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Calling DROID Eris Owners! Care to Prove Steve Jobs Wrong?

After Apple’s sickening display of excuses this morning while trying to defend their ridiculously flawed i*hone design, they managed to call out one of our original family members, the Droid Eris.  Their claim is that all phones will experience signal loss if held incorrectly or by covering up its antenna.  While the Droid Eris designers were intelligent and put the antenna towards the top of the device, Apple thought it would be ingenious to place theirs as a metal band on the base of the phone, precisely where every human holds it.

During their ego-filled rant this morning, they showed a video of someone uncomfortably holding an Eris to try and replicate a signal loss.  The video is pretty comical actually.

So here is what I’d like to do!  To any Droid Eris owners out there, let’s prove the evil empire wrong!  See if you can replicate, prove wrong or just have a good laugh at this whole antenna/signal loss thing.  In fact, let’s do any Droid owner out there.  Upload your method for trying to cause i*hone 4 signal loss on your device and see what we can come up with.  The funnier the method, the better.

*Tip* – If you post the Youtube link in the comments, it will be playable on this page.

Update: A couple of user submitted tests…

And another…

Have fun!

  • Thank god it is almost over!

    I have owned the Droid Eris since it came out… It is horrible. I can not wait till my contract is up. I just got an update and guess what, nothing works properly. The consumer spends X amount of dollars for a product that does not work properly. END of story.

  • good definition of IPHONE
    I like it

  • Walgo

    When I first got my Eris, I noticed the signal strength would drop and I'd lose calls all the time when I would use speaker phone, which I ended up holding in a sorta death grip. It was quite reproducible, but I didn't think much of it at the time and just altered how I held it. I ended up getting a replacement phone when the touch screen stopped working. Interestingly, I can't replicate the signal issue on the new one.

  • Walgo

    When I first got my Eris, I noticed the signal strength would drop and I'd lose calls all the time when I would use speaker phone, which I ended up holding in a sorta death grip. It was quite reproducible, but I didn't think much of it at the time and just altered how I held it. I ended up getting a replacement phone when the touch screen stopped working. Interestingly, I can't replicate the signal issue on the new one.

  • Socalrailroader

    Now, I'm not supporting or dissing Apple, but Nokia did come out publicly and support Apple on this-

    “Nokia today offered a statement to help put the iPhone 4 antenna issues into perspective. The company noted that it has invested thousands of hours studying how people use phones and has used the information learned to engineer antenna placement. Nokia said, “Nokia designs our phones to ensure acceptable performance in all real life cases, for example when the phone is held in either hand.” Nokia points out that antenna design is complex, and is one of its core competencies. In fact, Nokia launched the first phone with an internal antenna, the 8810, in 1998. However, Nokia concedes that, “In general, antenna performance of a mobile device/phone may be affected with a tight grip, depending on how the device is held.” This statement coincides with points made by Apple CEO Steve Jobs about the iPhone 4's antenna performance issue. Jobs noted that antenna design is tricky, and all smartphones are subject to signal attenuation when held in certain ways. Nokia agrees with that assessment. “

    http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=6308

    I own an iPhone 4 and a Droid Incredible, and it seems to me this whole thing has been blown way out of prorportion, but that's me. I can hold my Incredible by the bottom (where the antenna is) and watch the signal drop by several bars, and sometimes have the connection drop from EVDO to 1X.

  • MicroNix

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  • MicroNix

    A ntennas
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  • Stealthbomber254

    if i ever see steve jobs i am going to throw my incredible at his face

  • So I tried my own death grip test today with my D1. Here's the results : I-95 North in the Fort McHenry Tunnel (while under Baltimore Harbor) + Death Grip = 5 Bars. Wife was with me on the phone on her D1 the entire time and didn't drop her call.

  • Kenn0001us

    I tried everything from wrapping my eris in tinfoil, to gripping the phone with both hands right around the antenna. No matter what I tried, I didnt lose any signal at all. Take that Apple!

  • Lol I tried wrapping my hand entirely around it and nothing happened.

  • I Miss my Amiga

    Apple, who are they? I have never owned one and don't think I ever will. I have had my Moto Razr since it came out and it still runs great. Just thought it was time to upgrade and the DROID X looks like it will fit the bill just fine. No sales person telling me everything I don't care about and showing me everything I didn't want. (every apple sales person on the planet has) I am not anti apple, I am anti stuck up yupi who has to tell me what I want no mater how many times I tell them to go stuff themselves. They might make good products, but the Apple Zazi zelots turn me off every time.

  • kkj

    The DROID will do this, people. If you turn on Airplane Mode or completely cover the phone in aluminum foil, it loses all signal.

  • Ignitros

    I am a happy Moto Droid user and NOT an Apple FanBoy…. All I have to say is that as a someone who has been selling cellular phones since 1990 and as a consumer I cannot EVER recall a company with a VERY popular phone that has a hardware issue like the one the iPhone 4 is having with its antenna and rather than accepting the problem… apologizing for their mistake then taking prompt measures to fix it. Their going out of their way in the case of CEO Steve Jobs to make sure that everyone knows that their phone isn’t the “only” phone with antenna problems, that “you need to hold your phone correctly”, that this new phone with “greatly improved recpeption over previous models” is only slightly worse in dropped calls than the previous models? Then they offer to “fix” the issue by providing a free case to anyone affected? What if I don’t like to use my phone with a protective sleeve? Am I just screwed? This just seems crazy that in this day and age that people aren’t up in arms and the Consumer Protection Agency hasn’t stepped in to help move this process along.
    Apple just needs to stop passing the buck…. man up and take one swift kick to the groin… err GIANT ego they have and fix the problem, be done with it, save face, move on, use this as a learning experience and never make the same mistake again

  • Jim

    Isn't the signal strength on the iPhone4 marvelous, wonderful, phenomenal, great, fantastic? It really is a dream.

  • Dgomez242

    I just have 3 things to say,

    First Jobs says, they only found out about the problem 22 days ago., Then a minute later he says the designed the phone with this black plastic line in it to show you where not to hold it to avoid the problem? Doesnt this mean they knew about it while designing it? What a contradiction!

    Second, The way to get any signal drop from the Blackberry or eris or omnia he had to hold the phone by almost wrapping his hand over the entire phone. I've never seen anyone hold a phone in this manner, Where the IP4 that I tried was very easy to do holding it like anyone would.

    Third, Did he really compare the IP4 to a Droid eris and Omnia? No offense to the Eris owners, but it is not the flagship high end phone like the Droids or Samsung! Is he in admitting, that the IP4 should be considered similar to an Eris, and not up to par with high end Android handsets?

    Wow finger pointing, and smoke and mirrors. Jobs contradicts himself, and comes off smug doing it.

  • neutralobserver

    idiot

  • sindeslroyer

    meh…not really XD macs=overprice hunks of aluminum that cant run crap unless you fork out 5k and their media devices arent any better from any other companies. also their funs just suck. i would buy an lg before an iphone and i HATE lg (too many glitches for me)

  • sindeslroyer

    always have steered clear of their computers and when i got my droid i gave my old ipod to my friend XD

  • sindeslroyer

    soooo since everybody here wants apple to crash and burn i know a possible way to do it. if anybody here knows how to hack and create viruses you could actually make a deadly trojan that attaches itself to a website (do google.com because everyone goes there, even steve jobs ;D) then make it where it also only attack devices using the safari web browser. this will attack (and then destroy due to lack of proper security systems) almost every single apple device that uses the internet. with that many of their products destroyed and at risk apple and steve jobs would be forced into the true beginning of their downfall. anyone agree? (yes i know it would be a very hard thing to do and an even harder thing to do without getting caught but as far as i can tell itd work pretty effectively)

  • Actually, BSD has existed since 1979, the same time that AT&T Bell Labs had Unix. Linux didn't exist until the late 1980's and as a desktop, I'm sure Linux is better due to it supporting all kinds of hardware but as I am both a Astrophysicist and also run and own a ISP, FreeBSD is more stable and handles higher loads better but that's only talking about a full blown server and not mobile.

    Apple didn't choose the one that can be licensed since if you look at Apple's history, Steve Jobs was basically gotten rid of in 1989 so he started NeXT Computing which was a MachTen/BSD based computer and then in 1995 or so, Apple bought NeXT which is how Steve Jobs became the CEO of Apple again, while he also was CEO of Pixar Animation. Ofcourse when you look even at OSX, FreeBSD is only the foundation which is what makes it stable, it's the GUI and other things Apple adds on top that can either be a winner or a loser. Same issue with iOS as iOS is basically a miniturized OSX so depending on how well they get the features down or if it's more for looks, then that's another issue altogether since for one thing, Apple is good in the OS and hardware area but mobile phones is still something they don't have any experience in as far as RF performance goes since they are just like another Sony-Ericsson which had a good GUI but they couldn't make calls in places where Nokia and Motorola could which is really where the problem lies and ofcourse the network too as AT&T's network even before 3G couldn't do data, Cingular's could. As far as Android 2.2, I'm sure it's faster than iOS because Android has been more about speed, otherwise we wouldn't be testing with Quadrant all day long. 😉 But even with Android, Google didn't choose the one that is GPL as what Google did was buy a company named Android in 2005 which basically was doing a scaled down version of Linux so technically Android is Linux but it's own OS just like OSX/iOS might have derived from FreeBSD but it's considered a OS on it's own. And just like you, my desktop runs Windows because of the applications available as the other OSes are good except there is no software library for it.

  • Actually, I did mean 6.67 and not 6.33 which would have been a 19 dBm difference. So how exactly is the difference calculated? Something new to learn everyday. My DROID jumps to 1x in my house throughout different periods of the day depending if there is fog outside or not. And ofcourse even with my Motorola E815, there have been times where it shows 100% bars and I press the send and it says connecting but doesn't do the timer when it actually does so and this is in downtown San Francisco so the fix around that is to basically power off and power on the phone. I think even the DROID requires holding the phone a certain way because if you place your finger over the second microphone, then outgoing voice will sound weird on the other end. Motorola was 2nd best in RF performance and the worst is Sony-Ericsson as they too were good in the GUI but sucky in RF performance. And Apple ofcourse is more in the OS or the looks as they aren't exactly a company known for producing radios or cellphones to have the experience or expertise.

  • I have a Droid Eris and it never disconnects calls. I also have a iphone4 for work and can barley use the phone part since it always disconnects on me, so I use it as a mini computer only

  • If you find a fair and balance site for either phone let me know because I don't think it's out there. Also, how would I or any other noob know to look for that. All we have is whats presented around us. If Kellex or other site leaders around here knew about it and mentioned it I would give it a shot and or check it out but to call us idiots thats not fair. I think there is a good majority that come here because we are not tech savvy. This is a site nay a community of droid followers and its my favorite ONLINE community around more so then any other online site/forum I visit. Do you know why? Everyone is passionate about android and are very helpful, if they can help. However, if the answers to questions we did or did not ask are “you guys are idiots” then would I or say even you want to come around anymore? Do not ruin my favorite site please.

  • Low023

    LOL

  • lakerzz

    Eeehhh…hello?? You can actually SEE the bars go down on the I*hone 4, and on the phones in “Igod Jobbs's” presentation. There was no need to go into the settings to see loss of signal. “Idiots”??? A little harsh there, don't you think?? (Anyways, there's a difference between being an idiot, and being ignorant)

  • Reeb99

    That would be the best advertising ever. Seriously, are you reading this verizon? Make it so.

  • Tom

    Thank you for taking such a profound stance on a topic that nerds the world over have been arguing about since BSD and Linux were both created… Which is better, Linux or BSD. Me? I don't care, not my flavor of nerdiness, though it used to. I used to be in that whole debate, until I got bored and realized the world of programming and computers is too tedious for me to handle. I need something tangible, which programming is not. So I went into science forgetting most of what I learned on my FreeBSD and Linux distros adventure years back.

    Here is what I can remember. Both are fantastic OSes, and you can do a lot with either one. One is licensed, the other is GPL. It is no surprise that Apple would choose the one that is able to be licensed and Google choose the one that is GPL.

    I'm not going to argue which base is better, Linux or BSD, because I honestly don't know. Quite frankly, I don't even care. In the end, all that matters is what works. Does Android work? Yes. Better than iOS? A matter of opinion. JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE! I chose Linux in the end, but went back to Windows due to programs I needed for my endeavor in life that don't exist on other Operating Systems like Linux or BSD.

    If you want to argue about BSD and Linux, I suggest you take it somewhere else. I doubt many people even know the difference between the two, or what you are talking about. However they do know about iOS 4 and Android 2.2, which a part of this whole debate. If you want to argue that the base system of the iOS is superior, go right ahead, but it means next to nothing if Apple does nothing with the power they got from the system archetype they chose.

  • Nick

    My iPhone 4 doesn't drop signal unless I hold it extremely tight. I normally don't hold my phone tight, ever. The media is making such a big deal out of this little problem. I'll admit that I do drop calls, sometimes, on my iPhone but it is a damn good phone. Apple screwed up, not because of the iPhone 4, but how they addressed the so called “antenna problem” yesterday by comparing the issue to other phones and by blaming a mistake they made in math equation just dug the hole deeper. In conclusion, the iPhone 4 does have some problems but the majority of the people who own an iPhone seem to be satisfied because the return rate isn't high at all (1.7%) and iPhone 4 did sell 3 million units within 3 weeks. The iPhone 4 is a great phone and the media is just making a big deal out of a small problem.

  • thanks, I'll check that one out.

  • JeffL0320

    LOL, I like how all of the tests they did were with phones at least a year old. I just tried holding my DI in every possible way to block a signal with both hands and it didn't drop a single bar

  • Dgomez242

    I just have 3 things to say,

    First Jobs says, they only found out about the problem 22 days ago., Then a minute later he says the designed the phone with this black plastic line in it to show you where not to hold it to avoid the problem? Doesnt this mean they knew about it while designing it? What a contradiction!

    Second, The way to get any signal drop from the Blackberry or eris or omnia he had to hold the phone by almost wrapping his hand over the entire phone. I've never seen anyone hold a phone in this manner, Where the IP4 that I tried was very easy to do holding it like anyone would.

    Third, Did he really compare the IP4 to a Droid eris and Omnia? No offense to the Eris owners, but it is not the flagship high end phone like the Droids or Samsung! Is he in admitting, that the IP4 should be considered similar to an Eris, and not up to par with high end Android handsets?

    Wow finger pointing, and smoke and mirrors. Jobs contradicts himself, and comes off smug doing it.

  • sindeslroyer

    soooo since everybody here wants apple to crash and burn i know a possible way to do it. if anybody here knows how to hack and create viruses you could actually make a deadly trojan that attaches itself to a website (do google.com because everyone goes there, even steve jobs ;D) then make it where it also only attack devices using the safari web browser. this will attack (and then destroy due to lack of proper security systems) almost every single apple device that uses the internet. with that many of their products destroyed and at risk apple and steve jobs would be forced into the true beginning of their downfall. anyone agree? (yes i know it would be a very hard thing to do and an even harder thing to do without getting caught but as far as i can tell itd work pretty effectively)

    • neutralobserver

      idiot

      • Anonymous

        Id appreciate it if you tell me how so. I never said I was going to do it and I never said that it’d be the best idea for somebody else to do. It would have a negative effect on apple though, which I believe was what I said. So please tell me how I’m and idiot.

  • I have a Droid Eris and it never disconnects calls. I also have a iphone4 for work and can barley use the phone part since it always disconnects on me, so I use it as a mini computer only

  • Nick

    My iPhone 4 doesn't drop signal unless I hold it extremely tight. I normally don't hold my phone tight, ever. The media is making such a big deal out of this little problem. I'll admit that I do drop calls, sometimes, on my iPhone but it is a damn good phone. Apple screwed up, not because of the iPhone 4, but how they addressed the so called “antenna problem” yesterday by comparing the issue to other phones and by blaming a mistake they made in math equation just dug the hole deeper. In conclusion, the iPhone 4 does have some problems but the majority of the people who own an iPhone seem to be satisfied because the return rate isn't high at all (1.7%) and iPhone 4 did sell 3 million units within 3 weeks. The iPhone 4 is a great phone and the media is just making a big deal out of a small problem.

  • JeffL0320

    LOL, I like how all of the tests they did were with phones at least a year old. I just tried holding my DI in every possible way to block a signal with both hands and it didn't drop a single bar

  • DanTheMan

    Went with the Droid Eris back in December because of I am not a fan of the keyboard. I am still a huge Droid Life fan and a huge supporter of the Android platform! I was tempted to purchase a Droid X; however, I decided to hold off to wait for the Gingerbread phones some time within the next 6 months… However, I am not a fan of the iPhone, mostly because of its stubborn supporters and even more stubborn upper management.

    So I saw this article and started to do some testing of my own on my Droid Eris. No matter which way I held it… EVEN WITH MY HANDS COVERING THE ENTIRE METAL BAR… I still had the same signal… I love my Droid Eris and it feels good to say that my phone (a weaker android phone) can beat the hell out of a phone put out 6 months later (in a quickly changing technological environment)… Glad I have a phone that works and I can put what ever I want on it.

    HTC Droid Eris: Rooted Froyo (2.2)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ok so I've been anti apple since the 80s publishing lab I took in school. But they have me in one area and I would love to find a way to get rid of it entirely. I Tunes. I use tunesync to move music to my phone. My first mp3 player would connect to my WMP and sync and simultaneously convert the tracks it was syncing to mp3 from WMA Lossless. I miss that. If anyone can recommend a no bs I tunes substitute I would sure be willing to give it a go. I have been unimpressed with WinAmp, MonkeyMedia, and whatever the one from Firefox is called. Cheers.

    • Chris Nimon

      I dumped itunes long ago. Lately ive been using Jetaudio(cowon media player). similar to itunes, can make the screen black with white lettering, syncs really easily, and plays pretty much every media type out there.

      • thanks, I'll check that one out.

      • Vanhicksjr

        I use Media Monkey to sync my music. It makes folder and everything.

  • Man apple really pissed me off today. The only thing I'll ever buy from them is an Ipod unless some sick android music player comes out…. what a freakin awesome idea

  • AndroidFantic

    Okay first of all if this was true the same thing would happen with the Palm pre and the hero but the Droid eris naturally has a bad signal because i can have one bar one my eris and then my mom has all bars but when i do a 3g comparision loading this page the eris loads 2 seconds faster and this is with flash… So it maybe that the indicator is off

  • Wolfvillan

    <object width=”1280″ height=”745″><param name=”movie” value=”http://www.youtube.com/v/7zhHwim6cV8&hl=en_US&fs=1?hd=1″></param><param name=”allowFullScreen” value=”true”></param><param name=”allowscriptaccess” value=”always”></param><embed src=”http://www.youtube.com/v/7zhHwim6cV8&hl=en_US&fs=1?hd=1″ type=”application/x-shockwave-flash” allowscriptaccess=”always” allowfullscreen=”true” width=”1280″ height=”745″></embed></object> lol i agree with Tim-o-tato lol please watch this video i hate apple products! long live droid !!!!! and there wonderful software and phones like the “X”

  • My droid incredible will knock an iphone right on its ass!!!!!!!!LoL

  • DanM

    You guys who are just holding your phone and looking at your bars are idiots.

    Open up the settings and get a base line signal. Then pick up and grip the phone. You need to wait a good 20 seconds because the phones are programmed with a slow hysteresis and will not change the displayed signal immediately.

    I have a Moto Droid…

    My signal went from -74dBm to -94dBm. -20 dBm is a signal attenuation ratio of 100x, or 10,000%

    I've noticed a signal drop on any Droid phone I've picked up. No the bars don't drop, but thats because of the built in algorithm that calculates the number of bars to use, not the fact that they are impervious to interference…

    • Michael_NM

      Interesting… I tried this with my Droid and went from -84/85 dBm down to -80/81 dBm. To accomplish this much attenuation, I had to wrap both of my hands around the phone. You must have some very thick hands. BTW, thanks for letting us know what you think of us in the first sentence of your first post. 🙂

      • DanM

        Yes, but jesus this place is full of fanboys. Its no better than a pro Apple forum.

        True Steve used the bars to fight fire with fire. You also have to keep in mind his press conferences are meant to be viewed by the general public. Give the general public logarithmic scales and they just tune out. Most people understand bars, but its not the whole story. Bars are not a scientifically uniform standard.

        I gave it the ole death grip that people have used on their phones. Did you try holding it for a while? My phone took a good 20-30 seconds before it stopped changing. I don't have think hands, but the are large.

        I just repeated the test in another room of my house using my left hand and went from -86dBm to -99dBm. The 13dBm loss is a 2000% signal loss 🙂

        BTW even with these massive signal drops, I'm still able to make calls. My brother experiences signal weakening on his iPhone 4 but it doesn't drop calls either.

        • Michael_NM

          Okay, I was able get a 14 dBm difference by standing line-of-sight to my cell tower, holding the phone with both hands and standing in the path. It would be interesting to see the algorithms used to calculate signal strength. Ultimately, what's important is that you're able to make a call while holding the phone in your hands (left or right). Jobs offering free bumpers for all suggests that there may, in fact, be more to the story. I'm happy to hear your bother hasn't had any problems.

          As for the Droid enthusiasm here, what else would you expect from a place call Droid Life? I'll admit I have an irrational, emotional attachment to my Droid. I also have a sour taste in my mouth from some rotten apples in the past. Combine the two, and hell yeah I'm a Droid fanboy!

          • DanM

            Haha, I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who actually is willing to admit that the Droid does suffer from some degree of signal attenuation. And I do apologize for calling people idiots. They say the only respectable fanboy are the ones that admit their status as a fanboy 🙂

          • Anonymous

            Cheers Dan and thanks for the apology. 🙂

        • If you find a fair and balance site for either phone let me know because I don't think it's out there. Also, how would I or any other noob know to look for that. All we have is whats presented around us. If Kellex or other site leaders around here knew about it and mentioned it I would give it a shot and or check it out but to call us idiots thats not fair. I think there is a good majority that come here because we are not tech savvy. This is a site nay a community of droid followers and its my favorite ONLINE community around more so then any other online site/forum I visit. Do you know why? Everyone is passionate about android and are very helpful, if they can help. However, if the answers to questions we did or did not ask are “you guys are idiots” then would I or say even you want to come around anymore? Do not ruin my favorite site please.

    • When looking at phones, the RF (Radio Frequency) performance is always the most important. Nokia (originally Nokia-Mobira) that originally made toilet tissue actually has the best RF performance of all phones as when they were popular, they had the internal antennas while Motorola had external antennas and only recently did they use internal antennas as the E815 still had a external antenna. In any case, the dB (decibels) is what really matters as the bars can be calibrated by each manufacturer or even different models of phones from the same manufacturer to look better. each 3dB is basically 100% difference in signal strength so I was wondering how you managed to come up with 10,000% when -94dBm is 633% less signal than -74dBm.

      • Michael_NM

        Almighty. At the risk of beating a dead horse, DanM's calculations appear to be correct. While a 3 dBm difference is about 2X (or a 100% difference), it's not a linear relationship. So, DanM's difference of 20 dBm cannot simply be thought of as 6.67 (or 6.33 as you suggested) changes of 100%. If you took my difference of 14 dBm, and used your method, you'd come up with 433% difference, but the actual difference is 2512%. DanM's 10,000% difference does sound crazy, but it's correct. You can have a look here for the formulas: http://bit.ly/9VwXNY

        • Actually, I did mean 6.67 and not 6.33 which would have been a 19 dBm difference. So how exactly is the difference calculated? Something new to learn everyday. My DROID jumps to 1x in my house throughout different periods of the day depending if there is fog outside or not. And ofcourse even with my Motorola E815, there have been times where it shows 100% bars and I press the send and it says connecting but doesn't do the timer when it actually does so and this is in downtown San Francisco so the fix around that is to basically power off and power on the phone. I think even the DROID requires holding the phone a certain way because if you place your finger over the second microphone, then outgoing voice will sound weird on the other end. Motorola was 2nd best in RF performance and the worst is Sony-Ericsson as they too were good in the GUI but sucky in RF performance. And Apple ofcourse is more in the OS or the looks as they aren't exactly a company known for producing radios or cellphones to have the experience or expertise.

          • Anonymous

            Interesting points about companies with RF experience. Moto certainly does have history of making great radios. Not only that, they developed the six sigma quality craze… but I digress. Here’s a link that includes a calculator for figuring power loss factors for dB: http://bit.ly/beCAmH

            Page down a bit, and use the “Level change Δ LI (energy quantity)” field to enter your dBm loss and in the field to the right you’ll see the factor by which power has changed. The context of this site is acoustics, but the mathematics (formulas are included on the site if you’re interested) are the same. I hope this helps.

            Wow, my 300th comment. When I first “checked-in” here months ago, I would have never imagined I’d return so often. I’m loving living the Droid-Life! 🙂

          • Motorola does have excellent RF experience and build quality, when they actually made their own phones as all the Motorola phones now are made by some contract manufacturer for Motorola, wonder who is the OEM for the DROID. Motorola used to make memory too at one point in time.

            Before, if you purchase a Motorola that wasn't sold in the U.S., they were made in Singapore by Flextronics which is better than the China made Motorola's. There were also some made in Ireland, not sure who made those. When Motorola made phones, they were known for durability since it can handle big physical drops in addition to RF performance. Thanks for the site since it really helps.

    • lakerzz

      Eeehhh…hello?? You can actually SEE the bars go down on the I*hone 4, and on the phones in “Igod Jobbs's” presentation. There was no need to go into the settings to see loss of signal. “Idiots”??? A little harsh there, don't you think?? (Anyways, there's a difference between being an idiot, and being ignorant)

    • applesr4eating

      That is exactly what they did at the Crapple press conference.

  • I Saw The Video Of “Jobs” Man That Guy Needs Some Real Help, “We're Gonna Give You A Free Case” Hell Verizon Says “Here Ya Go” When Buying A Phone And Hey What Do Ya Know It Works Geez Steve-o Maybe You Should Look For A New Career Cuz You REALLY Suck At This One

    • Hmm… I Wonder If Good Old Steve-o Is Related To George Bush… Kinda Have The Same Nervousness And Not Sure What To Say…

  • ajavgeek

    The signal loss is because the human comes in contact with metal part (antena) directly. I can see that happening but in case of Eris there is plastic cover on top it, how can body make contact with the metal in that case?

    Hmm, experts please advise…..

  • Hey Jobs I just tried this on my Droid and it only went down 1 bar. I think the problem is that you are holding the other phones like a a jail mate in the shower holding a bar of soap. People don't grab their phones by palming it like a rock.

  • legoturtle92

    I found three sure fire ways of losing signal on my droid.
    1. Take the Pathtrain from NJ to NY. (It goes underwater)
    2. Activate Airplane Mode
    and last but not least. The most effective way to reduce signal on my Droid.
    3. Turn off the phone or remove the battery.

    What the i*one doesnt (always have singal depending on how you hold it)
    The Droid Does!!!

    • Haha good one.

      (Posted from my Droid X)

  • Jstrege34

    Ok here is my thought on this. If Apple wants to start calling all smartphones have weakness then why in the hell did they even attempt to make one in the first place? They are no better than the next manufacture. Next, I am an apple user and have been for many years. When the ipoo aka iphone came out i was like this is sweet, but after watching, listening, and reading up on the ipoo i was like no way in hell do i even want one. Ever since i bought the Droid 1 i have never once even seconded guessed my purchased of the Droid. After watching there attempt to cover up the problem and after the comment steve made about “just hold a different way” to make it work better, I told my self i hope that apple burns to the ground. They think that they are the God or Big Brother trying to make everything so damn perfect. I am so sick of apple and there crap and want you to think that if you dont buy there products you will fail. When they start to suck on there computer line which in a way they have been since not supporting flash (bastards) I will also join on the band wagon and boycott apple. Also to comment on someone else statement, If they knew the problem was there they should have fixed it before selling it to the world. All i can say is the only reason y i think they got attacked in the first place was because of the fact they they are known to come out with some pretty cool stuff and what not, but to know there was a problem and u didn't fix it until now is really stupid and sad. Your known to have the best you say and now u have got a big problem and just now going to fix it? What next a car that dont have doors? Apple needs to grow up and stop acting like a baby and be an adult and learn to get used to it. Your not God nor will you be.

    • Lame Phone, Doesn't Work, And Behind The Curve Before Released, End Of Story.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bcryQUuDwM
    Check out this video its funny!!!

  • digitalicecream

    Next Droid Commercial: “Apple want's to compare the signal of their flagship device to the signal of our flagship device.” (pan to Iphone user holding their iphone with their three pronged finger-approach) “Ok, we're game. We invite you to come to our corporate stores and hold the Droid's in any way you see fit to place a call. We guarantee that we won't have to sell you a “band-aid” or feed you excuses about our engineers not understanding how to calculate a formula to show you signal strength.” (pan to the Verizon “Can you hear me now?” guy with the network behind him, all holding Droid's with a serious look) Announcer says: “How you like them Apples”… DRRRROOOOOOIIIIDD..

    • Papa Droid

      LMAO!!!!! That wold b an AWSOME commerical….lol

    • Svfant05

      that would be a badass commercial.

    • Epell

      Definitely approved. Send it to verizon.

      • Anonymous

        sent!

    • Chris Nimon

      you should definitely get some guys together and youtube that. I bet that would go viral in no time.

      • Anonymous

        Thanks, I’ve got a buddy of mine that’s in the McDono’s… i’ll reach out and inquire…

    • Reeb99

      That would be the best advertising ever. Seriously, are you reading this verizon? Make it so.

    • Anonymous

      Submitted to Verizon. Seriously to have Lance Henriksen read that commercial would be a pretty sweet thing for me.

    • Jared Krinsky

      Thanks for the props. We are definitely working together on getting this out there. We worked way to hard on the scavenger hunt. I think that this combined with all the over analyzation we did we could come up with something epic!.

    • kkj

      The one after that: (my invention)
      Blackberry texting and emailing next to a Droid doing the same. Next scene: iPhone downloading apps and listening to music, Droid doing the same. Continue with other examples. Killer end: Everyone does their thing. Droid does everyone's thing. DROID DOES. (proceed with pricing, BOGO offers, whatever)

  • CompCrash

    I found a great app for that. It replicates the i*hone 4 problems. It really funny. Its great when one of your friends tries to show off his new i*hone 4 then you pull out your droid and show them you can do the same thing.

    http://www.cyrket.com/p/android/com.wmbest.ipho

  • can someone call steve jobs and tell him to put his helmet back on and stop eating crayons

    • MicroNix

      You would only get to the word “put” and then his iPhone 4 would drop the call…

  • StephanC
    • Low023

      LOL

  • TomServo

    Apple did a great job of riding the fence between being completely lame and actually admitting they have a design flaw. Of course were there no design flaw….would there be a need for a press conference and there would be no need for a case…..hmmmm. Fail. None of the other “problematic” phones required cases or to my knowledge instituted lawsuits. And people are not afraid of suing blackberry as I recall. Iphone 4 is supposed to be “like no other phone” but now they want to compare it to everything else. Fail. Apple does have some great great products, laptops, ipods, ipads, leopard in general is incredible, but just admit it apple and stop trying to blame some signalling algorithm. Now they have gone and lost a lot of respect in my opinion. And its pretty obvious if you've been watching and listening to stevie's responses and mannerisms at all, he really is a deliberate @SS with no mutual respect for anyone. Its too bad i had a lot of respect for apple.

    • digitalicecream

      Great points. I wish they'd figure out that “more bars in more places” are also because we “miscalculated” the bars we have been showing you… that should be coming out next and exploited by V.

  • I just watched Jobs talk about the fix for the iphone and man first of all Jobs looks like someone just told him his dog was dead. Also did anyone else catch that in this new iphone update 4.0.1 they said something about it changes how many bars show up for a given signal strength, so what you can now drop a call will having full bars? I know it probably wont be that drastic but still. That whole video rubs me the wrong way. I used to always want an iphone but now after seeing the droid side and how apple has handled this whole thing I dont think I will ever be an iphone owner ever.

    • digitalicecream

      We'll see if Verizon releases Iphone in January now… Plus what will this do to all of ATT's commercials about coverage and signal strength? bwahahhaa

  • Rfeekes

    Not once have I had any problem with the antenna. In this forum there is a video showing reception loss so i did my own test. I covered the phone with one hand than with two hands. I tried everything to see if I would lose reception. I lost one bar. I don't have a youtube account to upload a video but take my word, either that video is fake or he has one out of a million that is bad. Steve Jobs is just fishing.

  • Guest

    Antenna at the top deposits too much microwave radiation into your head. New government recommendations are for antennae at the bottom, away from your brain.

  • Antioch 925, California

    Apple always hating on Android

  • guz_1115

    Too funny just saw on crackberry.com, there running the same type of thread and no one seems to be able to lose there bars either!!

  • guz_1115

    I held my droid in the deathgrip and gained a bar. Jobs is a moron and needs to buy a new shirt!!!!

  • Hah – a new type of “Can you hear me now?” commercials.

    • Michael_NM

      You rock!!!

  • brandonmee

    I like how he tries to reamin prestige in the fact he still offers the refund…if within thirty days. Yet it has been out that long before the offer for the free case…and it will take another two weeks to get it. Way to fall for the lies fanboys.

  • Patem10

    Off topic real quick with a technical challenge….

    I am a Land Surveyor and we have a Topcon GRS1 GPS unit that has an internal AT&T modem that it uses to connect to reference stations near it. As we all know, AT&T's service is about as good as a hot fart for actually doing anything with, so I called up our technical support guy to ask about switching to Verizon. He said the only way to use Verizon would be to use something like a Mifi device. I figure that my Droid should be able to do the same thing since I tether it to my laptop all the time (USB only I've never tried bluetooth). We went through the connecting process to tether through bluetooth, but no good.

    I think that the problem is that I don't have anything downloaded on the GRS1 like PDAnet or whatever. (The GRS1 is windows mobile based.)

    I know there was a post the other day about Barnacle and the iPad, but I'm not rooted.

    Has anyone ever connected their Droid to a windows mobile device either via Bluetooth or usb? Basically, all I need it to do is provide me with an internet connection on the GRS1.

  • bontarest

    My Droid Eris (which my brother now has) does this and I still want a iPhone 4 even though I just got a Droid X yesterday. Just waiting for Verizon to get it and have a another upgrade ready and waiting for me in January.

    My argument is who would want a 1980's Ford Fiesta (Android OS) vs a Lamborghini Murcielago (iOS 4.1).

    • ajavgeek

      I can understand you want iPhone that bad but I do not get your comparison here, please explain.

      • No explanation, he's just a dumb ass with nothing intelligent or helpful to say.

    • Droidzilla

      I'm not getting that comparison, either. I personally think the Android OS is leaps and bounds ahead of iOS4, unless you're just comparing Apple's OS to your app drawer. Seriously; iOS4 looks like a late '90s Blackberry interface.

    • Tyler

      wait, you mean iOS4 adding a bunch of features that have been in place since Android 1.5?

    • Tom

      Wow… JUST WOW! I can't believe I just read that reference. I'm in shock. You are comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended). A f***ing S*** 1980's American Ford to a premier Italian supercar. WOW.

      You know what? I can do that too, and I can do you one better, if we are making obscenely bad comparisons with cars….

      Why would I go from a Bugatti Veyron (Android OS 2.2) to a Zastava Koral (Also known as the Yugo) (iOS 4.0.1)? (Oh yeah… IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE A POINT AT LEAST GET THE COMPARISON RIGHT! THERE IS NO iOS 4.1! There is Android 2.2 and iOS 4.0.1)

      See? I can do it too! Does that make it a valid comparison? Not even on a cold day in hell my friend. Do I like the iPhone 4? Not a chance in the world… Would I make such a brazenly bad comparison because of that? Read the previous answer.

      NOW! If I say… wanted to make a VALID comparison I'd have to say… The iOS 4.0.1 is a Lamborghini Murcielago (since you so like Lambo) and the Android OS 2.2 is a Porshe Carrera GT.

      Reasoning… The Android OS and the iOS are arguable the supercars of the Smart phone world. Now the two cars that have been chosen are about the same price and have many of the same features. But here is the sad fact, not everyone likes Porsche, and not everyone likes Lambo. Everyone can agree that they are both fantastic cars, but some would buy one over the other either for frivolous reasons. JUST LIKE HERE! I am apart of that too… I hate iPhone, and iPod, in fact other than their computers, I think Apple sucks. So I went for the other giant, Android.

      • Both are UN*X like OSes except if you look at it…

        Android = Linux which is just a kernel as the userland is packaged by more variants than there are flavors of ice cream and not a true Unix OS as it was written in Minix by Linus Torvalds.

        iOS = OSX which is based on the Mach kernel along with FreeBSD (Berkeley Standard Distribution), one of two standards of Unix and BSD is where all TCP/IP Networking came from and then Aqua is added on top for the GUI.

        In the real world, FreeBSD is actually a rock solid OS that is more stable than Linux. And there are some people who run FreeBSD on the Motorola DROID instead of the Android OS.

        Google runs Linux, Yahoo! runs FreeBSD, Microsoft's Hotmail runs FreeBSD with Windows 2003 Server on the external side.

        • Tom

          Thank you for taking such a profound stance on a topic that nerds the world over have been arguing about since BSD and Linux were both created… Which is better, Linux or BSD. Me? I don't care, not my flavor of nerdiness, though it used to. I used to be in that whole debate, until I got bored and realized the world of programming and computers is too tedious for me to handle. I need something tangible, which programming is not. So I went into science forgetting most of what I learned on my FreeBSD and Linux distros adventure years back.

          Here is what I can remember. Both are fantastic OSes, and you can do a lot with either one. One is licensed, the other is GPL. It is no surprise that Apple would choose the one that is able to be licensed and Google choose the one that is GPL.

          I'm not going to argue which base is better, Linux or BSD, because I honestly don't know. Quite frankly, I don't even care. In the end, all that matters is what works. Does Android work? Yes. Better than iOS? A matter of opinion. JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE! I chose Linux in the end, but went back to Windows due to programs I needed for my endeavor in life that don't exist on other Operating Systems like Linux or BSD.

          If you want to argue about BSD and Linux, I suggest you take it somewhere else. I doubt many people even know the difference between the two, or what you are talking about. However they do know about iOS 4 and Android 2.2, which a part of this whole debate. If you want to argue that the base system of the iOS is superior, go right ahead, but it means next to nothing if Apple does nothing with the power they got from the system archetype they chose.

          • Actually, BSD has existed since 1979, the same time that AT&T Bell Labs had Unix. Linux didn't exist until the late 1980's and as a desktop, I'm sure Linux is better due to it supporting all kinds of hardware but as I am both a Astrophysicist and also run and own a ISP, FreeBSD is more stable and handles higher loads better but that's only talking about a full blown server and not mobile.

            Apple didn't choose the one that can be licensed since if you look at Apple's history, Steve Jobs was basically gotten rid of in 1989 so he started NeXT Computing which was a MachTen/BSD based computer and then in 1995 or so, Apple bought NeXT which is how Steve Jobs became the CEO of Apple again, while he also was CEO of Pixar Animation. Ofcourse when you look even at OSX, FreeBSD is only the foundation which is what makes it stable, it's the GUI and other things Apple adds on top that can either be a winner or a loser. Same issue with iOS as iOS is basically a miniturized OSX so depending on how well they get the features down or if it's more for looks, then that's another issue altogether since for one thing, Apple is good in the OS and hardware area but mobile phones is still something they don't have any experience in as far as RF performance goes since they are just like another Sony-Ericsson which had a good GUI but they couldn't make calls in places where Nokia and Motorola could which is really where the problem lies and ofcourse the network too as AT&T's network even before 3G couldn't do data, Cingular's could. As far as Android 2.2, I'm sure it's faster than iOS because Android has been more about speed, otherwise we wouldn't be testing with Quadrant all day long. 😉 But even with Android, Google didn't choose the one that is GPL as what Google did was buy a company named Android in 2005 which basically was doing a scaled down version of Linux so technically Android is Linux but it's own OS just like OSX/iOS might have derived from FreeBSD but it's considered a OS on it's own. And just like you, my desktop runs Windows because of the applications available as the other OSes are good except there is no software library for it.

  • I Have A Motorola Droid 1 And I Tried EVERYTHING And I Found 1 Thing To Lose Service… I Turned It Off =)

    • kkj

      Airplane mode works too 😀

      • Yea I Found That Too, Oh And Bristol Hospital In Connecticut, I Had No Service…

  • In my opinion, the only thing that is good about apple is their computers.

  • 1bad69z28

    I bet you Job's and his staff tried evry single Android phone to lose signal unitl they came up with the Eris LOL You know they had to test it before he walked out to a “SELECTED” or “Hand Picked”mine you, bunch of reporters.

  • Collin

    I don't have a video camera, but I tried this. No matter how I hold my Droid, I can't get the service to drop even one bar (I guess the antenna is somewhere near the top). Even if it is possible to recreate Apple's findings, they are just jealous that they couldn't design their product correctly.

  • SB0b

    I uploaded it to youtube, quality will improve when youtube is finished:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3ew4cOffsE

    • That's Apple's video

      • SB0b

        Yeahh, for comparison 😀

        Apple sucks hard.

  • nkhex19

    My questions are they didn't catch this issue before they released the i*hone 4? Did they think no one would notice this design flaw? Its not like its some minor issue to brush aside. But people still claim it as the greatest phone. I enjoy knowing I can hold my Droid anyway I want without having to purchase or be given a product to make my phone function like it should.

    • Tyler

      who makes calls with i*hones?

  • eddieonofre

    I see that the talk about the call dropping signal right… but mostly I see videos where the 3g (internet connection) dorps… I'm not sure so I will ask first.. does the call connection is related to the internet connection??
    I ask coz in my droid I can have very low phone signal, but still got a fast internet connection or viceversa I can go to 1X in internet connection but still have 5 bars on phone signal

  • 1bad69z28

    What's up guys, back from a meeting and I just logged back in and saw this new post of how Steve Jobs had to take an older Android phone to prove a point LMAO!!!!! CEO matrial he is NOT!!!!!! That is plain desperate and trying to take a stab at Android, That's so pathertic, stay on your own phone Jobs and stop trying to shift away the HEAT he is taking from his investors ha ha

    • JT

      I heard he keeps those other phones readily accessible in case he needs to make an important phone or drops a call with his most recent at&t phone.

    • kkj

      Yeah, our lowest-end phone from 8 months ago can be forced, under extreme circumstances, to have a more benign version of the massive problem that your highest-end, brand-new phone develops under normal use. It can also watch porn. Good job.

  • SB0b

    I will upload the vid on youtube in 5 minutes

  • Reeb99

    I could reproduce signal loss on my old samsung, but that was also a 3 year old second generation Alltel flip-phone on Verizon's network. They messed up and now they are grasping at straws trying not to alienate cult members.

  • eddieonofre

    hey what is that my comment was sent for approval?? why?? what did I do?? someone can explain why?? it is coz it was kind of long???

    • you probably hve the comments sorted by most popular and not newest

      • eddieonofre

        nope, I got a message saying that my comment was sent to moderation…

        • Chris Nimon

          who was it from? i got one once but it was from disqus, not Droid-Life

  • Tom

    AH-HA! I FINALLY DID IT WITH THE DROID!

    After holding the phone in every different way I finally tried one last way of holding it! I held it so that I covered 90% of the phone…

    Oh there was ONE special thing I had to do to replicate it… Coat my hands in Aluminum Foil…. BUT I DID IT!

    SO! If you want to see signal loss on your Motorola Droid you need to either A) Cover your phone in Aluminum foil (the bottom half for a noticable drop, the entire thing for the full effect) or B) Cover your hands in Aluminum Foil then hold your phone covering the bottom or the entire phone for the full effect.

    SO! STEVE JOBS WAS RIGHT!! …. So long as your name is Bender….

    • Bite my shiny, metal ass!

      • Chris Nimon

        holy crap, i love Bender 🙂

  • Apples response to the attena issue

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQxV78l_eY

  • I can use my Droid inside the Faraday cage I built to keep the NSA from reading my thoughts while I sleep.

  • stevesux

    Steve Jobs is just pathetic!!Instead of focusing on the iphones own problems he deflects everything and trys to make his competition look just as bad.I guess he must feel really threatened by the Droids!!!!

  • net_enginerd

    Here's a link to the videos.

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/apple-posts-

  • Stephen D

    I tried to get my Droid to drop signal, but I kept 5 bars no matter where or how I held it. Apple is so full of themselves.

  • Paradise

    So I just borrowed my sister's Eris and held it exactly like the guy in the video and the bars didn't change one bit. They started at 2 and stayed there the whole time. I had my Droid sitting right next to it on my desk and it was at 2 as well. Nice try Stevie!

  • saimin

    What Steve meant to say is “all phones on AT&T”. Comparing the Droid Eris on Verizon to anything on AT&T is unfair.

    • eddieonofre

      good one!!

  • here is the original video:
    http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/100716iab
    and the apple tutorial on antenna reception:
    http://www.apple.com/antenna/
    I don't have quicktime (stupid apple product) on my comp, so i'll never get to see the video

  • John

    Seriously, he would pick out one of the android devices that barely anyone else uses…

  • nkhex19

    I like how the brand new “supposedly” latest and greatest technological smartphone (i*hone 4) was compared to the Droid Eris for signal reception. Why didn't they choose one of the Droid big dogs? Guess they don't pick on devices their own size. Lol.

    • ajavgeek

      All they are saying is Droid Eris = i*hone4 as they do not have heavy wight entry for D1 or DI or DX

      • eddieonofre

        shame on steve taking and old guy to compare to his new improved and modern phone… and guess what… the Eris problem is coz the anthena is small… so cover it and it just dies.. but stve jobs teh antena is huge goes around ur phone so no way u can cover it all… teh problem is that u can bridge two antenas that are not mean to be bridge period

      • kkj

        That's still kind of mean. I had an Eris, and it was much better than the i*hone 4.

  • ajavgeek

    If all the phones shown on apple website has the same issue, it does not make i*hone's issue go away. You cant say that since everybody is bad I will be bad too. You got to be better than your competition, not point out flaws in them to hide yours…..

    Very sad response from good competition……

  • RealGame22

    Apple taking out there troubles on other devices…..What a Shame!! ~_~

  • Lol

    you retards make apple fanboys look like nihilists

    • t0ni

      Hahahaa, I totally agree. Looks ridic. I've never seen so many 'likes' given in one thread.

    • Why would you come to a DROID specific site and troll? This ain't engadget. What did you expect?

  • amy

    I hate Apple.

  • SFC Airborne51
  • eddieonofre

    Why didn't he picked the Droid?? or the Droid Incredible fo his example???
    ohh coz they are modern phones and have found way to resolve that problem so the user doesn't suffers it

  • Tuna

    Anyone know why I can't change the handcent LED color on my new Droid X, it's just grayed out.

    thanks

    • Email the handcent dev and let him know…not all apps will work perfectly on all phones…especially new phones. Usually once the dev knows there is a bug, they will fix.

    • Reeb99

      Just use the free app called blink, it worked on my DX.

  • Usdibebnan

    What I don't understand is how can they come to that conclusion using their own scientists and engineers. No matter what it's going to biased.

    I'd like Consumer Reports to do that test and report if those stats are correct.

    • Loooney2ns

      They already did and said they couldn't recommend it. Even Consumer Reports knows the IP4 sucks!

  • i hope it feels real good, because it makes me want to close this article. But that would be punishing kellex (and myself since i wouldn't get to read the article), which isn't right haha

    Is there a video of apple's eris demo? because that sounds pretty funny!

  • picaso86

    Apple is annoying! why put down other phones? just admitted Steve – i*phone 4 SUCKS!

  • Michael_NM

    I just wrapped my Droid with aluminum foil, held it with both hands and there's no signal attenuation (at least not enough to change the signal strength meter). I don't have DV camera, but I think it would be pretty funny to see.

  • kulz

    signal loss? on verizon? yea right…unless im 50ft underground on the subway of course!

  • eddieonofre

    Where is that video!!!!!!

  • This begins my serious boycott of all things Apple. Who is with me?

    • kulz

      sign me up…i haven't picked up my ipod touch since i got the droid last year…my gf is pissed cuz i broke mine and she bought it for me as a replacement….

      apple's pr dept has to be insane…honesty = good business practice…

    • I am convinced Apple is Big Brother from 1984. So much for that commercial they released years ago.

    • Michael_NM

      I'm in. I'm also boycotting turtle-necks. 😛

      • geleenjavelina

        Knock, knock. Who's there? Steve Jobs…. Steve Jobs, who?

    • Triforcian

      dude I've been boycotting apple since the late 1990's so welcome to the club.

      • Oh sweet, THANKS! Is there a password or some type of wooden structure in a tree that I can be allowed into now? 😛 Thanks!

    • Reeb99

      I've been boycotting all things cr*pple since the late 80's. They've always been this close minded and arrogant, they just have great marketing.

      • applesr4eating

        Me too, in 1989 I went in to a computer store, the salesman who met me was their Apple salesman. I told him I was looking for a MSDOS computer and I didn't have a lot of time. He insisted on showing me how great the Mac's were. I listened while he droned for about 3 minutes demonstrating how great the Mac was. I walked to the front of the store and looked back, he was still talking. The other salesmen looked very annoyed because he had just lost all of them a potential sale. I opened the shop door, they had a real loud chime, and the Mac dude looked up at me and then looked back to where I had been standing. He had no clue that I had walked off!

      • Jj

        i totally agree!! the product is mediocre but their marketing is thumbs up.

    • Dude they're just stuck up arrogant pricks who think they are perfect and the best at everything they do. Apple will fall and Android will be the one to take them down. ANDROID FTW!!!!

    • Frenchtimj

      Oh c'mon… you have to admit, Apple has some pretty awesome products. Every company has their fair share of f*#@ ups including the likes of Motorola. I love all things techno and Apple has certainly set the bar high with their products, but I am also equally impressed with anything android… It is truely awesome stuff…

      • Which reference are you making towards Motorola? Did they try and cover it up?
        I'm curious. Thanks! 🙂

        • Ok Motorola hasn't tried to cover up the problems they have had. If there was ever a problem or concern with their customers they were up front about it and didnt beat around the bush and straight up lie about it

          • Papa Droid

            or try and give them a rubber case..LOL

          • not only are they up front but I've owned a few Motorola phones and i gotta say they make some pretty good phones

          • MicroNix

            I've only seen one moto phone that wasn't any good. Generally moto has unsurpassed radio electronics, hence the reason I'm using a Droid and not an HTC device.

          • kkj

            Yeah, Motorola specifically tells you NOT to use a case, bumper, or screen protector because the DROID is stronger than the case due to its Gorilla Glass and steel construction.

      • sindeslroyer

        meh…not really XD macs=overprice hunks of aluminum that cant run crap unless you fork out 5k and their media devices arent any better from any other companies. also their funs just suck. i would buy an lg before an iphone and i HATE lg (too many glitches for me)

    • dzitran

      Agree with all the comments here. Job's “apology” this morning was pathetic. His attempt to say that all phones suffer from this antenna problem was childish. Its no surprise since they like to talk sh*t about other companies (“I'm a mac and I'm a PC”). I don't even think he actually admitted to the antenna problem at all. I can go on but it'll just make me more upset. I've never owned an apple product so I'm definitely down on the boycotting.

    • Amen bro

    • digitalicecream

      I'm in.

    • Tyler

      begins? you haven't been already? I've been boycotting ANYTHING with a description that involves something beginning with a lower case i for months now UNLESS it specifically says DROID in it somewhere else. Universal holder thing that brags about being compatible with iPods/i*hones/itampons? Nope!

    • Gtavc200

      I love apple computers. Much easier to work with when recording. Many google developers develop on Macs. But I have never liked and never will buy an iPhone. I hope they don't start doing this stupid stuff with their computers.

    • Papa Droid

      I'm w/ ya tim-o. I never like the i*hone from the beginning. Down w/ the Evil Empire…. lol

    • dannydarko

      Hells yeah!!! I have been boycotting them for years now way to go!

    • The_Other_Ray

      I boycotted Apple since the days of the Apple IIe by sticking with my Commodore 64 and then to the Commodore 128.

    • sindeslroyer

      always have steered clear of their computers and when i got my droid i gave my old ipod to my friend XD

    • I hear that. I’m about to sell my Ipad.

      • How much?? I have to get one!! LOL j/k 🙂

    • pHr01d

      Not trying to out-do anybody on the boycott, but I've been solid against cr*pple since the IIc …a very long time ago. I even preferred my TRS-80 …sigh, my first hack …and I was only 15. Anyway, everything they've touched is laced in greed and I'm not going to feed it.

    • Bradsellsbulloch

      I have the Droid Eris and it doesn’t lose signal, but it does completely SUCKS as a phone. HTC needs to do the right thing and recall this piece of hot garbage. Locks up all the time, won’t place calls, it’s like a child with extreme A.D.D. It just goes off in it’s own little world, then the battery dies and it goes to sleep doing whatever it was that it was doing, which is definitely not what you wanted it to be doing.

  • EggoEspada

    I found it funny when someone asked if he can do it on his Bold for him and Jobs replied “It only works in certain areas”
    I had no idea my hardware changes depending on where I am!

  • Evil Flexo

    second!

    • Drake

      I covered my droid in tinfoil, rammed it up my ass and called it. It works!

  • Alex

    first comment!

    • Congrats! lol

      Feels good right??? 🙂

      • SFC Airborne51

        tt

      • i hope it feels real good, because it makes me want to close this article. But that would be punishing kellex (and myself since i wouldn't get to read the article), which isn't right haha

        Is there a video of apple's eris demo? because that sounds pretty funny!