionic comes locked or not. Custom ROMs and themes are still possible with a locked device. See Apex and Liberty for the DX for evidence. And I’m not so sure a custom kernel is as necessary with these super fast dual-core phones as it was for a phone like the original Droid. The D1 was laggy at 550Mhz. So many installed custom kernels to overclock. I just don’t think this will be as necessary with a phone like the Bionic. And regarding the manufacturer skins (like Blur), just install a 3rd party launcher, like LauncherPro or ADW, and it essentially disappears.

      • Anonymous

        You have to consider that with “custom” roms, the DX is the exception, not the rule. How many other locked down phones have CM7?
        I’m not saying a custom kernel is necessary per se, but considering all the things that can be done with them, such as overclocking, under/overvolting, different governors, fast charge,a SBC, etc, it just makes the experience that much better.

        • Anonymous

          droid 2 does and the inc 2 was locked down and now it has cm7 also.

  • Anonymous

    Im honestly in the middle, I am going to buy this phone either way but i would prefer to have an unlocked bootloader. You might want to add this option 🙂

  • ravenlore

    I want an option that says “Locked bootloaders suck HARD, but it’s not a dealbreaker-just VERY disappointing.”

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  • Rtd4379

    I’m kind of over constantly flashing roms and stuff liek I used to, I just want a phone that works great at this point, but I definitely still want to have the option.

  • Maniko (Meister_Li)

    Also thankfully, there are many good examples out there at this point. Neither the Galaxy S nor the Optimus 2X have locked boot loaders. Sony Ericsson, at least under some conditions, allows it too and HTC at least announced it. So it’s not like there are no nice phones that come unlocked.

  • This is not a black and white matter. Yes an unlocked bootloader is desirable still but alone is not a deal breaker or deal maker.  A crap phone with an open boot loader is still a crap phone.  A nice phone with a locked loader may still be better than the unlocked crap phone.  The nice phone may be hacked down the road too…

  • It’s not a big deal for me to have an unlocked bootloader. But I feel it should be unlocked anyway. It’s our phones. We paid for em!

  • Anonymous

    At the rate that moto is going pretty soon will be out of busness with iphone 5. I got Original Droid x but, im done with them leggy and always buggy. Ether an HTC phone or im going over the dark side

  • Maniko (Meister_Li)

    After the Motorola Milestone fiasco, I vowed to never buy a phone with a locked boot loader again. Easy as pie. 😉

  • Rob Meyer

    I think this poll is lacking choice… Locked bootloaders matter to me, but given that we hack locked bootloaders anyway after a short period of time who cares? There are the folks obsessed with superuser access and thats fine. Dont buy a phone with a locked bootloader. I for one will purchase the bionic locked or not. and when im able to root it I certainly will… Everyone with their me me me now now now attitudes…shift gears, take a breather, and enjoy the new device for a month or two.

  • TheAndroid1

    There should be a third option.

    You can leave the bootloader locked IF:
    1) The phone is running stock android and gets timely updates
    2) or if the skin you put on works amazing and is no slower than stock android

  • Anonymous

    So, 67% of you have phones with unlocked bootloaders?  I’m not saying that’s BS, but seems to be a stretch.

  • Anonymous

    I beg for the D3 to be unlocked…..

  • Rizzidy

    Most of the custom ROMs are buggy pieces of crap.  I’d rather have a stable phone with TouchWiz and the best specs than have to update my phone every week with some new version of CM that is never actually stable.

    • Chris Norris

      You don’t have to actually update your phone once you find something stable. What’s nice about custom ROMs like CyanogenMod is that they do update it every day. I don’t have to wait 6 months for a new version of android to come out and then 3 more months before it’s available on my device. I don’t know how I’d feel about my original Droid if I had been running stock on it for the passed two years. With custom ROMs, my phone can stay relatively up to date even if it’s getting old. It feels like my phone is just as powerful as these new phones coming out.

      • Amen.  And Cm never stable? I run nightlies and it’s more stable than some of the overlays that come on the phone when you buy it. Like a rock. If you want stability, stick to CM RC’s, then you know you’re good.

  • I need unlockable bootloader for who things:
    – be able to install a plain Android over OEMs crapware
    – be a able to install a newest Android version myself without waiting for OEM
    So, if a had a plain vanilla Android device with guaranteed timely upgrades (i.e. a Nexus phone) then I would not mind having a locked bootloader.  

    • Anonymous

      you still have to wait for the oem for a leak of the newest version.

  • Anonymous

    If I could remove all of the bloatware and obtain root then I could care less about a locked bootloader.  In my experience pretty much every ROM I have tried is unstable in one way or another.  I just want to be able to use Titanium Back-up and clean the crap off.  Also a reasonable tethering plan would be nice.  I won’t pay $30 a month for a service I use 5-6 times a year while traveling.  Is that too much to ask?

  • Cjreyes666

    The bootloader is not a problem it’s just a big plus i am more interested how easy is to root the phone.

  • An Encrypted bootloader is a factor, but not a deal breaker. Custom Roms, are nice…overclocking seems less relevant now that we are getting dual core goodness. I do feel that if I purchase a device, I should be able to do whatever I want to it, but I also want a beast of a phone.  I will sacrifice custom roms for amazing specs.  Now unless I or anyone else starts manufacturing phones, then we have to choose what best suits our personal wants/needs out of what is available.  I don’t like it any more than I’m sure most of you do, but this is the reality we live in.  We want the fastest service (LTE), the great hardware, great software, all packed up in a pretty form factor and we want it completely open to tinker with it as we see fit.  I don’t see it happening anytime soon. I hope I am wrong, but I am not going to wait on the “chance” that the Nexus Prime will be released on VZW.

    The Bionic Will be mine!

  • Kierra

    Don’t care. If I have to hack my device to get it to work the way I wont then I dont want that device(apks are perks). 

  • I wouldn’t say it’s a deal breaker but it’s nice to know that the developer community will have easy access to your device.

    I chose Yes, but really it’s Yes it would entice me to buy a phone if it had an unlocked boot loader versus a phone with similar features that did not, but it’s not a dealbreaker like LTE or horrible battery life.

  • max

    i wouldnt care if every phone was stock android

  • Guest

    with 344 people voting they won’t buy an unlocked phone….I wonder what phones they all have  🙂

    • Anonymous

      most of them say that but then buy a locked phone anyway. To me it doesnt matter. I mean unlocked would be nice but i usually only root my phone to get rid of the crapware. Unless the phone is very buggy do I install roms. I just like my phone to work and pretty much most phones do out of the box and im sure the bionic will be no different.

    • Jeff

      I still have my original Droid for this very reason…. It has been running gingerbread for about four months now in a very stable 1ghz configuration…..

  • For me, locked boot loader or not, I want a phone that works well, supports future technology, and fits my life style. If a phone comes like that and has a locked boot loader, I probably won’t mind. You can do enough without unlocking the boot loader and doing custom roms. 

    • To bad most phones don’t come like that due to faulty and laggy manufactures UIs.  I would prefer a locked device that ran pure complete stock and the latest version of Android. 

      No Sense
      No Blur
      No TouchWiz
      No LG UI

      Give me a pure Goggle experience or give me death

  • Unexpected62

    Root is definitely wanted…… but most phones seem to eventually get that. But Kellex, your polls answers seem to always have only extreme choices. I mean I want an unlocked bootloader, but what the heck options are there right now on VZW for that….. not many. And it’s not that it “doesn’t matter” …. because of course I want it. You gotta have the choice in there like, “Something I’d weigh in, but not a deal breaker either way”

  • Unexpected62

    Root is definitely wanted…… but most phones seem to eventually get that. But Kellex, your polls answers seem to always have only extreme choices. I mean I want an unlocked bootloader, but what the heck options are there right now on VZW for that….. not many. And it’s not that it “doesn’t matter” …. because of course I want it. You gotta have the choice in there like, “Something I’d weigh in, but not a deal breaker either way”

  • Anonymous

    Right now I need to have a custom ROM. But once Ice Cream Sandwich is available I probably won’t care.

  • Anonymous

    You need a 3rd option:

    “Bootloaders matter A LOT, but if I have no other choice, I’m not gonna stick with my OG Droid for eternity.”

    I’ve just been waiting for a decently spec’d device to come out so I can upgrade.  This Droid is killing me!  If the Bionic comes out with a locked bootloader, I will probably have to bite the bullet and get it (assuming it’s not a complete piece of crap).  What other dual core 4G options do I have or WILL I have on Verizon?  The Galaxy S II is the only other possibility on the horizon and it probably won’t have an LTE radio.

    Plus, there haven’t been too many phones that just absolutely cannot be hacked.  Locked bootloaders don’t necessarily spell doom for the rooting community.

    • Unexpected62

      you said it perfect. Your right….. we can’t stick with the OG Droid forever.

      • Jeff

        I will until something better comes along that will hold up as well and be as future proof by being unlocked…

    • Calculatorwatch

      A few months ago I had the feeling that my OG Droid would be my first and last unlocked device and I would have to settle for less than complete control, but now I’m feeling a lot better about the prospects. Hopefully the GSII will be LTE or Samsung will make a dual-core phone that is. But I’m sure at least HTC will come out with a dual-core LTE phone by the end of this year or early next year and I can wait that long for a phone I really want. My OG is definitely getting old and decrepit but I know it would be way more so if it weren’t for having it rooted so that’s essential from here on out

  • Anonymous

    You need a 3rd option:

    “Bootloaders matter A LOT, but if I have no other choice, I’m not gonna stick with my OG Droid for eternity.”

    I’ve just been waiting for a decently spec’d device to come out so I can upgrade.  This Droid is killing me!  If the Bionic comes out with a locked bootloader, I will probably have to bite the bullet and get it (assuming it’s not a complete piece of crap).  What other dual core 4G options do I have or WILL I have on Verizon?  The Galaxy S II is the only other possibility on the horizon and it probably won’t have an LTE radio.

    Plus, there haven’t been too many phones that just absolutely cannot be hacked.  Locked bootloaders don’t necessarily spell doom for the rooting community.

  • DroidGuy

    For me, bootloaders matter after I’ve had my phone for a while. For example, I never planed on doing anything to my OG Droid, but then I got bored of it and it seemed pretty behind with the new phones. So I made it new again 🙂

  • Wtoast

    If Motorola would tailor their firmware the way Samsung does, especially the CHARGE.
    Then they would be back on top of the Game
    I have been a Motorola users for many years, and even though their hardware rocks.
    Their firmware (BLUR) sucks

    Come on Moto, get on the ball!!!

  • Wtoast

    If Motorola would tailor their firmware the way Samsung does, especially the CHARGE.
    Then they would be back on top of the Game
    I have been a Motorola users for many years, and even though their hardware rocks.
    Their firmware (BLUR) sucks

    Come on Moto, get on the ball!!!

  • Wtoast

    If Motorola would tailor their firmware the way Samsung does, especially the CHARGE.
    Then they would be back on top of the Game
    I have been a Motorola users for many years, and even though their hardware rocks.
    Their firmware (BLUR) sucks

    Come on Moto, get on the ball!!!

  • If I had a choice between a powerful, nice featured phone or a crappier unlocked phone, i would have to choose just to have a better locked phone.  I have the OG droid and I use to put roms on it all the time and overclock it everytime something new came out, but it was always buggy and these days I can barely send a text message without it freezing up for 15 seconds… I would rather just have a phone that has the specs to last until my next upgrade without falling apart… but if it happens to be unlocked all the better!

  • If I had a choice between a powerful, nice featured phone or a crappier unlocked phone, i would have to choose just to have a better locked phone.  I have the OG droid and I use to put roms on it all the time and overclock it everytime something new came out, but it was always buggy and these days I can barely send a text message without it freezing up for 15 seconds… I would rather just have a phone that has the specs to last until my next upgrade without falling apart… but if it happens to be unlocked all the better!

  • If I had a choice between a powerful, nice featured phone or a crappier unlocked phone, i would have to choose just to have a better locked phone.  I have the OG droid and I use to put roms on it all the time and overclock it everytime something new came out, but it was always buggy and these days I can barely send a text message without it freezing up for 15 seconds… I would rather just have a phone that has the specs to last until my next upgrade without falling apart… but if it happens to be unlocked all the better!

  • LivinTilDeath

    That is the number one priority on my purchases from here on out. If
    they are locked they can keep the dam POS device as I don’t care what
    the specs are.  There is absolutely no reason they should be locking us out to begin with. And to further add they got us hooked by having unlocked ones for a time period then choose to stab us in the back. Well with that said screw them I’ll walk with my wallet. Its time consumer step up to the plate and make a stance if you ask me. And now is the time to do it. 

  • Anonymous

    All I’m interested in is root. Custom roms ain’t my thing anymore.

    • yeah, give me free wireless tether and I am pretty much set.

  • At this point, it’s pretty much a deal breaker for me if the bootloader is locked.

  • David Hayden

    I don’t really care about the locked bootloader. It’s cool to have CM7 and all of it’s stuff, but I don’t need it right away. I’m sure something will get released for it eventually. Plus, I finally got to play with a DX2, so I got to see MotoBlur and the PenTile screen, and I didn’t have any problems with it. I’m an OG Droid owner, and I think the Bionic will be my next phone.

    • Mr Silent

      wait till you get passed by for an update to ice cream sandwich… meanwhile the unlocked phones will always be up to date.

      • Jabusch

        That is perhaps the best reason to buy unlocked devices.  You can ensure that they are always up to date.  My OG Droid has been running Gingerbread for months while many of the newer phones are still on Froyo… Updates for these phones should not take as long as they do to roll out to the masses, but the manufacturers have to skin the &*$# out of them before they are released and load all their stupid ass bloatware.

        I’ll take an unlocked (or easily unlockable) phone any day.  End of rant.

      • Anonymous

        not necessarily true. the fascinate was unlocked and look how long it took just to get froyo. Also the continuum was unlocked and to this day still hasnt been updated past 2.1 so its not all about being unlocked it is the manufacturer how they are with updates that matters the most. If you get a manufacturer that is good with updates, being unlocked isnt necessarily a completely bad thing.

        • Mr Silent

          Yeah the less popular phones dont see much dev support. But were talking about phones that are expected to jump right to the top of the list here. I guarantee that if the Bionic and SGSII come unlockable, youll see dev support jump through the roof.

          • Anonymous

            I think either way there will be a lot of support for both of these phones locked down or not.

  • Sean

    yes, but it’s more of a yes based on principle.  i dabble in flashing roms and playing with the UI, so i am not all-too-concerned.  to me it’s more of a ethical issue.  there’s no reason why i should buy something i don’t have complete access to.  if i destroy it, it’s my problem, but companies have no real place to impose “safeguards.”

    • I sort of understand but at the same time don’t… you can’t play Playstation games on your Xbox, why should a phone be free game?  I love that some are, but just a couple short years ago we had razors and other phones that all used the same verizon crap software and people seemed more or less content.

    • I sort of understand but at the same time don’t… you can’t play Playstation games on your Xbox, why should a phone be free game?  I love that some are, but just a couple short years ago we had razors and other phones that all used the same verizon crap software and people seemed more or less content.

      • WormDoes

        That’s fine that you don’t really understand, most don’t, but for those of us who do it would be nice for these providers and companies to leave them unlocked.

      • I don’t follow your Xbox/PS3 analogy.  This is about putting Android ROMs on Android devices.  Not iOS on an Android device.  

        And the reason we were content with old feature phones is because there was nothing else out there.

        • EC8CH

          This is more like loading Linux on a PS3.  Sony took that away and look where that got them 😛

        • Anonymous

          I was never content with old pos locked down feature phones and carrier rape me in the bum pricing.  I held out for the longest time before getting a cell.

      • Anonymous

        Yeah and a couple thousand years ago, cavemen had rocks and sticks to play with, and they seemed more or less content.

        • EC8CH

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      • Anonymous

        I modded my razr and samsung u740 to customize them. Though they had less true capability.

        • Anonymous

          Yeah I hacked my razr as well so that I could have my own damn ringtones without paying those highway robbers.

          • Anonymous

            I hacked my razr so that I could have the Oregon O on the back screen when the phone was open instead of that awful white verizon wireless logo that had black bars on top and bottom.. first hacking I ever did was with a VX-6100 to download pictures off it.. skippng the ridiculous per picture charges to retrieve photos…

            anyone else remember VZW use to charge to retrieve your photos.. it wasn’t until decently recently that sd cards were even included on vzw phones.. i think the LG dare was the first… it even let you do OBEX.. that’s why the OG was so amazing, VZW went from that standard and shitty OEM red interface, to the LG Dare customizablility to open architecture all witthin 3 months, when they had that red interface for 5 years                                                                                              

      • Anonymous

        You can’t play XBox games on a PS3 because PS3 games are on a BlueRay format and XBox’s hardware incompatible with any BD format, period. But at the same time, you can mod the Kenect hardware to work with other systems because it’s compatible with others. The point is whether phone companies should go out of their way to stop you from changing your hardware/software. Quite frankly; pay $250+ tax for a phone and you’ll dare someone to stop you from doing what you want with it.

        …Just sayin…

        • Mr Silent

          Not all ps3 games are blu-ray. The ps3 can play regular dvd games as well. And now that the ps3 is jailbroken youd only have to install the custom firmware to run the 360 game.FYI 

    • TheAndroid1

      Because the people who destoy their phones send them back for a warranty replacement, costing the company money.

      I don’t see why a company doesn’t do like what apple does with bootcamp.  Make one partition with the regular operating system and one that you can do whatever you want with.  If you mess it up, boot it back into the stock one.  Delete the partition that you created and start over.

      • But companies give out warranties on personal computers, which users send back for warranty replacement after they break them, what’s any different here? If warranties are the only issue, then sell them sans warranty, but clearly the warranty on unlocked hardware model is working just fine for computers.

        • TheAndroid1

          I don’t know the numbers, but it seems like a lot higher percent are hacking their phones.  I personally haven’t seen anybody hack windows but I know multiple who hack their phones.

          Plus I think computers are easier to fix.  Many you just unscrew a screw and replace the hard drive.  I took apart my thunderbolt and it took forever.

          Plus warranties on computers don’t generally cover the user hacking just like these phones don’t.

        • Mr.Joe

          Yeah…  let’s ditch warranties cause people are too stupid to read.

          You think people are pissed over Locked Bootloaders.  Wait till you get a phone that has a bad speaker or whatever and you try to return it.  “OH Sorry no warranty pay $500+ for a new one”.  

          Unlocked Bootloaders > Warranties

          The issue is that people go out don’t read shit and break their phone.  Then don’t read the shit on how to fix it.

          You want to know how many people flash a ROM and then has it bootloop and just goes to vzw and exchanges it?  A lot.  Just read the forums and see how many people do it.  It’s appalling considering how easy the fix is.     

        • Anonymous

          I think that warranty for the hardware should still apply and not be voided because of our decision to root. Like you said my dell has full warranty although I use Linux on it. 

      • Anonymous

        Yep this is exactly why they lock down their phones. If it wasn’t a problem with people doing it to their phone and sending them back then they wouldnt lock down their phones. It is more to protect themselves from cost of user error.

      • Anonymous

        Is it that hard to make a flag that shows whether the phone was unlocked or not and if it was it can’t be replaced on warranty for a software issue? 

        • TheAndroid1

          Then the hackers would find a way to get around that flag.

          • Anonymous

            True, just like they are kind of getting around locked bootloaders. But if you’re able to turn off the flag like that, then you probably deserve full access to your phone.

            Or why not something like with Sony where you have to register the phone then they unlock it for you?

  • gearmonky

    We need an option for locked bootloaders don’t matter as long as it still supports AOSP ROMs.  e.g., the droid X.  i’m to the point now where i am done buying phones that cannot run some form of AOSP rom.

    • WormDoes

      I am the same way now. I’m a huge HTC fan and I used to be able to deal with and accept sense, but it’s so over the top now that it has turned me off completely. In a perfect world all the bootloaders would be unlocked and the custom UI’s would have an on/off switch

  • Anonymous

    With 2nd-Init, I really don’t care. Custom kernels would be nice, but I get everything I want now 🙂

  • First!!

    • Anonymous

      first idiot

    • Anonymous

      And you didn’t vote?

    • Jaque

      and always the first gay one too…